My personal theory is that, there was only jourmangander from the soul put into the snakes body. And when Thor send Jourmangander back in time, he told Kratos and young Atreus about Mimir to make sure everything happened the same and to ensure ragnarock will start again.

But in 2018, he told mimir that atreus looked familiar. That could only be from when he whispered the soul into the snake.

Jormungandr: You took everything from me Thor: I don't even know who you are

yeah, no... jorgunmander is a closed loop scenario, theres is no jumping from one timeline to another, the giant's soul is angry at thor because of the slaughter of giants, soul gets put in snake, snake grows fights thor gets sent back to the past, tells loki bout ironwood to ensure loki whispers thebsoul into snake to close the loop, theres no alternate timeline here

IMO the original jormungundr timeline is the timeline kratos doesn't change and the prophecies are "true". We may see a version of atreus in a future game looking for the answers of the mask to find vengeance for his dead father. IMO what makes the timelines diverge is fayes meddling because her guidance specifically fought back against prophecy so kratos could respect and learn from his son

The intro is always the best

The 2 timelines theory is really pretty good and make sense

2:14 imagine your parents naming you "big snake"

There's only one time line. From what we know. Gia views Kratos as a pawn, so what purpose would she need to speak to dying Kratos so he can resurrect himself to go on the quest thats already been completed. When Kratos returns to the point in time Zeus killed him I believe Kratos killed himself when he pulled out the Blade of Olympus. Fast forward to the point when Kratos picks up the Titans. If you look back on the scene that Atlas is explaining the fall of Titans you can clearly see the titans are time traveling before Zeus banishes them. From Atlas point of view it looks like Zeus killed them. But Kratos only moved them from one section of the time line. Not moving them to a completely different universe or 2nd time line. Fast forward again, Kratos is seemingly living his life with his family. Not knowing that the Quest in 2018 GOW has already happened. Were just seeing it from his point of view. The events leading up to his death happened. the Giants saw it and carved it in stone. Since Kratos knows that its possible to defy fate, Atraus and Kratos get the happy ending. As for the Snake, when future Kratos and Future Atraus in 2018 have their quest. there was no Snake, when Ragnorok happens Atraus gives life to the snake then later on Thor sends it back in time. 2018 GOW characters could have been stuck in a loop that always ended with Kratos dying. But in the recent events they stopped Odin and Kratos survived. Only one time line.

I haven't played the Greek parts (yet!), but I do think it is a closed loop in the Norse parts. Just between Ironwood and War of Asgard there are two of Jörmungandr at the same time. One at the Lake of Nine from the "future", and one is somewhere growing up rapidly, who will fight Thor later and get sent back to the past, who is the young version of the one at the lake.

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Drinking game: drink every time he says timeline

هذا أقرب تفسير منطقي للحقيقة ، لقد كنت أفكر في هذا الأمر من قبل ، و ها هو ذا الفيديو في وقته المناسب ، نظرية جيدة ، استمر ، قناتك رائعة

what if in the other timeline,kratos never made it to midgard and went off somewhere else

4:13 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 oh my goodness. Are u kidding me. U can't be serious rn. This is hilarious

That was an amazing "connect the dots" docu serie

So disappointed in the way the ragnarok serpent vs thor fight was. I though we all would hit the world tree and end up in a time jump, thus using skoll N hatti to chase the sun and moon in the opposite direction.

My guy is an entire Gow Philosopher 😂

M. Night Shyamalan levels of twist here. And by twist, I mean stretch..

Hey bro your videos are goated, what music do you use in the intro?

Yo hope you’re doing good abd. Miss you man.

I see the question you're asking, it has been discussed before but using something different. It's the question of if you took a manuscript from Shakespeare and go back in time to hand it to him, and he uses it the same as normal, the questions comes down to who originally wrote it. The answer would still be Shakespeare, and the answer here is there is no other timeline, technically. For this principle of time travel to work, the travel would not cause a split it would override that history, and make whoever did it, the actually changer a paradox for the previous history

Well take in consideration that Kratos killed him self before Athena, we never got an answer of if he survived. We only saw a bloody mess headed towards an open ocean cliff. But, since there is a deep scar in the stomach area of both Kratos from both separate timelines, how about the one who was stabbed by Zeus comes walking by & simply throws his carcass into the sea & travels to Midgard. Now, this is where things get tricky. In that GOW that Kratos let’s say that he escaped hell, went back to the time chamber & is watching now. This would explain a much younger looking Kratos found at the end of Ragnorock at the end before the sobbing of Kratos. If I’m correct the younger Kratos who’s carcass was throw into the sea will return to shock & surprise everyone in the next installment. Because if he returns it will be as if he never aged because he was just finishing killing his father & returning from hell, although went back to the time chamber & just watched while his self that threw him over the cliff continued to Midgard had a kid & aged. 👍

Man i love the intro

I mean, the other Kratos can appear at any moment and say "I was looking for you" because we don't know where the destiny in his universe will go after killing his sisters of fate. Because the other Kratos witnessed him seeing himself and may have been headed for answers. I believe that Gaiya resurrected the other Kratos just like us.

what I have in mind is what happened to the Gods from the past when Kratos took the titans to his current timeline.

Wow this actually makes sense

For a moment I thought you where going to use Minkowski space-time diagrams!😅

It's been a long time if you remember me I was at the stream I did change my name for you

yooooo that actually makes a lot of sense!

1 month passed where are you eaten by sergent!?😰

What is the name of the song in the intro?

What’s the intro song?

What is the song in your intro

I have an unrelated topic; where I think GoW should go next Personally I think that Celtic mythology would be the best, since (correct me if I’m wrong here) Mimir comes from Celtic mythology in the God of War universe, and them going there would serve as a great opportunity to build upon his character

I have a question, for which I need your answer: What happened to the surtr/ragnarok beast after asgards destruction? did he die?

how long did it take bro to think of this

It is very clear original soul of Jourmangander the Giant (which in the game isn't said if it was always a snake), is put into the one snake, which does come to the fight and gets sent back in time by thor. From that it becomes the the world serpent we've all come to love, who's too tired of this noise.

Classic grandfather paradox. Divergent timelines is one theoretical explanation (like avengers endgame, back to the future). You should check out the movie predestination, if you really want a brain twister!

I think that is more a continuity error that santica monica just kinda overlooked amd your reaching hard 😅 the world serpent is very much its own closed loop. Born to loki, fights thor, gets sent back in time and grows old, crazy, and even bigger until atreus and kratos wake him back up in 2018. He is still very much in midgard when ragnarok happens. Its the serpent atreus puts the soul in that fights. Its very neat honestly.

I think the Zeus thing is just a difference in dialogue for the cut scene.

I also think that Ragnarok is not the end and that Santa Monica Studio purposely left this question hanging for the future same as the high plane of existence.

3:06 There's thing I will say here Well we all know without past There's no future So when kratos returns back in time The other kratos in the timeline 1 would see himself in timeline 2 and he would be like WTF So in here kratos (timeline 2 has changed the past Because even if your thoughts or intentions were different in the past, you will not be able to be in the future My meaning is kratos timeline 2 must disappear from existence I think you know what I'm tryna say I got all what I meant up from (Back to the future movie) Does it make sense

عندي سؤال او نضرية بلاحرى هل اذا سانتا مونكا ارادو قتل كريتوس 1 هل يمكنهم ان يستبدلوه بكريتوس 2

I am curious about the intro song

Didn’t jormangandr hate Thor inna first one too? I know Thor didn’t make a appearance in 2018s GOW but didn’t he Destroy a thor statue and mimir had dialogue on it

i’m high for this bro

crazy level of thinking 👌👌@AbdBay

It's pretty clear. Jormungandr was birthed through Atreus/Loki, grew into his giant state, fought Thor, got sent back in time to before Atreus was born, lived through all of that time, met Atreus again, which is why he looks familiar to Jormungandr, dies, yes, he dies, pretty obviously so if you ask me, but not before telling Atreus about Ironwood. That closes the loop and it starts to repeat itself over and over. Basically, Jormungandr is destined to help Kratos and Atreus, and really serves no other purpose in the games story other than that.

The 2nd Kratos(dying) escaped Hades when Kratos killed Hades . Including Deimos . Id like to see our Kratos fight himself combined Deimos and a resurrected Ares controlling them

Time travel is so confusing 😅😅

You don't need a second timeline for Jormungundr. You only needed two timelines for God of War 2 because Kratos fucked around with time Jormungundr just wanted to make sure things went as he remembered. Both snakes can be the same snake from the same timeline. There is no reason they can't be. You're overthinking it. He is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Young Jormungundr (As you can see the Jormungunder in Ragnarok isn't covered in moss and thus must be younger than the one we see throughout the game) is struck by thor and sent way back in time. Then he just sits and waits. There Is no need for a second time line because Jormungundr was always right there. He was always going to get sent back in time. What I'm getting at, is Kratos changed the future thus a new time line was created, Jormungundr was always going to get sent back in time, nothing changed. So no new timeline. Kinda like marvels "cannon" events

Yorman gander just sounds like you smashed big boss and solid snake together... Big snake

Maybe the prophecy says kratos die it could be kratos in timeline 1 or he maybe the king of olympus maybe the nexst game talks about kratos in timeline1

Im thinkin the snake has one part of Faye soul, we found out the Faye hated Thor, and the snake is who Kratos throwed the axe and it didnt come back. Plus the snake infused the weapon infused Faye weapon. I think Faye have alot to do the snake. Remember someone called the snake wen boy was sick. Faye is the owner of the Axe, Faye hated Thor... Again the axe didnt come back. Plus the snake upgraded the axe, man I think sindri blew the horn. I believe sindri mad at boy because he let Brock die and Sindri knew Faye would have protect them and punished Odin.

Rick and morty can explain this lol🤣🤣

But the thing is if jourmungander is sent back in time in ragnarok so he is gonna grow old but the old serpent is already there so the serpent is sent back in the 2018 world so if he is g9nna grow old what is going to happen to the Ragnarok serpent is he gonna die

where u at my guy

I have tos say, when we fight sisters atropos captured us and then we go back in time when kratos fought ares. But when sword breaks, the other kratos was killed by ares and we die there too. Can u explain this please?

I lost my brain

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Can't change the past even if you want to it wouldn't work believe lost time travel whatever happened happened

Wow maybe the kratos in the shrine being the allfather could be kratos in timeline 1 be he vasila ton olympus it means king of olympus in greek language iam no greek iam learning that in gow 2 music

I don't think kratos 2 will chase the sisters of fates because he saw kratos 1 attacking zeus. Gaia won't help kratos because their zeus is gone

bro's tripping

God forbid one of the atreuses get killed then we’ll have one good god one bad god I’d love to see the bad one try to take the good ones son like marvel did with the scarlet witch

Bollocks, brother, respectfully, bollocks. The GOWII stuff fits, sure, Kratos splintered reality etc. But Jörmungadr's case is perfectly straightforward. Point 1: snek arrives in Midgard. Point 2: younger snek in the future gets soul. Point 3: grown younger snek fights Thor and gets knocked back in time - arriving at point 1 and living onwards from that happily ever after or whatever it is he's up to. It's a circle. A fucking circle.

My head hurts now

One word ouroboros

My name was sorry I changed it

Sounds like you've been overthinking things

i think zeus is killing kratos 2 and as kratos 1 take back the blade of Olympus from his body kratos two 2 dies for good and gow is just one complicated timeline.

Man people sound confused as fuck. Kratos from timeline 1 did his 2018 play through in timeline 2 and timeline 2 Kratos ran through 2018 in timeline 1. Both had Atreus both did Ragnarok. Timeline 1 Thor smacks snake into timeline 2. Timeline snake get smacked into timeline 1.

logically thinking Jourmangander was born in future that didnt happen yet for Kratos and Atreus meaning there are infinite timelines and the reason why witches prophecy was accurate because they might have lost in one of timelines, furthermore this poor snake is living life infinitely another infinite loop i can think of is Kratos himself going through the same journey in gow 2, he died came back in time and there was another Kratos who was about to go through same journey, and again titans who were saved from Zeus himself by Kratos at the end of the game by time machines which proves there might be infinite timelines and countless verses that are up to imagination, for example what future could this timeline hold if Zeus didnt beat Titans because they disappeared, would this mean Kratos dies later in this timeline? you can make up whole plot with this

THEY ARE THREE TIMELINES

I still don't get how this is so hard to understand to people....

Wtf ! This doesn't even make sense let me explain Timeline 1 kratos went to timelines 2 to kill zues and brought the titans in timeline 2 there But how did the kratos of timeline 2 kill the sisters of fate while the titans of timeline 2 and kratos of timeline 1 are climbing mt olympus And even if timeline 2 kratos went to timeline 1 there wouldn't be kratos who was been killed by zues

Okay, I really don’t believe in the multi timeline theory. Essentially, the future and past co-exist. Meaning it’s the same snake Atreus revived that’s in the lake of nine. Jormangundr was sent back in time to an undisclosed date and remained there unable to travel between realms, though its birth was in the future. Idk why that’s so confusing? Maybe I’m wrong but my explanation seems concrete to me. Snake recognises Atreus because he was the one that put Jumangundrs soul in the snake, Kratos wasn’t there. Can you please debate me on this coz it seems obvious to me. We also saw 2 Kratos in one timeline

As much as I love God of War 2018 and Ragnarok, I hate how Ragnarok played out. It felt rushed unfortunately. I know they said that it was supposed to be 2 games for the Norse mythology, but it deserved a 3rd game. Way too many plot holes and unexplained events. Hopefully they will be addressed in the next installment.

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This kind of thing is the reason I can’t consider God of War my favorite franchise(tho I do love all the games and the story for the most part). I hate time travel. Now it’s not as bad as Mortal Kombat but I still don’t hate it. Now something as small as the snake being bonked back in time is fine I guess. But dealing with this multiple timeline multiverse trash I just hate it. I will never like it. It’s easier to ignore in God of War so that’s why I don’t have such a hate for it as in MK(one of my other “favorite” franchises). Lets not pretend like time travel makes sense i any story. It never will. I even stopped watching the MCU movies after Infinity War😅.

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ليش ما تسوي محتوى بالعربي؟ للجمهور العربي؟ الجمهور العربي كبير للعبة ومتعطشين للنظريات

. No.

Lmao NO.

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This is a BIGG reach. Maybe the creative directors just decided to change the lines. That doesn’t “confirm” there are two timelines. These videos are getting desperate

You lost me at timeline

7th comment. Cool.

Ngl you gow KZfaqrs are just making anything atp. 🤣

😂😂😂 tf

Nothing you say makes any sense at all youhave the worst time travel theories and calculations of any you tube video on any topic real or any intellectual property EVER stay away from time travel IT IS NOT YOUR STRENGTH 🙏

bro that intro is terrible