The Sovol SV08: You Won't Believe the Price…
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Күн бұрынIn this video, I talk about the Sovol SV08. Brought to you by PCBWay. Register at jle.vi/pcbway and get a $5 welcome bonus!
THIS is the all-new Sovol SV08... (jle.vi/sv08 - it's only $499 for the first 800 buyers!)
Basically, it's a 350x350mm, professionally-manufactured remix of the popular Voron 2.4...
Except it takes less than an hour to assemble.
And it costs a fraction of the price.
And in THIS video, we're going to check it out, see how it's different, and ask the question...
Now that this thing exists... Does it still make sense to build a Voron - specifically, the Voron 2.4??
Please note: This is a Sovol SV08 Review, but because I was allowed to be the first to publish any content on the Sovol SV08, it's not as thorough of a review as I normally do.
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00:00 Introduction
00:37 Quick Disclaimers
01:25 Background & Why It Exists
03:55 What Is It?
04:50 Is This Ethical?
08:13 Specs & Performance
12:54 Setup Process
15:39 Print Quality
17:22 What I DON'T Like
21:35 The Price
23:01 Should You Buy It?
27:17 Conclusion
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@Sovol 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Jonathan for consulting with us on this product since your visit in last August. It was our pleasure to give you and your audience the exclusive first look at SV08!❤
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Any time! I appreciate the privilege and the ongoing cooperation! Can’t wait to visit you guys again soon!
@ThisisDD 2 ай бұрын
Really hoping we'll see an adapter like was mentioned! I try to stick to ruby or diamond nozzles! 🥹
@frankenmint 2 ай бұрын
hii, remember me, from twitter and amazon?
@Sovol 2 ай бұрын
@@thenextlayer ❤❤❤
@kaytrim 2 ай бұрын
I have the same problem with the Z Offset on my SV06 plus. Using something like the beacon probe that recently was introduced to the Voron Project.
@jacklu-mo2ki 2 ай бұрын
I believe there’s more than 200 engineers right now watching this
@chrismay2298 2 ай бұрын
Why? They simply copied a machine that has been around and perfected for a long time. Yawn fuel for engineers.
@MichaelTavel 2 ай бұрын
@@chrismay2298 Mass producing a previously mostly hand-build machine reliably at a compelling price point is not trivial and requires a lot of engineering.
@auroraRealms 2 ай бұрын
@@MichaelTavel I think there is more to it than meets the eye, at first glance. First Sovol is simply joining and forking Open Source products. Second, being Open Source falls in line with Chinese Government Phylisophy, so they get full backing, and subsidies, from the Chinese Government. Third, Sovol is outsourcing production through Creality. Take it as you will, I am on board with it, and impressed with what they are able to accomplish.
@xeraoh 2 ай бұрын
it is a voron clone and that is released years ago those engineers could watch it already
@BlueMax717 2 ай бұрын
@@auroraRealms How do you know production is going through creality? If that is true, as you suggest, i am instantly not interested. Creality QC is absolutely dog poop. And your bed will be warped 100% guaranteed. Lol
@jeffreydutra 2 ай бұрын
The sv08 seems really interesting but the hotend is a nonstarter for me. These companies need to start shipping with standard nozzles, this is insane.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Yeah. That’s a bummer. But I’m 99% sure you can just put the Bambu clone hot end on there lol. I might try next week.
@jeffreydutra 2 ай бұрын
Please do, if this works it will likely change my mind on buying it
@starflexthe2nd 2 ай бұрын
@@jeffreydutra well, it's using klipper, you should be able to swap to anything you want.
@ashleywhitehead3710 2 ай бұрын
Same size rail as the 2.4. you can use a 2.4 rail caddy and have your own pick of any hotend you want on it.
@xapu8775 2 ай бұрын
luckily its open source! so a revo adapter prolly will be a breeze
@DarthTater5738 2 ай бұрын
Less than a fraction is still a fraction
@DrewLSsix 2 ай бұрын
What if it's less than a fraction of a fraction??
@alanb76 2 ай бұрын
less than a fraction is incorrect and meaningless. :)
@davh73 2 ай бұрын
A percentage of a fraction, decimal-ly speaking!
@JustKeepLivingFPV 2 ай бұрын
How much fractions can you spare? I'm a little short on rent I need to make up some fractions to make my ends meet.
@ostlandia 2 ай бұрын
It was clearly meant as a figure of speech to mean that it is cheaper than a Voron Kit.
@marcelzuidwijk 2 ай бұрын
Fully open source, but with a proprietary hot end… they should have go Voron style on that too….
@hassosigbjoernson5738 2 ай бұрын
... You have plenty cash left (in contrast to a Voron kit like from LDO) to just do that! Just use the OG hotend to print the printhead you want and buy the hotend you desire. That's the idea of Rep Rap!
@marcelzuidwijk 2 ай бұрын
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 true, but I think it should have already been open source by default.
@coledavidson5630 2 ай бұрын
@@hassosigbjoernson5738not very cool to have to buy/build an entire new hotend just to have access to different nozzles...
@diyfury 2 ай бұрын
@@marcelzuidwijk They say the printer will be 100% open source, that means the specs for the hot end will also be open source and any company will be able to manufacture it. Just like any other open source hot end? Unless I missed something.
@mikeskerritt9618 Ай бұрын
I know where you are coming from NUT I ordered 4 of them last week for $30, what's the problem. Well, for now, I know they don't have a hardent steel nozel. But I'm sure it's coming. Cheers, Mike Irish
@coloradocornbread6996 2 ай бұрын
Gosh Johnathan i cant thank you enough for all your input, enthusiasm, and wisdom. You are the reason i purchased the a1 mini! My first Bambulab machine. I am just a guy in a small Colorado town, but you've made a huge impact on my interest in this hobby. I appreciate you, and i hope you keep the great content coming. Thanks so much for all that you do ❤
@ManuelBarner 2 ай бұрын
End of last year i bought a SV07+, i was really surprised how well thought out all the details were at that price point. If SOVOL can keep up their level of quality they are going to be one of the big ones of the industry
@suzyamerica4679 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the detail on the cooling. I'm new to 3D printing, started recently on a Sovol SV07plus, and designed a dual-5015 parts fan carrier to ride on the print head. It's on printables. It needs some mass centralization work, but already it's functioning nicely. Anyway, yes, parts fan cooling is a huge limitation.
@pennakira 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video, great info. I hope they come out with multi-color soon with the right price.
@ems6165 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the announcement. I've been contemplating building a voron for the level of quality it offers, but not having the time to invest in building one. This could be a great option for me. I got an SV06+ last year as my first printer with over 1000 hours of prints so don't want to get another bed slinger. The open source and ease of use with klipper had been a great learning experience. Looking forward to see the printing community grow with this release! Keep up the great content. I started listening to your podcast two weeks ago! Great stuff.
@evanbarnes9984 2 ай бұрын
I just have to do this as an ex math teacher, I'm so sorry. In the intro you said the SV08 costs "less than a fraction of the price [of a Voron]", and that's just such a deliciously meaningless statement, it fully nerd sniped me! Less than what fraction specifically? 3/4? Why not just say what fraction of the price it is exactly? 19/9 is a fraction, does it cost 18/9s (or 2x) the cost then? Or is it getting really weird? Does it cost (√2)/π of the price of a Voron? Is it -3/2? Will Sovol pay me for this printer? Anyway, back to the video, I'm stoked to check this out
@air8536 2 ай бұрын
Yes! Which freakin' fraction!?
@gerGoPrint3D 2 ай бұрын
I am no math teacher but that sentence about the fraction is bugging me too. 9/10th is a fraction too. It's like people using "a magnitude of difference" incorrectly.
@andyl2895 2 ай бұрын
Totally, I was searching for this comment. What a BS statement. Also comparing to what? LDO kit? Formbot kit?
@LilCripplingAnxiety 2 ай бұрын
... and then the real price is never truly mentioned, instead we need to follow an affiliate link to the online store selling the item to find the true price, which is a special low price if you're one of the select number of first buyers! womp womp, we've been advertised to yet again.
@lukelucky7681 2 ай бұрын
Oh a question to the math expert: would be "6/3" also be a "fraction"? Then the factor of 2 would also need to be a "fraction" :D
@W.Keeling 2 ай бұрын
Well done on the exclusive video Jonathan 👏
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly
@XHolyPuffX 2 ай бұрын
Is that tool board compatible with something like a stealthburner? Can the fans be changed around?
@woutervossebeld4664 2 ай бұрын
I don't have the printer nor have I looked at the documentation but likely 1. No(size may be different although config wise it would work) and 2. Yes. Since its opensource you can swap parts at will
@XHolyPuffX 2 ай бұрын
@@woutervossebeld4664 Gotcha. It doesn't look like a bad machine, but their decision to go proprietary for a few things is a turnoff. It's understandable though since this isn't meant to be an actual prebuilt Voron.
@SirLANsalot 2 ай бұрын
Hold up there, the LDO kit for the 2.4 R2 does come with handles, though they are on the top. Also you CAN grab from the skirts, as the honey comb pattern does let you grab the lower Extrusion on the side. I move my 2.4 a fair bit and use one handle in one hand and one on below on the extrusion to grab the printer. Just have to be careful of the screen, or carry it from the back. Building the Voron and choosing your own color scheme is like doing RGB for your ultra gaming PC. Not entirely necessary, but also very enjoyable to make the choices. I have a Red 2.4 and went with Red and Grey for my colors, and I might change those colors later too. It took a while to get my 2.4 to be tuned, and right now its printing beautifully, to where I don't really want to mess with anymore settings LOL. Also you don't need the scrubber for the nozzle if you don't heat the nozzle first before doing QGL. I have TAP on my 2.4, meaning the nozzle drip is annoying and messes with the QGL and Meshing. As such I have changed the Print Start in Orca Slicer to run G32 after it heats the bed, but before it heats the nozzle. I then removed the G32 command from the Print Start section of the Printer.cfg file since I have Orca calling for it instead. Now my printer will Heat the bed, Home, QGL, Home again and then heat the nozzle. During all of this, the bed is heat soaking longer then before. Also heating the nozzle doesn't take that long anyways and once it gets to temp, it starts to do the print. The new Path is the 350mm build volume, 220 or 250's have been showing their limitations for years and going to at LEAST a 300mm build volume, your just going to compete against every other printer out there. Look at the Prusa XL, while it is a large build volume, its stupidly overpriced to the point where the 2.4 350 IS THE CHEAPER OPTION LOL. Also since it is a 2.4 that is pre built for you and uses all the same stuff, and ERCF will work just fine on that SV08
@hassosigbjoernson5738 2 ай бұрын
"does come with handles" ... which you also could print by yourself?! "grab from the skirts, as the honey comb pattern does let you grab the lower Extrusion" ... Which you could also change with a large 3D printer at hand. Just because this does come prebuild, doesn't mean you cannot mod it the way you want! After all this is going to be a "Voron light" ... the cheapest entry point to that class. And since all files should be available ... you can change the whole printer the way you want.
@SirLANsalot 2 ай бұрын
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 the handles that come with the LDO kit are metal and much stronger then any printed ones. Thought there are some pretty beefy printed handles on the Voron Mods site. The 2.4 is a very heavy machine, and its all due to that large build plate. The LDO kit comes with a much thicker plate then normal, and thus is a lot heavier too. Took some time to figure out how to carry the damn thing around. Since during the Train Show season, I am moving it about once a month or so as I take it with me to train shows. Its real popular with the kids and other people seeing a 3d printer in action. The 2.4 is great for that with the chamber lighting and all enclosed so you can see what is going on.
@Newmeishu 2 ай бұрын
@@hassosigbjoernson5738the Ldo kit comes with metal handles.
@Newmeishu 2 ай бұрын
If you use tap , you should preheat your nozzle to 150C. It prevents dropping but compensates for the nozzle expansion.
@mandyj5222 2 ай бұрын
Now thats a Voron style printer I can work with! I'm a busy lady and don't want to build my printer but I love the large footprint, the sturdy frame and gantry! I'll have to keep this bad boy in mind 🤔 Thanks for the review Jonathan, don't listen to the haters. You are very thorough and always try to be honest and informative with EVERY video I've seen on your channel. Keep up the great work. I appreciate you ✌ Have a great week all
@markbreidenbaugh6033 2 ай бұрын
Hey so in the printer config what kind of stepper drivers are they using? And what is the amperage they have the x and y running at? I am just curios if they are 2209 or something with equivilent output so i could upgrade the motors with out needing new drivers or mainboard. I was just starting to plan my own core xy build, but the price of this has me seriously rethinking my plans.
@TylerGotAYTAccount 2 ай бұрын
Same. I've been researching for a month, going over various builds and options. But if this hovers around the $500 range and is as open source as it is sounding, this thing is sounding like the way to go. I was about to pull the trigger on a bigger bed slinger this week too. I'm going to wait and see what develops by the 18th.
@justjoe8660 2 ай бұрын
@@TylerGotAYTAccount I saw 599 on the sovol group
@leetpg 2 ай бұрын
tmc2209 @ 1.5A hold and run currents.
@weeurey 2 ай бұрын
This is super cool! I wont be giving up my VzBot any time soon but competition is good for everyone, even open source projects. Hopefully this will encourage the Voron team to innovate further. The 3D printer space is getting really cool recently, especially now that the days of countless Ender 3 clones are behind us
@enyoc3d 2 ай бұрын
i was listening to your podcast with Mandic yesterday and was asking myself why there aren't fully built vorons -- and voila! thanks for another great vid
@yourt00bz 2 ай бұрын
shoud have wished for million kilos of PEEK filament lol
@Veltar82 2 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the video 1st and foremost so thank you for providing it. I do want to ask a few pointed questions though: 1. Why wait to post after the Phrozen Arco Kickstarter ended? I assume from other of your videos that this has been ready for a bit. 2. Nozzle is not hardened so no CF, GF, or silk, wood, marble, or other abrasive filaments. Will replacement nozzles be provided at a decent price or will a compatible replacement hotend be more cost effective? 3. Bambu just released a noise reduction patch for motor noise. How does this unit compare? 4. What about ideas for sound absorption? Thank you again for posting.
@whyme6742 2 ай бұрын
Can you say something about the mainboard? A standard BTT or Creality board like on the other Sovols or something custom build? What CPU is running Klipper? How much RAM? What type of stepper driver? etc.
@alphageneration1796 2 ай бұрын
that's what i was wondering too, there is no way the motors are this loud with tmc2209 or 2225 stepper driver installed, but i guess if everything about this printer is open source, they have to publish the board, drivers, stepper (current/heatdev.), etc that have been used
@lukelucky7681 2 ай бұрын
year @thenextlayer, a look around on the rainbird would be really cool and interesting. Also, the question of how upgradable this is with stepper drivers or better camera, ... calling these 5fps cam an upgrade is a hard claim :'D
@timhoover1416 2 ай бұрын
This looks like a great printer. I look forward to watching it mature with the couple of feature you suggested.
@N4Prs 2 ай бұрын
Great video Jonathan! I recently got rid of my Ender 5 Plus and have looking for a good CoreXY replacement for it, but really really didn't want to build a voron because of all the tuning and stuff required from it. So this is the perfect replacement I've been looking for, especially for the price of an ender 5 plus (which is WAAAAAY worse out of the box)
@Brian_H_42 2 ай бұрын
I would love to see you compare a voron and the sovol SV08 to a printer from formbot called the Troodon 2.0 pro. I just recently got one and I love it.
@tripperdan 2 ай бұрын
I love my SOVOL SV06 and have enjoyed having it onhand. The idea of being able to step into the Voron world without the massive time or cash sink is something that has my attention!
@only1muppet 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could get something like foam window seal and put it under the printer to dampen the noise? I think it would still be porous enough to allow air flow.
@ashleywhitehead3710 2 ай бұрын
Whats under the hood? Whats the specs on the mcu running klipper? How thick is the bed? What steppers and drivers is it using? Details man, details!
@connorcleveland9166 2 ай бұрын
Nero's livestream goes into greater detail but the control boards are both STM32 with an allwinner h616 serving as the Pi equivalent more than enough power. Steppers are 2209s and the bed looks to be about standard voron thickness
@ashleywhitehead3710 2 ай бұрын
@@connorcleveland9166 I saw the live stream. Yeah looks like an orange pi base. Not convinced about the bed though. It clearly had a shroud around the edge. No way you can tell how thick it is.
@peterrichards1989 2 ай бұрын
@@connorcleveland9166 I wonder why the motors sound so loud with 2209 drivers.
@dah4x 2 ай бұрын
@@peterrichards1989 bad firmware or mechanical resonance? 2209's are well known to be capable of very low noise, right?
@markhoward3851 2 ай бұрын
Great review, very tempting machine. I wanted to build a Voron 0 kit to learn, but for the size/price this Sovol might be the ticket.
@RocktCityTim 2 ай бұрын
Dude, you've always been 100% up front in all of your reviews. Why would we think otherwise about this round? Can't wait for the official launch. Looks like I'm gonna need a bigger boat ... er, table 😆
@drconflict629 2 ай бұрын
If you had to choose between this or the troodon 2.0 pro mini which one would it be at this moment?
@Hughes12 2 ай бұрын
Great Video, I've fairly new to 3D printing only about a year now and absolutely love it. I have been thinking of getting into dual color printing. Do you have any printers you would recommend that wouldn't break the bank? Thanks!
@tonykyle2655 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for a wonderful video. I would like to know how this compares to the Troodon Pro 2.0 which is also a variant of the Voron 2.4. Both are about 350x350x3XX in dimensions.
@phasesecuritytechnology6573 2 ай бұрын
Well the troodon has the hdmi 7" screen and you can choose whatever v6 nozzle or hotend you wish right at checkout. Its also enclosed from the factory. No need to print parts either. I'm headed in that direction myself but this 08 is still very tempting at that price.
@tonykyle2655 2 ай бұрын
@@phasesecuritytechnology6573 yes, I have one in a box right now. Just have to get space for it so I can put it together.
@SaveTheSunF1R3x 2 ай бұрын
Bold move having this guy do the first look LMAO.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
My first look video at the panda touch from big tree tech got 100 K views in a matter of days. I get results… and usually don’t screw up massively. Except for this one time… 😂
@tomaszkarwik6357 2 ай бұрын
Hey he cant leak it early if he can show it off early
@chrismay2298 2 ай бұрын
They know he'll kiss ass the right way and get clicks since he can't be negative. They give early clicks to the best puppets.
@EngineeringAddiction 2 ай бұрын
Haha this is true
@cheffress 2 ай бұрын
Still can’t beat the flexibility and upgradability of my Voron. Building and customising the Voron is a big part of the fun and I can put all the things you mentioned into the build if I want. Want 500mm height? That’s totally fine. Change frame color? That’s fine too. Canbus? Who builds without it now? For the price, it will be a compelling option for many, just not for me. Definitely agree with the software setup!
@joescalon541 2 ай бұрын
Having an sv06/07plus, their bed probs always are more accurate with heat soaking. If it is the same probe then makes sense. For the 12 minute Benchy remark. My linear rail modded 07plus can do a 12 min Benchy at 24mm/3 flow, I think this one could as well.
@FuttFel 2 ай бұрын
Weird comparison. Should've compared it to a pre-built Voron. Ie a Troodon. I had my Voron V0 up and running within minutes of finalizing the wiring because someone had a config file for my exact setup. But these files don't always exist because every setup is different and people are hesitant to share config since they can cause trouble if used improperly. My 2.4 came with a filament runout sensor. As did my V0. Most of the kits come with upgrades and such already made for you. I do wish the Voron team would upgrade things faster but comparing the work of volunteers to a company specializing in making 3D printers is both unfair.. And clickbaity. I had a Sovol SV06+ and it printed great. Zero issues with it other than extremely weak cooling and proprietary nozzles. I donated it to my father. Then I built a 350mm V2.4 Why? Because I wanted a printer that was "mine". And now it's up and running and prints great.
@holgerl.2018 2 ай бұрын
Can u please make a (klippain-shaketune, input shaper) resonance compensation and show us the resulting graphs? Interested in the resulting vibrations and recommended max acc. values.
@kevin-sumner 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if the whole hot end or even toolhead can be swapped for a typical ones used in a Voron. It's more costly than Sovol providing an adapter, but it's probably still cheaper and less time consuming than a full Voron kit. What do you think, @thenextlayer?
@hassosigbjoernson5738 2 ай бұрын
Since Sovol stated this is going to be fully open source, you should be able to replace anything. And I guess it doesn't take long till someone comes up with a Stealthburner mod for the SV08.
@rogersmith258 2 ай бұрын
My third (most recent) 3D Printer is an SV06 and it's already my favorite lol. My friends are interested in printers and I tell them go for Sovol due to how easy they make everything with their good prices.
@CrowClouds 2 ай бұрын
I'm definitely getting one this summer
@tomjohns8498 2 ай бұрын
Looking forward to trying one myself 😊
@ptitbass 2 ай бұрын
Does it have nozzle pressure probing for bed leveling?
@Infuse3daustralia 2 ай бұрын
I currently have a bambulab P1s, and have been shopping around for a large format printer, this looks very promising! Ive been looking into the troodon 2.0 do you have any thoughts on it?
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Haven’t tried it
@hellothere6627 2 ай бұрын
I would recommend LNL tenlog D3 300x300x350, IDEX so some multi material capability. Uses standard nozzles. It is $500 with larger sizes at higher prices if it’s not big enough.
@Theprofessor1212 2 ай бұрын
So what’s the advantage of this machine over the Troodon Pro ?
@kerrigreen2626 2 ай бұрын
Nice to see them giving back to the community they online marketing as not been good at explaining that and I feel as been just trying to court drama about it. They should have been proud of being open source not asking stupid questions about it.
@wolfgangmeincke 2 ай бұрын
I will definitely look into this, once it is released and looking forward, if the issues will be fixed. However, if you compare it with a Voron 2.4, you can also add some money and exchange the whole toolhead to put a hotend of your choice, however, to have this available out of the box would be the best way to go. Hopefully the fans will be quieter once it gets shipped, the only space for me is to put it in my office ...
@agb0078 2 ай бұрын
Sovol giving back to the community is a wonderful amazing thing
@CoreyStup 2 ай бұрын
I'm the market for the SV08. Wanted to build a Voron to get the 350mm size, plus Klipper etc. But having a prebuilt option is perfect.
@shanecuster3514 2 ай бұрын
This printer is intriguing. I am currently in the process of setting up my MK4 with an enclosure so I will be able to print ABS/ASA because I want to build a Voron. And then this comes along. I have a decision to make now on whether to go this route, or build one.
@Gigaloader 2 ай бұрын
SV08 looks very good....but nozzle technology has gone backwards with the introduction of high flow nozzles/CHT/Bambulab. No one talks about pressure behavior of these nozzles. Flow rate doesn't mean anything if larger melt zones create triple the friction due to surface area inside the nozzle. None have done the math what is actually going on inside of a high flow nozzle.....and it shows! Does anyone even know what good print quality looks like anymore? Yes we all print faster, but quality and accuracy of high flow nozzles is garbage. Especially on smaller prints with details! It is almost impossible to tune linear advance/retraction in high flow nozzles for a multiple filament brands.
@SpannMagoo 2 ай бұрын
Wonderful video. FYI, the SV06+ at least in my experience had an issue with heat soak also. The work around is the same.
@cleanroomwizard2356 2 ай бұрын
Fully agree on the nozzle design and the new proprietary model for many of these 3D printer companies. So much worked well when multiple printers in my collection could all basically use the same nozzle designs and they were dirt cheap when manufactured at scale.
@JustinTimeTo 2 ай бұрын
This is going to be awesome!
@JustinTimeTo 2 ай бұрын
When can we buy it? The link might not be working?
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
April 18! Https://jle.vi/sovol
@MarcDANIELLAMAZIERE 2 ай бұрын
Thanks. So in short another half baked product hits the shelves.
@davedempsey5282 2 ай бұрын
I think that is EXTREMELY over-reacting. half baked? Looks like a few minor tweaks to me. But screaming that the sky is falling is more fun, I guess.
@MarcDANIELLAMAZIERE 2 ай бұрын
@@davedempsey5282 I imagine you’re paid by Sovol or are a Sovol fanboi. I will not touch the SV08 until all issues have been fixed… May take them a while
@andreas.grundler 2 ай бұрын
Voron Killer, Prusa Killer, Bambu Killer. Why does everything always have to be a killer? Why can't anything just be an alternative? I can't agree with your statement that the old printers became obsolete with the Bambu Lab X1. They continue to do their job. And I also don't understand your need to pick on Prusa. They are going their own way and seem to be successful enough for the company to grow slowly but steadily. In 2023 they sold more printers than ever before and had to expand their production and hire additional staff. Not bad for a company that has often been declared dead. As for the issue of taking from open source and giving nothing back, I have to say that Bambu Lab has already made itself unpopular because of their rude nature. If they had said "We have decided to develop our firmware as closed source, but as a thank you for the groundwork done by the open source community we sponsor open source projects", then that would have smoothed the waters considerably.
@oriwan3786 2 ай бұрын
Because these headlines sells clicks. I fully agree with you. It’s the same like cars, we have now plenty of good established car brands out there and models for everyone liking. There is no “best” car model it always depends on the purpose, personal preference etc.
@chrismay2298 2 ай бұрын
HIs corporate overlords don't believe in competition. They'd rather run them out of business, then themselves as well.
@phasesecuritytechnology6573 2 ай бұрын
What is all the fuss about ? You open source people are like the union! I have a p1p and love it. It's exactly what I needed. And I was about to buy a prusa. Which as nice as they are would have delayed my prototyping significantly. The average Joe does not care about open source. It's cool and all but it doesn't make you money and therefore slows down innovation. I mean a year ago when I was looking at a prusa I was shocked it didn't have wifi built into it! I also had to make my own parts ...are you kidding? I didn't have a printer yet how was I going to do that? All that said BL has never been rude to me though I have had limited interaction with them...oh wait that's because it just works! As an outsider in the 3dp space looking in I appreciate what they did for me and this industry. I also appreciate what voron and the prusa snobs did for it too. And the community at large. I am likely benefiting from all of it. All that said if you open source your ideas then you are knowingly allowing others to use them and make money with them. The voron guys are not complaining just you. They are still making money on their open source ideas and will continue to do so. People treat BL like they are big corporate overlords but they funded this through kickstarter and I've seen interviews with the ceo. He seems like a very down to earth regular guy with a great idea built off of someone else's great idea. Isn't that the point of all of this anyway?
@DrewLSsix 2 ай бұрын
People have been announcing the end of bedslingers in general for a few years now, yet not only do they still work, not only are they still sold in huge numbers, but they are still be8ng developed and improved by OEMs to this day. The same technologies that have made corexy machines so capable also do wonders for other machines as well. People act like their favorite architecture is the latest and greatest, but there's nothing particularly new or groundbreaking about the mechanics themselves, they've just become more practical and usable thanks to advances in firmware software computing power and the sum total of knowledge and experience developed by the community and companies.
@drconflict629 2 ай бұрын
Lmao Prusa isn't growing what are you even talking about? Prusa is old news and will be bankrupt within 10 years if they continue with their complacent attitude. The XL was a massive flop.
@levin55555 2 ай бұрын
the printer is just perfect for me. I've already tried to build a ratrig vcore 3 but failed because of the framework. I just couldn't get it square. I've probably rebuilt it 10 times but never managed to get it to be square. I then gave up and resold the kit for less money. I then built another printer called “the 100” and was thrilled. The assembly went well because the frame was practically rectangular because it was completely 3D printed. now I want a printer that is big and has a lot of potential like a voron. but I'm afraid of spending over 1000 euros again and then failing again because of the frame. But with the printer I have everything I need, just that I can't mess up the setup. I will most likely get it
@MakerViking 2 ай бұрын
Good video Jonathan! I really like this printer, and I'm considering it since I need another larger CoreXY.
@mikenorfleet2235 2 ай бұрын
Was looking at voron build because of its customization, but this is an interesting proposition.
@Pridanc-oj4ot 2 ай бұрын
Appreciate the video. I just might make the jump as I've been holding out for a 2nd printer and this one sure ticks all my boxes. If you find another hotend even better, though for me, not a deal breaker. Stay well.
@suntoxx9667 2 ай бұрын
Knocking over the supports hint at slightly too much flow and the stringing can pretty sure be resolved with a tad less temperature.
@dmax9324 2 ай бұрын
I hope they include the option for a chamber heater along with the filtration you mentioned. Its starting to become very annoying that companies are missing this. Only Qidi is doing this with their printers, and its not under patent protection. Why can't Sovol just add it as an option and have it connected to a panel?
@cpace123 2 ай бұрын
Very hard to decide what printer to get next. Happy with what I have, but I am looking to add a faster printer.
@cyphre 2 ай бұрын
I'm definitely intrigued by a lower cost, easier to setup Voron, but this does sound like a lot of caveats. Like I'm all for adjusting print settings, but sounds like this would ALSO require some updates to the Klipper they are running if there are Z offset or clogging (overpressure) issues. Also doesn't sound like it's completely plug and play. The nozzle is also a huge turnoff, since that is one of those aspects that can literally kill a printer. I guess if it's still "open-source" we could just replace the hot end entirely with a standard Voron setup?
@AG-ex6jc 2 ай бұрын
Well the SV07 is not fully opensource yet. I had to ditch their klipperscreen for a raspberry pi and touchscreen so I can update klipper. And even if you manage to update klipper without bricking it, it’s quite the hassle. To bad that Sovol has not yet made the SV07 fully opensource, it’s the reason I bought it (I still suck at cad design tho haha)
@erik3205 2 ай бұрын
Did you ever make a video on the Trianglelab diamond nozzle? I have been looking at it, but no one revews it.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
I’ve been using it but haven’t done any videos on it yet
@variancehammer246 2 ай бұрын
I was thinking a couple months ago that I'd love a Voron, but there was no way I had the time to build it. This...seems like fulfilling that desire.
@jhvhest 2 ай бұрын
Same thoughts!
@Raytenecks 2 ай бұрын
IMO, if you don't have time to build a Voron, you probably don't have time to maintain and fix it, either. I've spent more time fixing my 2 Vorons than I spent building them, and they're like a year old and were LDO kits. At the time, they were the go-to for speed and quality, but now I've ordered a Bambu. It'll be printing the parts to fix/upgrade my Vorons, among other things. My Vorons are for hobby tinkering, and the Bambu will be mainly for getting things fixed. (And multi-color prints.) I'm very excited to see more Voron things come out, like better probes (Klicky let me down, and Tap isn't *quite* good enough to be standard yet, IMO, though I use it) and MMUs (ERCF V2 is getting there!) and such. Better part cooling on the toolhead is my #1 complaint at the moment, and I'd like to see things like filament cutters and flow sensors standard, like the A1.
@jdoe1917 2 ай бұрын
That extruder looks similar to the orbiter and the sv06 used orbiter 2 internals. Is this the case?
@leogray1091 2 ай бұрын
I am quite surprise nobody made a after market Voron ready to print product till this point. I would say this is finally a voron equivalent I could recomand to other businesses and school labs, as these places must buy finished assembled product so they can point at someone when things failed.
@eternity1243 2 ай бұрын
Formbot already did pretty long time ago Troodon its called
@ScottHess 2 ай бұрын
Formbot was trying with Troodon. They maybe didn’t have the background in designing complete systems, though.
@leeosborne1674 2 ай бұрын
cough formbot troodon 2.0 cough
@connorcleveland9166 2 ай бұрын
Troodon 2.0 only comes as 250mm3 at $649 if memory serves though? Not that it isn't a valid offering
@harambeexpress 2 ай бұрын
Very compelling.
@TwoTreesStudio 22 сағат бұрын
it literally does 12 minute benchys idk what you're on about with this x1 carbon stuff
@filthmaster9936 2 ай бұрын
Great to see this review, its a good example of what happens when a review is biased. None of the bad points of this printer(there are many) get mentioned, such a shame to see a youtuber sell out to a company like this.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, but I don’t think you’re being particularly fair or factual. Not only did I state my bias in disclosures at the beginning, saying that I’d do my best to overcome them anyways), but I also told you guys that my selection as being the first to release a video meant I couldn’t be as thorough as I wanted to be on this machine, and it was more of a first look than a comprehensive review. Nonetheless, I re-recorded parts of the video to add in issues as they came up. I didn’t have and haven’t had issues that some others have had, but I did point out the Z drift issues, nozzle clog issues, and the fact that the profiles need tweaking. Repeatedly. So yeah - I’m the first to accept feedback, but your comment simply isn’t in line with the facts. Disappointing.
@DeFrisselle 2 ай бұрын
I wish all these new printers had better cameras Can a Stealthburner be modded on as a replacement How thick is the heatbed Yeah, maintenance and repairability area a concern
@hassosigbjoernson5738 2 ай бұрын
"I wish all these new printers had better cameras " ... Simply install the one you desire. "Can a Stealthburner be modded on as a replacement" ... Yes, of course. That's the idea of open source. You can replace everything. "How thick is the heatbed" ... For this price obviously not that thick. But you also should be able to fix that. "Yeah, maintenance and repairability area a concern" ... Nope ... because it's not a proprietary system like a Bambu Lab.
@ottersmeep25 2 ай бұрын
This was super informative!
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
Glad you think so!
@ziruszirus1654 2 ай бұрын
The assembly process is really the unique selling point „to me“. Big question is if the gantry parts and toolhead is compatible with the 2.4 (can Voron upgrades be used also for this maschine) and if also the hardware will be open sourced - meaning you can download - remix and mod your printer as is would be the younger brother of a Voron.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
The hardware is absolutely open source
@ziruszirus1654 2 ай бұрын
@@thenextlayer I hate for example the skirts product design (I can guess why they did) but if it’s 100% open source I am not limited to it and just make my own one if I want and how I want. They are giving a good and affordable platform.
@adamh1478 2 ай бұрын
This one, but with a Revo hotend looks like an absolute dream. Hopefully something will materialise further down the line.
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
I don’t see any reason why you wouldn’t be able to change out the hot end. I have some ideas that my sleeve actually.
@chrisbaker3760 2 ай бұрын
As someone who runs a lot of Voron 2.4 printers in my print farm this is extremely tempting!
@bjaurelio 2 ай бұрын
I have an SV03, which I upgraded to from the original SV01. I love the large print volume and all my customizations (dragonfly hotend. nemesis part cooling, btt board, etc.), but I've been thinking about wanting an upgrade to a machine that isn't a bed slinger. I could see one of these in my future since the one thing that's kept me from building a Voron is the price.
@Maine_laser_creations 2 ай бұрын
This is going to be so nice for people like me who cant afford to source all the parts needed to build a voron. I also cant justify spending $1,200 on a 3d printer. But it will definitely be more alluring at $600. I have a heavily modified SV05, and a stock Anycubic Kobra 2 neo, but I've been wanting a corXY printer to see how fast they really are. I print at 300mm/s on my Anycubic, and I can get about 400mm/s out of my klipperized SV05.
@JeffDM 2 ай бұрын
What polycarbonate would print well on a 100C bed? My experience would suggest it would be more adulterant than polycarbonate, likely defeating the point of using polycarbonate.
@schmiddy8433 2 ай бұрын
This is super cool, hope they keep moving down this path of offering unique mass-market printers instead of just copying the biggest trend. I hope they revisit the IDEX printer. I was really strongly considering an SVO4 for a long time but the software integration being rough was a deal breaker for me. I have no problem tinkering away on the hardware front to upgrade my printers, but I hate sitting and fighting with slicers and firmware to get things working properly which is why I ended up going with a P1S with AMS.
@phasesecuritytechnology6573 2 ай бұрын
This is tempting. I am saving up for a troodon 2.0 which is a similar concept . Voron 2.4 350mm preassembled except I get to pick the hotend and stuff. Those go for about $1200. Tough decision now!
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
This is gonna be less than half that dude.
@DmitrySholokhov 2 ай бұрын
What I don't get is 100C limit on the bed in almost all the late printers. Why? Is it because of the Bambu having the same limitation? You would really benefit from 120 or even 130 on the bed when printing pure PA6 оr PC yet it seems manufacturers are inclined to draw the line on carbon or glass-filled filaments. Kinda disappointing.
@connorcleveland9166 2 ай бұрын
In this case it is likely just being overly safe, 3m ht adhesive used to attach a lot of bed heaters is only good to about 120 +/- 10C so the voron guide suggests a 115C thermal fuse. Should be able to easily edit the cfg to up it to 110C. I don't think we've seen the underside of the bed but you can add a ring of RTV gasket silicone to be extra safe and push the temps a bit further no problem.
@LordWiseWolf 2 ай бұрын
Not a fan of the proprietary nozzles. I think they just don’t want me to use a diamond back.
@gcmehojah 2 ай бұрын
What is the print speed? Is it comparable to the Bambu X1 C?
@Enjoymentboy 2 ай бұрын
I'd been on the fence about buying an SV05 for a long time and every time I got a sale email from Sovol I had my finger hovering over the "buy" button. Then they were gone. I'd toyed with the idea of building a voron but I honestly just couldn't justify the time or price when I thought about why I really wanted it. Now I see the SV08 and I'm thinking someone was secretly listening in on my private thoughts and I'm wondering if I should avoid wearing my tinfoil hat more often if this is the result I get. Thank you for this great review. Now I have something else to think about.
@FakcioR 2 ай бұрын
How do you you heat soak the printer without enclosure? Interesting...
@ashleywhitehead3710 2 ай бұрын
It'll be the bed almost certainly.. Printer being so cheap means they have to have cut corners. 1 of them would have been with the bed thickness. I'll put money on it that this will be an ongoing issue for this printer. Look at the issues the Creality K1 Max has with its 300mm tin foil bed. Vorons use a thick bed that has been treated so it has almost warping even at 110c. The bed itself in the vorons cost half as much as this whole printer. There is a reason why vorons cost more. The build spec is much higher than off the shelf printers.
@FakcioR 2 ай бұрын
@@ashleywhitehead3710 Right. I expect to new Z-offset problems appear when people start receiving enclosure for this printer. There's no extrusion backers, so probably they will suffer the same issue as Vorons without them.
@1fareast14 2 ай бұрын
I'd love a version of this that implements the magnetic idex project. Multicolor with just the cost of an extra hotend!
@ashleywhitehead3710 2 ай бұрын
Idex are cool but a tool changer would be much better.
@eaman11 2 ай бұрын
Sovol has done a really good thing, that printer will be upgradable and industrial premade kit with injection parts are good.
@HopeThisWorks 2 ай бұрын
I have a Trident. I had been looking at the 2.4. With the specs and capacity of Sovol's SV08, the price point, and the ease of setup, I can't justify a 2.4. Some LDO supers will fix the motor whine, and fan replacement would be in order.
@ChivasKimber 2 ай бұрын
Might look into this
@peterboy209 2 ай бұрын
Wow, i like it. Hope the Flashforge 5 quickswap system will make it into more machines. Bravo Sovol 👍
@Brian_H_42 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly the innovation competition I was hoping for after bambu lab released their first printer. I'm so tired of all these sub-par, barely bigger than an ender 3, and in some cases rushed printers that companies keep releasing.
@gerGoPrint3D 2 ай бұрын
The T300 has the same nozzle! I was perplexed why they changed nozzle from T500 (which was compatible with SV06+, SV07/+). Now all is clear: this is SOVOL's new standard!
@motoformprototyping 2 ай бұрын
As a Voron has never been on my radar I ask myself this, is the 08, with enclosure, a good alternative to Qidi X-max3 and other printers in that segment ??
@CodeBroRob 2 ай бұрын
not that i own any of the products, i do own a voron 2.4 r2 tho. but the 08 definitely is better than the qidi if this is raw klipper. but that being said, the issues he mentioned aren't as easy to fix as a voron and you will likely need to mod a lot to get it quiet and easily swap the extruder for a v6 as example. aside that, i doubt it's easy to add a carbon filter or nevermore filter with activated coal as example, or to print replacement parts, so for half the price of a 250x250 2.4 r2 i'd consider still looking at voron, because ASA is actually a pretty neato material to print with from personal experience
@Liberty-scoots 2 ай бұрын
Can i use it to make another one?
@newCrysis 2 ай бұрын
Ahh! my next printer. When the 9,999 price drops a bit. 😊
@thenextlayer 2 ай бұрын
It’s under 600… not sure why they do that lol. I hope you’ll consider using my link if and when you do purchase as it helps support the channel!
@awesomecronk7183 2 ай бұрын
@@thenextlayer wdym by that, it litereally says $9,999.99 on their website
@zacharyrau 2 ай бұрын
@@awesomecronk7183 That's just a price they put while the listing is a draft. Once it is able to be purchased it will correct it. Similar to Facebook marketplace when people put 12,345,678 as the price. Just disregard the price and when it goes live it'll be under 600
@awkwardsaxon9418 2 ай бұрын
@@thenextlayerI actually clicked the link because I couldn't wait to find out the price and I assumed it's 1k for the rest of the video lol. Smart move to tease the price in your end but they did themselves a bit of a disservice with their website not set up correctly.
@kalmenbarkin5708 2 ай бұрын
@@awesomecronk7183it’s a placeholder for their system. Lots of retail systems will do that when they want to get a SKU up and running for website testing/display purposes but don’t want anyone to actually purchase it yet
@geauxracerx 2 ай бұрын
100% on the give me a V6 Volcano with a round ceramic heater. Press fit a threaded steel sleeve in the round Ceramic heater. That seems like an accomplishable design.
@StephenWestrip 2 ай бұрын
My concern with this printer is the hotend. Sovol’s hotends have been extremely budget in other machines. I hope for something better with the SV08.
@lajoyalobos2009 2 ай бұрын
Looks very promising. I'd love to build my own bambu to avoid their closed ecosystem and a voron/ratrig/HEVO would be the way to go but this is a good shortcut, with a few mods needed. I can't help but Frankenstein every printer I touch apparently. I think I could get a CHC running volcano nozzles on that thing if I poked around it for a while. I'm also sure someone is bound to get an ERCF working on this thing sooner or later.
@KenDilas01 2 ай бұрын
Very impressive printer!! Im saving up for one as we speak!
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