Yes would love to get the shaft in the other brands

Have been playing a 9° Callaway turned down to 7°. Went to a PXG fitting and the fitter put me in a 7° turned up to 8°. Noticeably improved

A very interesting comment. That should have a significant & important factor when you get fitted for a driver. I have had some good conscientious pros & also some who just wanted my money. eg Putting 6 layers of tape on my irons when I changed from playing hockey & cricket to golf. I was used to thick grips for those games & DID NOT know how it effected the flight of the ball. When a new golf pro took over at my home club he told me my custom fitted clubs were NOT suitable for a person with normal sized hands.

@@alangoudie2299 that's an Interesting point about grip size, I changed to JumboMax Grips 18 months ago and absolutely LOVE them and I will never go back to using "normal" sized grips.

@@seanpeacock5595 Interestingly it was a PXG fitter that fitted me in a 9* turned up to 10.5*, for me it works like like magic👍👍

@@alangoudie2299 getting good advice is key, I went for a fitting with pro I was having lessons with I was so inconsistent he said none of them were right even though the ping was best performing. It’s strange that reducing loft opens the face as he increased loft to close face to try and combat my slice / push. An honest pro worth their weight in gold

Based on your request then yes I will Lars

Yep there is a degree of compromise 👍

There is no doubt that the G430 launches high, some comments on here attribute that launch due to the shaft and yes it plays a part but Ping want these drivers to launch high and they have achieved there aim, as you have found even with the lower spinning results you achieved with different shaft, thanks for interesting feedback

Thanks for personal feedback

What swing speed is ideal for the stealth2? Not sure of my swing speed. I have the g425 driver. I hit it 240-280 yd. It is forgiving. Ball flight goes mid to high.I tried stealth2 3 wood. Love it. 220-240 off the deck. Now i am curious if the stealth2 driver would suit me better if there is twenty yards to gain

@@joshuak5757 I think what David is getting at is most amateur golfers don’t hit their drives consistently with a neutral (or low) sidespin. Having low backspin numbers with drives that have a lot of sidespin magnifies those slices and hooks. A driver that has a bit more backspin could help lessen that to some degree. But he did say swing speed, so perhaps he is pointing out golfers with sub 90mph swing speeds won’t get much carry out of it. I think he was also pointing out the sidespin issue without actually naming it though. I’m no expert on swing speeds, but I don’t think swing speed is the critical factor in determining which of these two might be ideal for you. I would think club head loft, shaft stiffness and weight might be more important there. I think your typical sidespin variation may be the determining factor. At least that’s how my fitter explained it to me when I got fitted for the G430 Max. Yes… I suck and need all the help I can get 😂 I tried the Paradym and Stealth as well as the G430 LST, but the Max version did help me get it a bit straighter a bit more consistently due to my own personal issues which may be different from others who would benefit more from the other brands.

Thanks for this feedback and backs up what I found in the on course test 👍

He said he lofted the Ping down and the Stealth up to give only a 1/2 degree difference

Interesting Geoff and thanks

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNqVf9tjusDDYn0.html Watch the Mobile club fitter video. Taylormade may have changed slightly now

Yes I much prefer the shorter shaft

I totally agree with your comments David, it is like the G430 a solid driver, Ping make great clubs and the adjustments that you refer to allow for changes moving forward

can always sell the 425 and put that money towards the 430. but the 425 is still a great driver

At £400+ aiming for ten years is a good plan. As others have said ping hold value and have a great reputation re service and warranty. The adjustability should also be used as your game changes and over ten years it almost certainly will

Yes a great idea 👍

Nice bit of winter sun ☀️

Thanks for feedback, love to hear when fellow golfers have tried the product

Whereas in reality…..on the course the low spin isn’t affecting performance? I have played stealth OG all year and never hit so many fairways, golfers are obsessed with data and I agree it’s important but sometimes reality has shown me that spin more than any piece of data is questionable in real time performance, I have seen this so much with data from irons as well

Good luck Brett

@@TheAverageGolfer many thanks pal 🤞

Totally agree but the carrot is to chase distance

Bullshite

@@billryan8707 taken 4 strokes off mine. Started finding fairways all of a sudden. Crazy how well it works. I’ve had the same driver for 3 years and found more fairways last year then in the two previous years combined and on the length of the shaft changed.

That analogy is spot on,I originally had a Nippon ns pro regio formula mb 65 gram stiff shaft at standard length in my stealth driver and at times I couldn’t stop it from going right even with it up I’m the upright setting,so I changed shafts to a kbs td tour driven catagory 3 60 gram and when I cut it too what I thought was standard I accidentally cut it 3/4 inch too short😳,but that was the luckiest stuff up I ever did as the 1st time I used it I hit every fairway on the front 9 and finished up hitting 10/14 fairways,and considering I’m a 17 handicap player I’ll take that every day of the week and won’t be changing shafts anytime soon

@@michaelgillies9075 I couldn’t agree more. Cutting down the shaft change my entire golf game and outlook.

Yes and perhaps the 9 degree head

Did you watch in full? the driver lofts are adjusted Jacques

@@TheAverageGolfer oooops, must of missed that. Sorry and please continue to give us such good videos. Have you ever played in Canada?

@@jacquesvilleneuve754 no but it is a country I would love to visit

Lofts had been adjusted Guy

@@TheAverageGolfer ah ok, will the G430!certainly is a high launch club looking at shot tracers, watched this on my phone so the dry ball data couldn’t read. Could be a demon downwind

Interesting that you find similar

Shafts don’t change between brands as different fittings, I am trying to get the shaft for all driver manufacturers 👍

I know. We need a regulator for universal fittings across brands 😂😂😂

funny how people pay more attention to the data than on course performance

My swing speed when collecting data is circa 98-100mph but I believe on course that would drop to 95 mph

@The Average Golfer thanks Andy appreciate it...keep up the good vids always enjoyed them 👍

If I analysed data as you have done I would draw the same conclusion BUT the on course performance contradicts the data or at least questions the validity and accuracy of spin data, in the video and throughout last 12 months I’ve not found so many fairways with my driver and shaft combo. You also have seen numerous videos whereby the spin data on my irons is hideously low but also seen many on course Vlogs and never have I had issues holding greens, so I try to draw a balanced opinion and not one that places all emphasis on data 👍

I love the CB Alta shafts, always played them in my G400max 👍

@@TheAverageGolfer Love it in my G410 fairway and hybrids. Can't see upgrading, though I have had to add a TM Sim 3UDI to replace the hybrid in windy conditions. That high launch alta cb is great, until you need a nice low runner. My G425 has a Kai'Li white in it, to avoid all that. Sort of stinks as a content creator, that you almost have to buy like 7 of the same shaft, but with different adaptors just to placate annoying people on YT (like myself occasionally, apologies!) when doing comparison videos. You really do hit that fit TaylorMade shaft solidly!

@@RansomGetty I am trying to get the shaft of most of the manufacturers we test

@@TheAverageGolfer It's why your channel is one of my favs on YT! 👍

It is Proforce V2 55HL mate

@@TheAverageGolfer cheers pal

Low spin = high ball speed

@@brianbentz9143 correct. Was just pointing out that The lower loft will make the spin lower and Increase the ball speed.

Iron Byron’s play golf do they Geoffrey?

@@TheAverageGolfer No they just provide a repetitive swing for a true test of a club all else being equal. Just expressing a frustration with new drivers at ludicrous expense every year with no real proof of year over year improvement from previous years. Your point about the clubs making the game better for the average golfer I understand, especially technology helping in the longer clubs and hybrids. I get it, but the driver category is a harder sell especially at todays prices going up and up every year.

@@geoffreypleavin5268 I don’t understand anyone’s frustration, the prices are hideous, agreed, surely you just don’t buy the drivers?

@@TheAverageGolfer no I don’t, I have a old ping 410 driver and looking to upgrade maybe this year to a 430, just trying to get a feel for the claimed length gains all the new drivers they are claiming? however your reviews of the 9 wood, and the other longer iron replacements are also tweaking my interest. As an aging average golfer they seem to make more and more sense. Just a note on KZfaq, we seem to be getting more and more scam replies asking us to contact them, after we are issuing comments.

Unfortunately not Davy

@@TheAverageGolfer I might be in the market for a new driver. If I get one I’ll fit the V2 shaft and see how it performs over the stock version

@@TheAverageGolfer follow up - have you tried a v2 shaft in a fairway wood? How do you think that would work?

Stealth 2 standard

Should be standard but I don’t know the full offering this year

😂👍

Yes but the lofts were adjusted Jesse

@@TheAverageGolfer sorry I should have known you would make the test even. I love and trust your videos.

@@jesseross3794 no problem, the biggest discrepancy is the different shafts but at least it acts as some sort of guide

You clearly didn’t watch the video, the lofts were adjusted to match 🤦‍♂️ maybe pay more attention before commenting

@@TheAverageGolfer Here’s an idea! Why don’t you try the same exact test with 10.5 stealth adjusted and a 9° Ping and see if you get the same result! 🤯