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It always strikes me how generous actual masters are. People with high levels of skill in a subject get that skill because they love what they do and do it as much as possible, and loving something usually means you want to share that love with others. Be wary of the people who hoard their 'knowledge', they want something from you rather than to make you better.

Watching Sifu Fong tie Kevin up like a pretzel to illustrate a point never gets old.

Sifu Fong is an excellent instructor. There's a lot of bad wing chun out there, and he's encapsulating all of the most important and flexible components of it. Really great to see

The amount of knowledge from Sifu is unbelievable!!

Bro he’s so cool😭

Unbelievable...you have managed to do what no wing Chung master has been able to do in modern times...you have managed to make a video that explains and shows that the principles of wing Chung and the skills gained from training it are not useless, that is a martial art with a lot to offer. You have done what no other has been able to. Well done.

I was shocked to learn Sifu Francis Fong is 76 years old. I thought he was maybe 55 or 60 at the most.

I've always found Kevin to be really good at explaining things in his videos, and with Sifu Francis as his teacher, it's no wonder! He explains things so concisely and yet makes the concepts really intuitive.

The middle part represents low line punches or raised knees. Just like the two upper arms represent highline punches. And yes, repeated mild impacts over a long period of time do make your bones denser and harder. The main part of iron palm training is about coordinating breath with movement and developing smooth relaxed motion in your strikes. Kind of like throwing a baseball is smooth and relaxed. But part of it is also slowly making your bone denser so that it can stand up to the power you’re developing by building your coordination.

The fact he regularly closes his eyes when doing the drills with Kevin is crazy 😂

Kevin looks slightly terrified at times and I love it 🤣

I practice both Karate (primary) and Wing Chun (secondary), and I must say that WC compliments any standup martial art. WC has improved my Karate so much! Glad you are starting to appreciate it.

Sifu Francis Fong is one of the most remarkable human beings in martial arts, both in terms of his knowledge and in terms of his physical abilities for a man in his 70's.

Francis Fong has the best hands I've ever seen on any martial artist ever. He's phenomenal. I really started to love the wooden dummy when I realized that it was as much or more about footwork as it was about hand work. I love it now.

Wing Chun it's not for everyone. It's way different than others martial arts. You are so Lucky to stay in gym with Sifu Fong. That's a hell of Sifu. Probably the one the best today.

As someone who did Wing Chun bone conditioning in Highschool. It works really well but hurts super bad while doing it. You basically slam your bone by your wrist down on your partners while the other deflects. Using the wooden dummy also helps condition the bones as you will often end up hitting them pretty hard. After a few months you will barely feel it anymore. But I once had a teacher at school ask me if I was being abused at home. Because both of my arms from wrist to 1/3 of the way to my elbow were a solid black with bruises.

So cool to see Wing Chun in a light it deserves. Usually it is interpeted and demostrated all wrong. Props so Kevin Lee and his Sifu to tune the art of Wing Chun in a more modern style. And humble Seinei Seth ofcourse, to put himself out of his comfort zone everytime. Love to watch your video´s.

I would love to see Icy Mike learn from Sifu Fong now. Mike is a very practical guy and he always seems skeptical of old style martial arts (and I can't blame him because a lot of times he's right) so I really want to see what he'd pick up from Kevin's master

Sifu Fong 🙏(‘s explanation)is a perfect example of who and how a really great Master should be. Indeed He managed to teach and demonstrate quite a lot in quite a short time (in general and about the dummy as well), and He is kind, charismatic, motivational, respectful and motivating respect. Just by watching this video I would run to learn in His School (if He would accept me). ...And yes, we learned what the purpose of that middle...arm(?) is.😂

Dude! Seeing you learn from Kev's teacher shows why Kev is so amazing at martial arts! Great video!

Lesson 2: Leverage. Yes, speed helps, but good leverage with good control (partly #3 angles), you don't need speed as much. In the end, yes, you are starting to get it - it isn't about the dummy, it is about what the dummy reveals. Good one, Sir.

With the precision of his movements, you can really see what thousands of hours of practice look like

You got to train with master Fong himself. What an honor!

Sifu Fong is a great instructor from what I have see of his teaching. Its good to see someone like yourself open to Wing Chun because people often dismiss it and the art doesnt improve. I feel like you've got the principles down and those principles dont have to strictly be WC but applied to general striking.

You're doing a great job doing these breakdowns. It takes a lot to assimilate information like this and then recompose it to someone (us) in a clear way that makes sense!

there are so many wrestling applications running through my head while i watch this.....i love your channel Seth. Keep fighting the good fight.

Your final thoughts might have felt awkward to express, but Sensei, they truly hint a a deep philosophical idea. Let me see if I can try: sometimes the best practices in any complex skill (those that integrate body/mind/intent and connect one with a tradition) are designed to teach at many layers. The more widely applicable layers to any practice, the more a relationship with a person/practice/mindset discloses even more reality and catalyzes the practitioner to grow beyond to meet that bigger reality, only to have that practice expand reality AGAIN... that is true Art. Beyond the propositional knowledge, beyond the procedural skill; it is the perspective and participation with Reality.

Hi Sensei Seth, Thanks for the great video. As a wing chun practitioner, I want to give you point number #6 on your whiteboard: Space Awareness and Positioning relative to the opponent. If you look at Sifu Fong and Kevin, you will see that because of their training with the dummy, they are primed to move and adjust their bodies at the most optimum angle for their own bodies relative to the center mass of the dummy. So the idea is as a beginner, once you make contact with the dummy, you need to adjust your hand/body angle relative to the dummy until you feel the perfect position (not leaning backward/fowards, elbows in the right position, legs are within the position to kick and/or displace the opponent's front leg, etc), and rinse and repeat until you internalize and/or calibrate your center/kill zone to unleash your Wing Chun freeflow combos. The best analogy to show this phenomenon is when you watch KZfaq videos of street fighting game characters' combo videos. Usually for a given fighting game character (Ryu, Ken, Jin, etc.), you have a long list of normal moves, special moves, throws, etc. -- if you use them randomly, they hit the opponent but you cannot chain combos. However, if you are in the correct position and at the right moment, you can strike the opponent in a way that allows you to chain multiple hits and combos to hit the opponent (i.e., juggling) while you cannot be hit by the opponent once the chain begins. In other words, the dummy teaches the practitioner to learn and realize where he needs to be relative to the opponent in order to optimize and/or execute his or her wing chun strikes and techniques. If you have to bend over (arch your upper body) to reach the dummy arms, then you are too far away from the dummy, and vice versa if you are too close to the dummy. If your shoulder is not square facing the center mass of the dummy, that means you are not facing the dummy appropriately and that means you are turning too much as Sifu Fong said multiple times in the clip. Once you are in the right position and are calibrated with the dummy, the next steps are to literally to move around the dummy and quickly and naturally calibrate your position/orientation to the opponent in real time -- that is the true teaching of the dummy that most people don't realize. Hope that makes sense, and Thanks again.

I've always wanted a comprehensive breakdown of the purpose and functionality of this type of training dummy, so thank you for this. The "bone conditioning" looks brutal, but I can see how it would be useful with the amount of blocking and hand trapping that's utilized in Wing Chun. My hands, elbows, and shins are very conditioned. My wrists and forearms? Not so much. Good stuff, Sensei Seth!

What an honor to train with Sifu. So very knowledgeable!

That was awesome. I started in martial arts with Wing Chun (at 49!) and eventually got a half dummy for my garage. I wasn't learning the "form" on it so much but it was great for just general drilling without a partner. I've moved on to Krav but still have the dummy sitting on the wall. This is making me want to start using it again!

I loved my wing tsu experience when also learning Tai chi Quan I'm glad he taught you about so much especially the centerline concept

The middle part is to simulate bodyshots be it punches or kicks, wing chun doesn't use a lot of kicks but it has front stomp type kicks tl the legs and body.

Sifu Francis Fong is the best!! It's incredibly awesome to see him on here representing the traditional arts. Thank you for sharing this 🙏

Very well done! Thanks! I'm ready for Part 2.

Thank you for this, Seth!

Sifu Fong is such a wonderful teacher and gem of a person. This video is absolutely great and it’s awesome to see Seth train and gain such great knowledge from such a master, thank you for this!

Great video. Trained WC for 20 years, and really refreshing to see someone talk about these basic concepts and theories, in an approachable way for beginners. It puts the movements great contents. it's not about crazy/flashy movements, but the small details. Thanks Sensei Seth

Excellent Gong Fu! Thank you for sharing this exchange with us.

Loved the video! I bought my dummy about 3 years ago. Such a great tool to have and use. I used it last night for a lesson on structure in my class. Sifu Fong demonstrated with such proficiency and your adaptability was great. Love it!!

O P This was good. More Wing Chun videos please.

I’m jealous, Sifu Francis Fong is who my instructor learned from. I never felt I was good enough to go to one of his seminars since our focus was Kali.

I love watching Kevin listen to his Sifu, such respect and admiration

Love to see a master ‘breath out’ their passion for their art… truly a very accomplished expert…

The middle part also represents an arm; the 3 arms on the wooden dummy represent different arm positions on your opponent. 😂 Love the video; huge fan of everyone involved!

This was very interesting. He seems to be a great teacher, and when you look at Kevin, he sure is. I hope you can learn more from him, and maybe you will be able to incorporate it into your own style. Perhaps you can make a Viedo with Kevin where the two of you show your take on how you profit from learning traditional martial arts vs then strength of more modern ones.

This was awesome!!

Wow, what a great instructor! Respect.

I've been to several Sifu Fong seminars. He brings a lot of knowledge and humor to everything. BTW: The wooden dummy builds killer forearms, too.

I sword fight in HEMA, love how similar all martial arts are. Thanks for sharing.

I am a novice at martial arts and I have always wondered how the wing chung dummy works but seeing this video definitely gives me a idea and I appreciate the heads up on this begaining instuction video lession. Thanks kevin and sifu instructors!

this was actually incredible, so insightful

I have one and it's been absolutely a great tool

Again, a well done video. By the "middle part" are you referring to the third arm in the middle of the dummy? You were working with that third or middle arm during much of the video. It is a simulation of a low strike by the dummy from its centerline line to your centerline. During one exercise, you shifted your centerline off-center, removing your centerline as a target, and used the torque generated by that shift and the lowering of your body weight to attack that punch and a 2nd punch thrown higher.

I've been a big fan of both Seth and Kevin for years, but this is one of my favorite videos. I've practiced Japanese budo for 25ish years and I've always been fascinated by Wing Chun, but my experience is very superficial. This video was really good at really explaining those things that you just can't get from "seeing" a practitioner. You have to know those "secret" things that turn this into real techniques.

I only got to do wing chin for a little bit but the various forms, practices, conditioning are really eye opening and give you a whole appreciation and understanding of it. One day I will have my own dummy but 😢 wish there were more places to practice

Sifu blew his mind🤣

You are probably starting to see why Wing Chun is so popular with martial arts geeks 😁

This was so cool and very informative. More than anything... you learned a new PHILOSOPHY that can be integrated into other things you already know.

One of the best and informative videos. Makes me wanna learn wing chun now. Great applications and trapping.

The mook jong/wooden man dummy is one of the most traditional Chinese tool in martial arts. I have two in my dojo because we like CMA movements mixed in our Goju Ryu

Can you create a new comparison about different types of kickboxing style like Muay Thai and American kickboxing and sanda and Dutch kickboxing and savate

Great education is the Dummy :) Glad you enjoyed your time there :) Cool video and respect to Sifu Fong

Excellent video I learned a lot

Wing chun is such a difficult and rich system. It's all about principles (like the center line, structure, forward energy, economy of motion, sensitivity etc.). Training on the wooden dummy teaches you how to use your own mass to influence the balance and center of gravity (i.e. structure) of the opponent. When blocking or pulling, you don't want to just block or pull the arm, but completely disrupt the opponent's balance and change the angle (taking the center line) so he can't easily attack you again (because he first needs to regain his balance and turn back towards you). So you're attacking and defending in such a way that you're taking away your opponents ability to fight back. At least, that's the idea (but most wing chun practitioners don't train in an effective manner unfortunately).

Here’s the thing, i think it translates to grappling more than striking. Of course with modifications

Sifu Fong is the real deal! great video!

Great video!!

wing chun is both really simple and really complicated at the same time. I have trained Muay Thai/Muay Chaiya, jiu jitsu and wing chun and imho a person shouldn't start with wing chun. Well maybe learn the first form, then go onto some other striking art like Muay Thai, Karate, or whatever and then after some level of mastery has been achieved come back to wing chun. At that point they should have the right physical and mental frame to learn the kind of wing chun that is actually really useful. If I take two people who know nothing about martial arts and send one to a typical wing chun school and the other to a typical muay thai school, it is pretty obvious that the muay thai guy will just handle the wing chun guy the vast majority of the time. However, if they both started with Muay Thai, one then added wing chun while the other only stuck with Muay Thai then the Muay Thai only guy will get owned the vast majority of the time. The reason is not that the muay thai techniques are that much better than wing chun but rather that the training is that much better for untrained fighters or people who haven't developed that basic ground level fighting ability. I think a lot of wing chun was set up assuming the person already knew how to fight and wing chun was just putting the polish on it and making it streamlined. People with only wing chun training often suffer from unjustified overconfidence and imho it is from a lack of sparring/stress testing in the training in most wing chun schools

wing chun movement is useful training for judo players, in my opinion.

i ve been practicing on the dummy for over a year we have it in the gym I practice its really usefull the arms and hands do get stronger another great video cheers from brazil

When we had people learning swordsmanship for the first time, the place where the most skill and the most difficulty in understanding came into play was in the bind and more importantly understanding how pressure is an indicator of many things. Exert too much pressure, your opponent can monopolise. Exert too much pressure in the wrong way at the wrong time, same thing. It's actually comparatively easy to learn how to hit someone or something with a sword. It's not difficult to learn the various cuts and positions. it's all the little unspoken qualities that are the hardest to master and I think the dummy and wing chun itself are indicative of spending all your time mastering the unspoken elements. It's all those elements that come into play when you step away from the shadow learning and start properly drilling against an opponent and then sparring adds another layer of complexity because suddenly you've got all the elements like distance and timing and you have to put those up against your opponent's understanding of those things. It seems the dummy is an effective tool to teach people those things without needing to overwhelm them with too much information too quickly.

I never realized just how truly clever the design of the Wing Chun wooden dummy really is! WOW!

Francis Fong was a great choice to demonstrate and teach this

Alright, you got me convinced, I'm going to join your membership

When I first used a dummy I bruised my arms to hell but this was because I was focused on hitting the arms with my arms. Oddly when I changed to focus on using my whole body toward the body of the dummy it hurt a lot less and didn't bruise but I affected the dummy more. Punching the dummy is also good training as if you use good structure and relaxation it doesn't hurt your hand (if you don't it hurts like hell 😂)

informational on a basic level showing where growth is developed... thanks ~

What Sifu said was classic knowledge, genuine information he chooses to pass on. The fact that he and other highly skilled teachers pass on the knowledge speak so highly of them. Thank you, to all the teachers.

I fucking love wing chun. It’s bizarre and hilarious watching people 180 on things so easily. Wing chun gets absolutely slagged to death online for years, a couple of KZfaqrs who people respect pop out a few videos and the same dickheads mocking the shit out of it are like hmm wing chun might actually work 🤔 lol maybe if you lot just actually got to training, in whatever you like to train in, instead of yer constant negative criticisms of stuff you’ve never tried, you’d be better martial artists, and more importantly, better human beings 😊

Sifu Fong!! I love his energy and approach to martial arts.

Love the vids sensei

Great video Seth! Very entertaining and fun watch. The Wing Chun Dummy looks fun honestly! I'll try it out if I ever get the chance because of this video. By the way I really liked the camerawork in this video, just saying. Nice and steady, no big swings that make my stomach woozy. Sometimes I have to click off if there's too much bouncing or swinging around with the camera, but I was able to watch this all the way through no problem. Thank you!!

I once tried wooden dummy and wing chun movement, it was hard but interesting. Love your videos.

The grin on this instructor's face is priceless! A great instructor is always a delight to watch.

Middle part is “another” arm. Since you don’t have moving parts sometimes the middle part is an arm as well, when you engage with it, it’s a low hit (middle hit). I like how you are willing to learn new things from Ving Tsun, in the end it is about being efficient, and you found an excellent sifu to show you the ropes.

Absolutely stellar video

Many ideas from the wooden dummy are iterations of the main Wing Chun concepts such as centerline control or hit where your weapons lie that you would already learn from the empty hand forms. The wooden dummy introduces new concepts - recovery from bad starts or positions, how to close, power generation.

great info thank u

Thank you brother i never got that much good much deeper any explanation before

This is awesome and knowledgeable. 👍

I love people like this sensei. I have been trained in Mixed Martial Arts Since I was 2 and the thing I saw in this video are things I have been taught before. Love to see real sensei teaching real fighters. You have to have a passion for it. And both you and him do.

Great instruction 👍🏻

fantastic!

God i loved watching this. I love hearing experts talk about their depth of knowledge, especially when it comes to combat sports. I can listen to a physicist talk, but I won't be able to understand most of it, but when it comes to combat sports I can understand it. God this was cool.

I like the sounds the wing chun dummy makes. Its kinda therapeutic.

I love the way Kevin teaches. If you do it wrong, do it again immediately with a small correction until you get it right, then he follows it with immediate praise allowing you to do it again with more praise. This wires the brain to know exactly what the right way feels like and tells you exactly how you need to fight.

Cool video. I enjoyed it

This is one of if not the best video's on the WCdummy i have ever seen I'd like to comment on the part about hard bones the way it works is when bone bumps into a hard object a vibration occurs which causes the molecules in the bone to vibrate and become closer together which causes the bone to become more dense over time

Really cool video, always wondered how these worked