The UGREEN NAS - SO MUCH POTENTIAL!

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Video Chapters
00:00 - The Start
00:22 - WHY this video exists...
01:17 - Lovely Hardware
02:11 - Lovely Build Quality
03:06 - The Mobile App
03:56 - UGREEN is LEGIT
04:41 - IT'S AFFORDABLE!
05:22 - US and GERMANY...REALLY!?!
06:11 - UNRAID/TUENAS USE IS A MESS
07:13 - (UPDATE) 3RD PARTY OS' MIGHT HAPPEN
0836: - SOFTWARE IS NOT FINISHED...obviously
10:05 - PERFORMANCE IS NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE YET
11:15 - Why Crowdfunding? WHY???
13:14 - My Final Thoughts
14:14 - Kickstarter
With many newcomers stepping into the network-attached storage arena, aiming to compete with established giants like Synology and QNAP, UGREEN’s entry is one of the most confident I’ve seen to date. UGREEN, a brand that has existed for quite some time in the computer accessories arena, seems to have a head start over other brands trying to enter the private consumer cloud and entry-level business market. The NASync series, also known as the DXP series, features an unusually large number of SKUs at launch, offering seven different configurations of storage capacity, internal hardware, and external connectivity. In a somewhat unconventional move, the brand has opted to use the crowdfunding site Kickstarter to launch its new product range. Although crowdfunding for NAS solutions was once rare, by 2024, several mid to high-profile crowdfunded NAS solutions have emerged with varying degrees of success. Predominantly East Asian-based brands often utilize Kickstarter to introduce their products to a Western audience, and UGREEN is doubling down on this strategy. Today, we’re examining the DXP4800 Plus, a 4-bay prosumer solution aiming to change expectations for server value. It boasts high-demand features like a powerful Intel CPU, DDR5 memory, Gen SSD storage, 10GbE, and flexible OS usage. There’s a lot to like here, but is this brand’s first foray into NAS storage worth your investment? And should Synology and QNAP be concerned?
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@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

*Update on the use of 3rd Party OS* on UGREEN NAS with hardware, with regard to warranty*: "The Ugreen team confirms that whatever is promised in their warranty policy will not change, which only covers the hardware. They also mention that there is a risk of damage if you install a third-party OS, including data loss and compatibility issues, etc." - Ugreen Representative, 26/3/24

@timpotempa6938 3 ай бұрын

What does this mean? Can I install another OS and keep my warranty?

@jelmerkroeke1120 3 ай бұрын

Trunas proxmox unraid is also not supported by Anas of synology, so of Ugreen wil do it it Will give them a run for there money

@foobarrel9046 3 ай бұрын

Right, in other words UGREEN accepts (and will be legally obliged) to honour their hardware warranty even if the NAS had been running an alternate OS, as there is literally no way to show the latter caused any physical damage. All other verbiage is simply hot eyewash to discourage users from going a route the company considers inconvenient.

@foobarrel9046 3 ай бұрын

@@timpotempa6938 -- From the statement given I think the correct answer is YES, the hardware warranty is essentially unaffected by any OS you chose to run, though you may need to be prepared to forcefully assert your legal rights if it ever comes to the crunch.

@marklewus5468 3 ай бұрын

But based on your testing third-party OS doesn’t work, so the whole subject is moot at this point.

@wagnonforcolorado 3 ай бұрын

Probably more eloquently stated by others, but I have to say that the OG NAS companies were churning out under-powered (3 generation old CELERONS) in some expensive products. Suddenly, some new challengers are coming in with products based on much more modern and capable hardware, and the OG teams are going to have to respond in kind. It is nice to see that new NAS options will be based on something with more modern hardware, better upgrade options, and active competitors to keep them all from just resting on their laurels.

@mvp_kryptonite 3 ай бұрын

I want this to succeed so much as Synology have done nothing imo to improve on their line from the DS918+. Waiting for a better specced machine is really testing my patience and my use cases are really simple. Fast IO, fast network and run my Plex with the usual home device backups. Now I’m jumping into video editing, I might just bite the bullet and transfer media to local/external SSD for decent responsiveness. Maybe I’ll see if I can find a brew to change the SSD Cache to storage

@chronossage 3 ай бұрын

@@mvp_kryptonite It's not that hard to turn the SSD cashe into storage. I do it on my 920+ to run docker containers and the like on it so they don't keep my hard drives constantly running.

@DanielNeubauer 2 ай бұрын

All we can do is hope that Synology and Co. wake up and give us better hardware in their new products.

@a9udn9u-vanced 3 ай бұрын

Just release a SDK and let the community help, they will have more apps than Synology in no time.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't custom apps and conversions out there by the end of the week...the beta is out there being tested by enough people for that to happen

@notkyloren 3 ай бұрын

I've been a beta tester since mid February. They sent me a unit to beta test the software, specifically to report bugs and help them to develop the OS. It definitely needs more time in the oven. I agree with all of your other videos; there is definitely potential. But right now, you are essentially buying into a beta platform where a lot of the fundamentals are broken. I will say though that I also have access to the mobile app, and I think it's the best way to interact with the NAS. My main NAS is a DS920+, so my standards are quite high. I also understand that most people don't need all of Synology's bells and whistles -- that's why I want this to succeed. But right now, I cannot in good conscience suggest that people buy this unless they want to flash a 3rd party OS, or they're okay with paying to participate in a beta in exchange for a discount. Things have improved, but just barely. I don't think first-time NAS buyers should be buying this, especially (right now). Edit: And if you flash a 3rd party OS, you lose mobile app support. The mobile app is one of the best ways to interact with the NAS currently.

@frankwong9486 3 ай бұрын

Gordon Ramsay: it is still a bit raw 😅 The turkey might still not be perfect but I am considering buying the hardware and slapping a truenas/unraid on it Even windows server might be more viable than half completed new UOS thing

@JFlogerzi 3 ай бұрын

Same here. What I am most concerned is what SATA chip they are using. @@frankwong9486

@archelonprime 3 ай бұрын

Hello, I'm a fellow Synology NAS owner that appreciates your perspective! I've looking to upgrade to a bigger and better NAS, but finding out that Ugreen has beta software on their NAS (versus Synology's DSM) isn't particularly surprising. But to find that the mobile app is the best way to control/interact with Ugreen's NAS seems counter-intuitive, especially when I only plan on using it with desktop PCs and laptops.

@juicythedj750 3 ай бұрын

Nice! My main gripe right now seems to be the lack of any sort of hybrid raid system.. So I could continue using the 2 drives of my current 2-bay Synology and just add drives when needed + use various sizes

@sparkstack 3 ай бұрын

If you install your own OS you obviously care 0% about their proprietary phone app. The hardware is crying out to be used and they are locking it down to an unfinished OS with no third party support… madness.

@FiddlerOnTheRoof2024 3 ай бұрын

You are awesome man! I love the reference to Dodge Ball!!!!!! "I am SHOCKED, Cotton!" You helped me a lot to decide on a NAS. Thank you!

@KarlRock 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review. The hardware looks great, and the price is nice. I'm in the market for a new NAS this year.

@tomtinglyakatomtecnerd 3 ай бұрын

The moment i realized that i didn't put the play speed to 2x ....and you were talking so fast.... But I want to thank❤ you so much for all your Nas compares Videos!🎉 I watched so many in the last weeks (because of thinking to buy a new one) and i learned a lot and had some great AHA Moments. You explain everything very well and it's fun to watch them🎉😂 thx for all your efforts.

@simon1234567ful 3 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for the content! Pledged, and will follow reviews and worst case will cancel my pledge again. Something to consider for other peeps as well: You don't get charged until ~10th may and can cancel no questions asked before that

@TheFreestyleStorm 3 ай бұрын

Please more coverage on this. Just ordered the 8 bay nas

@neogeoking 3 ай бұрын

Thank you You have answered all my questions.

@jjsampo 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the update. I'm cancelling my early bird payment and buying Synology sd1821+.

@theTechNotice 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, great potential! I'm really got my fingers crossed they'll make it coz there's new NASes look and feel very premium, but needs slightly more love on the software side :) I'm gonna a be late with my vid, coz only shot it today :)

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

MATE! I look forward to it! Will dump the link above as discussed when it's out there

@balrog687 3 ай бұрын

Totally agree with everything, love your passion on the matter btw.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

By "passion", I think you mean "childish, impotent, British rage"...

@GoNavyAT2 3 ай бұрын

Am I the only one who appreciates John Philip Sousa Semper Fidelis cut music? No one else? Maybe because it appeals to our rebellious past😂

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

(you are going to have to forgive my vulgarity here...but..) YOU are my fucking hero! Thank you for noticing.

@GoNavyAT2 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares Dude I’m a sailor, we don’t even know what the word “vulgar” means🤣😂

@concinnus 3 ай бұрын

Then introducing the negatives (e.g. @ 5:23) there's Jonathan Pryce as Fagin from the stage musical Oliver!. What a music combo

@marksimmons7906 2 ай бұрын

As a Yank who played too much Sousa as a middle school brass player, it was a bit traumatizing to be honest! 😊

@condon4355 3 ай бұрын

I really had to laugh at how fast you were talking and I couldn't keep up :D. So thanks again for your videos. I'm still wavering between the DXP4800 Plus and the DXP480T Plus. If this really happens that you can put 3rd party software like Unraid or Truenas on it without voiding the warranty then I think it's a deal breaker for Synology and Qnap. :D

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I mean, I kinda wish you had laughed at the few jokes, but I'll take positive feedback wherever I can find it! Cheers

@condon4355 3 ай бұрын

@@nascomparesI think you took it the wrong way. I meant that you were talking so fast that I couldn't keep up with listening. All my posts are written in a positive way and I just love the way you always bring it across to us

@tracerVG 3 ай бұрын

Amazingn video! I was actually considering getting this but after seeing the crowfund status, your reviews and some comments here seems im not the user for this product right now.

@TwistedMe13 3 ай бұрын

12:59 I can see the purpose of doing a region limited beta (especially for concentration of tech support) considering that the software is still far more dough than cookies at this point (even though it still sucks). There's expectations that a crowdfunding product is rarely feature complete (much less has all the major kinks worked out) when it ships and thus is priced accordingly compared to when that product is launched at retail. I hope that they eventually decide on not only opening up support for third party OSes, but when these units eventually hit EOL they open source the firmware Coreboot/Libreboot style.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

THIS!!!

@frankwong9486 3 ай бұрын

Maybe an unlocked hardware only version for those users who like to DIY 😂 I use quite a lot of green cable and adapter / nvme case

@jonevansauthor 3 ай бұрын

I've never had a crowdfunding problem with something being made in and crowdfunded from the UK. I get next day deliveries from Amazon, from Germany, regularly. I genuinely don't see a reason to limit it to two countries, anywhere in Europe is basically the same as Germany for shipping. I suppose, if you want to argue Russia is in Europe, and be wrong, you could say thats hard to ship to but proper European countries aren't.

@MWONG06 3 ай бұрын

The Kickstarter campaign started 40 minutes ago has already surpassed $1M and 2,000 backers. I think Ugreen NAS will be an outstanding platform because of the community and experts like you providing the developers a ton of feedback.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I mean, thank you for the kind words, but I do hope people can remain relative here that this is an in-development product and needs to be treated as such

@MWONG06 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares True. I backed the Kickstarter campaign knowing the risks and don't recommend others get it if they aren't prepared for the growing pains as the Ugreen team continues to develop and refine the software. It'll be rough around the edges at first, but Ugreen, as well established company in other product markets, has the resources and funding to eventually develop a great product (I hope).

@cajunsands Ай бұрын

hah love the video and the change between segments

@jimholloway1785 2 ай бұрын

I listened to your whole video with the good and the bad(very well done). I would like to get this product now but I agree with you and I will wait till it goes full retail and then we will know if the hardware stays the same and if loading other OS's like TrueNas and Proxmox will work or be allowed. I am super excited about the hardware and so disappointed with Synology with the restrictions they have on HD, NVMe and memory, it looks like Ugreen has the better hardware platform which is years newer and off the shelf parts we can upgrade.

@krigabr 3 ай бұрын

The only channel that I follow for a real talk on NAS without the marketing BS

@WesPerry 3 ай бұрын

I just started syncing the drives in my uGreen. Although the software is clearly early stage, it does seem very promising, given that it doesn’t seem That far behind ADM, which has been in development for Much longer, and as you’ve said, the hardware is Ready … just the software needs a lot more work to match that hardware. Fingers crossed!

@akurenda1985 3 ай бұрын

LMAO. "5 things that f*** me right off about them", i died.

@bikerchrisukk 3 ай бұрын

Surprising start eh! 😂😂

@sunnycloudy1337 3 ай бұрын

rip, u will be missed

@inteliboyx 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for being an advocate for the 3rd party OS support . Hopefully enough push from the community will make them reconsider their stance and allow anything to be installed easily.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

We can only hope!

@GetzAI 3 ай бұрын

Great review. Thanks. I 100% with the crowd funding. Plus, it isn't available now and I need one now. Any suggestions? Using it as a LLM backup. Currently 60TB. NEED MORE lol

@reinaweis 3 ай бұрын

I really want that hardware but not to lose my warranty if I put truenas on it .. i'd probably end up turning the watchdog off in the bios, replacing the SSD with a new one to preserve the original OS, putting truenas on a new one. But I don't want to support a company that would do that either. Others have gotten truenas to work. (Not this model) Thank you as always for giving us a open honest review and opinion. I will wait to see what else comes out.

@alexclifford2485 3 ай бұрын

I want this campaign to do well, then buy one second hand in a couple of years once the software is polished off and they've depreciated a bit.

@OperationDx1 3 ай бұрын

I got a fashtor 6 and I'm really liking it.

@WilliamBurdine 3 ай бұрын

THANKS for your Review and Just FYI.... KZfaq UNSUBCRIBED me from your Channel..... AGAIN! But Thanks for the Review!!! Because I was really considering a 6bay as an upgrade to my DS920+. But you HIT the Major Parts that matter to me, the speed.... but what you didn't hit and I WANT TO KNOW.... Can I expand this device as easy as I can Synology by just placing larger drives in it?

@marcosv8426 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. You convinced me not to buy it via crowd funding. Even with the discounts it is too expensive to not be the NAS I want it to be. Not supporting third party OS is a big problem for me given my other options.

@panoshountis1516 3 ай бұрын

Excellent, excellent, excellent video! And btw, I love seagulls 😁

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

How DARE you...

@boardofdirectors3633 3 ай бұрын

@@nascomparesMaybe he was referring to Brighton Athletic Football Club (known as the "Seagulls")?

@jonevansauthor 3 ай бұрын

I was wondering what was so offensive about the BYD Seagull myself. It's just a family car.

@briccimn 3 ай бұрын

I still cannot realize how fast and hard british you speak but I still understand everything you say... Let's say I completely agree with you about the total madness about how UG started to sell this equipment.

@katemaleny Ай бұрын

I came here because I’m a photographer that needs a NAS but do not want to touch a screwdriver or learn any jargan, wish there were more plug and play NAS.

@pcfreakx 3 ай бұрын

I just bought a Terramaster F403 and I would ABSOLUTELY buy that 4bay model as an upgrade but ONLY if it supported TrueNAS Scale.

@Fan_de_Parcs 3 ай бұрын

Please ensure that the Thunderbolt standard is FULLY supported by Ugreen🙏🙏🙏🙏

@ElNeroDiablo 3 ай бұрын

Just watched aChair Leg's vid and this vid back-to-back and read the comments here; I'm impressed at how decent quality these NAS boxes are for place-n-go even if the software side of things is still cooking, especially with how expensive Synology and such are for their hardware offerings. Like; for the price of a 4-6 bay Synology NAS in AUD, I can get the 10TB HDD's to fill that and pair them with the Z77/i7-3770K rig I just got laying around waiting for a rebuild and to be brought back to life, and have a better performance than whatever low-power chip Synology uses. Sure it'd be heavier on the power bill to use the 3770K, but it'll be easier to troubleshoot and fix the problem.

@christerwiberg1 3 ай бұрын

Great that they might chase Synology to make a follow up on the DS 1522, with at least a 2.5 GBit ethernet, able to expand to 10 GBitE or more. Ugreen might be good, but I am a bit sceptical about the security and stability, so I think I will wait a bit longer to replace my ds 918. I think I would miss SHR as well. Hope for better competition in those fields.

@dobrzpe 3 ай бұрын

awesome video. you're right - they *SHOULD* have sent a more refined product to reviewers. the hardware not performing to spec as well as UGREEN's lack of 3rd party OS's being ABLE to be used is a complete show stopper for me. (i don't care about the warranty. i don't care about crowdfunding.) i understand they *MAY* allow 3rd party OS's in the future, i understand they *MAY* get the hardware preforming as advertised, but as of now, as of the product they have today... I'M OUT. too bad, seemed like a good option.

@georgeg331 2 ай бұрын

Upvoting for content quality and Monty Python audio vibes

@greggould4275 3 ай бұрын

Just saw this, and will watch other reviews. Just a question in case you may know.. I live in the US. I have a QNP Nas I LOVE and use it for work. I am looking for a surveillance system for this home I recently bought (and work out of). many standalone camera systems are great, but, interfaces are wonky, and they don't NEARLY have the processing / memory of something like a NAS. I just don't want to burden my QNAP with wired camera streams, and so I was looking for a 2-Bay NAS to basically use as a Surveillance system. Do you know if this handles ONVIF cameras I can use? Have you looked at that aspect of the software? Seems like it has great processing power to be a dedicated surveillance system ONLY (as I am looking for) - many standalone systems have bragged they can handle multiple (like 6) 4k streams, and yet, actual reviews are mixed. That's why I thought about just buying and dedicating a NAS ONLY for that purpose, and this sounds like it COULD be the one. What would you say?

@alonzosmith6189 3 ай бұрын

The hardware specs vs Synology NAS. I am going buy the UGREEN as a backup to the backup. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for your kind words Alonzo!

@joshferguson4660 3 ай бұрын

I was going to purchase one of these. After seeing your initial impressions, I was hoping for it to be more energy efficient, but I can get over that. The irony of it not being energy efficient with the name Ugreen. Lol When I heard the interview with Ugreen I thought, it's pretty lame to void the warranty if I used Unraid, but if the hardware was good and inexpensive, I could risk it. Now, after seeing they are blocking the use of it altogether. No thanks! I will just build my next one. Thanks for the thorough coverage of this release. I was initially excited about this one, but Ugreen dropped the ball...

@skipguenter3711 3 ай бұрын

I'll check it out when it runs unraid. Sure wish more of the reviewers would cover 'from a linux client" perspective.

@Lzanocco 3 ай бұрын

Unlike Synology you can’t set it up to have the option to upgrade the size of some hard drives. Game changer!

@DeNNiiiable 3 ай бұрын

I would be after a 10 bay and until those become standard i will keep making my own. I do own 2x 8 bay synology. 1x12bay rack qnap, 20xbay custom unraid NAS.

@JohnSmith-zl8rz Ай бұрын

Good to see a Synology competitor, maybe Synology start to release better things.

@PeachiPrism 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for making me realise it does not ship to the UK. Really annoying but saved me from looking more into it.

@gingervspie1118 3 ай бұрын

The biggest thing for me is like Synology SHR raid. The ability to mix and match hard drives is important for me. I hope it's released when the product is released.

@DanielNeubauer 2 ай бұрын

That is the only reason why I still have the Synology 023+ on my shopping list as of now and not the Ugreen. SHR is a really cool thing. But seeing what can be done in terms of better hardware for the same price also rubs me the wrong way - looking at you Synology.

@paulwoodward8265 3 ай бұрын

well said.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Cheers man

@sparkstack 3 ай бұрын

All flash unit seems to be ripe for modding into monster spinning rust device with some m.2 to sata adapters.

@RockTheCage55 3 ай бұрын

I wouldn't even consider this unless it was SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than synology. Synology software is magical.

@praetorxyn 3 ай бұрын

It is, for today. And as a Synology owner, I don't get the hype about DSM. I feel it gets in my way more often than not, and do everything with Docker Compose anyway.

@foobarrel9046 3 ай бұрын

As a Synology user I must disagree. They are progressively locking out previously free software features (such as SMART data access) in order to push clients into buying their severely overpriced own-brand HDD's & NVMe's. I for one refuse to reward this abusive business practice by giving them any more money and thus seek an open solution which has great hardware for the price, and UGREEN perfectly fits that bill.

@RidirFamilyGaming 3 ай бұрын

Really you started with officers' call for your highlight music? lol

@daverussell457 3 ай бұрын

"That's what my therapist says" LOL That explains a lot :o)

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Yep, painfully true

@jaygat5366 3 ай бұрын

I already hate this product because of Ugreen launch policy, a NOGO for me . Thank you for the great review

@StaK_1980 3 ай бұрын

Love it when you lose it! :-) I think all your points are valid. UGREEN is NOT an idie title, them going crowdfunding is weird ...

@theskuffedknerd 2 ай бұрын

How were you able to access the actual BIOS? I still haven't found a way into mine.

@llamaSHORTS1 3 ай бұрын

aChair Leg was able to load another OS successfully onto this NAS, not sure if you’d want to check out his video and see if his steps were any different to yours - he did Pop! OS, but I still really want to see how TrueNAS or unRaid work on this, and if throughput numbers are any different in terms of the 10gig ports.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I'm still holding out on this...I've done tests to mixed results, but if I go ahead and make a loud video on "how to install a 3rd party OS", then there is a chance I am encouraging users to enter into crowdfunding based on something not promised by the campaign and (worse) something that might change later. I might still go ahead and make something, just not sure if it's a good idea yet. Sorry for being a worry wort!

@asknight 3 ай бұрын

I love the hardware but locking my data in a proprietary only OS system is a hard no for me. There will be widely available standalone nas boards with 10gbe soon enough.

@chewingcheung 2 ай бұрын

Can it compete with Synology? Should I replace my DS920+ with this one? I’m looking for 10GB connection.

@NicolasSilvaVasault 2 ай бұрын

they've made over 10 million so far, is insane for such a big company

@dozerd42 3 ай бұрын

A big put off for me is the first party OS only. UGREEN is not known as a software developer. Would love to watch a follow up review video if UGREEN makes some significant updates during the crowd funding campaign!

@herbentroost427 3 ай бұрын

The 2 or 4 bay N100 version would've probably been perfect for me. Great looking and compact design, just the right hardware (1 m.2 for cache, 1 m.2 for Coral TPU and 2-4 drives for array/parity - and the Intel N100 is probably plenty powerfull enough (it can handle many IP-camera's for Frigate)) and for that price! But no shipping to the Netherlands, lackluster 3rd-parth OS support (I don't want my NAS that I want to do all the things with, run some first attempt OS) and questionable power use/efficiency (I've seen Intel i3/i5 systems use less power in idle than a lot of N100 based systems using the well known (BIOS) settings etc.) I'm probably going to build my own system with i3; compared to this basically none of the mentioned drawbacks, apart from design (not many similar nice looking, compact and somewhat affordable cases available here) and price (those Ugreen N100 versions are REALLY cheap!)

@Lorondos 3 ай бұрын

US and DE only? Maaaan....guess I am going the mini-PC + DAS route when Lunarlake drops😂

@TiagoSousa026 3 ай бұрын

Does anyone know the idle power consumption of the just SSD version?

@davidknestrick4752 3 ай бұрын

U know- id not like to think it but its interesting if the rollout is limited due to privacy concerns in europe and other countries? Or do u think thats unrelated?🤔🧐🥰✌️

@TheRealJamesWu 3 ай бұрын

I agree it is very weird the way this is going. The Ugreen DX4600 has been in retail in China for over a year now, and the DX4600Pro has been for 5 months. That means they absolutely have market analytics and they are not developing their OS from the ground up. Why pretend?

@K4ZA 3 ай бұрын

I think I understand UGREENs strategy and reasoning. - Choosing Kickstarter for checking how high the interest in the product is because it's a very well known name. My guess is that they didn't fully realise that that is not Kickstarters main use. Probably because their from China. - Only starting with 2 regions (the USA and Germany) as essentially beta testers of the hardware and software. If anything goes horribly wrong there are not that many units they have to take care of. - Launching all these different products at the same time is also probably because they want all of them tested on. - And the 40% discount if for exactly that. As a compensation for buying a not fully finished experience and essentially helping out with finding the leftover bugs. - Probably chose Germany because it's in the center of Europe and they can then utilize that when they fully release it to the other markets. And as a German myself I think we do tend to overanalyze and give a lot of feedback. So they probably wanted that. All in all I think their plan is actually pretty solid. But some miscommunication internally and externally led to quite a lot of confusion.

@TheDamnhook 3 ай бұрын

Since here are a lot more based facts than on other channels - I got a few questions, that got lost in various threads. 1. On the 2 bay model. Since it just has a single 2.5GbE and 2 SATA bays, got the pcie lanes get appropriately repurposed? I’d hope that each m2 gets 2 lanes then. 2. Also on the n100 models - is the eMMC soldered? 3. Power Consumption - it’s a mess. Nobody talked about c states or even tried to minimize the consumption. How low can it get ?

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Tbh it's tough for ALOT of reviewer to answer that as 1) pretty much everyone has just the 4 bay ATM, 2) only the Pentium or i5 models are out there (at least from those I've spoken to) and 3) no one wants to tinker/play with the OS as it is beta and it would invalidate/undermine the review. Later on, 100% you will see tinkering and testing that goes deep in weeks to come. But ATM, it's about evaluating a product for crowdfunding,not a traditional release. Hope that all makes sense bud

@Hermiel 3 ай бұрын

I've been burned in crowdfunding too many times. I'll wait until it's widely available before I consider it.

@geraldh.8047 3 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you for the extensive test. But if 3rd party software doesn’t work this a 100% total no go.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

To be fair to them, I will return to the software towards the end of the campaign to discuss what has changed/improved in that period (+a Kickstarter comments and updates summary) to try and give backers an decent idea of what's got better and what hasn't before the campaign concludes

@nicolasname5239 3 ай бұрын

Honestly I am not worried about 3rd party OS… the more they’ll try to lock it the more community will try to hack it… they may learn the hard lesson like Sony and others… and no one would even look back at their OS

@debajyotinath5021 3 ай бұрын

Better hardware, average or below average software! I always come to this conclusion whenever I try to compare anything with Synology.

@Mutio86 2 ай бұрын

Hopefully this will push the big players to stop releasing NAS with 3 gen old Celeron hardware. RN I am looking into upgrading my QNAP NAS and would love something with an Intel N100 or even N300 and there's like NOTHING out there really unless I want some OS I'm not sure I am fine with or hacking the device to install another OS (which I definitely don't want).

@adoteq_ 3 ай бұрын

I am happy you say something. I might be able to reach them over skype, if I still have their contact. I suggested a external hdd 3.5" enclosure few years ago that can use more then 1 drive. It seems they went from usb hdd enclosure wirh 2 hdd to making a full fledged NAS.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Yep, they've gone in hard on this one.

@adoteq_ 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares yeah. I meant for them to make a usb enclosure with 2 drives or so. And I live in the Netherlands btw. So they must have mixed a few things up

@grtitann7425 3 ай бұрын

Interesting, but will wait for the AMD version.

@oskarzemcik1548 3 ай бұрын

I checked preoder page and price is similar to existing nases. Yes it hase more upgradability and potential abilities, byt its still not finished. I will not pay, at a "discount", as well as for an existing product for something that I do not even know how it will turn out.

@SilviuConduruta-tt6sf 3 ай бұрын

i was about to pledge the 5 bucks but I'm neither from US or Germany .. and no 3rd party OSs for now, I'll keep the Terramaster for a while longer

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Those are THE 2 big sticking points for many...bugger!

@Latino3650 3 ай бұрын

I really really want to love the system but not having availability in my country or at leat know that I can't have the discount really just beaks my desire to try it out. For the full price, there are many options and tbh the maturity versus qnap or synology is a very steong point against but I can't really justify to just tey it when the 40%+ discount is never going to be available for me..

@I_like_science 2 ай бұрын

Hello! I have a question. I’m planning on ditching google photos and get myself one of these. My question is : since you can create user profiles. If two different users backup their photos, will they be stored in the same photo library ? Or will each user have their own ? For example say I have a 100 picture of a dog and my wife has 100 pictures of a cat, when I open the photos app. Will I see 200 pictures under my account ?

@jakep7706 Ай бұрын

Your admin/root account will see anything and everything, your guest users will only see what you give them access to

@MrAquilesatlas 3 ай бұрын

I was debating on the four bay plus versus the six bay pro. I decided to back the six bay pro due to the connectivity of thunderbolt four. The software looks much more refined than the western digital EX4100 I have been using for the last 8+ years. It’s time to replace it, and I was thinking about the Synology however, the lack of M.2 support concerns me. Would you suggest Seagate iron Wolf or WD red drives to populate this?

@boardofdirectors3633 3 ай бұрын

I have had issues with Seagate drives over the years and will NOT buy them any more. BUT, WD drives have been rock solid for me. I've just ordered an ASUSTOR AS6706T to replace my AS6204T and ordered WD Red Plus drives for the new NAS. For my use, I did not need the WD Red Pro drives.,

@MrAquilesatlas 3 ай бұрын

@@boardofdirectors3633 thanks for your reply. Thanks for your reply. I have some replacement WD RED plus 14TB drives on backorder since March 1 and I am getting frustrated with the delays. However my current WD RED 4x3Tb drives have performed well for 8 years.

@K4ZA 3 ай бұрын

I actually only found out AFTER "buying" the NAS that they only ship to US and Germany. Good that I live in Germany. But I find it really random. Didn't expect Germany to be so high up on the ladder

@jay9404 3 ай бұрын

Have you tried running proxmox on it and virtualizing unraid/truenas? That would be promising if it could.

@concinnus 3 ай бұрын

He said Proxmox was among the things he tried.

@GaryKGaming 3 ай бұрын

I absolutely hate that the UK is excluded from the 40% off 😢. I'd cover shipping and taxes and they shipped you one so I don't get the issue

@aisback1990 3 ай бұрын

Same here

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 3 ай бұрын

What about shipito or similar services?

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Already spoken to a few users looking at getting it shipped to a redirection service. It's not without an element of risk (courier insurances and trust), but its an option, as I cannot imagine the invoice and delivery address need to match. That said, REMEMBER this is crowdfunding lads!

@GaryKGaming 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, what happens if they realise it's going to a redirection service and aren't happy with that? I assume you wouldn't get a refund

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 3 ай бұрын

@@GaryKGaming err... Why wouldn't you get a refund? It's not like there's any stipulation that you have to physically reside at the shipping address, lest your payment be forfeit

@famoussasjohn 3 ай бұрын

Welp, let's do this rodeo one more time after the Storaxa debacle. I'm in for the 6-bay option. Got most of my money back after filing claims, so at least at ease a bit more to be hurt again if this fails lol. Though seeing as you have multiple units on hand, this is leaps and bounds well beyond what Storaxa could even make up and lie about at this point considering we have reviews before the campaign started.

@ispenttoomuchongear 2 ай бұрын

I think their focus should be the hardware release and only that. They can still come up with software. There are free third party NAS sofware pieces that work. Why make it a economic guessing game when you could be turning the market upside down easily

@TheArchitect101 3 ай бұрын

I want one but still no offer for uk!

@NopWorks 3 ай бұрын

It rubs really wrong that I'm locked out of 40% discount. I live in Asia and the discounted price is really good value, plus the hardware design looks modern unlike some NAS.

@misku_ 3 ай бұрын

5:32 Priceless 🤣 I completely agree that UGREEN trying to prevent installing other OSes on their box are shooting themselves in the foot. It's simple, UGREEN: don't support, but also don't interfere. It's interesting though that you @nascompares were not able to run any other OS successfully on the device. aChair Leg (PopOS) and TwoGuyzTech reported that it was possible. The key is to disable the Watchdog in the BIOS completely. I've seen Watchdog screen in your video, but I'm not sure whether you tried to disable it. To get to the BIOS (which you did) aChair Leg removed the original SSD from the slot and TwoGuyzTech renamed the EFI folder to sth different, that the UEFI BIOS will not automatically try to boot from.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I did both those things and indeed did run a. 3rd party OS...... For a while. But, as mentioned in the vid, the system would reboot or flat out power off. Still investigating

@m4rkb0y 2 ай бұрын

I made it to 12 minutes in which I picked up a whole lot of good info so thanks for that, I will be watching UGreen's progress. Unfortunately for me at just past 12 minutes the hyper-caffenated-rant style presentation went from novelty to distraction for me so I bailed.

@venti4268 3 ай бұрын

Why the hell does not anybody hardware brands out there make a system for 3'rd party OS? Of course you can build a system from ground up , but many, like me, only want to add disks and memory and from there choose OS. Why not NUC for NAS???

@petebuka 3 ай бұрын

I just saw another KZfaqr "TwoGuyzTech* said if you rename the efi partition and turn off watchdog you can install other OS and it will stop looking for the ugos upon reboot. Robby can you try that and see if it solves the boot issue?? This sounds promising.

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

Tried both, ran 3rd party fine....for a while. Investigating

@ElectroOverlord 3 ай бұрын

I want that hoodie

@ElectroOverlord 3 ай бұрын

Mmmmmm more hoodies...

@howardrfrank 3 ай бұрын

Robbie - Try decaf. LOL.

@csxtrainman95 3 ай бұрын

I really have no idea what to do lol! I’ve never owned a NAS but I want to buy one but this UGreen thing just seems way to what ifs for me but i don’t want to miss a good price for this thing either! Just not sure what route to take!

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

You and about a 1000 others buddy. Sorry to be the bad news bear man

@csxtrainman95 3 ай бұрын

I would much rather you bear the bad news than me do something stupid!😂

@csxtrainman95 3 ай бұрын

Do you recommended something for a first time user who just wants to start out using it for Jellyfin with a small library and using it to backup photos?

@xenonlp9189 3 ай бұрын

Did I understand correctly that even after disabling the watch dog in the bios and everything it still kicks you out of 3rd party operating systems? You haven't found a way to make it run permanently?

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

I am going to make a separate vid on this, but basically yes. I disabled the watchdog, used a completely new drive for the OS (and in the case of UnRAID, ran off the USB on one occasion with no disks, and on another with 3 disks). And on both occasions, the system rebooted after a few minutes. Still investigating the causes, as I need to eliminate some potential causes my side (ran without the external enclosure + ran on an older firmware version that might have updated the bios as it is a Ugreen kernel), but haven't had the time yet between other projects to explore yet.

@xenonlp9189 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares Many thanks for the effort. I'm still hoping for the best 🫡

@dobrzpe 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares i can't WAIT for that video. the lack of being able to even USE a 3rd party OS is a show stopper for me. i don't care about voiding a warranty!

@sbrblz 3 ай бұрын

@@nascomparesplease prioritize that video, no youtuber has shown installation and use of 3rd party os. it would be very much appreciated.

@ivanrubashov6702 3 ай бұрын

The aesthetic, power, form factor, and hardware choices are fantastic. If they allowed 3rd party operating systems even if it did void the warranty, it would still be worth it to me as a cheap simple yet pleasing solution to pair with my Synology.

@jirehla-ab1671 3 ай бұрын

Is there a NAS that i can install any operating system and can be configured with uefi?

@howellcp 3 ай бұрын

My primary use case is just for picture and document back ups. Does this allow for cell phone picture back ups from the phone and google photos back up. Love all the reviews but to a new NAS potential user its so confusing....

@nascompares 3 ай бұрын

It definitely allows photo photo backups, but 3rd party cloud sync (ie connecting your Google drive etc) is not on there yet

@howellcp 3 ай бұрын

@@nascompares I would imagine they will add it but man, what if they dont! My use case is not as good.

@darrenhughes8406 3 ай бұрын

Well lets hope that their os is better than the constantly wobbly terramaster offering... i got rid of that after 4 failed updates in two years blitzed my data and mot having a degree in linux didnt help..

@jonevansauthor 3 ай бұрын

I already have a WD Nas. Its my first, and I can tell you now, there is next to zero chance I'll ever by another HDD one. Assuming this lasts two or three years, it just doesn't make sense to be buying the things now for normal people. Not now that there are SSD NAS solutions, and those make no noise* and support more than enough storage. A daydream NAS for me would be a mini-PC shaped box with 4 NVME slots, and a space in it for my choice of 120/140mm fan so I can choose one like a Noctua which is quiet. *yes, I realise its not zero noise, but if its quiet enough I don't notice it, it may as well be.

@jonevansauthor 3 ай бұрын

I would like to know how these are powered. I just tried to find out from UGreens website and their Kickstarter how their NVME one was powered. I would expect to plug it in via USB from one of their GAN chargers because any other idea seems frankly ludicrous in 2024. Seems like a missed opportunity to do an NVME NAS, with a modular system so you can shove it on top of your USB/Thunderbolt/Charging Hub. Let me stick one on my desk, provide all my ports, lots of USB charging ports, data hub for a laptop and SD card ingestion and so on. They are even in an ideal situation to sell you a module that plugs into the right hand side of the HDD Nas, that adds all that gubbins. I wish they'd had more fun with the form factor. I'd also love to see them get into Mini PCs. Just sell me a mini PC, make the box just a bit bigger than a Beelink et al, and give me storage space for more NVME drives, and a full size Noctua fan for cooling. With the general quality of their design they could conquer that market quite easily because few of the providers are innovating.

@alexcamilleri3610 2 ай бұрын

@nascompares official statement on power consumption " Here are the current power consumptions for different models. fully loaded DXP2800: Standby 51.29W (2*8TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) DXP4800: Standby 73.138W (4*8TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) General load DXP2800: Standby 16.77W (2*4TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) DXP2800: Standby 26.92W (2*8TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) DXP4800: Standby 29.279W (2*4TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) DXP4800 Plus: Standby 30.608W (4*4TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) DXP4800 Plus: Standby 51.437W (4*8TB HDD + 1*256GB SSD) Empty load DXP2800: Standby 9.85W (no drives) Other models are still being tested so we currently do not have data available to share. "