The problem is not the weekly release, its that if you don't get what you want one week, it might not be available the next week

If one were so inclined, the lack of a bottom plate on the Rogal Dorn tank creates an interesting opportunity to add lights and motors. The reason being, the structure of the tank is designed to go together without the bottom, so it's much easier to make a bottom, than to have to carve out the guts of a tank to make room for adding batteries and such. Just my thoughts on this.

I’m yet to find an appropriate time to listen/watch to you guys. On a bike ride? Can’t breathe. At work? Get scolded by HR. At home? Kids ask what’s pegging 😂

As a former store manager it’s kind of reassuring to know that it’s not just the retail arm that are treated like mushrooms

When Slaves to Darkness released in late January, basically every hobby shop in the New York City metro area, including giant, hungry shops with lots of customers, got basically none of their preorders fulfilled

GW's constant pushing of new stuff is so overwhelming. I've pretty much reduced myself to Underworlds only because it's just too much.

I have a signed DVD set of SPACED when the cast were promoting the release here in NYC many, MANY years ago. Great series.

TBH New Year - New Army has been a great way of getting my daughter involved in the hobby. She also just collected her 30th stamp in her Battle Honors book and picked up her free miniture case at the weekend.

Thank you for filling a hobby void I didn't know I had! I absolutely love your weekly chats and always look forward to watching them on a Monday day evening.

We still don’t have our world eaters here in the PNW in the US

I miss mournfang brown spray :( Great undercoat for red, orange and yellow.

I think it's pretty clear the Space Marine sculptor was out sick and the Ork sculptor took over when the desolators were due

I could listen to you guys ramble for hours.

Enjoyable listen as I sat and painted, as always chaps. I long gave up trying to keep up with every Killteam release. Around Nachmund when I released I couldn't paint them in time for the next. That's when I also just stopped trying to keep up with every release in a little way too. I just get the bits I want to paint right now that are in my rather tight budget

Fantastic boyz keep it up!

You chaps were on fire in this episode! The one liners and cheeky laughs had me cracking up!

Always entertaining! This show has become my "must watch" of my numerous hobby notifications.

The lack of internal communication leading to products not being available, and nobody knowing about it sings to me - Funny enough also a medium-large business in the UK - products removed without telling the customers, sales team, or us as the sales engineers who have to then try and solve the problem to new gap creates 🙃

31:12 I was literally looking at a gorgeously painted Rogal Dorn character mini on IG as you said that. What are the odds?! :D

Regarding the rate of new releases: I pretty much stopped picking up 40K and AoS models because I couldn't keep pace with those and Warcry / Kill Team, which I prefer. Now I'm to the point of thinking about giving up on Kill Team because I can barely keep pace with just Warcry now.

I went for a few interviews for a procurement role at GW before Christmas, I'm currently in a reasonably senior position for another global manufacturer and the salary offered was almost half of my current. I really think they have a big skills gap in the supply chain team as it's full of people that have come up through the company. On the subject of aerosols - there are quite stringent insurance requirements for storing this material, usually limited by SKU and qtys. Also, still haven't received my World Eaters!!

love the balance of these discussions, totally agree the pace of releases is too fast. makes me focus to just 1 or 2 things to keep disciplined! keep up the great content these videos are a fantastic listen!

I misread the title and figured you were forecasting how the delays would ruin Christmas, another great episode

Oh, those “Geoff Stories”, I never tire of them!

My FLGS cancelled my Soulshackle pre-order as GW lost a batch and they were sent none and won't receive any. Great stuff GW 👍

Alongside this is the issue of not knowing what's ahead - with Heresy being the clearest example of this. While we see the weekly reveal articles, they are kind of "piecemeal". What matters is the lack of communication around things that have been promised - Cults & Militia and Daemons - or a sense of what actually is going to happen next with the game, in terms of "campaign books", releases of the Black Books, new books, etc., is frustrating. Also how the many many issues of Heresy just sit unanswered - with instead brilliant community projects like Panoptica arising. This feels very similar to AoS now - what the heck is really happening in terms of the world building or narrative of that game? Is it all in Warcry?

Loved the time when there where conversions in WD featuring models that had been withdrawn the month before. Especially when the parts had been explicitly called out in the text.

I find these videos quite entertaining. It's interesting hearing about what goes on behind the scenes on the industry.

Peachy is right on this. Build up is crucial! In an age long ago the TV adverts up to Christmas built up all the great games to fever pitch and companies knew they'd sell. Not sure where that mentality has gone considering GW already know they have a rabid, captive audience who buy their stuff

THAT "Visions of Heresy' BOOK is an absolute GEM. Such a classy prize.

A shop I buy from recently said they ordered 50 but put 45 up for pre-order accounting for possible damaged stock. When they got their delivery they were given only 6.

4:50 there’s a flat rustoleum camo spray that would be a pretty good base for death guard.

On the topic of scalpers, what I really dislike is the limited editions. They sell out in an instant and all you are left with is the scalpers. Why don't do it as Made to order for a limited time or similar?

Well I totally had to go find those contrast trailers after this episode - well worth it😂

This is what leads to 3-D printing!

It feels like specialist games in general has suffered from a lot of fomo that feels a lot more wizards of the coast than games workshop. Part of me wonders if they take the scalpers into account as a way to profit on small runs.

you guys rock

Just got into your videos and I've really been enjoying them. I feel I'm very much in the Peachy realm when it comes to my niche in Warhammer. I just can't get enough of custom guard regiments. Weirdly enough, while sorting my extensive collection of old WD magazines in my parents' attic recently I came across the first appearance of the Ventrillian nobles. WD391 July 2012. They're yet to be named and 6th edition has just come out.

I spent longer than was healthy thinking that Peachy was wearing a navy crop-top over a grey jumper, and liking his style.

Another element to consider in the KillTeam release is the cost of Energy and a lesser extent Plastis (being fuel related) over the production phase for this box and the previous box. GWs process is very energy heavy (their newer production line had difficulty implimenting due to lack of capaciity at the local substation IIRC) so they coud have limited production to moreEconomy 7 hours (yes this is a thing). Unpredicaable costs like ths can play havock in the mindsof producers and cold have reduced the predicted number needed as well as ultimately production later on to limited these spiralling costs. This has been abig issue in construction for the last 2 yeasr for example and things like cement production (also hogh in power demand) moved to nighttime only production reducing supply andincreasing costs. Ditto steel production etc.

My favourite bit of 40k Art would be the cover of the 3rd Edition Necron Codex. It was what got me into Warhammer, being a massive Terminator and world history fan seeing the combination of the two with the Necron Warrior menacingly staring at you with the rest of the army and Monoliths etc all in the background bathed in green gauss glow. My imagination would go into overdrive. If I happen to win I’d love to win Angron or any of the World Eater models, I’m pretty easy and grateful regardless

I just don't understand why GW can't just be transparent in their communication. Like, personally speaking I find a company to be far more trustworthy when they openly admit something went pear shaped. Because whilst it's not great that something went wrong, you nevertheless get the impression that they're at least on top of the situation. Like sure, it sucks when something doesn't go as planned but I know I'd rather know about it than not.

I’d love to hear you guys talk about the Horus Heresy Limited Edition books, their demand, scalping, bonkers re-sale prices and general views on why it causes so much upset in the community. Amazing content gents 👍

too much too often, it's so true. I live close to a major gaming centre in the UK and AOS and 40k are the only real mainstays of GW play - people played warcry, underworlds and KT when they first released but then the rrelease schedule... it got too much, too often, too much money.

New year, new army is what keeps TheTrollTrader in business.

Dorn floor gate is funny to me, I don't even paint the underneath of my vehicles

My favourite artwork of 40K is the one's that I paint on canvas myself

I tuned out of GW releases after the Drukhari codex with concurrent Drukhari supplement in the Rust book... At least they stopped dropping rules in random other books now

I'd like more made to orders

Great show, as always. The most annoying one for me this round is the Captain Messinius. Went from available to "Ships in 180 days" before the end of that Saturday. Real bummer.

I was wondering why I couldn't find a stormvermin fur spray for morathi. Thanks for clearing that up 😅

My fav art is the battle masters board game box set art! Technically not warhammer but it was the first box that got me into the hobby! As a little kid I spent hours just looking at it and imagining huge cavalry charges into ork lines!

Never thought I'd hear Belvoir castle referenced in this end of youtube :D

I've always thought The Fang was a TERRIBLE colour for Space Wolves, but I'm glad others agree 😂

Apparently there were issues with the new warehouse. Went to my local warhammer store - they didn’t get any world eaters delivered. Had a preorder with gw online held up with world eater items being unavailable so not just third party retailers being impacted or forecasting issues

Really enjoy this show

I was at Warhammer World 2 weeks ago, and the stock levels in the shop there were laughable. The warehouse couldn't even keep that shop at sensible levels for stock.

I used The Fang as a primer for SpaceWolves and used an airbrush to layer up, they came out looking blue 😂

It's that time 😎

Cost of models is driving me away, I have played/collected Space Wolves since Rogue Trader, I was interested in doing a Space Wolf Horus Heresy army. For 20 iconic SW grey slayers (two ten man troop squads) is $430aud, or $21.50 a model (~£240, £12 a model). Pack of mk3 $135, transfers $55, four grey slayer forge world upgrade packs at $60 each. So $430 for 265 points out of 2000. As for the releases they should get the individual boxes ready at the same time as the new box, they seem to do releases cyclically (40k/aos/boxed game). Just release the new eg.. kill team box, when the gw stores report last box/out of stock then release the individual boxes on the next cyclic release slot. That way if scalpers grab up all the boxed sets the individual kill teams/terrain hit preorder within the month and people would be less inclined to buy the kill team boxes just to get one unit for their 40k army.

They call him Cuban Peach - he's the king of the rhumba beat! When he plays the maracas the models go chick-chicky boom, chick-chicky boom!

Guess im one of the few who used The Fang Spray for my T'au before I swapped to Farsight.

The releases are coming thick and fast but luckily my tastes are narrow enough that it's OK :-)

The posh intro is the army voices coming out of him 😅

Regarding the tank missing its underside plate. IMO it is two fold. For one, if you pay so much money for a model (and it is a lot) I do expect it to be complete and not have holes where it should not have them. There are far more detailed model kits out there for a much cheaper price, in this instance, there is no excuse. Secondly, GW keeps claiming they are a model company first and a game company second. To them the models are what's most important, the game itself, not so much. By that logic, that model should also have a plate on the underside. We all know, they didn't include that plate to save space on the sprue, and thus save money in the production costs and increase their gains on the sale of the model. I was not happy about the admech tank having a hole either.

The triumvirate of hobby banter return! Another great episode gents!

Kill team and warcry are the school league's sets which add some zing to their sales.

Loven it, more love for necromunda is always good

What happens to me a lot is I get hyped about a box, it sells out because I haven’t been paid, and I don’t bother getting it later because by the time it is out I’m onto something else. Saves me lots of money though. With Kill Team, I’ve been waiting on some of the boxes being in stock for so long I’m just not bothering with Kill Team.

Look, I’m not a patron so I won’t enter any competitions, but the funny thing about avoiding it being gambling by making it a competition is you run the risk of making the prize taxable income (obviously, different jurisdictions are different. You, as the organizer can’t, in that sense, win). So that’s fun. I think the trick is to require an effort to enter, but then drawing a winner at random? But don’t take my word for it. Different jurisdictions etc.

I had that too much feeling as well lately, cant keep track of all the releases anymore, its getting ridiculous

On Spray Paints - it might be that they are classified as a 'Dangerous Good', so can only store a limited amount due to regulations? I know that's the case in New Zealand

I got so fed up of waiting for the khorne bezerkers combat patrol I moved on to different stuff.

There's been several comments over the catalogue of videos about the Space Marine Censor Machine being annoying or an old joke, however... about 56 minutes in... "I just tried to open the door for that Peachy, I didn't realise he was such a HERETIC!" 10/10, would drop cat food everywhere laughing again.

Fascinating podcast guys. So glad to hear you talking about the scalpers. It caused me to press pause on the hobby altogether sadly. Seeing what I wanted only available in heavily priced boxed sets put me off. Then the eBay scalpers being the only ones to have them at 200-300% mark up prices. Considering how aggressive GW is with its IP why they don’t try to beat the scalpers at their own game baffles me. Why not split the models out and sell them directly. Better GW makes the money than the scalps surely. Also how viable can GW continue to be with the inflation and cost of living priorities in the UK.

What was interesting was that Into the Dark and Shadow Vault were so close to each other in terms of release I wonder if they realized the mistake and decided to release Breachers and Kroot with Kaserkin and Necrons because they didn't want to Have the new box out and the individual boxes out even closer than normal. Not at all giving them an excuse but it was just so odd with how fast Shadow Vault was released

Still waiting for mine too.....

Come on guys. I don't be hating on Games Workshop but I do understand the frustration of getting a model tank without bottom like the Rogal Dorn. Do you think modellers wouldn't be pissed at Tamiya or Hasegawa if their Tiger tanks didn't include a bottom sculpted up to the last bolt because "you can't see it" ? Is that why Forgeworld's Titan's got a fully modeled cabin that's sealed and can't be opened once you've built the hundreds pounds model ?

Absolutely agree with the point that they don't know what audience want. In Instagram they made a poll what the imp guard regiment is favourite. People answer any regiment beside cadians and attilans And what regminets they released? Where full krieg army ? Where savlars,catachan, valhalian, vostroyan and steel legion ? So sad...

I really like these chat videos. I wonder if the releases sped up if there would be a ' I can't financially afford to keep up with the releases'? I must admit as someone who paints lots but plays 3 or 4 times a year, I just buy the models I like, typically from ebay about 9 months after release for about 60% of the GW price

I'm the kind of person that Peachy mentions about halfway through. If an item is unobtainable for me - be it through price, inventory, etc - I will lose all interest in it. Time is finite and I don't want to waste it on companies that are more worried about chasing the next big thing while neglecting the needs of their current base. I'm trying to build a Votann army and I haven't been able to find a Sagitaur, Einhyr Hearthguard or Hekaton kit in months. Do I continue waiting for a restock or just take a $500 loss on an incomplete army?

I haven't bought a new thing from gw since killteam 2021? The krieg one, but I actually was going to get soulshackle because I like arbites and then on that saturday morning I had it in my basket only 10 mins after it went up but poof "this item is out of stock" when I tried to buy it. The nonstop flood of products works from the company perspective of causing FOMO but they can't bleeding produce enough stock of anything anymore if you actually want something.

I once had a dream that they made a Rakarth flesh spray and I woke up genuinely gutted

Still haven't been able to get veteran guardsman, and now my group have basically stopped playing kill team. As for the Rogal Dorn - assembling the tanks was the only thing that was keeping me from 3d printing 40k tanks. The hole put me off. Now I'm printing tanks for 40k and building the bolt action tanks for the tank building fun.

Ding dong!

As always, a great show - thank you all. I thought the business discussion around GW was particularly interesting. It struck me that the driving force for their decisions would have to be shareholder profits when you boil it down. The business is not about gaming or models,, per se, but rather about stock price, dividends, etc. Those are the driving force I'd speculate that all other decisions must pass muster on. Thanks again for the wonderfully thoughtful and fun discussions - happy day to you all!

I'm not too fussed about price rises, but then apart from the odd paint pot it's been eons since I brought a kit from an actual GW store. All my stuff I buy from third party stores or even better those ebay sellers that buy box set and split them for pocket friendly prices.

Love the podcast guys. While listening to the price discussions, the economist in me was just screaming 😂 it'd be great if y'all had a economist on to explain some of the reasons for the choices. I think people would find it really interesting.

I was always told that Santa was just a story. My Santa-stunner came at 40 when I realize he was real.

I've only been playing Warhammer for about 3 years, and I'm in the States. And since I started playing, the prices have increased by more than half. It's getting really absurd here.

I need to know where I can find these contrast paint videos

Just to point out, the later Warcry sets which don't have the Core book are cheaper than the Heart of Ghur one. Whether it's so much so to justify it not having the Core book is a different story, but tbf I wouldn't want to fork out extra for duplicate copies of the core book

Would someone remind me of who produced that amazing artwork of the Avatar behind Pat? Utterly beautiful!

Painting After Dark

The chaos boarding patrol sold out in 2 days of preorders. No one could get them 😢

RIP mournfang brown spray

Most of those spray paints have been colour matched and are now produced by color forge.cheaper and bigger cans than gw too.

I'm gonna say it: I actually think the new Desolation marines are fine. I think the issue with them is they look a bit too clean and 'tacticool' like most of the Primaris range, but slap a bunch of purity seals on them, some chapter iconography etc and I think they'd look great. They're big guns and that makes for a great blank canvas to do things like hazard stripes and flames. The weapons are ridiculous and oversized which is completely in keeping with the theme of space marines. That being said, I think if you were to improve them, making the guns more integrated rather than tacked on - perhaps as a new kind of combi-weapon, and adding optical targeting lenses on the helms of the marines would make them look better.

I'm only collecting 30K models and black library books at the moment

I love the Desolator Marines. I think they look super cool and remind me of 90-2000s Marvel comics. I love the stupid huge guns and the gun on guns on guns. As soon as I can afford em I'll get a few teams.