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I always found it strange how this clone narrating happened to be at every important battle in the clone wars, all the way to Hoth.

10:22 With all due respect, it is mentioned earlier. Battle above Coruscant Clone Journals, he mentions the fact that a lot of ground based clones were pressed into service as pilots, how they had to clear the path to rescue the Chancellor, and how they are a bit miffed that the Jedi took all the credit for killing Count Dooku and saving the Chancellor when they did all the work.

What I remember about the rise or the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars , the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all know what was about to happen what we were about to do. Did he have any doubts? Any Private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word Not the flight to Corsuant not when Order 66 came down and not when we marched into the the Jedi Temple. Not a word When the 501st was finally rotated out of Felucia Aalya Secure made a point of seeing us off personality calling us the brave soldier she had ever had It was a good thing we were wearing helmets because none of us could bear to look her in the eye

I know the clones liked Anakin because he didn’t see them as equipment. He saw them as soldiers, comrades in arms. Cody got along with and respected Obi Wan because, if I’m not mistaken, you mentioned that Obi Wan would let Cody occasionally take charge if it was beyond his ability.

the Knightfall entry of the journal always gives me chills.

This iteration of Order 66 is interesting. The narrating clone’s disfavor of the Jedi and emotional detachment when executing the order. Closest thing to empathy being hoping for a quick death for Aayla Secura because she helped them get through Felucia. His personality much more mirroring Jango Fett

I’m just hoping the bad batch has reference to that Kamino clone rebellion. “Officially there was no clone uprising on Tantiss”

Odd that you intentionally chose to leave out the missions A Desperate Rescue (Coruscant Space) and First Line of Defense (Kashyyyk Space). Despite space missions being "optional", they _are_ official parts of the 501st Journal.

Clones in EU Legends: *respected and revered in The Empire as war veterans and serve as core of the Stormtrooper Corps whilst slowly phased out until minority of them remain* Clones in Disney: *immediately thrown away and replaced as soon as possible after the war is over*

Some people feel that the inhibitor chips made Order 66 more tragic because the clones themselves were victims robbed of their agency, but I always felt that _Battlefront II's_ version was even more tragic because no amount of camaraderie and good will from Jedi like Aayla Secura could dissuade any clone from betraying them in cold blood with real intent. But while the inhibitor chips may seem to have made the betrayal more palatable for a child audience, it actually makes Order 66 more logical. The reality is that there was a contradiction in the characterization of clones prior to _The Clone Wars._ They were described as simultaneously bioengineered and conditioned to be dispassionately and unwaveringly obedient to the chain-of-command. But they were also described as having the requisite independence and critical thinking skills to be soldiers capable of sophisticated strategy and improvisation. This was even more-so for special units like the ARC troopers who were shown from their very debut in the comic _Republic 50_ to be perfectly willing to talk back to their superiors and advise them against flawed decisions. As a result, clones were always portrayed as not merely mindless droids but individuals with full human cognition capable of developing personalities and new ideas through experiences. This characterization, already present in the oldest works from 2002-2005, necessarily contradicted the premise that statistically 99%-100% of clones executed Order 66 without hesitation on all battlefields. If clone troopers are capable of enough independence to develop from experience and think critically, statistically it is impossible for not a single clone trooper to have disobeyed the order. Being able to scrutinize the logic of a military action and to detect sabotage or deception is part of clone troopers' training to be the best soldiers of the galaxy. Probability-wise as well then, it does not make sense none without the inhibitor chips ever found Order 66 to be suspicious. The narrative in _Battlefront II_ might counter that clone troopers were all bred on the grand plot to purge the Jedi from the start. But as memorable as this story was, it was an outlier even back in 2005. No other source had presented this interpretation of Order 66 as the clones being in on the Sith conspiracy. It is dubious as well because other sources at the time had claimed that clone troopers' lack of malice had been crucial for their ability to execute the Jedi without their intent being sensed ahead of time. Moreover, I find it difficult to believe Darth Sidious would entrust the plan of Order 66 to all the millions of rank-and-file troopers. _Battlefront II_ was also not one of the earliest media to humanize the clone troopers. _The Cestus Deception_ published before Episode III had already done this by telling the story of an ARC trooper who falls in love with a woman during a mission and learns to decondition from his indoctrination. Other comics and novels released in the era of 2002-2005 also make it clear that the clone troopers were not privy to Order 66. In _Labyrinth of Evil,_ there were clones who accompanied a last minute operation to uncover the identity of Darth Sidious during the Battle of Coruscant and were surprised and killed by the Supreme Chancellor as they encountered him. I ultimately came to support the concept of inhibitor chips because I think that before its introduction, there were too many discrepancies about the characterization of clones and how they could universally carry out the order. Statistically, it should have been impossible for it to have been done so cleanly when the clones were permitted to retain a measure of independent, critical thinking skills. It was not just Aayla Secura, but even Plo Koon was described in background sources for the movie as early as 2005 to have earned the respect of the clone pilot who shot him down. I also don't believe that it makes sense that Darth Sidious, being as calculating as he is, would have left this final, most critical piece of a millennium-long plan in the making up to chance. The plan for all clones turning on the Jedi without deviation from bioengineering and indoctrination alone would be untested until the very moment Order 66 is issued. If he could, he would use a means of mind control to ensure absolute and flawless compliance rather than betting no clones would diverge from the plan after a few years of independent development from their diverse experiences in the war. I would believe that a mastermind like Darth Sidious would have thought of such risks of the plan. The 501st journal in _Battlefront II_ was an outlier in its telling of Order 66 even for its time, conflicting with the oldest EU sources about it, and my personal interpretation has always been that its author retrospectively looked back on it many years later as a conscious, premeditated act when it might not have been at the time. It is partly a case of memory distortion and partly perhaps in the case of this particular 501st trooper, he did genuinely support it like how Crosshair initially supported the Empire of his own free will, inhibitor chip or not.

12:00 "well above their pay grade" What pay? 😅😂😅😂

I always loved the soldiers POV in star wars, it's so refreshing compared to the more lofty view most media take

As of the time of this video, on the Remastered Battlefront 2 The Rise of the Empire campaign is bugged to not play cutscenes after a mission, so we only have half the journal. Criminal

When RotS was young I read an interview (that I wish I had kept) in which Lucas was asked "were the clones somehow forced to follow order 66" the answer was "No. Their soldiers and soldiers follow orders". This is what the authors that essentialy created the clones lore were operating on, all the comics, novels and games were made with this idea of the clones in mind. Before the dark times, before Disney.

For the reasoning of the clones to execute Order 66, my head canon is that it is a combination. Now, we have the inhibitor chips, but having a clone army super loyal to Palpatine with clones fed up with Jedi make sense. All clones having a default to execute the Jedi when the order came in from Palpatine. But where Commanders Bly and Cody went "good soldiers follow orders," clones under Pong Krell and Ki Adi Mundi might have went "DIE JEDI!"

FOR THE REPUBLIC!

I think for me the reason I'll always hate the inhibitor chips is the fact that it makes the clones betrayal so much less tangible and applicable to real life commentary then the idea of a person so heavily indoctrinated by they're upbringing that before they can even think they've shot one of their closest comrades in the back simply because of an order from higher command and having to live with the consequences of having done that for the rest of their life as opposed to just losing control of they're body for a few minutes in which time their body does something horrific but they don't

I always love the story these journals told us. I strongly prefer this version of the clones rather than them all being implanted with a chip to mind control them. Would have made the choices made by the clones who chose to stay loyal to their jedi generals much more impactful. Every clone would have made their choice on which side to fight for. If only it could be the true canon. I will always love the 501st Journals.

If you haven't seen it i HIGHLY recommend checking out the deleted kamino journal cutscene. It doesn't really add any new information but it's well written and raises up some of the horror of the situation. The one that's in the game and that you play in this video was mostly pieces taken from a kamino space map that they scrapped.

5:18 this was my thinking too even with the inhibitors chips in place that didn’t change the option of the clones, most of the Jedi had no reason to have been given the commands they had they didn’t earn them and they definitely weren’t read for such responsible, most Jedi saw the clones as a disposable resource not people there was only a few commanders that had the respect of the clones they commanded(Ashoka, Anakin, Obi-wan, Yoda and maybe like a dozen or so others) I mean Anakin may have been of the mindset of CHARGE!!! But he wouldn’t put his clones into a situation he wasn’t willing to be in and he would listen when they reminded him that “”that’s all well and good sir but we’re not Jedi, we can’t deflect blaster bolts we just have to hope our armor takes enough of the hit that we can survive it.”” A lot of the Jedi used the clones as cover to hide behind. It’s no wonder most clones didn’t like the Jedi (and that not counting the mandalorion DNA).

My headcanon is that Operation Knightfall was still done with de-activated chips to ensure the success of the operation... Palpatine couldn't trust such an important task to a bunch of brainwashed kids, he needed them in a clear and level-headed state of mind so they could predict/adapt to any possible tricks or attacks the Jedi might launch/attempt. The reason we don't hear about it is simply because Rex wasn't there, and anybody else who would've been either isn't important to the canon yet, or just hasn't said anything(for obvious reasons)

Interestingly enough, the comment that after the Kamino Incident that a variety of soldiers were used as templates for cloning ties in nicely with the later Thrawn Trilogy. Since Thrawn used a variety of personell to clone to fill his ranks, its suggest that either this was the moment he decided to do so or he used the then in place new modus operandi of the empire for cloning.

As I recall, the 501st in Battlefront 2 actually do manage to usher in their era of order and peace because, unlike in Episode 5, the mission in the game ends with the 501st successfully placing a beacon that lets the Imperial fleet in orbit bombard and destroy the last Rebel transport, the one carrying a lot of the leadership, before it can take off.

No thoughts on the space battle narrations? The clone does refer to Anakin and Obi Wan's entrance to the Invisible Hand in the Space Courscant mission ending. Oh and the cut content from the actual Kamino narration gives more depth on how the 501st Clones really felt on their mission to Kamino. The one used in game was for Space Kamino that was cut before the game released.

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This was truly a dope video. The transitions from video game to commentary was seamless. It makes me want to play the game or watch it be played. One wonders, what if they kept the Clones the way they where in the game instead of the way they where on the series?

That thumbnail helmet is sick, stormtrooper x phase 2 clone

What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi temple. Not a word.

Very interesting alternative story. Thanks for the video.

Thanks Alan 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

I don't think there were really any discrepancies. In it even Kiadi Mundi working with the 501st he does mention they are on a unique mission as opposed to the other clones he was usually working with.

I'm torn about the inhibitor chips. I like them because just like you said it makes them victims with most clones not wanting to carry out the orders and being completely forced by the chip and later showing signs of regret, it turns them into such tragic figures to see them slowly being replaced and forgotten in an ungrateful galaxy. At the same time i like the idea of them willingly carrying out order 66 as it adds realism to it, the clones may have been bred for war, but they were still human, still had emotions and still formed bonds especially with their fellow clone brothers. So to see their brothers die day in day out especially under the command of uncaring or incompetent jedi would obviously lead to a lot of resentment, however the legends stories abiut the clones who remained loyal to the jedi and helped them during 66 are also amazing as it shows that clones were still individuals and that not all clones and jedi were the same as with most of these stories it involves a very caring and compassionate jedi who truly cared about the clones under their command and earned their loyalty despite order 66

I still play this game on my xbox

I'm currently rewatching the clone wars and just finished the umbara arc. Am I the only one that found it incredibly frustrating that there's no satisfying conclusion to that story? The fact that the clones massacre each other, losing a recognisable character in Waxer in the process, no characters seem to acknowledge the incident. What did Anakin, Obi wan or Cody think of what happened to their men? We never hear what happens to Dogma surely there was a trial? What did the Jedi Council make of Pong Krells turn? I find it frustrating every time I watch 😂 is there any lore out there that ties this story up?

You missed the space battle clips with more stuff 😢

The 501st mission files are more canon than anything Disney will ever make in the entire franchise.

the story had me in tears as a 13 year old my heart broke for the clones notnto operation knightfall about killed me in both III and battlefront ii

Ending of the Journal - Final orders of the 501st to guard the shield generator of the Second Death Star. What a simple mission before retirement...Oh look Ewoks with sticks, what can they - Journal found among the corpses

The original concept of the Clones following the established orders like 66 would make them more difficult to understand for casual viewers. It would make more realistic stories though, as it says that the Clones were loyal to the idea of the Republic first and foremost.

Strange that the story never made it towards Endor, was it that Hoth ended with the Empire destroying the Falcon in an alternative timeline or was it that the journals from Endor went unrecovered?

Prefer the Battlefront 2 story over the modern one.

Great game and story!!

Brings me back.

Interesting video to Drop on the Ides of March, especially with the Kamino Clone Uprising plot point! Thank you for the trip down memory lane! I Am most certainly retaining the Lucas Canon in my HeadCanon - i don't take orders from rodents with Delusions of grandeur. Though i may be making a 2' tall skaven Inquisitor named M'Qee Maus... Love how the Views & Likes counters keep climbing!

Largely because of this story, and the fact that it's the version I grew up with, I've always struggled with the idea of an inhibitor chip retcon. The original idea being that they are just fully loyal and will follow any order without question always seemed really interesting to me. Order 66 being activated by a verbal order doesn't make a lot of sense with an inhibitor chip, when it could just have easily have been a switch that gets flipped, but instead is a command from the very top of the power structure that cannot be refused.

imagine serving in Felucia and thinking, "that wasn't fun" and boom Umbara a year later.

I like the old video game lore better The clones werent good or bad but genetically engineered for an evil purpose and loyal to the end, the fact the template was from an elite bounty hunter and not from an elite soldier should have been clue the clone army were assassins deep down.

It should be a published novel.

The meme of peter with the quill writing the diary and speaking it is top tier

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A crazy detail with those journals is how they describe blowing up Mustafar.

Battlefront II as well as The Clone Wars and The Bad Batch really made me like the clones

I like this story line better tbh. It greater highlights the arrogance of the jedi (most of them). It also gives the clones a more dynamic character arc, but also has room for clones to actually choose what side they'd rather be on.

This is the first time Im bearing this. It got released on my birthday and I had no idea 😮

one thing i find interesting is that Ayla is referred to as Commander in the 501st Journal and not General

I totally love your content... but I fast forward the ads 😂😂.. the 80's ruled!!😂

4:00 Which is why only a special detachment were sent to grab the crystal, they weren't fighting the whole battle, it was smash and grab operation, nothing more.

:39 Honestly both can be true the advage Clone was most loyal to the Senate I mean Palptine as they never saw what the Republic really was beyond the GAR.... Also remember if that Clone was not proganda this was post Order 66 and like wolf this guy still had after effects of the chip especly since he apantly fought all the way to Hoth so his chip was likely still very active like those of the clones in the new vader comics.

Battlefront ll clones had more of a morally grey dynamic.

I played battlefront with my family, we all had our own PS rigs and almost tanked the internet connection doing it BUT IT WAS EPIC and yeah my children can still own y’all hands down

Because trying to light your cigar with a lightsaber can be dangerous.

I remember queuing outside GameStop for the midnight release of BF2. I’d convinced my mum to let me play sick from school the next day. Literally a core memory and nothing will ever tarnish it.

I realized just now the clone wars 08 and the 501st journal so similar

The clone troopers have completely lost their original meaning that they had in the prequels.

A major offensive requires intel & planning. The first Battle of Geonosis had neither.

Tempura Morrison has a great voice.

I had Both of those babies + Republic Commando on my Original Xbox and one of the KOTORs or smth I forgot.

I miss a lot of the old canon yet the new stuff is fine mostly, Filoni and others taking from Legends means some of the coolest things just need a bit of time to come back.

This journal and this story, along with Republic Commando: Order 66 by Karen Traviss, is, for me, the one and *only* true story of Order 66.

I prefer the canon sequence of events for reasons explained in the bit about the tv show humanizing the Clones but the 501st Journal will always be one of my favorite parts of Star Wars entirely due to Temuera Morrison's legendary narration. Particularly for Operation: Knightfall.

Even though the bad batch took some very good lore I really liked the last episodes where it seems that Wolffe’s clone strike force don’t have their inhibitor chips any more yet they are both loyal to their brothers and to the empire

I don't have my hopes up to ever find out but I was always curious on what happened to commander Bly after the clone wars. I'm sure he stayed in the empire but idk I always was a small fan of his.

Before people start making a debate about if chip or no chip. and what is better. keep in mind the journels were written from a Soldier after all went down. So both are still possible.

Temura Morrison is so badass

Tbh if you watched the animated series of the Clone Wars, the planet Felucia didn’t seem as bad as narrator in the game made it out to be lol

Never played bf2 but I want to but man this is painful for those of us that love the 501st. I'm really liking the clone rebellion starting up in Bad Batch to me that's definitely what they would do once they figured 66 out

Might be almost 20 but that scripts still on point

Is the game footage the remastered or original version?

For me it was I teresting to still see Wolfe commanding a sizable amount of clones in the latest episodes so it seem that the clones aren’t fully phased out until later. I believe that a sizable amount of clones are loyal to the empire

Yeah I really can't understand what they were thinking with the battlefront and part 2 remakes, maybe part 1 would have been understandable since it had been years between games, but by the part 2 remake they should have learned their lesson. They should have kept the Iden Versio campaign, it's good, but they absolutely could have fit a redo of the original 2005 BF2 campaign. Then they left out Mace Windu even though he was one of the most popular heroes in part 1. Then they screwed up space battles, the entire thing that made those missions fun was the idea of having to destroy your enemy's command ship by either direct damage to the various key points on the outside or by infiltrating the enemy ship and sabotaging it from the inside. Then the two biggest sins they committed... First they took away our playlist feature, that was easily one of the more fun aspects for me as a kid, lining up like 5-10 missions with a theme, it was like putting together our own little mini campaign. Then finally the removal of galactic conquest... I just... Man it's not fair.

yes i do i do want that thing

I want to hear more.

still got battlefront 2 still for ps2 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

I think u can keep this journal in canon kinda. An unchipped og arc or chipped reg trooper. Tho i guess some events can’t match no matter what

I think you are missing alot of the journal entries from the space battles

Why did you cut out the space battles?

Officially there never was a clone rebellion on Kamino

Whole thing voiced by Temuera Morrison. Kinda awesome. Kinda awesome? That's Epic Awesome!

Hey Alan. I wanted to share that I think I might of found a sneaky Easter egg in episode 7. About 10:30 in give or take a couple seconds. The troops are moving through a forest and 1 big tree, had the resemblance of a defeated Groot from marvel, on the right side trunk. Of the said big tree. It'd be cool to confirm if it's there, or if I'm just trippin 😂.

As a Star Wars fan... I'd rather play Helldivers 2. In fact I hope someone over there is paying attention to HD2's success.

8:05 Droids also have emotions lol. Why does everyone always say that clones aren't just organic droids when droids are literally sentient and the only difference between them and the clones is that the clones are organics and are less brainwashed/controlled than the droids?

Only thing i find rather sad is that the ending cut scene meant to play after you win the space battle of Kashyyyk doesn't exist at least for me it didn't.

HELP. My hubs and I want to splitscreen local play on our XBox Series X. However, when we try, it asks player 2 to plug a controller into a port. The controllers are wireless, but the game does not recognize that Player 2's controller is powered on. Has anyone successfully played local splitscreen on the classic collection? If so, how?

Leave it to me to nitpick phrasing in this clone journal but how would they know about the term "Machiavellian" if they're from a galaxy far far away?

It always bothered me that the 501st seemed to be everywhere, when in reality it was other legions.

I will die on the hill that the inhibitor chip was a an over all bad idea. It took away the clones agency and killed most narrative ramifications of it.

All this runs closer to how I thought it went. The idea that Order 66 was just another part of the training for them. I also thought the prequels were showing us the Stormtroopers were all clones.

"When her death came I hope it was quick" It probably was but damn yall really didnt need to keep shooting her dead body like that

I hate, HATE the inhibitor chip explanation. It’s such a fucking cop out