This and That: 2019 Grand Prix of France (Alena Kostornaia, Alina Zagitova, Papadakis Cizeron 2019)
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4 жыл бұрынThis week, our camera only recorded Jonathan, as we discussed the standout performances by Alena Kostornaia, Mariah Bell, Gabriella Papadakis and Guillaume Cizeron, Nathan Chen and Madison Chock and Evan Bates at the 2019 Grand Prix of France. We also break down the uneven performances by Alina Zagitova and Shoma Uno that made this edition of the Grand Prix particularly fascinating.
TIMESTAMPS:
01:02 - Gabby Daleman’s withdrawal from CoC
01:33 - Elizabet Tursynbaeva’s withdrawal/injury update
01:53 - Sambo 70 injuries
03:00 - Sambo 70 minis: Daria Usacheva, Veronika Zhilina, Sofia Akatieva, Mark Lukin
03:38 - Other assignments: Amber Glenn, You Young, Choi Yu-jin
IDF Ladies:
06:14 - Aliona Kostornaya + Kostornaya v. Shcherbakova v. Trusova
15:01 - Psychology of coaches & coaching
17:58 - back to Kostornaya (components discussion)
20:09 - Alina Zagitova ft. Alina v. Mariah live
25:50 - Katia Gordeeva & Battle of the Blades + Canadians
29:13 - Zagitova and Kostornaya diva/swag quality + crowd at IDF
29:37 - Mariah Bell ft. Richard Dwyer doing an axel at 83
35:45 - Kaori Sakamoto (v. Bradie Tennell)
39:05 - Wakaba Higuchi + Kaori Sakamoto
41:16 - Starr Andrews
43:22 - Yuna Shiraiwa
IDF Mens:
43:28 - Shoma Uno ft. brainstorming who should coach Shoma (ft. Yuka Sato, Tarasova, Eteri)
52:08 - Nathan Chen
56:29 - Costuming at IDF (Nathan, Papdakis & Cizeron)
57:47 - Tomoki Hiwatashi
58:45 - Alexander Samarin
59:28 - Kevin Aymoz
1:03:02 - Morisi Kvitelashvili
IDF Dance:
1:03:10 - Intro
1:03:58 - Madison Chock & Evan Bates v. Charlene Guignard & Marco Fabbri
1:07:00 - Gabriella Papadakis & Guillaume Cizeron
1:16:21 - back to Chock & Bates
Grand Prix
1:18:36 - Grand Prix roster discussion + discussion on GP host countries
1:23:05 - Marie Osmond
1:25:12 - back to Madison Chock
1:25:30 - Olivia Smart & Adrían Díaz v. Tiffani Zagorski & Jonathan Guerreiro ft. the Knierims
IDF Pairs:
1:27:18 - Ashley Cain-Gribble & Tim Leduc
1:29:43 - Haven Denney & Brandon Frazier ft. comparisons to Cain & Leduc
1:33:08 - US pairs teams discussion
1:33:40 - back to Haven & Brandon
1:35:04 - Daria Pavliuchenko & Denis Khodykin ft. Kostornaya
1:35:53 - Kostornaya’s Channel 1 fluff piece
1:36:57 - Sandra Bezic + Ashley Wagner
1:39:30 - back to Pavliuchenko & Khodykin
1:40:07 - Marco Fabbri’s hand
1:40:36 - Camille Ruest & Andrew Wolfe
1:41:46 - Anastasia Mishina & Aleksandr Galliamov + general chatter on pairs
Other:
1:43:38 - Jonathan’s moment of the week
1:44:08 - Dave’s moment of the week
1:45:30 - Deanna Stellato
1:46:49 - Asian Trophy / Australian skating (ft. Dodds’, Kailani Craine, Brooklee Han)
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@chayaavtzon1507 4 жыл бұрын
Alena Kostornaia is Russia’s secret weapon this year. She’s been under the radar but she’s the one that’s getting the closest to Trusova. She’s the most well balanced skater right now.
@jjkaykay8552 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Kostornaia is my favorite of any of the Russian ladies, I am so excited about her. The girl can perform and her jumps are so strong and beautiful, I really can't wait to see her develop through the seasons, I have a feeling she's one whose going to be on the scene for a long time.
@tatyanazhebentyayeva1807 4 жыл бұрын
It was secret for you. In Russia Alena was in focus of public attention last 3 years. This year was the only secret if she has stable 3A or not. Her body was changing. Some worries about her stability were discussed in internet.
@chayaavtzon1507 4 жыл бұрын
Tatyana Zhebentyayeva it wasn’t secret for me. I’ve known about her for years. But her senior debut has definitely gone under the radar compared to the other two because she was injured at the last part of last season and then she came out full force. If she keeps it up she could legitimately beat Sasha when they go head to head.
@nicholasliu5788 4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that Rika Kihira is slightly stronger in the well-balanced department, but we'll wait for judgement at NHK when they face off and hopefully, Rika has recovered from her injury. But surely, Alena is definitely one of the skaters to keep your eye on this season.
@chayaavtzon1507 4 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Liu the only thing Rika does better than Alena is the triple axel. But that’s mainly because that jump is brand new for Alena. And this is coming from someone who loves watching Rika.
@optimalrefundable 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else find Alena's tano just...divine? I know people have complained about no full extension tanos but even she makes it somehow crazy elegant looking.
@ciannaveturius7716 4 жыл бұрын
Her rippons are gorgeous too!
@justynazokiewska8223 4 жыл бұрын
Her rippons and tanos are gorgeous.
@kathrynguo3252 4 жыл бұрын
The bent tano + the leg wrap on the 2T looks like ribbon twirling around a stick...not textbook but it’s beautiful!!
@tylerc85 4 жыл бұрын
I do miss having you on screen Dave. Your facial expressions are everything
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
So sorry. It was a technical glitch that I can't figure out, but the conversation was too good.
@anne-sophie5219 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson don't be sorry! Easy to imagine what they looked like 😂 and I can help with any concerns about your French pronunciation 😘
@leratomonethi4265 4 жыл бұрын
I missed the facial expressions too
@leratomonethi4265 4 жыл бұрын
However he did warn us before posting about the technical glitches to his credit
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
@@leratomonethi4265 And seeing the dolls. Lol.
@Jontor11 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of moments this week. Kostornaia's fantastic skate, Zagitova's Olympic moment when she went for the Loop on the second Lutz, Mariah Bell getting the gold medal by mistake and ceremoniously giving it to Kostornaia (LOL!).
@musicb97 4 жыл бұрын
Felt like Dave was God and he's talking to Jonathan.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
@meltemt0245 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahah omg right😂😂😂😂👏🏻
@user-ph1cm3xx4n 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@ramitodevioletas575 4 жыл бұрын
Alina was a bit tense, but is understandable, Alena was there! I also loved Alina’s smile for her second place, didn’t cry or made faces, she is so intelligent and mature👏👏❤️❤️💐💐🌹🌹
@rahelhorvat1471 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's because her "dethroning" came slow, subtle and gradually, didn't happen abruptly and unexpectedly as in the case of Medvedeva, so she had time to get used to it. She had her moment, won all there was to win and can now continue as a senior skater, who is still very good technically and much better artistically. I guess in two years, we will witness Valieva dethroning Trusova, and so on, it's a cycle no one can stop any more.
@amyg4115 4 жыл бұрын
Rahel Horvat or maybe just a bit more gracious and less entitled...
@a9029k 4 жыл бұрын
Amy Garcia being gracious is easy when you’ve accomplished all you could ever hope to accomplish and won everything there is to win, of course. She’s the reigning Olympic champion.. who cares about a gold medal at ”Internationaux de France.” She knows better than anyone that by the time 2022 rolls around, Kostornaia will most likely be ancient history.
@rahelhorvat1471 4 жыл бұрын
@@a9029k no, being gracious is a character trait, whether you win or lose. When you win, you take your victory with grace and dignity, when you lose you remain gracious and poised.
@elccollins99 4 жыл бұрын
Amy Garcia You couldn’t resist taking a shot a Medvedeva, could you?
@anandapatricia8442 4 жыл бұрын
Zagitova was really great in her practices and runthroughs. Her jumps looked solid and I think that she got used to her new body now unlike last year. But when it comes to competition mode, I don’t know she was too focused on finishing her elements and was OFF-music (it started from the camel spin til the end of the program) that’s why she looked rush. She needs to synchronized herself more with the music. Other than that she’s still an amazing skater! We stan her ❤️❤️
@annwhite1 4 жыл бұрын
@Ananda Patricia In my opinion the ice quality really effected her. She needs a good friction to perform the LzLo and that combination mistake effected the whole program timing so she looked rushed. The ice quality in Japan will be much better I think so we will have the chance enjoy the quality of the programs.
@hana.372 4 жыл бұрын
her body still grown right? She's more tall now .imagine how tall when she 19-20 😊
@bettybleu12 4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it was because she had too many transitions to slow her down. 😉
@mai6018 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like she needs the transitions because without them she wouldn’t know how many counts she would have to hold a position.
@comment6864 4 жыл бұрын
@@bettybleu12 LOL.. her programs are way too crowded i think
@ekaterinagalkina8547 4 жыл бұрын
I happen to love Kostornaias fs and she really sells the story and concept of Bella from twilight. however, I certainly think she is capable of more and the music cuts are out of control and doesn't flow well at all
@dinchik19 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, you slated Eteri for sending Zhenya to retire and have babies ( this was actually publicly denied by Zhenya) and after Shangahai trophy you were the one who gave a list of reasons why she should retire. Now after Zagitova has one bad skate ( please do not put it on the same par as Shoma, Zagitova did not fall five times) and here you are so fast telling her give up as well. Why I am surprised, you wanted Alina to retire after her winning worlds. So then can continue bad mouthing Eteri that she does not have older skaters and Zagitova is ruining the pic you are painting about Eteri.!For the person who is apparently “concerned” about skaters well being, you are very hypocritical and I hope neither Zhenya nor Alina ever listen to you. Zhenya and Alina will retire when they want to retire and not when you tell them to do so. PS I have not added Jonathan’s name here as he is the one out of two of you who actually has genuine empathy to skaters.
@wq905 4 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with this sentiment, there is an obvious difference in the quality of comments coming from the two. It is even questionable how long it would be before one of the two has to retire because they could have fallen so far relative to the position of the other. Constructive opinion has place, over dramatisation and bias have none.
@begi6850 4 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@ekaterinagalkina8547 4 жыл бұрын
Another thing, with Zagitova she may not be getting the marks she's used to getting but this is the first time she's looked genuinely happy with her programs and seems to enjoy skating them too. she looks like she's skating because she loves too and not just skating for a gold medal. she might be realizing that her time at the top is coming to an end soon which is sad for her but it is a reality
@ivy456 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe, I thought it might be because she's world champion now. Last year she wanted to prove herself and she did. Now that she did she can relax and enjoy skating.
@taylorpowers3401 4 жыл бұрын
Ekaterina Galkina not really “realizing that her time at the top is coming to an end soon” but more like “realizing that she has won every thing imaginable and has reached every goal she has ever set in figure skating”
@garysimmons1485 4 жыл бұрын
mish098aimer ,,,exactly. She has the major titles now, and she realizes her time at the top has quickly passed.
@user-um3dr8pc3p 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer Medvedeva is a much more decorated figure skater in Russia.
@alex8matt 4 жыл бұрын
Alina just had one so so competition this season..and you guys think that’s it she should give up?! Come on She had a great Japan open and Russian open skate and her training has been top notch this season.
@mitsurukurosawa4240 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer Like Evgenia. Zhenya just wants to compete, to have fun... It's not just about gold medals or results.
@moonjer9777 4 жыл бұрын
@@mitsurukurosawa4240 I thought that Zhenya was aiming for the gold at 2022 Olympics. I don't know about this pre Oly seasons tho
@fsmilka8021 4 жыл бұрын
EB18 but Eteri has other girls younger than Trusova Shcherbakova Kostornaya
@annatata1234 4 жыл бұрын
alex8matt don’t worry they hate Alina, she was second in this competition with an amazing skate and they say she should retire... how biased are they wtf
@stephaniesmith1086 4 жыл бұрын
@@annatata1234 she didn't have an amazing long, she fell and some of her jumps were under rotated but were not called. Clearly they are not biased, she didn't skate well and is competing against three 16 year old machines who are winning everything. She doesn't have quads or triple axels so to compete against those girls will be very hard which is what they are saying. If those girls skate clean and Alina skates clean then Alina is 4th, which means she is out.
@anacampos5112 4 жыл бұрын
I cried with Shoma in the end of the FS 😢 Heartbreaking ...
@evelynwashere13 4 жыл бұрын
YES!!! Another one I wanted to hug 😟😟😭😭😭
@Caledonia_night 4 жыл бұрын
Zagitova had one non-perfect skate -- and you already talk about her retirement, this is ridiculous. Calling that fs a wreck is also very strange to me. I cannot help but notice that you always include Zagitova in the title of your videos, but never give her proper attention (less than freakin 2 minutes in the JO coverage lol), unless there is something to critisize her for, of course.
@freddyc8098 4 жыл бұрын
To me it’s the level of competition surpassing Zagitova. Without a 3A or quad can she keep up? Throw a bad skate on top of that and it drives the point further
@tarykagio7349 4 жыл бұрын
I don't like the criticism about Alina , Zhenia and Elizaveta this season. Nobody needs to retire. Skating is about passion to this sport too. If the Quads and Axel girls scares so much to the point make another skaters got to force a early retirement, nobody should compete anymore. I think some people are just really overreacting. This is just progress, like when people said triples was too dangerous to girls and until today nobody dies.
@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s because of her one bad skate. I think it’s just because of the level of talent the 3 girls brought. To go form being the olympic champion, to being beaten by 3 new comers SO FAST can’t be good for someone’s mental state. If she skated her best and all 3 of them also skate their best , the highest she can rank is 4th at an international competition, and that’s the highest, not including rika who has the potential to beat her. I always think you should try and push yourself to achieve more but sometimes you should know when to stop. If she has the passion to keep on going then she should not retire, but competing and being beaten so much, so fast, can ruin her passion for skating completely. Also I know I replied so late and there are new girls and Alina has retired but I’m just going to talk as if it’s still 2019
@debbied2715 4 жыл бұрын
I really like Mariah's free skate, when you see joy in a skater's face it really works.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, you are so wrong! Those colors are 100% 80's! Jonathan is right, pastels were in (and neon) not really primary colors! That shade of pink P&C are wearing was so popular, it was even one of my classes "senior colors" in 1984! "Seafoam Green" was also super popular. Ask you mom. Lol.
@iamkid_a 4 жыл бұрын
TB maybe he will reconsider his position!!
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
@@iamkid_a Maybe you had to be alive in the 80's to fully appreciate them! Whoever designed their costumes was clearly there! Lol.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
They wore primary colors if you watch the clip Gaby posted.
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I didn't see that, but of course workout gear came in many colors. Mostly boring people like me wore the conservative colors. Lol. These colors (light pink/seafoam green) were such trendy, only in the 80's colors. I mean, you'd probably never have seen someone wear BOTH the colors Gabby wears, at the same time, but that's why it's clever & cheeky. Red & blue are such common colors for skatung costumes. Yellow not so much, except Candyman! 🥺
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Oh and of course Fame took place in NYC. Of course edgy, artsy NY youngsters wouldn't wear bright colored leos & tights! 🤣
@xtian384 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like there are three people in this conversation: Dave, Jonathan and Jonathan's eye brows
@Xosidhe 4 жыл бұрын
Poor Shoma-I hope he figures things out and makes it work. His FS sounded like an emotional Yuri on Ice number about trying to get your career together, so maybe it’s about time he gets drunk at a banquet and gets a Russian hottie to be his coach... 😬
@debbied2715 4 жыл бұрын
It was tragic and terrifying! The music was about going it alone but he really needs to cut back on the quads and find a jump coach!
@rop888 4 жыл бұрын
The only Russian hottie I can think of is Raf.
@denalihedgehog 4 жыл бұрын
@@rop888 Eteri?
@DeepSeas.. 4 жыл бұрын
denalihedgehog With that scarecrow hair? Never.
@drlufly 4 жыл бұрын
To me Gaby and Guillaume are not pretentious at all. They are innovating! They are bringing the audience to a new, often overlooked, realm of emotional experience. They are bringing post modern contemporary art into figure skating. We haven't seen anything like that in figure skating. If something is superficial but trying to be not, that's pretentious. They are not pretentious because they are not superficial at all, but rather they have uncanny emotional depth.
@itsmylife9421 4 жыл бұрын
I want Chock and Bates to win nationals so badly! I’m sick of H/D, with or without their crap programs. It’s looking more and more likely and I’m so excited, especially if they clean their finnstep up
@DSQueenie 4 жыл бұрын
But that FD was so awful...
@lc4822 4 жыл бұрын
Me too! I looooove their free dance!
@itsmylife9421 4 жыл бұрын
@@DSQueenie not to most people. and pretty much everyone hates h/d's FD so
@DSQueenie 4 жыл бұрын
itsmy life I’m pretty meh on H/D free too. But I’m not in to C/B either.
@gregalan7936 4 жыл бұрын
Ain’t gonna happen. Hubbell and Donohue are head and shoulders better skaters
@colleenshaughnessy7081 4 жыл бұрын
Shomo is scaring the crap our of me with those jumps. And the Axels especially - I'm terrified he's going to seriously hurt himself.
@terrib627 4 жыл бұрын
I pointed that out earlier in the year when I saw some of his jumps. He was landing so heavy that his knees just looked like they were going to disintegrate.
@garysimmons1485 4 жыл бұрын
Terri B ,,,it didn’t look like his knees were the problem,,,,he was completely off axis, esp. in the triple axel, that there was no way to land it.
@kateholcomb3823 4 жыл бұрын
OMG same
@bonnie9131 4 жыл бұрын
@@garysimmons1485 Yes it was the entries. Axis was way off and off in a different way every time. I am a fan and it worries me. He needs a coach and a good technical advisor. He will be back in form in no time with the right team.
@vicserra2485 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, I bet you that Alina will be in the world team and will win gold or silver in worlds¡¡¡¡ AND im very good in predictions, last year when you talk about Zagitova in Nationals and Europeans i said, IM SURE SHE WILL WIN WORLDS, and im feeling the same this year, idk why, but im sure gold or silver in worlds
@lenavinogradova950 4 жыл бұрын
Than who do you think won't go to World's? Kostornaya or Sherbakova? I mean just look at those scores that they pull at the beginning of the season. I mean I like Alina Zhenya and Liza but let's be honest here, if the three former juniors skate clean, they are going to sweep the podium and there is nothing the other girls could do. I mean Liza has the triple Axels, but she doesn't have the components. Neither do Anna or Sasha but they have the quads, and Sasha's technical score for her last event was 100.20 and that was with a fall on the salchow. Imagine what she can do when she skates a clean free program. And Alena has the same amount of triple Axels as Liza does, but unlike Liza she also has the PCS going for her.
@lenavinogradova950 4 жыл бұрын
Although that is true and Alina can get 155+ for free skate and 80 something for her short, it is still not enough to be on the Russian podium this season. Because these girls here, they can pull close to 80 (or in Alena's case 80), in the short and they already got 160+ in the free, and their season has just started. Those scores will definitely grow and if they skate clean which is very likely, I don't think they are going to let anybody else on that podium. Even if Alina wins the short the point difference in the free will be to big to make up for. Just look at Rika and Trusova, she won the short by 6 points or something, than lost the free by 18. And she is actually much more consistent this season than she was in the last. I think Alina is looking at the fourth place, Zhenya fifth (if she doesn't have another meltdown), and Liza 6th.
@vicserra2485 4 жыл бұрын
@@lenavinogradova950 Reed my comment again, i said no, i dont think they are gonna be clean in worlds.... for me the world team is gonna be Sasha-Alena-Alina and Alina will win gold or silver in Worlds..... again you have your opinion and its ok, come back to this in march ((i repeat im very good in predictions about Alina, last year i said she is not winning GPF, nationals and i said im sure she wins worlds.... this year i see the same history))
@chayaavtzon1507 4 жыл бұрын
I also think we’ll see Alina at worlds. If we were able to see Evgenia there last year after that awful season she had I see no reason why they won’t send Alina. This competition wasn’t her best but it wasn’t nearly as bad as how TSL described it. I heard them describing it and I was expecting a train wreck like what we’ve sometimes seen from Alina and then went to watch it and it was a hand down on a lutz. That’s hardly a disaster.
@begi6850 4 жыл бұрын
@@chayaavtzon1507 I also believe that Alina will be at Worlds.
@Tatiana_B24 4 жыл бұрын
Are you crazy? Look at Shoma's enormous pcs marks at this event (with numerous falls), Medvedeva's pcs (she doesn't even present her programs, she thinks only about jumps). Every skater with titles like Yuzuru, Nathan and so on get their high pcs in any situation. Why Olympic, World and European champion Alina shouldn't be given them? She did only one mistake in her free skate. She was skating with emotions, did all her choreography. It's a complete nonsense what you're saying.
@user-gw2tg3jf2v 4 жыл бұрын
Double standarts... What do you want from them? They just don't like Alina.
@elisams8030 4 жыл бұрын
Alina was OFF the music! I'm a musician so you can believe me .. Kostornaia deserves higher pcs than Alina, artistically she has more potential than Zagitova
@AlinaHadredin 4 жыл бұрын
@@elisams8030 You being musician doesn't mean everyone has to trust you in your judgement. I am musician as well and have no idea wth you are talking about.
@sparkl121 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in the minority- I love Pavliuchenko/Khodykin. He's chill and calm, giving that pep talk before each skate(love), and she is all business- no smiling for her. I love them the way I loved Sui/Han back when they were sloppy little kids and almost everyone hated their skating, except stylistically P/K are more like little Stolbova/Klimov with a better twist. That said, I can't wait for S/H next week.
@tylervandy2543 4 жыл бұрын
She doesn’t quite remind me of Stolbova yet but maybe she’ll develop.
@LaChicaMadrilena 4 жыл бұрын
I was there in Grenoble and I wouldn't change a thing about P/C's costumes. These are not light pastels, they really pop. And, gosh, don't they look absolutely increadible. I don't know which one is sexier, him or her. The moment their group entered the ice at the practice and we saw the costumes for the first time, my god! People were actually screaming in delight. I wasn't too sure about the FD at first, but seeing it in person was just mindblowing. People were clapping after the lifts and so on, but other than that you could have heard a pin drop. But Dave is totally entitled to say he is not emotionally touched yet, everyone feels such art differently and that's what is cool about it. I'm just saying that I stopped breathing for those 4 minutes. Lol Jonathan rubbing in they won the FD at the olympics! :D
@emilytan4223 4 жыл бұрын
5 mins in. I really miss Dave’s facial expressions😢😢
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Emily Tan I am so sorry. It was a technical glitch. The test shots we always do showed both of us.
@Angel-xe2tl 4 жыл бұрын
same but johnathan is good looking so its nice to the eyes hahahah (dont worry dave, you are good looking too.) 😂😂😂😂😂
@Frooti.loopz23 4 жыл бұрын
Oh I thought it was just me
@debbied2715 4 жыл бұрын
Angel I agree! lol sorry Jonathan but it's those damn curls
@grisgris6908 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Aymoz!!!! Giving all the feels and I was here for it. I’m buyin whatever he’s sellin
@evelynwashere13 4 жыл бұрын
Isn't he the sweetest??? I wanted to give him such a big hug!!! ❤❤❤
@anastasiaorlova2062 4 жыл бұрын
You profound yourself an experts yet you treshtalk Alina again. Like, seriously, it wasn’t her best performances, but what about -5 goe for a LzLoop in the short? What about the created from the air edge calls? You say Mariah should be second. Truth is Alina should had a better margin from SP. PS: I’m extremely happy Mariah skated that great, because she is one of my favs in ladies field. But don’t say like she wasn’t awarded some extra points, because if the judges are so strict, she should get some unders and edge calls as well.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Disagree, Zagitova's loop in the free deserved
@JustSmileBiitch 4 жыл бұрын
Her combo in the short did not hit any +GOE bullet, had a properly called "e", a UR that should have been a
@olivaolivova2128 4 жыл бұрын
Isabella Nicolini. Alina was underscored! That’s the fact! When judges would have scored every other skater so as they judged Alina, then will be Aljona K first, Alina Z second, than a big big gap, ... and then might be Mariah Bell coming from the distance!
@yvyv8019 4 жыл бұрын
@@JustSmileBiitch Video shows lutz in short was outside edge But I do not see her getting pass 3A.
@user-gw2tg3jf2v 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer what's wrong with your eyes? It was outside.
@debbied2715 4 жыл бұрын
I confess that I love Kaori's Matrix program because it's my favorite movie trilogy.
@officeaddict33 4 жыл бұрын
I think the music and style suits her.
@rywilk 4 жыл бұрын
I love it too. One of the most enjoyable programs this season for sure.
@kirikou306 4 жыл бұрын
Ok guys. I am French. And I find it funny that the music with the vocals on it for Papadakis & Cizeron's FD sounds pretentious for some. I understand it can feel strange or not your style. It is maybe a different sensitivity some may have (or not) to view it as "pretentious". I just see it as "very emo". Now wether you can let yourself feel that kind of "emo" is another thing. Some won't just abandon themselves to that kind of sensitivity or feelings. In my opinion you have to be very confident with your emotions to abandon yourself in that program without feeling shame, weakness or boredom, feeling it is ridicuslously emo or pretentious then. And that's what I like about P&C. They go for it. I don't think they are pretentious for skating to such soundtrack but just that not everybody is willing to let themselves dive into that kind of atmosphere. Sometime it can feel too emo to take. But sometimes it looks so light and sensitive. You have to be in the mood that will get you appreciate their artwork.
@grisgris6908 4 жыл бұрын
kirikou306 so well articulated. I love this program
@gogroregogoror 4 жыл бұрын
man i gotta say, I don't even watch Dance category but I LOVED this program. I always find time to watch Papadakis and Cizeron and they always come up with something new and intriguing. I was touched by their FD :)
@carlborrowman3008 4 жыл бұрын
The French are known for pushing things artistically. This music is an example of this. At first I thought "eye roll", but then I began to like it. It also helps give musical form to the program. Also, you will never forget this program, and one of the reasons is the music they put together for it.
@kirikou306 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys for your positive feedbacks :)
@mlomarechal7214 4 жыл бұрын
Merci pour votre ouverture d'esprit. Vous avez parfaitement exprimé ce que je pense également.
@annfotlyan8655 4 жыл бұрын
Poor Shoma...he has some of the best SS, too much talent to waste.......needs a coach ASAP
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Agree
@meaganbooks179 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson he is going to Stephan for a week before going to Russia cup but i'm not sure that Stephan is a good match for him he needs a coach but for his jumps maybe a Russian coach
@paolocastellano2771 4 жыл бұрын
@@meaganbooks179 he needs to go to Mishin...
@katedouthat6918 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus christ, this was out fast! You guys are on your A game.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
If only technology complied!
@katedouthat6918 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson It's okay. I just imagined what your expressions and reactions looked like. I'm just sad that I couldn't see Katia, Dorothy, and Kristi. Hopefully next time technology will be in your favor.
@courtneysokal6590 4 жыл бұрын
I know. I only just finished watching the isu coverage lol
@msmo2060 4 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry I disagree about Scherbokova. I can’t get over the way she holds her feet - it looks so odd in spins, etc... I don’t know if I can describe it correctly
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you then be agreeing that she is like Sasha Cohen from head to ankle...
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
They have differences, of course. But Sasha Cohen was known for her artistry and musicality above all else. And the only one that comes close to that in many years is Shcherbakova. It's something we haven't seen in a very long time and it's very shocking and appreciated. She doesn't have amazing SS or perfectly straight legs, but it's the innate musicality that can't be taught or replicated.
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
@lawomann You've got to look past Anna's skating skills because they're not great. But look at the changes in her posture, movement of her body and arms, to the nuances in the music. And the changes in tension. Then listen to the music carefully - she's on every beat of it. She's not the actor type skater that we see from Alena and Alina (who are great at portraying characters and moods) but she feels the actual notes and nuances of the music. A great example is JGPF SP last year, where she botches all the jumps and messes up the spins, yet she's still on every beat of the music and the performance is still perfect. She changes the choreography to hit the next beat of music after she falls, it's instinctive and she's never playing catch up to the music.
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
@@evanperilstein5308 Difference of opinion then, because I've haven't seen anyone that reminded me of Sasha Cohen until I saw Anna's Dreamcatcher performance. I see a lot of Yuna Kim and Carolina Kostner in Alena, though. Yuna had the beautiful fluid arms and fingers. Of course Carolina had the skating skills and lyrical movements.
@naomiberry7901 4 жыл бұрын
I can't get on the Scherbakova train. Every time she jumps I cringe. Her legs are so skinny, I'm afraid she's gonna jump one day and snap it in half (again!) Sasha Cohen was known for her flexibility... Scherbakova doesn't have that. Maybe if she gains a little weight I can appreciate her more. For now, Alena looks like the more complete package to me. Beautiful musicality, jumps, and SO SO light on her feet... and she doesn't look like she's going to break at any second :-)
@cdw3497 4 жыл бұрын
I'm with Jonathan on P&C! I feel this free dance more than last year's & those costumes for the rhythm dance are PERFECT! :D :D Thank you for another great episode!!!!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@morena6717 4 жыл бұрын
I always love to hear your take, especially about Shoma! Thank you!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely skater!
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
Up to 43:33. Ladies 44:33 to 1:03:13 . Men (not the good ones but until the master somes along, just a bit, i'll keep updating as I go) Up to 1:27:35 Ice Dance 1:27:35 Pairs begin
@claudsk33 4 жыл бұрын
im working on them atm
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
@@claudsk33 ok, I am closing this know then... not that I don't wanna do it, but English is not my language so I don't do it well enough. Tx!
@BahamaWynters 4 жыл бұрын
Claudia! Go, magic fingers, go! Will wait; you're worth it. THANKS DuniaR.
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
@@BahamaWynters tx, i will take it off tomorrow (4 am here... ;) ) tx to Claudia as well!
@Ardit-kq4bt 4 жыл бұрын
Who the f** are both of you to say that Alina Zagitova should retire? She is just 17 yo one year older than Kostornaia. The performance she did in both short and free were amazing. She is so enjoyable to watch ✨✨✨
@iris7484 4 жыл бұрын
everybody knows she's going to have a harder and harder time getting out of Russia as the younger girls come up; this is an issue and the reality for every single Russian Senior Lady, which is why the speculation about retirement keeps coming up for all of them, not just Zagitova. If they skated for any other country, it wouldn't be an issue, but with the field so deep in Russia, it's not stupid to be thinking early on about what your life after skating is going to look like.
@rahelhorvat1471 4 жыл бұрын
@@iris7484 thanks, you gave a clear and realistic answer and yes, that is the reality for every Russian senior lady, not only Zagitova, in 2 years, this is likely to happen to the quad girls, who will be replaced by Valieva, etc.
@iris7484 4 жыл бұрын
@Lucky gem exactly. There's just a lot of uncertainty in this corner of the skating world, so in my opinion, I would like to see Zagitova keep skating, because I really like the calm, confident energy she's bringing this year which I didn't get from her before. And it's also smart to consider her options for the future, and whether retiring at the top is going to broaden those horizons, and how waiting to retire and being gradually pushed off the podium could affect them. It's impossible to know the future, so (and I'm sure she knows this), she has some difficult questions in front of her about what she wants out of life. Everyone faces those questions, and she just has some special circumstances to consider.
@natalirios2510 4 жыл бұрын
kosternaia watching mariah bell sp was a moment too....
@yohanes2034 4 жыл бұрын
Do you havea time stamp for that? I'd like to see it. I hope next year Alena picks the similar music to hallelujah. This season FP music is rough to say the least.
@rop888 4 жыл бұрын
I loved how she went and watched all the skaters.
@MrChaseBlue 4 жыл бұрын
@@yohanes2034 But honestly the way she performed that here, she elevated it and it feels right for her if she skates like how she did here.
@lenamiura9223 4 жыл бұрын
@@yohanes2034 she’s standing beside Raf when Mariah gets off the ice and you can see her watching during the replays Lol
@yohanes2034 4 жыл бұрын
@@lenamiura9223 yeah thanks I was looking at the FS performance and did not read your comment carefully lol. It's funny how intent her look watching Mariah.
@annfotlyan8655 4 жыл бұрын
Sherbakova still has weak SS compared to Kostorn.
@virginiana3783 4 жыл бұрын
Not as weak as Trusova's.
@chayaavtzon1507 4 жыл бұрын
Lynette Constantinides actually worse than Trusova
@kcesca 4 жыл бұрын
EVERYBODY has weak skating skills compard to Kostornaia. Girl is top 5 in the world right now out of both men and ladies.
@iris7484 4 жыл бұрын
@Sherbertkova Shcherbakova's edges are not deep, though she does more with her performance than Trusova, for sure. She gets her edges from her ankles, which gives the appearance of being deep, but has no weight and thus no power behind it, and allows her to avoid the issue of how to properly manage her center of gravity. It puts strain on her knees, hips, and lower back, so if she puts on any weight at all, it's going to manifest in injuries in these three areas. Sorry to go off like this, but the way she skates - quads aside - is going to damage her body. Trusova may not look better, but she is technically more sound.
@clockwork_psycho 4 жыл бұрын
All of the skaters have weak SS compared to Kostornaya )))
@lindaallison5338 4 жыл бұрын
I love P&C's RD, I keep going back to it, but I think they need a different rotational lift at the end - something more wild and reckless.
@MartychM 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone wrote off Zagitova last year after RusNats but then she went on to win Worlds against Kihira's 3A. I think we're all forgetting the fact that Eteri's newcomers (Shcherbakova, Kostornaia and Trusova) aren't experienced with big competitions and that this year is their senior debut season. If they go to Worlds and don't do their jumps right under all that pressure, their chances for a gold are slim. Why is everyone so sure that the girls will be 100% clean with their quads and 3A's? Kostornaia incorporated her 3A two months ago, and I don't know if she's gonna be able to go in a toe-to-toe battle against Kihira's 3A. Behind the scenes, Kostornaia had a lot of trouble with her 3A during the practices, she just isn't quite there yet, and NHK is her real test - going against Kihira, a skater who's very similar to her. Also, RusFed can be very strict, they look for someone with confidence and endurance and I think that they're not going to send Shcherbakova, and possibly put Zagitova in the team for Worlds. // 20:09 Zagitova's first outing this season wasn't bad, she looked relaxed and in my opinion, taking a silver isn't automatically an achievement that leads to a career retirement.
@Anna1996tm 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you!!
@Powerof923 4 жыл бұрын
Wakaba and Kaori I would actually die for. Always such interesting choreo, and they sell it.
@mathilde139 4 жыл бұрын
Mariah was so calm, focused, toned, poised and honestly wonderful. I always liked her, but she showed her star quality here. She truly won the audience over during her free skate, not just as beautiful but as the whole damn package. Her confidence is amazing this season and I am so happy for her.
@Frooti.loopz23 4 жыл бұрын
Same here, I hope she keeps up the momentum.
@TheSaintbx 4 жыл бұрын
She fills part of the void Ashley Wagner left behind. I have loved her programs since last year.
@a9029k 4 жыл бұрын
TheSaintbx I feel like she’s the opposite of Ashley Wagner in every way lol
@Xosidhe 4 жыл бұрын
She demonstrated the best revenge is to live a good life
@lc4822 4 жыл бұрын
She was really standout in the free but am I the only one who isnt impressed by the short? She looks Great but the program does nothing for me.
@petyunya880206 4 жыл бұрын
In Russian Nationals only 1st and 2nd automatically guarantee the spots in World team. The last spot is decided by Russian figure commettie ( by colleague of coaches). So even though Zagitova finishes 4th in National she could be elected for a 3rd spot ( if she shows clean performance with solid jumps). Or she could be taken to European Championships and 3rd place in Nationals will be sent to Worlds.
@petyunya880206 4 жыл бұрын
@Nathaniel Walker agree. But who knows what the commettie will come up with. In my opinion too 3As for a current moment are more preferred for Worlds team.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Agree
@kcesca 4 жыл бұрын
The only one I can see them replacing is Anna because they could argue that gold at her gp assignments was easier won than silver at Alinas. They won't replace Sasha and, unless she bombs at gpf/nationals, they can't justify replacing Alena if she beats Alina at both gp.
@lc4822 4 жыл бұрын
Anna has to land her lutzes, if she misses them she might end up off the podium
@manuefige 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe skaters who have achieved certain results during the season should automatically qualify for worlds, regardless of their nationalities. And then the countries who don't have a skater who qualified could send whoever they want. Because if you win a world championship without Alina, Alena, Sasha or Anna, you aren't really the best in the world...
@Trixy98 4 жыл бұрын
I thought my screen was glitching in the beginning lmao. Those dolls need to get a well-deserved cameo next video Dave! Also, Kevin's Frenchness was in full display in so many ways and I'm here for it.
@jesuisleslie8509 4 жыл бұрын
🤭 You guys dislike Alina 👑🥇 and yet, you need her name in your KZfaq thumbnails. Even if you talk about her for 2min. in order that you can be heard! Also, if she decides to retire, she will do with a forever crown. Her name will be remembered in all generations! Luv 💗U guys 🤗!!!
@garysimmons1485 4 жыл бұрын
Je suis Leslie ,,,i never heard them say they dislike Alina,,,they just realize her time at the top has passed.
@jesuisleslie8509 4 жыл бұрын
@@garysimmons1485 It was known since Worlds '19 her time is over, nothing new about it. Indeed, Zagitova is not their cup of tea. Listen to their antagonistic snarky comments from other videos towards Eteri's girls. Except for Kostornaia.
@AlinaHadredin 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer you are under every comment that confronts creators of the video about their obvious biases and dislikes for certain skaters. If they pretend to know FS, they at least should try to be a bit more professional and leave biases for night bed talk in private. They dont need you to defend them under every comment. The fact that there are so many people noticing certain pattern and moods in the video says a lot. Whether intentional or not, that what is being delivered through the screen. Bias, bias, bias.
@AlinaHadredin 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer Biasly bashing someone in a "oh mah gahwd, she needs to retiiire", and objectively going over certain errors and details are two different things. Especially when they do it for SOME skaters only. Just stop. Are you getting paid to go under every honest opinion about this channel and try to defend them? Because it is useless. Just stop. End of story.
@AlinaHadredin 4 жыл бұрын
@mish098aimer You dont have to try so hard. They sound exactly how they sound. Like unprofessional blabbing content creators that seek a lot of views under the disguise of FS analysts.
@sarahmoellenberg 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting this out so quickly!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Sarah Moellenberg
@fsmilka8021 4 жыл бұрын
Timestamps, pls
@virginiana3783 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure we'll ever see Maria Sotskova in international competition again. Like Radionova and Pogorilaya, she may just disappear into the Russian mists.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Very likely.
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
Very sad. It's like the Russian Blvd of Broken Dreams! ☹️
@kcesca 4 жыл бұрын
@@tb4522 What broken dreams? She's an Olympian whose had a fantastic career and has made no secret that now her priority is studying. I doubt she's crying into her pillow every night because unlike certain other skaters (looking at you, Evgenia ), she's ensured she also has a full life off the ice.
@tb4522 4 жыл бұрын
@@kcesca Do you mean Sotskova? Glad to hear it, but why is she putting herself through painful competitions then?
@ColonelGreen 4 жыл бұрын
We'll always have the memory of that free skate dress.
@readcomics4life 4 жыл бұрын
Such efficiency! Always appreciate the effort to give us the extra speedy recap after the competition!!!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
@nalima2010 4 жыл бұрын
Did I imagine there being timestamps at one point? They disappeared all of a sudden 😣
@nataliaivanova1035 4 жыл бұрын
I remember you objected to one of the comments in earlier episodes that said “The Americans always do that!” I thought your response was very reasonable. The more surprising it is to hear from you similar words about Russians and Canadians. Something about pot and kettle comes to mind ))
@mrsampulliam 4 жыл бұрын
Mariah Bell has been hanging in there and battling it out for years. I hope it all comes together for her this season. Plus she has that classic beautiful figure skater look. I'm rooting for her and Bradie. And I hope to see a woman on top in the US, not a child.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
They are both really working hard!
@mrsampulliam 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Yeah, I can tell. Thanks
@mrsampulliam 4 жыл бұрын
@lawomann I really like Dave's theory about Mariah being fired up this season because of Enn-soo Lim. I really want to see her go for it no matter what her motivation is. I really love Bradie's, dare I say sexy SP. We haven't seen her like that before. It looks like both of these ladies are putting out their best this season. We haven't had it this good in the US since the Gracie/Ashley days. I want to see Bradie and Mariah hand out spankings all season long.
@slickstone 4 жыл бұрын
Mariah is in it to win it this season. Last season, she was just peaked towards the end of the season and now she’s cleanly landing her 3+3’s. Rooting for her!
@mrsampulliam 4 жыл бұрын
@@slickstone Mariah is a very beautiful representative of our country. So is Bradie. I really hope they do well. I can't wait to see them battle each other at Nationals.
@alisonmidgley107 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Haven’s skating skills and jumps would improve SO much if she could just bend her knees past a 5 degree angle. I’ve never seen anyone take off/land and do cross-overs on such straight legs before. I wish she would just bend them!
@kaitlynclem5967 4 жыл бұрын
She had some pretty intense knee surgery a few years ago, so maybe that has something to do with it.
@alisonmidgley107 4 жыл бұрын
Kaitlyn Clem - thanks - that’s what I was wondering might be the issue
@justynazokiewska8223 4 жыл бұрын
Abt Charlene and Marco it was a wow thing that they even were in France. He not so long ago had to undergo hand surgery because they had an accident and she cut his tendon in hand with the blade. So he is not able to bend his fingers and I don’t know if you noticed it’s a right hand so it’s basically his leading hand. They had to rework both dances a bit because he’s not able to perform most of the lifts. And they decided something like Thursday that they will go bc they wanted too.
@wq905 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched two of their talks recently and realised they have definitely got very biased opinions against certain skaters (mostly Russian skaters probably?), they had to refer Evgenia, Alina, Alena, Yuzuru or even Eteri's name under their subject title to gain attention otherwise who would watch their videos? It is definitely a ruse to get people to listen to their comments, but when you do listen you find that all they say is very negative. We hear lots of comments about needing to retire simply because of one or two falls in a game, this is very unprofessional from figure skating analysts. Nothing more than click-bait.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Sally Rudkin the top skaters names are listed next to the title for purposes of search engine optimization.
@wq905 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Exactly...Click-bait.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
@@wq905 False. Search Engine Optimization- and we covered all of them in the video. If we didn't, that would be click bait.
@wq905 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Search Engine Optimisation would suggest the content was worthy relative to the search term, objectively the proportionality says that isn't true. Subjectively there is enough on these comments to confirm it isn't true. However you call it, there is something unrepresentative and disingenuous about the way its done here. Lets all agree and move on...
@AlinaHadredin 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more with you. I opened this video thinking that it will be a professional discussion of past and upcoming events in figure skating, but it turned out to be a biased blabbing soaked with dislike towards particular skaters (khm khm Russian khmm khmm Zagitova). I have made a mistake thinking that they are actually FS analysts. Never again. Waste of time. If I want biased unprofessional discussion as the one on the video, I'd rather go read some comments under FS Instagram posts.
@slickstone 4 жыл бұрын
Loved your comment about Mariah Dave regarding the situation with Eun Soo. It’s quite obvious that the Koreans tried to sensationalize and accuse her for an honest minor mistake. Now she’s rising up and Eun Soo is barely floating this season.
@L.Spencer 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that was an accident.
@PeiwenTanbassoon821 4 жыл бұрын
I'm with Jonathan on Kevin Aymoz with the Horns program is the best!
@boyeup7573 4 жыл бұрын
Ok first of all, who the hell am I defending PC as a VM fan? LOL that SD was BRILLIANT. I hate anything 80s related but I loved EVERYTHING about this short dance (except for the last lift, that was a bit of a dud - I think they can do better). I loved the pink and blue and the fact that they weren't too matchy with Gui's pants and headband a few shades darker. Was it worthy of a WR? Probably not, their pattern wasn't the best and some parts were a little iffy ... Anyway their FD choreo was stunning but I'm not a fan of the spoken word ... I appreciate them trying to be their usual old contemporary selves, but it wasn't working for me
@eljj7968 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, out of curiosity, have you ever worn Edeas? I always find your comments interesting about them freezing the ankles and looking bulky, as they probably allow for more ankle flexibility that any other brand of skate. They are extremely flexible in the ankle and loose at the top, allowing for pointed toes and good knee bend (and yes, I wear them). I do wish skaters wouls clean them more though! The dirty mesh on ice flies and pianos looks awful, I don’t understand why they don’t put some polish on them.
@alfredskilton 4 жыл бұрын
I've noticed the molding of the "toe box" part interrupts the line and makes the toes look less pointed compared to the traditional teardrop shape of leather boots.
@fashionmwah 4 жыл бұрын
Wow... it just ended today and you guys posted already!!! Dang! Impressive at the very least. Hehehe!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Decided to be efficient!
@Frooti.loopz23 4 жыл бұрын
What coach would you recommend for Starr?? I absolutely hate wasted potential
@janetjohn3539 4 жыл бұрын
Dave! "I think they can be pretentious and believe in what they are doing!" Absolutely! I live in NYC and I know a lot of people like that totally earnest in their pretentiousness.
@shmyshmys 4 жыл бұрын
Is Alina rotating her jumps in practice? Specially her Ltz Loop combo. That is what I want to know.
@erikhai1 4 жыл бұрын
Have you seen Tuktamysheva's planned program content for Cup of China yet? (they just posted some hours ago.)
@Lily0713 4 жыл бұрын
Could anybody explain how these additional assignments for GP are decided? I am wondering how ISU came to the decision to chose Yujin Choi cuz it doesn’t look like she can even do 3-3 jumps. Yelim Kim won 2 silver medals last season at JGP so I was thinking she would be the one to get an additional assignment if I were to chose someone from Korea.
@dreybella5309 4 жыл бұрын
And here I thought I was going to wait a day for this. You guys work super fast 😘😘😘 keep it up guys!
@grisgris6908 4 жыл бұрын
Omg I HATE the Cain/Leduc pre-skate drama they do. It is so pretentious. It also annoys me that they do all that, but then drop it as they enter center ice. If you’re gonna do all the drama, maintain it all the way to the starting position!!
@evelynwashere13 4 жыл бұрын
Yes!!! They seem to have gotten cocky this year.
@burythecastle97 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the russian man, Anton Shulepov's Schlinder's list costume. Considering people were so heated about Satoko's first costume. This was borderline abhorrent
@virginiana3783 4 жыл бұрын
Where are Vanessa and Morgan? I was really looking forward to seeing their new programs.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
She did Battle of the Blades and they decided to take the Grand Prix off.
@virginiana3783 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Wow. That does NOT seem like a smart decision!
@DSQueenie 4 жыл бұрын
Lynette Constantinides James is a bit older and I think they both realised they needed to pace themselves more competition wise if they’re gonna make it to the Olympics. Last season they peaked to early.
@virginiana3783 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent point, DSQueenie! I hadn't thought of it that way.
@evelynwashere13 4 жыл бұрын
@@virginiana3783 I don't think she expected to get voted off so early, I was shocked too. They'd said at the beginning of the season that they would probably miss GP, depending on the results and Morgan was supposed to be their trainer but he was training a Jr. pairs team. I'm filling in blanks from IG but since they weren't together they couldn't practice. From what I understand they'll be starting again soon. She was with John and Sylvia at Skate America and posted about missing being in competition. And they've mentioned getting started again but they're not going to hit every competition but are definitely going for Olympics.
@danicaz1163 4 жыл бұрын
My heart broke for Shoma, and I can't help but put some of the blame on the JSF.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Why do you blame the federation?
@danicaz1163 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson I may be taking this on a whole new personal level, but I don't understand why no one sits with him at the K&C given the vulnerability of the skater at that time, and he'd been coachless for almost half a year. I remember when JSF decided to send Yuzu to Orser back in 2014, so I don't understand why they don't do thesame to Shoma-send him to a coach that will fit him, unless he is very, very stubborn and want to do it alone. I just want to hug him🥺🥺
@TheSaintbx 4 жыл бұрын
Did you ever consider Shoma is taking control of his career to his liking? Tons of other sports contain athletes who see their scores on their own. Then they move on. He might be loving his new freedom. We don’t know unless he comments on this.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
TheSaintbx perhaps you missed the kiss and cry today.
@danicaz1163 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSaintbx I was okay with that at the beginning, I know it might have been so painful for him to not be in the podium at the World's in his own country so he had to reevaluate his current status and his future. But it had been 6 mos! And the Fed should have intervened, that's why they were there in the first place, to make decisions for the good of their arhletes. We might have seen Shoma for several years in skating but he is still so young. I was on the verge of tears after his fs, and when I saw a hint of what could be tears running down his cheeks at the K&C where he was so alone, I admit, I lost my shit, and I need someone to blame. I went with the obvious-the JSF. I hope they do something ASAP.
@claudsk33 4 жыл бұрын
Dave you're not on screen? (EDIT: I should've read the description first)
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Fourth comment stating the obvious.
@claudsk33 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson damn. i got the pewter. nevertheless, i'm time stamping now.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Claudia
@anacampos5112 4 жыл бұрын
Blues for Klooks is Daisuke 💙 leave it alone!!!
@mjamitche5245 4 жыл бұрын
I love your recap videos. But, your thumbnail is a spoiler! I don't get to watch the competition until next week on the Olympic channel. I always come back and watch your recap on each skater using the time stamps, while I pause the actual meet/competition (I'm from the gymnastics world).
@dreybella5309 4 жыл бұрын
too early that the person that makes the time stamps isn't here yet 🤣 watching it anyways then rewatching when the stamps are here
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
She is already working at them
@dreybella5309 4 жыл бұрын
@@nvadqs I am forever greatful ♥️♥️♥️
@hikkirocks 4 жыл бұрын
LOVED the debate about pretentiousness!! My bf and I had exactly the same debate about movies. He (who is a Madonna fan) called this obscure movie "pretentious." And I was like no honey, do you remember W.E.? THAT's pretentious, citing exactly the same argument Jonathan, you bought up here (intention, yada yada yada). Anyway Jonathan, I'm on your side!
@hikkirocks 4 жыл бұрын
How was P&C "trying to appear more than what they possess"?! Just saying'! adjective attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed
@DaveSha 4 жыл бұрын
#teamjonathan
@Becca3232 4 жыл бұрын
Dave, your facial expressions were missed 😘
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Becca3232 so sorry! Technical glitch!
@Becca3232 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson no worries, I appreciate how quickly you and Jonathan put these together. I know you'll be back next week 😘
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
On a Saturday!!!!!!! How lucky we are!
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
I have just finished reading the comments and I can't stop laughing. I am not sure if "where is Dave" is the new "code word" for followers of TSL to recognise one another and tell trolls. If it is, I am sorry, I didn't get that memo, but I am gonna keep up. So, wait for it.. "Wheres is Dave"? 😂
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being the millionth person to ask the obvious and not read the description box.
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson I read it, this is why I found it hilarious. First thing I read the description and the the comments and I couldn't believe it! I was trying to make a joke about it, i guess not being English my language, i didn't manage to get what I intended. Sorry
@anne-sophie5219 4 жыл бұрын
@@nvadqs I got it
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
@@anne-sophie5219 thanks a lot! How sweet from you!
@Cami_2006. 4 жыл бұрын
Now that Zagitova is not at the top of Eteri’s pyramid anymore they should at least work on her posture and ss, her shoulders are always so high up/tense it looks like she doesn’t have a neck. I feel like they at least owe it to her.
@DamirNa 4 жыл бұрын
)) Posture is correct. She is not from the European race.
@tardis9871 4 жыл бұрын
Timestamps anyone?
@nvadqs 4 жыл бұрын
@SkatingLesson Dave, I couldn't agree more with you about P/C. First of all I do love both programmes. You notice the work, the nuances, the interpretation, the timing, they are masterpieces (and I loved your comparison with Prince, because it is so on point: taking a pattern completely out of the expected... you do forgett it is a Finnstep!); yet, not having been my favourites before, last year they blew my mind. The TR is a programme I could watch forever, and the FD was one of my all time favourites, (and I am a huge V/M fan). And this year I notice their greatness, but it is not the same. BTW, I finally got what you mean by artsy in yout tw. I have to look that word up (an Spaniard living in Spain here) and the definitions where kind of contradictory: now I get what you meant, kudos)
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
DuniaR 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@aliecatze4922 4 жыл бұрын
It's a lovely character study of Jonathan. Hope to see Dave's animated face back again next week.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
alie catze
@lisa-lisa-lisa 4 жыл бұрын
if this is gonna become a thing, we need to get Jonathan a Dorothy at minimum
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Lisa Critzer who doesn’t need one?!
@lisa-lisa-lisa 4 жыл бұрын
even Kat is nodding her head to this
@a9029k 4 жыл бұрын
Soon it will be time to bring back the Michelle Kwan snow globe
@lisa-lisa-lisa 4 жыл бұрын
@@a9029k oh she stays out all year with the Peggy and Kristi xmas ornaments
@alexjwebabou 4 жыл бұрын
those comments on G&G...Don't let go of Dave, Jonathan! something's pulling him to the dark side!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@anaksimandran 4 жыл бұрын
Do you think Young You's 3A was fully rotated in Skate Canada? It was much less rotated than Alena's 3A. Still noone mentioned it before.
@iskracruz464 4 жыл бұрын
Me too, I love the horns program for Kevin Aymoz
@wafayafine1787 4 жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this! IDF 2019 was crazy. Did you guys see how bad the ice was?
@lemongan 4 жыл бұрын
Well, it wasn't when you were there in person...
@rop888 4 жыл бұрын
Nathan and Romain both mentioned it was too hard after the puddles. I guess they tried to fix the problem and just made another problem?
@nguyenhoangtinhhai5415 4 жыл бұрын
I heard that the ice was too soft at the SP time when lots of skater struggle with the Loop jump (the jump which needs the best ice condition). Then they did something made the ice became too hard.
@ramitodevioletas575 4 жыл бұрын
Wafa Yafine : YES, terrible. And the rink very small very uncomfortable for the skaters.
@benbailey159bb 4 жыл бұрын
I think Shoma might have been ill because he looked like he'd run a marathon at the end of the SP which is unusual. It would explain how he went so massively downhill in the space of a few weeks
@peruanitaenoloron 4 жыл бұрын
It's not fair to call their FD as pretentious. Each couple brings something new to the construction of the ice dance and P/C have clear objectives of leaving a different legacy. Is that why we must treat their programs as pretentious?. If we analyze objectively, this is a year without dangerous rivals for them and they could explore new horizons. If the head develop, the rest of couples follows. Maybe at the future we will watch programs with more interesting contents. Every year we're expecting more of them, well !!! For me, that's new and for that cheers!
@mlomarechal7214 4 жыл бұрын
Perfectly said. I agree with you.
@sywillis62 4 жыл бұрын
Where has Eteri been? Haven’t seen her at the last two GPS. She’s such a presence.☺️
@rahelhorvat1471 4 жыл бұрын
@B. she has too many students this season in senior level as well as junior, which need to be prepared in between events, which go for every week, so Dani and Dudakov split their time to travel with the girls. Last season they only had Alina in the senior group, so perhaps they wanted to gain experience, this year there is no choice, she needs to stay home to train, but she will sure appear at final event and will likely appear this next week in Moscow.
@herm712 4 жыл бұрын
I'm freaking out! Where are the time stamps?!?!?!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
They are tagged in the comments.
@zb6070 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know what is worse: Watching Shoma fall or knowing that Jill is also watching Shoma fall and just waiting to get Kendall another solo.
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
I think it would be wise for Alina to continue through this quad if she wants to. She might not as she's already won everything, but it's important to note she hasn't lost her jumps (not like Yulia, Elena, and Evgenia did when the next crop came up) and still has some of the best spins and most difficult layout of the non quadters/3Aers. She's the 4th Russian right now, but also arguably 4th in the world. And the big advantage is she's through puberty where as the new seniors are not, and there are still several seasons to the olympics. She can improve slowly and may be presented with an opportunity should the others struggle. She's not in the place of Liza or Evgenia where it looks more impossible to come back on top. Kamila of course is a contender for the olympic season as well, but I don't really see a threat in Daria or Maiia (or Kanysheva, Sinitsina) as much.
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
She could not stalk up against Rika right now.
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Not the way she skated here. It'll depend on how she skates in NHK - more like in France or more like Japan Open and test skates. If the mistakes she made in France become her normal, then it's problematic. But if this was the fluke and she's skating like she did at JO, I think she can match Rika (especially if Rika hasn't regained her lutzes). However even with the poor skate in France, she's still the 4th Russian doing better than Liza and Evgenia so an opportunity may present itself.
@kcesca 4 жыл бұрын
She already has chronic health issues, she doesn't need the added physical pressure of jumping quads. She's won everything, there's nothing to gain and everything to lose by forcing it, so just let her be happy and healthy until she decides she's done.
@Helen-me1vn 4 жыл бұрын
@@kcesca She doesn't have chronic health issues lol. She had Osgoode-Schattler which was during her growth spurt. She doesn't look like she's grown in a while, and she hasn't spoke about the pain recently
@annwhite1 4 жыл бұрын
@Helen My exact thoughts. Totally agree with you. I think her coaches know it either. To early to think she's out.
@allieivanova7685 4 жыл бұрын
Canadians and Russians are not so different. A sharp observation. An accurate one.
@joanneolsen5635 4 жыл бұрын
I’m Canadian and yes we are nationalistic but for me, in figure skating, I like the skater’s abilities not the country they are from
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@thewaitisogre 4 жыл бұрын
dave you’ve never looked better! did you do something with your hair?
@TheSaintbx 4 жыл бұрын
thewaitisogre Legit thought this was Fran commenting. 🤣
@danicaz1163 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSaintbx OMG, I had to see her pic up close to make sure!
@thewaitisogre 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSaintbx what an honor
@olena89 4 жыл бұрын
Finaly!!! I’ve been waiting for you guys!!!!
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
olena89
@Marlboroboy123. 4 жыл бұрын
Chardonnay or Pinot Grigio?
@davidandrusia137 4 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if Satoko has officially withdrawn from her Grand Prix assignments?
@TheSkatingLesson 4 жыл бұрын
David Andrusia she just won the silver in China
@davidandrusia137 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson Yay! That's my girl. Thank you for the update.
@iamkid_a 4 жыл бұрын
Dorothy must be pissed she didn’t get to make her appearance!! How could you Dave!! We really needed her to judge those URs
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