Front Suspension | Fox Body Mustang Hot Rod Build

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Front Suspension | Fox Body Mustang Hot Rod Build

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On this episode of The Fab Forums I start on the front suspension of the Fox Body Mustang Hot Rod build. Motor mounts, front A arms, and rack and pinion.
Welcome to The Fab Forums. My name is Kyle Voss and I produce Custom Motorsports Fabrication content of all forms for you. Carbon Fiber, TIG Welding, Metal Shaping, Hot Rods, Muscle Cars, Custom Choppers, and everything in between. I work hard to bring you new content on a weekly basis.
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@LeonMc48 4 жыл бұрын

I need to stop binge watching you channel. you're inspiring me to finish all my projects...which i cant afford.

@scottbisi9666 6 жыл бұрын

Oh man new episode I love this channel because fabricating actually happens

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Scott Bisi lol..awesome

@knightbreed388 6 жыл бұрын

never clicked so fast. Im so excited to see this thing coming together. Ive said this before but you're one of my biggest inspirations. Im teaching myself how to weld currently and im practicing fabricating shit so i can go and work at my friend's race shop in june. Im looking at buying a project to build on the side to use as an exhibit to showcase what ill (hopefully) be capable of in a couple of years when i can hopefully open my own shop. Keep up the amazing work. youre an inspiration to us all.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thats awesome man....glad I can do my part

@MLFranklin 5 жыл бұрын

I love this concept and you're doing an awesome job of making it awesome. I look forward to seeing its completion.

@groomlake51 6 жыл бұрын

Catching up on fab forums while I’m traveling to the winter nationals in Pomona . Thank for the entertainment I hate air ports

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

sweet! good luck

@The_McPorkchop 6 жыл бұрын

Those motor mounts are sick

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Christopher McDowell thanks

@The95dime 6 жыл бұрын

wow, those motor mounts are for sure a work of art. i love your thought process. it is amazing and encouraging.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks man

@callmenortnortin467 6 жыл бұрын

Certainly is an ambitious project you have going on! Very enjoyable to watch a skilled craftsman

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

yeah for sure....thanks

@LikeZO 6 жыл бұрын

I'm motivated to go work on my car now!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

awesome....I did my job

@jlkelly304 6 жыл бұрын

Seems like something that will be showcased at SEMA. Pretty cool work Kyle!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+James Kelly thanks

@finlay230 6 жыл бұрын

just awsome, as always !!!!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@allendodson9881 6 жыл бұрын

Perched..........Sweet. looking Good Kyle. Can not wait till the next update. Well got to go do some work........SON. See you soon.

@brianswanke4639 6 жыл бұрын

That thing is coming along nicely....I think I am starting to see what you visioned and I am liking it! Good job man!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@larryfitch8787 6 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you tackle the front suspension. For the rear hyd. ram clamps, why not make them out of the same tubing you used for the mounts. Just slit the tubing length-wise (about 1-2" long piece) and weld on some tabs to each side of the slit. Drill (and tap?) a couple holes and tighten using 1/4"-3/8" dia. capscrews. You could make the clamps and mounts all one piece, but I think you final welded the mounting tabs to the tubes already. Others have already raised my questions about the attachment points on your front cross tube/rod ends, and likely issues with bump steer. No need to repeat here. Those motor mounts should work very well. Thanks for sharing your video.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thats a good idea, I may do that. and yeah bump steer will be an issue I will have to try and resolve. Or redo it

@boop890 6 жыл бұрын

Hands down One of my favorite builds

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+boop890 thanks

@danielblack8497 6 жыл бұрын

Im really diggin it. Its gonna sweet

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@TCreatorO 6 жыл бұрын

I would just clear coat all the tubing, no need for paint, that thing looks badass like that

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

yeah thats whats going to happen

@alexx7910 6 жыл бұрын

Oh new video up, time to stop everything and watch it!!! You know, I keep repeating my self but damn your work is just perfection!!!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks man

@rickcrusenberry7027 6 жыл бұрын

Great work as always. Love the channel. Following along on this build from day one.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@brianvisek 6 жыл бұрын

looks awesome man

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@knightbreed388 6 жыл бұрын

Also, massive congratulations on the new property! it's gonna be so sick to have a proper workshop 10 seconds from the house, and all that land to have meets and stuff... You're living the dream, ive only got a one-car carport at our townhouse that my 1997 mitsubishi mirage hatchback can barely fit in haha

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@jimmac1953 6 жыл бұрын

Lovin' the build! Very impressive. I'm going to start a Miata build for SCCA Autocross either DM or EM class. Will be quite a bit of hacking and fab'ing. You've inspired me!!! Looking forward updates on your progress.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thats awesome, glad I could help

@genefoster7238 6 жыл бұрын

Hey my friend I witched you hand drill the 1/2 inch plate its not easy. You don't need one every day but a magnetic drill is good to have around.Loving the build see you Friday.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

yeah....I usually use the drill press but didnt want to take my notcher out

@hoagiesherlin7732 6 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah man its comming together that thing is gonna be so badass !!!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@vanderhoof5701 6 жыл бұрын

The project's looking good. 👍 Thanks for the vid on the Eastwood Contour SCT. I've wanted something like this for the last 20 years and they were all in the 800.00 or more range. I purchased the SCT a couple months ago and it has more than met my expectations for its price point.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thats awesome

@Eddiebayes177 6 жыл бұрын

Crazy !

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@joesilvasr9733 5 жыл бұрын

I was secretly hoping that you chose the sleeved connection for the hydraulic cylinders versus welding tabs directly to the body of the cyl.

@Urchfab 6 жыл бұрын

Looking sweet mate

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@waden404 6 жыл бұрын

Love love love the progress vids. Thank u.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@knucklehead69deland 6 жыл бұрын

Gonna go do work son! As always love the uploads.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@MrMadkaw400 6 жыл бұрын

Love the bibster keep it going

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+jim isaacs thanks

@Santiago-iv7oi 6 жыл бұрын

It's coming out nice God bless

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+1962 Santiago thanks

@user-NACA99 6 жыл бұрын

Good

@alialdoseri7053 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome episode man thanks for sharing.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Ali aldoseri thanks

@ajaxracing 6 жыл бұрын

sick loving this fox buggy

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@allendodson9881 6 жыл бұрын

Kyle hope you have some KILLFAD Decals and Hats at Pits. I'am disabled but you really inspire me to keep myself moving, not trying to give you a sob story, but i really love your Videos your work is amazing. Love your Personality.........well got to try and get up and go do some work ........SON

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks man....I am sure I will have some stuff at PITS

@rustykrys888 6 жыл бұрын

Dude, sick as fuck. I can’t believe all the time and thought u put into this project. At first when u said u were gonna make a hot rod I didn’t know what to think and images flashed through my mind of some abortion but Fak u fooled me! I can’t wait to see the finished product. I would love to one day see this in person, it’s really got my curiosity now! 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻 great job. Ur fab skills are on another level bro.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think most didnt really know where I was going with this

@braddock001 6 жыл бұрын

those are some nice welds Sir!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+braddock001 thanks

@ironbilly53 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was cringing at that steering geometry too but I'm sure you'll pull it off Kyle PS love the motor mounts

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+ironbilly53 Yeah if not I'll change it

@Leofred2000 6 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to see how much bumpsteer u get

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Leofred Yeah it will need to be addressed...gonna have very little bump so hopefully it won't have much bump steer

@thedirtheretic2728 6 жыл бұрын

You can always run it on nascar style bump stops😂

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

yeah because its going to be so light I thing it will probably be over sprung

@Leofred2000 6 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, but one inch of suspension travel can turn into 30 degrees of steering really quick

@karlnash7105 3 жыл бұрын

I've been watching for a few vids. Really enjoying seeing your process to build. Can tell that you have a pretty clear vision. Question: is this suspension set up function well on a road course as well as a straight line drag pull? What would be the difference if you wanted a road/auto cross suspension? Just curious because I don't know.

@MsWojtekwojtek 6 жыл бұрын

Zazdroszczę ci, robisz to co lubię😊 I greet you😊😊😊

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

awesome

@richardknapp9491 6 жыл бұрын

Your awsome love your Chanel!!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@drewalsup9200 6 жыл бұрын

I cant wait to see how the body is going to tie into the rest of this project. Are you going to pinch the nose and do a modern version of an old hotrod front end where it tapers to a small sort of nose grille? You could since the radiator is in the back. just watching i can say that the skill set that you have is quite a notch or two above alot of peoples. I learn alot from watching your build process.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Drew Alsup the nose will remain wide open...basically as you see it

@jackkirmond7834 6 жыл бұрын

I love watching this and look forward to each episode. I also love the music, this episode has some great instrumental stuff around the 8 min mark, who, what, where n when please?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

Its all audio from the youtube audio library

@DodgyBrothersEngineering 6 жыл бұрын

When I first say the engine mounts I thought something doesn't look quite right there, like they might be a bit flimsy on the vertical, but I guess once you factor in the front hoop bit that triangulates the mount. That should be plenty solid.

@jacobsidorov 6 жыл бұрын

awesome

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@curtisfisher4852 6 жыл бұрын

Looking great man good skills just my opinion I'm in the lowrider world when you mounted the cylinders you may want to put an plastic polyurethane washers between the cylinders and mount bracket in cause when you drive the vibration gonna hear squeaking noise.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

the entire car is solid mounted so its gonna make all kinds of noises....plus it will be open exhaust right off the turbo so...

@stevesolo16 6 жыл бұрын

There is a geometric formula for the spindle/tie rod location to the rear hub on the opposing side and the diff. Google Ackerman Steering Geometry. Look into it so the steering control is the best it can be.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah I set the ackerman

@dmanero 6 жыл бұрын

do you eye ball all these ideas, or have you already drawn up a blueprint of how you would like the chassis to be fabricated?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Dima Knight eye ball...I have a basic plan in my head

@jesscneal 6 жыл бұрын

Kyle, great looking fab work as always but that a-arm/rack combination is going to have terrible bump steer depending on how much travel there is. For something that narrow on the lower a arm mounts you should be using a sandrail steering rack.

@metalfruttolo9855 6 жыл бұрын

Same thought...ugly bump steer is one of the worst feelings when driving. Also why no "anti crush" bung through the tube where you bolt the front uniballs?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Jess Neal yeah I agree...it will have very little travel though. I'll just have to get as minimal as I can.

@jesscneal 6 жыл бұрын

Sounds good Kyle. Even with as little as 2" of travel that setup will have bump steer. Having your toe change even 1/4" at speed is not good. Everything else is lookin pretty neat so far :)

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

With the length of these tie rods its only gonna be a change of about 1/8 for 4 inches of travel. The lower control arms will also basically be on the inward arc the way they will be positioned. reducing that to even less than 1/8 inch. If I end up have issues once its done I will just move the heims out closer to the pivot points of the rack.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

No need for anti crush its moly plus it doesn't have to be He-Man tight

@frednewman2162 6 жыл бұрын

Kyle, maybe I have missed it and if I have maybe direct me to that episode! 'How are you aligning axles with frame and axles with each other to to have car track correctly and true? Do you have some kind of gauge setup that keeps axles perpendicular to frame and then parallel with each other?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

I have done rough alignment buy pulling string. Everything I build is adjustable so I can fine tune it later.

@JD_JoyrideTV 6 жыл бұрын

This thing is going to be badass when it’s done. Is it going to be ready for Mustang Week?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+JD JoyrideTV thanks...it won't be finished but may be there anyway.

@Garageless 6 жыл бұрын

Your builds are fucking sick!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Garageless thanks

@Garageless 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums np... i strive to achieve your quality... im limited my harbor freight welder and grinder... but i try lol

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Garageless No shame in that

@Garageless 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums im proud and trust my welds... my fieros chassis is held together with harbor freight 110v flux core welder welds... dod my partial tubechassis with it as well

@19664u 6 жыл бұрын

Cars looking great. I was wondering why on the arm mounts you didn't run your standoffs all the way through the chassis tube? I would be concerned with the compressing and bolts developing play in there mounting

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

Its moly...it wont compress. All the loads will be side loads as anyway so it doesn't have to be He-Man tight

@kennydidntdie6370 6 жыл бұрын

Lookin good i was hopin to see what you was doing with the front wheel spindles cause i seen in your last video that you had cut one and was wondering why you didnt just swap sides with them so that the steering hooked on the back side

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

swapping sides wouldn't work for several reasons. The strut alignment would be way off, the ackerman would be wrong and the brake caliper wouldn't be in the proper place

@mattboyd5024 6 жыл бұрын

#weldporn you mad so crazy progress brother

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@RedDFilm 6 жыл бұрын

Just curious, why not use a drill press instead of hand held drills?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

because my notcher was in it

@jameskauffman8405 6 жыл бұрын

Looks great and the build is coming along. Question: Do you fore see any issues with the radiator mounted so close in proximity to the driver and passenger compartment?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

no it will all be separated by sheet metal.

@MrLangleylad 6 жыл бұрын

It sure is coming along nicely Kyle . One question , you know more about your front suspension points than I do obviously . The front cross tube that connects the frame rails , Is it going to be strong enough as it is just welded to the rails . I would think a inner sleeve plug welded through the frame rails would be in order. Just my thoughts , I no engineer by any means .

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+mike jones thanks...it will experience very little load.

@geovaniaalves637 6 жыл бұрын

Boa noite amigo faz umas temporadas dubladas pra gente q fala o português pq a qui no brasil curtimos bastante seus videos.

@celsoguajardovillarreal 6 жыл бұрын

excelente trabajo, esta quedando muy bien, . saludos.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

thanks

@raycurren3639 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Can't wait to see more. HOW did you learn to do this stuff!? It would be cool as shit with a stock 5.0 in it. Your putting a big HP turbo motor in it???? I'll look forward to more vids. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Ray Curren self taught and yeah a turbo 351w

@corbinmarks5688 6 жыл бұрын

is the steering column still the factory one or is it an aftermarket one?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

Factory one...will most likely strip it and change the wheel though

@davejames2015 6 жыл бұрын

At the beginning what song is it?

@amacca995 6 жыл бұрын

Not worried about sparks jumping into the intake manifold?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

all that is coming off

@curtisschmit680 6 жыл бұрын

u could just run limiting straps

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+curtis schmit yeah

@CodeGTR1 6 жыл бұрын

What is that drilling jig you used on the pipe?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mp-ehZyiq9qod4k.html

@t.money1196 6 жыл бұрын

What color is the chassis gonna be black? And what colors you thinking for the car itself?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Yourcontentsux everything will most likely be bare metal. ( cleared or protected)

@alexbessonov5397 6 жыл бұрын

are you no worried that the front tube will crush when you tighten the bolts. i don't know if you've considered installing sleeves in the tubing.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+alex bessonov moly is extremely rigid

@mitchdenner9743 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums is there an echo in here?

@BramBiesiekierski 6 жыл бұрын

I also worry about the tube not having inside crush tubes on it where the bolts go through. The tube only has to compress a MM or so and then the bolt is no longer tight. Once that happens it wont take long for the front arms to flap around and munch up the bolts, and holes. The front arms will have a lot of force through them.

@Iain240 6 жыл бұрын

Bump steer city.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Iain Yeah if it had bump...travel will be very limited

@luckautofab4461 6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking it up in my mind you was goin to run a solid axle up front.. with mustang spindles and struts... Have you came up with any ideas for lifting and lowering the frontend hydraulically like you have the rear?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Kevin Luck I was but I ran into some steering issues

@luckautofab4461 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums O ok I'm curious to see what you have in mind for the struts setup Ive had about a few ideas how you could adjust it hydraulically like the rear..

@luckautofab4461 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums You should talk to Robert over at hyperformance, I'm sure he probably has some cool ideas about the body if you looking to paint it and some metal shaping

@lothar_8615 6 жыл бұрын

are those wheels the one that will be on the bibbster ?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Lothar _86 yeah

@lothar_8615 6 жыл бұрын

Will look nice for sure

@wesleymccoy441 6 жыл бұрын

what wheels and tires are those

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

they are 20 inch Strada wheels with staggered tires

@Alexskrzypek 6 жыл бұрын

1:45...anybody wait for Eye of the Tiger to start playing....

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

sounds very similar

@jodybarrett8832 6 жыл бұрын

Or Edge of Seventeen for that matter

@LukeTheJoker 6 жыл бұрын

Loving the build, very cool! Not knowing how the rest of the front suspension works yet, but it looks like the rack is far wider than your lower A arm mounts, will the rack ends be in plane with the upper and lower suspension arm pivot points to prevent major bump steer issues?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

@LukeTheJoker 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums Awesome, figured you probably had it sorted! 😉

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+LukeTheJoker lol...I don't, but if it sucks I'll change it. Not gonna let it cripple me.

@mitchdenner9743 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums there must be an echo in here.

@LukeTheJoker 6 жыл бұрын

mitch denner There was no comments when I started watching the video, after the video I pulled out my vehicle design books to double check my memory before saying anything. I noticed after posting my question that there were others similar, but mine gave a bit more information in case changes did need to be made.

@rafatrill 6 жыл бұрын

Badass are u going to do a roll cage to the top?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

I worked on some a pillar bars...but considering leaving them out now

@rafatrill 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums it would be much safer if u added a roll cage and honestly ur already caging most of it

@KorysRides 6 жыл бұрын

Oil filter just damaged from moving it around, or is it "clearanced"?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

"clearenced" the one I will be using is shorter

@williamchambers1465 6 жыл бұрын

Are the cylinders fully compressed ?? That’s a awful long shaft if so.

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

no they are fully extended

@williamchambers1465 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums oh ok. Was just thinking about that while you were building the mounts

@MRGF78 6 жыл бұрын

Where'd you find your hydraulic rams???

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

www.coolcars.org/ and www.hopposonline.com/

@marshalleng1933 6 жыл бұрын

With those mounts being solid like that will it make the car much stiffer with a bunch of nvh? Like on normal car the oem mounts have rubber or poly to have some give...

@jodybarrett8832 6 жыл бұрын

It's a hotrod, not a cadillac... not sure if what you posted was a question or a statement, but yes solid mounting any driveline component to a chassis will cause nvh. Either way, you don't build a project like this for comfort.

@marshalleng1933 6 жыл бұрын

Jody Barrett thanks for being a dick. It was a question. I don't know custom stuff like this. That's why the 'question' was worded horribly 🖕

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Marshall Eng not sure what nvh is but yeah it's gonna feel like a go cart

@marshalleng1933 6 жыл бұрын

The Fab Forums thanks Kyle! I just wasn't 100% sure how that would all work. Love the vids and love learning. Nvh is noise, vibration, harshness.🙏

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

+Marshall Eng No problem...I'm sure it's gonna have a ton of that nvh 😉

@ButBigger42 6 жыл бұрын

I thought this was going to be an offroad buggy?

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

no Hot Rod

@llBurnsll 6 жыл бұрын

Not to be a vagina here, but the hoodie strings at 12:48 near the dangerous rotating equipment made me nervous. We need you alive to make more videos!

@Thefabforums 6 жыл бұрын

I like to live on the edge