Cheap Gun vs Expensive Gun ft. Baikal

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2 жыл бұрын

We found the best Baikal we could to see if it was in any way lovable...
We place it against a Longthorne Sporter, which is absolutely delectable, to see if the best of Baikal can make either of us smile (spoiler - it did)
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@TonyisToking 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the same with any hobby. When you spoil yourself with the best, it’s hard to go back. But if this is what you have, you’re gonna use it effectively and enjoy it.

@tgsoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Here here

@blindfredy6128 Жыл бұрын

Well said Toni as a working class Aussie bloke, wife kids mortgage I could not imagine paying 12,000 pound for a shotgun. Bloody hell if no kids, no wife, no bloody mortgage I can’t imagine paying 12,000 quid for any bloody firearm. Some people have far too much money and the arrogance to go along with it. The shorter bloke had a better attitude, it wasn’t flash so enjoy it the tall bloke might hav spoken betterer but reeked of upper class arrogance, I didn’t realise the Poms still had that.

@JamesChurchill3 8 ай бұрын

Yep, I spent 75 of my finest pounds on a single trigger, multi choke Baikal, goes bang every time i pull the trigger, doesnt seem to kick me around any more than any other gun I've shot, I spent more in shells the first time I used it. Trigger is decent enough, I've done some polishing on the sears and it's improved it a decent amount, fits me well enough however am going to be fitting an adjustable comb kit once i have the parts machined, just for a bit of bling more than anything. Best £75 I've ever spent.

@sibcartel Жыл бұрын

Классное видео! У нас в России эти ружья передаются по наследству от отца к сыну. И есть различные модификации с эжектором и одним спусковым крючком. Ах да, Baikal это экспортное имя, а в России просто Иж27 или mp27 (с 2008 года).

@madgeordie4469 2 жыл бұрын

I own two Baikals. I am not an expert shot by any measure but both guns do what it says on the tin. They will break clays and bring in game for the pot. They are simple, no frills weapons designed to do the job. They are not elegant or particularly good looking guns but they are unbelievably robust and reliable, easy to maintain and thrive on neglect. I would not swap either for a Browning, Winchester or Beretta - they are my kind of gun.

@MrAlanbooker 2 жыл бұрын

You don't sound mad?

@Trevor_Austin 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAlanbooker I put cartridges in my Baikal, they go bang and clays break and birds come down. I also don’t have to worry about or be precious about my gun. Mine also fits me well. More importantly though, I could afford it.

@MrAlanbooker 2 жыл бұрын

@@Trevor_Austin Trevor, no argument about the Baikal at all. Totally get that different folk's use different strokes. I will try to send you a private message.

@martinhambleton5076 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the early 80s, a friend of mine had an under and over Baikal, which had articulated trigger. Though it had two triggers, you could pull the front trigger twice if you wanted too. He shot tens of thousands through it and big pigeon days at our place. I haven't seen him for must be twenty years, and wouldn't be at all surprised if he still has it. If only for sentimental reasons, as it was his first gun. He kept it immaculate all the time and was forever cleaning and polishing. Hi Graham if you're watching!

@pbgd3 2 жыл бұрын

my baikal had a single but it shot bottom then top but if you push the trigger forwards it shoots top bottom

@martinhambleton5076 2 жыл бұрын

@@pbgd3 His was double trigger but you could use it like a single trigger by pulling the front one twice, which is the obvious choice. I am guessing it would have been 1978-79 or 80 when he had it brand new. He was so proud of it and looked after it like a new born baby. That gun had more cleaning products, oil and gun grease than you could ever imagine.

@pbgd3 2 жыл бұрын

@@martinhambleton5076 Ya guns are very cool because of those oddities. The history of actions and triggers and locks is so vast and then you look at how it was interpreted in other countries. We think of classic shotguns and england, spain, the US, but then you see unique variants in Russia and then also adaptations all over. And many of the adaptations are for something specific. I suspect his old gun had fixed chokes and probably a really tight second barrel so that the rear trigger was really more of a turkey choke. Still had 2 shots with the front but then 1 very tight second shot.

@martinhambleton5076 2 жыл бұрын

@@pbgd3 That's right. The top barrel was like super full compared to the full choke on my Miroku. While out shooting pigeons, Graham second barreled one at about 35 yards, when we picked it up the bottom of the wad was sticking out of its chest. Clay shooting was the same, the top barrel on incomers would be turned into soot.

@taneliheikkila8276 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Baikal. I got it after my uncle passed away. It is a right handed gun, which I just recently modified by bending the stock with hot oil and a special purpose made jig. It fits like a glove (soviet army glove) and I have shot a lot of game with it. It's a hammer.

@gnarshread 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a "Pimp my Bakal" series to see how much you could improve one.

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

Cant polish a turd mate

@Rob.N771 2 жыл бұрын

Yea I'd be up to watch that to.

@Rob.N771 2 жыл бұрын

@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 nor can we all drop thousands on a set of steel pipes. Good for you if you can. We are all shooters, unless there's suddenly a minimum shotgun/ rifle value to allow entry to the sport/ hobby.

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@@Rob.N771 All I said was there crap ,,, I've shot a lot of guns in my time some good some crap and BY GOD THERE CRAP .

@jennybaker7993 2 жыл бұрын

@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 you can roll it in glitter though.

@ilganis 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry i dont agree with you ..as a 40 years baikal user i would say baikal guns one of the most durable guns of world..yes are they heavy and coarse but mechanically never let you down in any harsh weather and condition especially cold winter days

@Tommyfecky 2 жыл бұрын

A dear friend of mine, in the wilds of West Ireland , swore that Baikal were the only gunmaker capable of standing up to the prevailing atlantic conditions of Connemara. Determined to prove him wrong I accompanied him on a snipe/woodcock foray only to discover he used his trusty Baikal as a temporary crossbeam to haul people out of the endless bogholes, me included...

@1valg 2 жыл бұрын

A Baikal is a hammer. It gets the job done. On the russian (and other) countryside it puts meat on the table :-)

@Rob.N771 2 жыл бұрын

Own 3 baikals, never let me down yet, and for me they just work. And most I paid was 50 quid.

@geraldswain3259 2 жыл бұрын

You were robbed. ! .

@Rob.N771 2 жыл бұрын

@@geraldswain3259 less than they paid in the vid tho. If your a broke hobbyist (I am) there fine. Then again I rag on Harley owners.

@jaressweatybiffle1111 2 жыл бұрын

Spot on Rob, not Every man can put thousands into a pair of steel pipes….

@Rob.N771 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaressweatybiffle1111 cheers for that mate!!!

@qazibarakallah9633 2 жыл бұрын

You should have 1 baikal for 3 generations.

@blondedenton7243 Жыл бұрын

@TGS Outdoors I have to say I'm very impressed by the videography work by your camera-man. Gives this video a film like quality unlike anything I've seen from other gun channels.

@tgsoutdoors Жыл бұрын

He’s the best

@ThePippin89 2 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong I loved this video (even gave it a like). But could I suggest a video where you have 2 guns that someone might be trying to decide between. Like maybe a £500 gun and a £2k gun. Should you spend the extra money or can you get something just as good second hand for quarter of the price?... Just a thought. Keep up the great work guys.

@canbrit4621 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly that’s a more realistic cheap vs expensive. Nothing wrong with having a go at the Baikal it’s all good fun tho.

@ThePippin89 2 жыл бұрын

@@canbrit4621like most I have owned a Baikal and it was great fun to shoot.

@tgsoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

That would be a more useful video for sure 😂

@jamesjohnson7905 2 жыл бұрын

Depends who's behind the stock and whether it fit's .I'm sure if George digweed used a baikal he'd still be better than 95 percent of us

@georgedigweedmbe1013 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks But I will stick to the Perazzi

@jamesjohnson7905 2 жыл бұрын

@@georgedigweedmbe1013 you could use anything and still be the goat arguably Britain's most decorated and successful sportsman but sadly the one with the least recognition of his achievements it's a travesty

@phreak761 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesjohnson7905 Yes but he is morbidly obese.

@nigelbase1196 Жыл бұрын

@@phreak761 Doesn't stop him from being a phenomenal shot though 😉

@dale_ch 2 жыл бұрын

Jonny - be careful with severe gun snobbery here buddy - the old girl did ok 😉😉!

@tgsoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

That she did, but I reserve the right to still dislike baikal for a few more years

@whosyourmate8292 2 жыл бұрын

That Fast Show reference 👌 "It's likening love to a beautiful woman" 😂

@alastairsutherland9341 2 жыл бұрын

If you invited all of the top shots to a shoot where they could only use a standard Baikal with substantial cash prizes, I’m guessing the same old names would be on the top of the leaderboard.

@paulwilson7234 2 жыл бұрын

Great video to watch on a Tuesday afternoon, another great looking shooting ground.

@theashbys8863 2 жыл бұрын

You see deep down Jonny loves a Baikal that's why he keeps having them on his show he just needs some encouragement to come out as a Baikal lover. Me I love em cheap and reliable get the job done and Russian so will always go bang. Thanks all another great vid Jonny and team and even though I disagree with some points that's ok we are all allowed a different opinion (well for the next little while anyway)

@LakesMTB1964 2 жыл бұрын

Another fantastic video best thing on KZfaq along with LloydP

@NoMatureContent 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like the Baikal would be a decent option for someone who's never ever shot before to get in and try it for cheap.

@wheelguns4wheelmen802 2 жыл бұрын

Baikal sxs 20 inch guns are great for Cowboy action shooting; just gotta give them an action job and trigger job and add a leather cheek rest/butt plate. I'm sure with a little effort, you could make that Baikal shoot better.

@aatutuppurainen8190 2 жыл бұрын

Grandpa has had baikal for 40 years never any problem

@reeceholden7564 2 жыл бұрын

Despite the comment (in video) about comments, there’s still a lot of comments commenting exactly what you predicted 😂 great video as always!

@TMS5100 2 жыл бұрын

You won't shed a tear when your baikal gets scratched or dinged. You'll be paranoid about getting your 12k gun damaged.

@csamby1694 2 жыл бұрын

Have Single battleBacko used it in all conditions and very handy and very hardy well paid for that self good video thanks very much once again

@qazibarakallah9633 2 жыл бұрын

considering job of a shot gun you will ultimately reach to the conclusion that the baikal is number 1.

@jamesmoon8947 4 ай бұрын

If these two Herbert's could shoot half as good as the worst gun ever made, they'd both be world champion shots .

@jasonprotaszczak8011 2 жыл бұрын

Cant beat the good old Russian Purdey. For a use and abuse beater they are spot on.

@bjarkenordvang2336 2 жыл бұрын

The best Baikal... how about a MU-8 or MU-6?

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

The one in the scrap bin

@TonyisToking 2 жыл бұрын

@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 We get it, hahaha. You really hate Baikals, enjoy what you like, Mr. Man of Kent

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyisToking Dont hate em mate ,,,,,had loads of em as a kid ,,,,,but tbh you cant really compare them to a half decent gun . Good ol farmyard gun

@Jolly56Roger Жыл бұрын

I think Mu8 trap gun is one of the best guns I have shot top end Baikal I think, it smokes every thing (Ex Full) , well built they even have rollers on the hammers fantastic design ,they call it the indisputable gun I believe

@ljfinnie1 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant I started as a kid with a single barrel Baikal. Killed rabbits really well!

@blackadder1966 Жыл бұрын

My first shotty was a baikal, then beretta 687, browning meddalist, beretta 682 gold E and now browning Gp. Now looking to upgrade to anything from a beretta 694 to kriegoff (krieghoff is a longer wait saving saving and more)

@harryminkley1962 2 жыл бұрын

What new guns would you recommend for a max of about £5-6k currently shooting a browning b725 and I like the black action so that would be nice to keep. 12ga of course as well.

@fullchoke01 2 жыл бұрын

Thats actually not a bad looking baikal, it goes bang and people forget gun fit is what makes you hit, too much brand focus in the world, get a good engineered gun that fits and you will break any target

@CraigK80 2 жыл бұрын

It was all going so well until JC’s legs 🦵🏻 appeared 😳. Get some sun Johnny. Great vid as always guys keep up the good work 👍

@spency787 2 жыл бұрын

“I love beers, I love guns…” now there’s an idea for a follow up video 🤔

@brianduffy5193 2 жыл бұрын

Just got a row from the wife for laughing out loud 😂😂 brilliant video guys 👍

@tgsoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

😂 sorry

@1valg 2 жыл бұрын

So you have made mistakes early on...

@simonpage8430 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely hilarious

@anthonydexter262 2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see you guys do clays with the pedersoli wyatt Earp side by side hammer gun with 20inch barrels for fun

@stephenludlow5635 2 жыл бұрын

Worth every penny and 10,000 cheaper I've had mine 35 years never had any problems with it at all and could still get what I paid for it how many guns can say that

@stephenvikla6926 2 жыл бұрын

it’s charming in the way an old pump shotgun is.. to me. and gets you over- the -ponders an o/u for the price of a few boxes of ammo. hard to complain

@Jolly56Roger 4 күн бұрын

I thought the kills were a lot better with the Baikal than the other gun thingy

@dandylion1987 2 жыл бұрын

over unders are like watches. Yeah a Rolex doesn't tell the time a thousand times better than a Casio, but that's not the point. I think by the time you reach a couple of grand they are all just as good, then its about aesthetics (and fitment ofc)

@funkla65 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, bling is bling, but I'm pretty content with a Tough Solar Atomic G-Shock.

@dandylion1987 2 жыл бұрын

@@funkla65 I have an edifice lol

@funkla65 2 жыл бұрын

@@dandylion1987 there you go - perhaps not as rugged, but should be as effective at timekeeping.

@grahamedwards9920 2 жыл бұрын

The law of diminishing returns.

@elemental4rce 2 жыл бұрын

Review the Browning 525 Crown 32" please!

@mattfuck12321 2 жыл бұрын

I have a cheap Aya yeoman sxs and it goes bang and breaks Clays the same. I say that if I can shoot the worst then I can shoot better guns as well. However those that have better guns cannot go back to the worst (without practice) plus I spent 150 quid or less and still get a similar result.... Fun. Plus I'm a history geek and love the older guns anyway, such as the greener martini action.

@mattfuck12321 2 жыл бұрын

Plus I don't prance around with cheaper guns or mother it. Maintain it yes but not bothered to much about a scratch here or there

@tonymorgan3526 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but your missing the point, some of us live in council housing, we can't afford a berreta or browning, so we make do with what we have got, upper class that!!

@kollikost 2 жыл бұрын

The most important things in shotgunning are gun fit and consistent mount.

@basshnter1606 2 жыл бұрын

You need to wear a Vostok wristwatch when you shoot that thing. The Baikal's Russian equivalent in the world of timepieces.

@Alex462047 3 ай бұрын

I wear a Chistopol automatic wristwatch (Vostok, stainless steel strap). It's great!

@aatutuppurainen8190 2 жыл бұрын

Baikal isnt for the range its a tool for the forest

@tommarlow4587 2 жыл бұрын

I shoot a Browning but am so crap, it may as well be a Baikal!

@sofalugger 2 жыл бұрын

Mate of mine got Baikal S/S and Kreekoff ... shoots both just as well as one another?? Can remember in 70`s the hammer Baikal ..less than £50 and sent in the post??/// Gr8 days

@megagarrym6318 2 жыл бұрын

£150 seems a bit steep for a non-ej double trigger gun. My Baikal was £120, six years old when I got it, ejectors, multi-choke, lovely piece of wood, great condition with a decent slip. Perfect for a novice like me. I wouldn't shoot any better with a Berretta or a Browning.

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

You probably would mate

@zacharyemmanouil6738 2 жыл бұрын

I am a new subscriber and would be very interested in seeing a video comparing the Akkar Churchill 812 Field and the Browning 725 Field (which in the UK I believe is called the "Game" model), and also the Akkar Churchill 812 Sporting and the Browning 725 Sporting. Would you have an interest in creating such a video and sharing your thoughts on these particular guns? Thank you.

@jimbo2602 2 жыл бұрын

I actually kinda like the engraving 🤷🏻‍♂️

@robbond2219 2 жыл бұрын

I think that you sounded to challenge yourself to try make it nicer there lads 😉😂

@cfcbeanz1122 2 жыл бұрын

Who’s that good looking bloke in the background? 👏🏼😂

@maaronangauoraiti4591 11 ай бұрын

Honestly baikal is very good my favorite shotgun

@fenheadfarm3262 2 жыл бұрын

I know Baikal ain't the best, but I got 8/9 birds and my friend got 4/10 with Holland and Holland. He is a shit shot, don't matter if you got a £300 gun or a £30k gun matter's if you are any good. Then also what you are used to.

@mattbrute5198 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do an episode looking at the Dr Franco Baretta guns please.

@funkla65 2 жыл бұрын

Two points doesn't show whether you have a linear relationship going on. Perhaps a £1,200 Yildiz in the mix would've revealed the curve.

@gonzo_the_great1675 2 жыл бұрын

£150, must be london prices ! Tenner at the junk auctions.

@vig237 Жыл бұрын

I have Merkel 2000 and USSR made TOZ 34, also fun to compare) But when I go hunting to Siberian tayga, guess which gun I take with me).... Your guess is wrong I take AK 104.

@michaelhicks708 2 жыл бұрын

Try getting anywhere near top money when you come to sell a Longthorne, No chance !

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

BAIKAL 😩 the only way to iron out the flaws in that is chuck it in a skip

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@Pugna No I'm not

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@Pugna of course it does ,I've had loads of em ,,,,but there still shit ,,,,,poorly finished, feel dead , ugly , ill fitting ,,,,,,,,get yourself a decent gun and you'll feel the difference.

@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 2 жыл бұрын

@Pugna No I'm not ,,,, as I said I've had loads of em ,,,,and as for a snob 🤣🤣🤣 I'm honoured mate

@nikitamckeever5403 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do a 10% off if you use this code on the longthorne please . Still be a whopping £10800 . How much was that titanium barrels and action gun you did a video on .

@richardlongmuir8348 2 жыл бұрын

Johnny those legs man…….really not designed for shorts!!

@ablejack3 2 жыл бұрын

It's a kick in the teeth, but that's better than nothing.

@lanceburton2486 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried a yildiz

@user-ig5fv1xi6h 10 күн бұрын

Друзья, если иж 27 вам не очень нужен, подарите его мне😊 И это не шутка. Любой приклад меняю на монте карло, вот такая антропометрия

@LakesMTB1964 2 жыл бұрын

Is the fore end just as delicious ?😂

@darrenbarkham7639 2 жыл бұрын

Johnny are them sun glasses made by Bakal?

@chocolingo7423 Жыл бұрын

The man that never owned a shoes appreciates flip flops

@royjennison3916 2 жыл бұрын

what this vid does show , its the shooter hits the target not just the gun , I shoot a 350 quid semi auto thats 10 years old , bad regularly come first and beat my group of friends with there 3k browning and Barretas . both will do the same , but if you got the cash buy some thing that is pleasing to the eye

@edparrish1988 2 жыл бұрын

I treated myself to a "nice" gun..... but I've still got a baikal for those very rough walked up farm days ! Can't bear to put a decent gun through that ... . Its a tool..... for a job

@bartbug1 9 ай бұрын

First time viewing, short time 'watcher' .....please do a review on how "Mum'sy Range Rover" stacks up against a standard Toyota Camry. ....Tossers.

@villekoikkalainen7940 2 жыл бұрын

Baikals are horrible guns to shoot and ugly AF but sure they get the job done. Personally will never buy one. I have a Beretta 694 and 686 as back up and they are fine, nothing exceptional but they work and are finished decently.

@yannikoloff7659 4 ай бұрын

12000 is the Baikal+ammo+Dacia+petrol. Or a boat. Or a motorcycle

@aamerkhazemalabady 2 жыл бұрын

Very Very good from lraq

@wholeNwon 2 жыл бұрын

Greetings from the U.S.A.

@briansearle4138 2 жыл бұрын

For our do gooders out there , No real rabbits or birds were killed or hurt in this film . 👍🙄🇬🇧

@kokorico5416 2 жыл бұрын

One more nice video. But please! It is NOT a BEIKEL its a B A I K A L . And they are not MIRUKU shotguns, they are M I R O K U

@SonofIiberty 2 жыл бұрын

As an american this video makes me sad.

@philgallier2690 Жыл бұрын

baikal c le topl

@tripalclan1686 Жыл бұрын

i have a baikal

@sasabockor4867 2 жыл бұрын

Don't be stingy. Buy new one IZ27 E with one trigger and then compare. This is mocking of IZ. For hunt (rabbit clay) is 100% better than fancy one..... next step...put new stock on IZ and than make new episode...

@user-jj2dk5ew9j 6 ай бұрын

!!! it is not the best Baikal these

@negative8713 2 жыл бұрын

Baikal forestock fell off? Such a cheap cheat. This might work if no Russians saw it. However one saw. Me. But it looks like even without that nobody bought into the trick.

@tgsoutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

🤔