The ad nagging from the Creality mobile app is an instant deal killer. I can't believe anyone would buy their printer knowing that.

Regarding the creality app: you can completely skip that by using the web interface you can access via the browser when entering the printers IP. You can also see the cam footage there and upload prints remotely

Up until now my k1 has been working great. My last print PETG translucent print, no supports, just a raft, minimal stringing and great print. All those that can’t get a print to actually finish off of this printer….I think patience is all K1 owners need and maintain the printer. I’m just a hobbyist but a patient one.

Really enjoyed this video. I am a complete 3D printing newbie and found it very informative. I just got my Bambu Labs P1P and looking forward to using it. Thanks for going through the side by side comparison.

Hey guys, thank you for pointing out all the talking points between both machines. I personally went with the P1P a few months back and have consistently told people that,"I didn't know what good printing was until I got my Bambu Printer." On a side note though, would you mind popping a little edit into the video regarding the Cooling Fan(and Chamber Light) because they are now included with any and All P1P's sold as well as will be sent to anyone that did NOT get it as an Early Bird Gift. It's really cool what Bambu Labs are doing, especially taking a majority of the user issues into account moving forward. Thanks again guys and great work.

Thank you for this video. I have been intested in the K1 as.a Bambu alternative to sace a few bucks, and you've sold me on the Bambu. The ads on the monitoring app are beyond the limit of what im willing to tolerate.

Thx for rewiew, i was just thinkin witch one to buy. 👌🏻

thanks for this video you definitely gave me some much needed insight on the k1 I already have a p1p but wanted to add more good to know I’ll just get an X1 in the future instead

people are printing enclosure frames (not the enclosure design in bambu site) and hinges for the P1P and they either source and cut the acrylic or polycarbonate clear siding themselves or they order pre cut sides from a cnc shop. Then you can buy the bambu X1C glass roof/lid or use acrylic or polycarbonate for that too. With the P1P developed as an open frame, bambu decided to omit the main circuit board cooling fan, which you would want add it enclosing it. You also want to add filtered exhaust especially if printing abs, which adds to the cost. And adding a cooling fan for the printed part for when using pla filament. It adds up though and would be better to get the X1C to begin with (or the k1😐 although it's not for me). Printing enclosure is a good solution for people who already had a p1p though.

What I love about PrusaSlicer, is you can feed it STEP files instead of STL and the circles and curve come out real smooth.

Thank you for being honest, finally. Creality continually rushes out printers with serious flaws and rather than fixing them, they just make a new printer. For years we had the never ending new "Ender" series.

Thank you for the comparison mate!❤️ Helped me :)

Bought a P1S two weeks ago. I've been running it everyday for about 8 to 10 hours. I have not had one failed print. It's fast and so far quite reliable. As suggested by Bambu Lab, I clean the PEI sheet with warm dish soapy water and dry it before printing. The first layer has always been perfect. Myself, if I needed another printer I'd just buy another P1S.

well done video. thank you for the presentation!

Just on a side note, although the k1 can't make use of ams it can use palette's multicolor system, including the 8 color system

wait i can actually just put a cardboard box over my printer if i need even temp? i always assumed it would get too hot in there. should i add a small vent or no need? thank you in advance.

Actually I had tried my friends' P1P once, though dont have much experience with it. Problems you mentioned dont brother me, i might have enough luck. All the prints with my K1 are awesome, love it so far.

Thats why i got the Qidi X Max 3 3d Printer. Its running on Klipper. Works right out of the box with heated chamber for high temperature filaments. I like huge print volumes (325^3). I dont like proprietary stuff. I added 3dChameleon for the MMU.

Thank you for your feedback on the Creality K1. I particularly appreciate that you bought the 3D printers and aren't making advertorial content. It was good to hear what you didn't like about the K1. While I don't minimize those as issues for you, they were in almost every case non-issues for me. I won't install any app to use a 3D printer. I won't send any files to a cloud server. I print engineering prototypes, useful one-off designs to fix problems I encounter in everyday life, and products that I sell. I don't need multi-color printing nor do I want the reliability issues and complexity. I don't print Luke Skywalker models and Mandelorian helmets, not that there's anything wrong with that. I was a bit disappointed to hear of some K1 extruder reliability problems, the drive gear engagement lever being too loose or getting knocked loose by the cable chain, issues of low quality cable chain links separating, etc. These are all issues that Creality can fix, but historically they may not. Hopefully there will be simple fixes from the community. I'd like to buy a K1 Max in a few months with those issues resolved, and I'd greatly prefer a stripped K1 Max with no camera or lidar (I think the Creality version will be Bambu Me Too gimmicks that provide little benefit) for $250 less. I"d like the speed and performance of the K1, with the build volume for the K1 Max, without the expensive fluff features. I'd like to keep it simple. My Bambu Lab issues are the carbon fiber guide rod tubes that wear and aren't replaceable, their near insistence on sending my prints through their cloud server, and the proprietary design particularly from a new company.

I had my heart set on the k1 but after watching your video I'm getting the p1p... Ty!

So happy to see a HONEST reviewer ...... I hate when some youtubers is over-selling a bad brand .... and keep saying it's top notch when you can see it is NOT! You have just got me as subscriber ... a old crazy dane.

I have been printing well on the K1, the only thing to do is remove a couple of links making sure the cables still encompass the build plate, it still makes a little contact but not much.

filament is the strongest? / what printer can print the best filament im currently using a slightly upgraded e3v2 with petg (seemed to be better than the pla) i make rc parts and need them to be strong!

Does the p1p have to be connected to the internet in order to work? I'm planning to move into a boat in the future and well there's no internet in the middle of the ocean .

Bambu lab is just a better choice. Creality has been in the top sellers of printers due to offering some decent well priced entry level machines but also market saturation flooding it with dozens of side models so their brand is most of what you see when you search. This sadly leads to severe stagnation in their engineering department the fact Bambu lab had to make their printers just so creality could copy the blueprint is laughable when you look at the lead creality has on BL being in the market. I know no one asked for this rant but I honestly do think creality deserves no customers point blank.

You can print the ARC Bambu Lab P1P Enclosure to fully enclose the P1P, available on Printables. I don't own a 3D printer, wanting want for years but can't afford, just following 3D printer to keep myself updated...

I'm glad I watched this video before buying. Some ready good insights. Thanks

Creality now sells cameras for the K1 - it's about €40 in Germany, available through a few retailers and Creality themselves.

If the worst issue with the K1 is the app, just enable stock Klipper (tutorials are available). I still think I want a K1, but I don't like *any* printer that forces you into their own cloud and/or slicer. From what I've seen Bambu's system is pretty closed.

This is the best K1 and P1P comparison on the internet👍.

.... thank goodness I went with bambu I was considering the k1 those problems would drive me insane

Great video. I appreciate it especially because you bought the printers yourself. It seems like lots of people get more or less "bought".

How do you like it now with the new update? Should give you a lot more options and stability...

nice vid and ty for the info

All the gripes about the K1 pretty much seem to be resolved at this point. The Creality app can be replaced with any Klipper app as there is a way to open the machine up to run full Klipper rather than the messed about with version that ships with the printer. You can also run Prusa Slicer as there are profiles for the K1 available now. Also there are fixes for the extruder issues and cable chain problem available from Creality for those with early printers and printers shipping now appear to have the updates already there. The camera and LiDAR are also now shipping for the K1 and already installed in the K1 max. For me, although the P1P is a fine printer the enforced cloud integration and terrible privacy policy make it a none starter.

Honest review - respect!

Full enclosure and directdrive is very important to me. I can live with 220x220x250mm I would use prusa slicer - everybody uses what works best for him.

What about warranty and customer support, which has better Creality or Bambu?

This video really made me feel better about buying the P1S over the K1 - the P1S fixed basically all the issues you brought up with the P1P.

I really appreciate this video. I'm not planning to buy very soon but I do want to pick up one of these machines and the K1 Max looked like it was going to fit all of my needs. If the software is as bad as you've shown then I think I'll start leaning back toward the Bambu.

I sit next to my printer (Ender 5 s1) and send jobs to it from Cura. I can see the bed is clean and clear from a £2.50 webcam too. I installed Klipper myself on a cheap Pi 3B+. It's not as fast as a K1 or P1P, but it sits idle for 16 hours a day anyway. I have no problem taking 30 seconds to swap a spool before a 12 hour print!

You can adjust the flow rate on the bambu???

I'm not able to find the P1P on Amazon or the site to go to. Can someone tell me where to go?

Can you put a laser on the bamboo like you can with the creality S1 Pro?

Can the available beds handle Carbon Fiber Nylon? What nozzle does the K1 take, mk8?

From what I read the K1 has a usb port and the Bamboo p1p does not. Can you use Octoprint with the K1 ?

I have a K1 and its worked flawlessly so far.. Its weird that so many people have such different experiences with this printer. And why is the Bowden tubing for the filament not inside the cable chain?? On my K1 the Tube is inside the cable chain with about 10cm at the extruder end not in the chain so there is no way the chain will get close to the gear extruder switch as the tubing stops it from getting near it.. Its like this on the official website page to give you an idea of what I mean.

Where can I get the 1st file you were printing on the k1? I think it's for testing speeds? The model u showed that had the layer shift also. Thank you

Microcenter has a $200 coupon for the Creality K1. Do you think it's worth it at $379? Is it possible to use Cura for slicing and Octoprint for running?

My K1 Max is a beast. There's a couple of little things I didn't like in the firmware (they tried to make it easier for people) so I rooted it and changed what I didn't like. I get perfect first layers, perfect flow, and rarely a fail of any sort and then it's been my fault.

I'm currently 3 prints into k1 max and loving it for now. Hope it keeps this quality up.

Okay, so I was waiting for the K1 but after seeing the slicer and the ads, it's a hard NO. I'll buy their competitors now.

The k1 Max is the one with the camera and AI, it's listed in a drop down below the k1 ina banner on the marketing page, I take it this took a while to get uploaded? On a related note, I understand that creality cloud is bad, but it would've been cool to see if you had any luck setting up octoprint with the k1, I hear it has a creality cloud plug-in these days?

Defintely pondering the k1 max but kind of wondering if i should skip the first version and wait for the k1 max+ or something, some of the issues you mentioned will most likely be ironed out in the second version. Or hope that bambu labs comes out with an x2 or something.

is it worth it to have the new K1C ? as they fixed some stuff ?

Just so everybody knows, the K1 has fixed it’s printing problem he talks about

Great review. Could you do one with the FLSUN V400 vs the Bambu P1P? The V400 is getting long in the tooth but was ahead of its time like the Bambu and with prices coming down it's not unusual to find the V400 in the sub $800 range putting the two within $100 of each other. I know the V400 is huge but most people would be able to accommodate the height vs flat and wide.

One question, if you don't have Bambu as an option, since Bambu is not available in my country. Only Creality and Anycubic printers are available in my country. Is the K1 a bad printer? Will I have issues with it? or it's only not as good as Bambu? I see a lot of USA videos saying to get Bambu but they are extremely limited and only available in north america and selected countries in Europe pretty much.

Some places sell the k1 with a 200 dollar discount. Is it worth it for that price point?

Great video! Would have liked to see more print comparisons if possible. You hinted at it at the very end but didn't show the differences.

The same for me. Also bought that printer. Also not happy with. FBG5 worked fine out of box for several month with no any modifications. Why I should tune K1? :(

the proprietary lock in of bambu turns me off though. Much prefer klipper capable options.. though the K1 is a derivative as well.. but it is klipper and more customizable. To each their own.

Im I’m the same situation, so many issues with my k1 and trying to get it returned… have you been able to get your return request approved?

Great infor well said well done sir enjoyable

You compare the K1 with the P1P, but also consider the P1S. For just a bit more you get a closed system. That's the one I would go for after watching this video. Thanks!

Thanks You make my decision so much easy.

I will go with an p1p. Thank you. All other vid says there are good but I was not sure. Now I him😊

Check out the Xtouch screen addition for the P1P or P1S. Open source and no soldering required and inexpensive.

Those notification is enough to stop me from buying this printer, it’s such a shame I was really looking to get this but now after seeing so many negative reviews I guess I will just bite the bullet to get the Bambu X1C

thank you for making this video, i am in agreement that the k1 isn't a pure winner yet. i wish it (and more importantly the k1 max) was. However since you're stuck with one you should know something to help with your biggest issue. You can ignore the creality app and use klipper's fluidd to use the printer remotely. On any phone, computer, or tablet. People have made prints to lock the start of the cable chain to stop it from bending over if you haven't already fixed that..

Returned my printer the next day. The Extruder gave me tons of issues. They're trying to make a "no tinker" machine but failed hard on this.

Great video thank you

Bambu Labs do have an enclosure kit for the P1P that is reasonably economical, or you have the P1S available now as an option that is pretty reasonable. Big Tree Tech have recently released a Panda Touch device that upgrades the P1P / P1S display now. Very worth while. I know, slightly extra cost, but worth while and still preferable to me over the Creality offering. I believe, now ( 8 months later ) different slicers can be used with Bambu as profiles are now available, but I don't know off hand which ones are compatible. I think Slic3r and Orca work, but last I heard they don't support the AMS yet.

So just a few things. I like open source. So p1p has a negative for on that. Also I really want a printer that only sends data to my local network. Nix the cloud. When bamboo has been around for more than 1 year I will also feel more comfortable about it being not open source. Parts need to be available for the foreseeable future. The AMS feature looks nice, but I understand it does not handle TPU(flexibles). I do a lot of that so the AMS is not a big seller for me. From what you have said. I do like the bed size,speed,thermal capabilities. But I am actually passing on most of these new fast printer. Give it another year and I will look again. :)

does the upload time to the P1P not bother you at all? its one of the reasons I was thinking going with the X1C

P1P was $550 during black friday this year. Can't wait for it to arrive!

Can you opt to use OctoPrint / Klipper on either one of them? Because honestly, I'd rather not use the built in stuff.

Had basically all the same issues/concerns sent mine back just 4 days in. Bambu is on order

The issue of the cable chain has been figured out already, shorten the chain and strengthen the locking force. Not all things come out perfectly at the beginning. To decide which printer you need, it depends on what you need it for. I need it all for small tools with the same color at once, but not trying to be an artist.. AMS can be a plus for me, but it's all count on money and I'm an old guy. A nice display is much easier for me but not to go through with my dumb phone.

P1P is on sale for $599 right now for their anniversary sale and includes the camera now.

Creality don't sell the camera so far but they get a k1 package which includes LiDar, hotend, camera and filaments. Good to have these as spare parts for almost free.

I have a creality sermoon d1. After using it extensively for two months, the conclusion is to avoid it if you don’t enjoy slow and excruciating pain.

So idk if it's "supposed" to be this way, but my boden tube runs through that chain. I've never had any of the issues you mentioned. Hell, honestly, I haven't had most of the issues you mentioned personally (I'm not saying you're wrong, want to make that clear). The app doesn't give me ads like ever...yeah sure there are a bunch of notifications, but having been on the platform for quite awhile now, I feel like it happens so much because they're pushing pretty hard to build a community in and around the app (for better or worse). To be fair, I haven't had the opportunity to use any Bambu printers and I won my K1 in a giveaway, on top of all of my printing experience outside of resin has been only Creality machines (E3 Pro, E3 S1 Pro, and K1). I wish I had more to compare to really, which is what brought me here in the first place. I was really curious why you didn't like it and was expecting an asshole elitist complaining, but I was pleasantly surprised, so thank you for that! I like your points and your opinions! They are all fair and unbiased in my opinion, but maybe try feeding your boden through the chain, it might help lol!

Just one simple question Can I simply slice load to a sd or usb I hate over the air bs I like baby sitting

At 15 years old I bought a brand new Ender 3 v2 when it came out, kept it stock for a year. Then I bought a dual z axis, direct drive, and Creality box 2.0 kit. I can print at 500 speed with no degrade in quality. After the first layer I speed it up.

A few issues 1) most multi material printers don't have a poop chute. That doesn't tell us anything. I wouldn't hold my breath, but it is too early to rule out. 2) the k1 works with any slicer. The Creality slicer is just there for interfacing with Creality's cloud services. 3) you can absolutely change the notification settings in the Creality cloud app. Accounts tab> hexagon icon > notification. 4) nobody has a reason to care about 3 because it is a klipper printer. Just use the built in web interface like everyone else. The app is just for cloud slicing, or starting a print job from outside the home.

Wow thank you for the real world maker side of things. I was looking at both but adds are a no go for me so I know what is not on my list now. And I have a cr-10 v3 and sonic pad that I love.

Chipo p1p/s screen kinda reminds you you've paid not enough to have a good touchscreen every time you look at it). Not the case with K1. Number of times you do calibrations and twicks standing next to the unit should not be underestimated. I got mine recently and it's got upgraded extruder and has a matte lever finish, not glossy as the one here and the chain can not unlock that lever at the leftmost corner, unless I push it with my fingers. I guess Creality just made the chain longer or smth. The biggest thing I hate is the noise(

any thoughts on this 4 months later?

U forgot to mention bambu app and camera doesn’t work in wifi mode so you’re forced to use their servers which is not ideal if you’re working with prototypes,

I was about to order the K1 so I really appreciate the honest and practical review.

An fyi, the original design has the cable chain supported to NOT hit that switch, by what you ask? The bowden tube you removed :| But don't say it's about preventing extrusion problems if you don't even take the time to upgrade it to a capricorn.... :P And when you say metal frames, there's quite a difference between bambu's metal pieces screwed together, and the k1 die cast frame. Also, from what I'm seeing online, every bambu has a slight curve at the front of the bed, would love if you could test that one on each bed. I will say I'm not at all a fan of ads in menus for something I purchased. That's terrible

So... like the Luddite I am and not a huge fan of having everything connected to my phone and dont care about wireless printing and all that and just want a fast 3D printer, then the Creality K1 is decent then? The biggest peeve you have is basically the slicer you need to use and the phone app?

I believe they worked out the kinks which made me purchase one, I don't do cosplay or need to build life size helmets, just a hobbyist, needing enclosed printer, prints fast, and easy to set up, I don't care for multi filament, if I need to change color, I can paint the project. For the price it fits my budget for doing very little printing. I bought it because the reviews recently are much better than it was in July. Thanks for being honest, it the K1 craps out, I will definitely let them know.

I do wish the bambulab was slightly bigger for the helmets. However, even with news of the k1 max i just ordered the p1p today because aint no way im going with creality ever again.

As an owner of a creality cr-10 smart ... this KZfaqr touches all the points from creality, he knows what he is talking about 💯

Why isn’t the P1P on Amazon? I don’t have a credit card (don’t plan on getting one ats) so I usually use gift Amazon cards. Recommendations?

If your chain wreck unlock the extruder, you should contact creality and ask for the new v4 extruder, just show them some photo they will help.

One thing i never see k1 reviews talk about is the massive difference that rooting a k1 and going to a mainsail or fluidd operated klipper system with guppy screen. Having KAMP and z tilt make a huge difference on this machine. It also allows for real input shaping not the fake input shaping it ships with. It also allows you to use octo everywhere and get off the horrible creality app.

Good video. The Creality app appears to be terrible. The cable chain is a relatively easy fix but it’s not something that a user should need to do and doesn’t inspire confidence. I also agree about the concern of longevity and your experience with the Bambu labs has been much better so that makes sense. We will see if Creality can improve on these criticisms and improve. They will need to.