What is your favorite Pokémon battle music?

Huh, I never knew Cyrus's theme was different on the second loop. Personally, I'm kinda glad that it went unnoticed for so long. Feels like a little hidden detail only a select few know about which is always facinating.

Cyrus probably has to be one of Pokemon's most iconic villains considering his intimidating presence and theme to back it up.

I think Cyrus theme and N's are some of the best in the series. (With N's theme there is also something i can't quite point but i have to say the final battle theme of N as champ was something that can't be quite replicated same goes for cyrus's original theme).

I literally waited forever for someone to point this out. I always loved Cyrus theme for its build up and key changes halfway through. It enthralled me the first time I heard it. So imagine my bewilderment when other people claim his theme sucks or is “too long”. Like really what? This is also why I will never forgive those who make tierlists for music but refuse to listen to the whole track. Then claim it’s terrible. Like a certain a Pokemon KZfaqr did not so long ago. Now you finally set the record straight.

Two things I think I'll never heavily criticize in Pokemon. The music and the character designs.

04:55 I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that Kyurem's theme in XY onwards is just the disc version of reshiram/zekrom looped from the second part, so you always just hear version A, then BBBB.

I didn't realize cryus's theme was so different in the games themselves that's pretty cool :D

The OG Ghetsis theme from BW. The harp like instrument that plays at 0.55sec is replaced by another in its second loop around 5.01secs. More audible with earphones

The DPP theme for Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf also cycles between three different tones when it loops. The version of the track used in USUM and ORAS doesn't retain this though

I've always liked cynthia's theme when fighting her in the pokemon league especially when my health bar is at red

Props to you for spotting the change… I searched YT and couldn’t find one with the B loop either. Someone will just need to record their in-game music.

Oh...that's interesting. If it's intentional, it's not unusual for Masuda. He did something pretty similar multiple times with the original Pokémon Red & Blue soundtrack, and they weren't noticed until someone tried to transcribe the entire soundtrack to sheet music. It can be heard in Professor Oak's theme, Lavender Town and Pokémon Mansion. There's a video that explains it called "Loops Within Loops: A Modular Approach to Mystery in Pokemon Red and Blue ". TLDR; The Game Boy has 4 audio channels (3 wave channels and a noise channel for percussion), and the Pokémon Mansion theme had the channels at loop at different fractional points. This causes all the channels to go out of sync over time, and the music won't properly complete its "nested loop" (the point when the 4 channels align again) until after 8 hours. So until someone there records 8 straight hours of in-game audio, there is no accurate audio rip of this theme on KZfaq. Of course, neither FRLG nor LGPE faithfully recreated this aspect of the theme, they kind of "cheat" the loop.

i thought i was the only one who noticed & loved the second loop of cyrus’s theme :’) they didn’t include it in the bdsp version which made me very sad but, oh well

Wow. I was one of those guys who loved Cyrus DPPt version more than USUM version. This makes me want to appreciate it even more.

A lot of Evil Team bosses have fantastic themes, but none quite stick with me like Cyrus' does. It's just so catchy and memorable, even taking nostalgia aside.

Always noticed this one since i LOVE this song alot. Glad that you notice this too. Cyrus' theme is simply epic. Sounds menacing, twisted and of course majestic. Fitting theme for a sociopathic, uncaring, serious, yet charismatic evil team leader

They should have gave Cyrus a encounter theme

You know, I might be thinking too far but this ABBBBB.... format *might* be a representation of Cyrus` goals for a new world. A is the normal world, and B is Cyrus` ideal world, Cyrus made changes to A and now its B and its not reversing on any loop. The original loop is destroyed, then recreated almost as it was before, but with some permanent "improvements", which is what Cyrus aims to do with the whole universe. Still, symbolism or not, it makes the theme more awesome.

why'd you put Masuda's email on the screen? I've sent 151 emails and he still won't reply to me :(

For some reason there's also a section of Cyrus' theme that sounds like the Star Wars Episode 5 music during the Asteroid Field chase, which makes sense considering the whole space theme of Gen 4

FINALLY! Someone else that knows this... I'm pretty sure there are other loop changeups in certain other tracks before Gen 4, but I think they've actually gone the same way - forgotten by the fans and ultimately not replicated in their respective remakes.

Whoa that's very interesting, can't say I've noticed this despite it being one of my favourite soundtracks from pokemon games

Another one is also Barry's theme I have the cd and a gamerip version with which the cd cuts off to the last few seconds towards the second loop. The 2nd loop on the gamerip I have includes the Barry loop.

Whenever someone criticizes Gireum for not loving Pokémon I'll direct them to this video

(Check replies!!) Oh my god wow, this is extremely interesting. It almost doesn’t feel intentional, like volume settings used later in the song aren’t cancelled out in the loop. I’ve never heard of any song, not just in pokemon, having a second loop this slightly different. You know what, I’m going to test something. I have a program that extracts the music straight from the game, so I’m going to see exactly what’s happening there. But this is super cool and I commend you for noticing a detail I never did. Thank you for this video!!

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to realize this!

This is actually fantastic to know - thank you so much for this! There's actually something similar in SV - the Team Star Boss battle theme has a different guitar solo on the 2nd loop, as well as a different drum pattern in the final segment. While it alternates between the loops, instead of going ABBBB, it's still a really interesting touch, especially as once again, most pokémon music uploaders seem to have missed this and thus only posted the 1st half of a 7-minute theme. So you know - interesting added touches in Pokémon music.

Funnily enough, this seems to be an issue with the actual programming of the song LOL MIDI Players and probably Chiptune players return to the value of any kind of message (In this case, CC events Instrument Change and Pitch Wheel) when the song is returned to a X position, even if it wasn't specified again at that position (The start of loop in this case), so what that can mean? If there's not a new event at loop start's position, DS may not return to the value it was playing on the first loop, so it continues to have the value it has reaching the end of the loop while playing the full loop, so, that's why it happens just from 2nd loop and everytime after it, in fact, the actual sequence from the song is just the "Intro" and just one loop, if that was made on purpose, the song probably contained a copy of the loop played with the differences, but it hasn't, or well, that may remained by mistake and Masuda DID notice that, didn't know why it happened (Or yes) but left it as it was. It may also not be a mistake, as the official version from Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Super Music Collection is played with the higher pitch instruments and "wrong" instruments just after starting again from the loop, so idk, is just a theory Edit: I was right, Masuda programmed wrong the song LOL The "Pop Bass" does a full +12 semitones rise, and *IT NEVER RETURNS TO 0 AGAIN*, so it is infinitely playing one full octave up in the rest of loops, and so it does the organ because it's played at the same channel lmfao. It seems that there's not any Instrument Change event issue as i thought, and that "Second Loop issue" is just channel 6 from the song playing one octave higher than it was meant to be played, so it just affects instrument played at that channel, that are the Organ, Orchestra Hit, "Pop Bass", Trumpet, and that "strange SFX" (Which is actually the general Electric Guitar instrument the game uses, and the responsible for the issue, because after that, the organ is played again, but now at one octave higher but due to the Pitch Wheel remains at 1200 cents which is +12 semitones or a full octave up), so that means... There's not a single difference with the percussion you've pointed out lol, is just the Orchestra Hit playing one octave higher

I'm pretty sure R/S/E's Gym Leader theme also changes on the second loop. On the first loop, the part after the intro has horns and a string ensemble. But when it loops, the horns are replaced with more strings. And it also follows the abbbb format. Though you probably won't read this, so maybe writing this was a waste of time.

Nice vid keep it up!

I love his theme. ❤

Wow your the first KZfaqr to talk about this. Good Ear!

I think the structure of this song is because of Cyrus desire to redo the universe, so his theme plays once in one way, and then when it starts again, its different and stays different from there on, like his desire to redesign the universe

*Why is this SO underrated?!*

Cyrus has become the Super Idol

I heard when I played platinum I just never thought to much of it

Plenty of musics have conversion errors like that, thus changing the music when it loops, I don't think it was intended

SO I WASNT CRAZY

Honestly, I never realized that the in-game mixes of Pokémon music are actually changed up like this from the soundtrack mixes. Aside from a handful of obvious examples (e.g., Village Bridge (BW SMC), the Red and Blue tracks on the XY Super Music Collection, etc.) they just sound like the in-game mixes when casually listening to them (ignoring the audio quality differences). The only track with minor differences that I really know of is the battle theme for Reshiram and Zekrom, which has different sound effects play for each dragon in-game (flames and thunder respectively), while the soundtrack version combines the two versions and splits the sound effects across two loops.

An additional minor change added in Platinum was the speed being increased a little compared to the DP version.

I LOVE CYRUS

" This man is a detailed guy. . . when it comes to music "

So did someone upload the full complete soundtrack on KZfaq yet?

That shit slaps

I wonder if this happens in USUM

Dawn and Lucas deserves their own battle theme

I remember 11 year old me being so intimidated hearing this theme for the first time, then fighting him after he had awoken Palkia (i was playing Pearl) it was a moment of feeling intimidation by a video game villain i will never forget

Those KZfaq channels do remixes

Pokemon Music is like wine,It gets better with age.

Thank you for giving attention to the fact that almost all uploads of this song got it wrong! Pokeli's "enhanced" EQ edit bothers me especially This is comparable to people putting reverb on gameboy music, the original music is so hard to find As a VGM composer and VGM lover myself, i think it's super important that YT uploads respect the original song

*I missed the sassy comments, I need more of it, beyond pokemon*

If you have really good headphones or ones that pick up specific sounds, you can hear it. I haar the difference clearly

Yo WTF how the hell did you notice that??

3:24 you so f… Funny montage dude :P

Gireum, have you tried checking some other language rips of this OST? I don't know if the link that I have given is the same thing that you have discovered in Battle! Cyrus's weird OST glitch(?), but I'm just sharing the link. If you are still interested. Thanks for talking about this in the vid! I always like watching discussions and theories videos of some Pokemon stuff. Here's the link, I hope it's the correct one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/palkhLNi3c7MfWg.html

I would advise you to listen to his usum soundtrack

*Gireum Red Pill*

*bass*

I knew it wasnt me

Although it may be as I started with Unova, one of my favorite themes can be both of the Undella Town themes, Colress's battle, and the Elite 4. This looping effect with Cyrus reminds me of the differences of Marble Garden Act 1 and Act 2, or Mushroom Hill Act 1 and Act 2. Intensified drums, all the more urgency.

Controversial opinion: I agree that Pokémon music has mostly been consistently good (except gen 3's _dweeeh_ GBA trumpets, and parts of the XY, USUM and SwSh OSTs can be boring), but disagree with the popular opinion that it's been consistently _great._ The only time when nearly an _entire_ OST was truly _great_ was ORAS in my humble onion - which, duh, it's gen 3's great compositions orchestrated! Of course it's fantastic.

Lol this is a great video

I like his theme in bdsp its probably the best one

ABBBB

Although Cyrus is very criticized by a part of the community, I think he’s the best pokemon’s villain of all time. I mean not only his characterization’s cool, but also his purpose is probably the meanest ever

I prefer the remastered bdsp version

Waifu material? bro touch grass

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And then *blazblue* and *guilty gear* destroyed pokemon soundtracks with there own soundtracks.