TIME STAMPS 0:24 - Dave's sweatshirt, artistry, and jumps CANADA CHALLENGE 4:40 - Wonky Judging: 4th place overscored PCS, etc 8:35 - Deanna Stellato & Maxime Deschamps: Deanna's beautiful skating, maturity, lifts 13:25 - Kirsten Moore-Towers (& Michael Marinaro): all about KMT's emotional aspect 16:04 - Patrick Chan's question for Keegan Messing 16:39 - Dave acting Canadian :) 19:22 - Back to PCS of 4th place 20:59 - Choreographers and their styles/roles 24:30 - Song and program choice, comparison to Danii G 25:43 - Pairs teams: brand new and coached by Alison Purkiss 26:20 - Quebec's bubble of non-competitiveness 27:36 - Lifts: Canadian pairs have distance vs. Russian pairs have position 28:28 - Back to Deanna: good lifts, stamina, need triples 31:34 - Canada's predictability vs. U.S.'s rivalries 31:51 - Roman Sadovsky: top male, more believable than KMT 32:22 - Kirsten Moore-Towers (& Michael Marinaro): consistent but need better music and wow factor 40:06 - David's posture, visualization 47:05 - Other pairs, Evelyn & Trent injury US NATIONALS 47:26 - Jason Brown: going into nationals cold, where to put quad 52:11 - Worlds: up in the air 52:49 - 4A: not worth it 54:00 - Back to worlds: probably canceled 54:41 - Vincent Zhou: not very interesting, quads 55:09 - Andrew Torbachev: strange way to withdraw, Lorna Brown, coach Rafael 57:52 - Mariah Bell: USFS's favorite, lower quality lately 59:22 - Amber Glenn: unlikely threat 59:39 - Bradie Tennell 1:01:00 - Karen Chen: beautiful skating skills and artistry 1:01:20 - Alysa Liu: not placing, no SS or technique, USFS pushing her publicity too much early on 1:06:12 - Alysa Liu: judging and inflation 1:08:00 - Isabeau Levito 1:08:25 - Audrey Shin: formulaic skating 1:09:36 - Alexa Knierim & Brandon Frazier: strong, likely winner 1:09:47 - Jessica Calalang & Brian Johnson: need to deliver 1:10:22 - Ashley Cain-Gribble & Timothy LeDuc: egoistic 1:11:17 - Other pairs teams 1:11:55 - Hubbell & Donohue: likely winner 1:12:46 - Chock & Bates: less practice, should do proposal 1:14:14 - Other ice dance teams 1:14:53 - Back to Jason Brown: deserves 2nd, honesty in interview (comparison to Nathan Chen) 1:16:16 - Back to Mariah Bell: may or may not win 1:17:21 - Back to Bradie Tennell: shaky landings, UR's? 1:18:55 - Back to Amber Glenn: personality, pansexual 1:20:57 - Watching live 1:22:10 - Gracie Gold 1:22:28 - Ashley Wagner should commentate 1:23:23 - Scott Moir should commentate, Virtue & Moir two different people

I hope Amber Glenn realizes that the door is open for her to walk through and makes a big statement at nationals. I’m really rooting for her!

OMG PLEASE make a GIF of Jonathan singing "ooh, these emotions ... that are so fake." Pure gold.

Oh my God TSL....you were on fire today...I laughed so hard I don't even know where to begin! Amazing! Thank you so very much!

Dave - I think you need to instigate a campaign to convince Bruno he has to compete again with Aljona. The door is so wide open for them to waltz straight back in, and win. Aljona is an absolute skating treasure (and my girl crush if I'm allowed one of those), and Bruno is the only man capable of matching her. Come on Dave - you can do it, we know you are most convincing.

I'm glad everyone agrees that a Karen championship would be fun

There will always be space in this sport for the Ashley's and Katerina's. This sport belongs to them. We're over 30 years on and we still talk about Katerina. We'll always remember them fondly.

Keegan's mother is indigenous Canadian. He has more right to represent Canada than anyone. Would be wonderful if he picked up a national title.

Ha this is the first episode I can remember where Jonathan broke out into song “ohhhhh feeelingssss” 😂😂😂😂

9:00 Jonathan, no-one works harder than Zoe Jones. I've watched her train more times than I dare count (same rink, kids same age etc) and you have never seen anyone warm up like she does. It's like watching a ballerina. I have no words for what she puts her body through before she even puts on her boots. My favourite programme of Zoe's was her Free programme (ladies singles) at the British Nationals (I think 2015). She was initially declared the winner, but an hour or so later, NISA (now BIS) changed the points and result, leaving Zoe in second by 0.07 points.

Thank you Dave and Jonathan for another great TSL! Looking forward to your discussion on US Nationals!

Dave, your face when Jonathan says he thinks Bradie can win!! That was a killer look and I KNEW what you were thinking😂😂

Your Tessa impression made me laugh! As a Canadian I wanted to be offended but then you had her talking about Patrick Chan’s knees! 🤣😆🤣😆🤣🤣🤣 My only critique is that Tessa wouldn’t say she’s ‘fortunate’, she would say ‘blessed’! 😄

Let's face it. As much as the USFS loves Mariah Bell and Alysia Liu, they're not making it out internationally. Period. I predict they would be 6-8 at the Olympics next year, if it even happens. The best thing to do is give a chance to the other ladies who are being consistent. Mariah Bell does not have that Trusova fighting spirit/grit to get on the Olympic team. Tennell is the most consistent , but she can't really threaten the Russian or Japanese ladies. Karen Chen is looking like she could be on the Olympic/Worlds team. Add in the factor of her ethnicity, and she'd be a better model than Liu. Audrey Shin is still in the process of getting more experience, but so far, she's looking better than Bell, Liu and everyone else. Her talent must be fostered, and if USFS plays their cards right with this one, she could make it to Milan-Cortina 2026. Gracie Gold is not going to be on the Worlds/Olympic team, obviously, and Amber Glenn? Haven't seen that 3A just yet. The other ladies are not in the conversation at all at this point. Just being realistic. Not really worried about the US men - I peg Nathan, Jason (the USFS can get him a bye), and maaaybe Vincent for the quads. The pairs, as you mentioned, may be the most interesting event yet.

1:23:00 Ashley should be the "emote" coach. She can just look at you, and make you do things.

I may be a touchy Canadian but I am also a millennial. Deanna Stellato is the Millennial Queen; she gives us hope in life after the quarter-life crisis and so I am fiercely proud that she is skating for my country.

GO JASON!!!!!!!!!

Oh my god, the Slate/Buzzfeed articles if our pan legend Amber pulls it off, I can picture the headlines already

So glad to hear you talking about Lorna Brown she is such an artist and a great choreographer!

I 2nd that!! My highlight to my Sunday’s!!!!

Yay I love it when this notification pops up! X

Weed is indeed legal in Canada and they were definitely smoking it this weekend🙃

Dying at the KMT = Friends/Shonda Rimes vs Deanna = Independent college theater. I was so that college girl who was always going to see provocative indie films at the run down little theater, and connect so much more with Deanna's program vs KMT's (though I like it too). Also dying at "Tessa's" so Canadian beauty pageant answer to Jonathan's question.

I loved Deanna and Maxime's skates. Underscored in the short (in my view) and so beautiful in the free (that hair do of hers! Loved it). Of course there were falls, but did anyone get up and go forward this quickly? So wonderful.

If I was choreographing for Kirsten and Michael, my first program for them would be the soundtrack to “When Harry Met Sally” with music from Harry Connick Jr. Kirsten’s on ice persona has this Meg Ryan-Nora Ephron movie quality. Costuming wise, she would have to skip the sequins, and use the autumn aesthetic from the movie. For Deanna and Maxime, I liked the dramatic LP theme, but their song was a little too movie trailer-esque. Their lifts are exquisite. I’m hope for future programs they try songs from musicals like “They Just Keeping Moving the Line” from Smash, “Move On” from Sunday in the Park with George, or “Always Better” from the Bridges of Madison County.

Totally cheering for Amber Glen! Also; despite Jonathan's dislike of teen angst, and lets face facts...all angst can't be Isolde Liebestod level, as much as we might prefer it, I really liked Roman's music and program. Maybe because he had an arrangement that added a lot of orchestration that created a large swell. It doesn't just 'sit in bed'.

Regarding Brasseur/Daleman's technical content, they (successfully) did triple jumps and a triple throw at Sectionals earlier, so I wasn't sure why they were only doing doubles across the board here. Maybe they had some training setback (which seemed to be the case for a lot of the teams; KMT had multiple injuries that cost them stretches of training time).

Canadian here...and I LOVE Deanna!!! She was incredible, and totally sophisticated. I was super bummed to see their scores.

When Hanyu talks about something he wants to achieve then he means it seriously and he has always proven he's achieved what he wanted. His childhood dream was to land the 4A, not because of how many points it worths. Gosh he's been talking about it in so many interviews and you guys still don't understand WHY he wants to do it. Who cares if Chen doesn't go for it because for him it doesn't worth doing it? Hanyu is in a completely different stage of his career, he is a two-time Olympic champion and he said many times his only dream that remained was the 4A. Chen on the contrary hasn't even won an individual Olympic medal yet. Everyone knows landing a 4A would be an incredible milestone in the sport, a historic moment, for Hanyu it is not about how many points he would get for it.

This episode was great! I do share some of your opinions and favorites. Your US figure skating chats r my favorite and I find them even more interesting than the "overwhelming" russian ones even tho they're not what most ppl come here for. I'm rooting for: 1. Amber - I hope she gets better programmes AND music choices this season 🙏🙏 2. Jason - my favorite and sooo underrated in comparison to, let's say Nathan (who gets ridiculously high scores). I hope everything goes well for him and he skates clean 3. Alexa and Brandon - I don't know much about pair skating but I just LOVE these two!

I watched this before seeing “the ponytail”. I AM SCREAMING! 😂😂😂

AMBER GLENN KAREN CHEN!!!!!! Let’s goo!!!!

I am soooo excited to see Jason's programmes properly in competition, but I am also so worried because he could be anything from 2nd to like 6th or 7th at Nats, depending how clean he goes. I (sadly) could see the absolutely bury him if he misses his jumps, especially without a quad, which would be devastating after his massive turnaround last season. I just really hope he makes the Olympic team!

MTM were skating at the Scarborough Ice Galaxy, which is indeed the home of Carol Lane. I thought it was a very strange choice for a challenge hub given that most of those skaters train out of much newer and nicer facilities in the greater Toronto area. Scarborough was under additional pandemic capacity restrictions at the time, while other clubs located in Oakville, Thornhill, etc were not. The rink is also very much not a standard size (extra wide), so strange choices all around. Anyway, believe it or not, that facility just underwent a reno during which they painted over a hideous orange stripe pattern that ran around all of the walls, but opted to leave the 1970s-era murals untouched 🤣

Lol I'm glad someone else appreciates Mary-Kate Olsen on Two of a Kind =D

Dave can you find 1994 qualifying worlds (Josee best performance)in full and 1993 nhk with (Tonya specifically)? Thx for the great work!

Dave, I'm never going to look at that ponytail the same way! 😂

I think Amber will definitely try at least 1 triple axel!!!

I love the idea of Karen or Amber winning. I’m hoping Amber lands a 3A and they both seize the moment with strong performances. Also...omg I just adore Nathan Chen and Zach Donohue is THE crush he’s so dreamy! 😍🥰 Sorry I had to unburden myself. 😂

Love this and that! However, I was wondering if you could make it in to a podcast as well? Thanks

Love the vids, guys. Keep 'em coming. Jonathan, pls try to interrupt Dave less if you can. Glad he finally spoke up

Awww, yiss! Another pretty vase! @-@

thank god it's Sunday

Unpopular opinion: Bradie tennel and (especially) karen Chen r underrated and not nearly as famous as mariah. Many ppl I talk to about FS don't even know who they r, but everyone knows mariah bell. She is great but I feel like the skating of these two is much better

'You think it could be Karen?" OH, that would be FUN!!!!" "Or AMBER GLEN!!!! A little pansexual stuff there!!" Hahahahahahaha!! Not to mention the National in Vegas, with drinking & hooked & things! OMG you all bring the BURNS!

Sorry, Dave, you failed at Tessa....you forgot to sell Nivea cream, Bon Look glasses, While I`m looking at the moonlight through my powder room window I apply my Nivea cream and because the moonlight is so bright I have to put on my Bon Look sunglasses.

I often wonder if T & J covering for Alysa's shortcomings this year is under the direction of NBC and the USFSA...like "don't say anything negative or lose your job" kinda direction.

I have been wondering if Alyssa will withdraw since your recap of the Vegas invitational. I was also curious on what you think of the article by Philip Hersch about her lower expectations. Would she be better if she stayed with her previous coach?;Also, IF Alyssa had the skating skills to begin with do you think she would have adjusted better to her changing body?

I am totally with Jonathan regarding KMT. Also she and Michael are an odd couple, they just don’t seem like they’re from the same planet. She is very sporty and looks like she never has a bad day and he’s kind of Emo. They just don’t have chemistry and you can’t change that. I do think if they did a more energetic piece like “I got no Roots” , that is energetic and more modern, they could do really well with that. As Jonathan said, it should not be a romantic relationship but more of a partnership a “Matrix” type relationship, fighting for good against evil or something.

Only two ladies who are really interesting are Karen Chen and Audrey Shin...

I cannot find the recordings for Skate Canada - where did you watch it?

Baldwin proposed to Inoue on ice at 2008 Nationals after Hongbo Zhao proposed at 2007 Worlds.

Jonathan, there actually is a third Olsen sibling... Elizabeth. She does the low-culture Avengers movies, so you wouldn't know her.

KMT’s music choice bothers me too. She’s a spitfire and needs more intense music. Also the “romantic” soft music doesn’t really do anything for them, they don’t sell that dynamic at all.

Is anyone here from Quebec? I remember hearing rumors in highschool that Quebec funded sports way more than Ontario (but I have zero proof of that).

Just came from IG watching your stories, and omg dave channelling dramatic evgenia🤣🤣 I was like what the hell is he doing, took me a minute to realize it's a gala programme! I gotta say tho, u didn't do it right! U need that gasping face and an open mouth🙈

Quick question: Let’s say everything is normal. Is there a need for Nathan Chen to compete in Nationals?

Don't make fun of Tessa you guys! Be kind!

Rozonov looks like Johnny Depp.

ok...Im ready for Amber or Karen too lol

I love Deanna! But I did not like that cover of "I died in your arms." The program was well done though except for those messy throws.

I’m amused Jonathan said he might be blocked by Ashley W. UR not missing anything, her FB stories are vapid & tedious. I had a flashback when u mentioned Tina Noyes, total blast from the past of my first coach after Basic 1-6 circa 1991. My mom hated the trashy music she’d pick for me like Janie’s Got a Gun. 29 years ago, the memory is so buried u guys tapped a deja vu nerve! I had her book & can remember the cover like it was yesterday ❤️⛸

I wonder back in a September interview Karen Chen said she wants to throw the triple axel at nats but idk if she’ll do it I want her to

Loving all the content lately! My guess is Mariah buckles under the pressure of living up to last year. I hope I’m wrong though. I don’t have faith in Amber or Karen being able to skate cleanly enough to beat Bradie, so I predict Bradie wins it with a cleanish if not slightly boring performance. And Audrey Shin might pull out a podium finish. USFS always looking for someone new to get behind.

Dave I have never seen you skate but I m sure irs beautiful I've never seen some one with so much passion for this sport

Love

See Dave, that's why I no longer drink when I watch CYA live. I have learned.

Is Courtney Hicks competing at Nationals?

What is the average age of judges? Mariah Bell’s ABBA choice was tired and played out 20 seconds in. Was that music to get the octogenarian judge set moving and grooving. She had such a breakout out last year and then this...give her some k-pop to mend fences and differentiate.

Frankly I dislike the fact that Dave‘s audio quality is so poor. Don’t mind about the video (which, compared to Jonathan is weak, too) but as a non native speaker it is much harder for me to follow the conversation when Dave‘s audio is ... suboptimal. Maybe a head set would help. Or a better WiFi. Nevertheless thanks for the interesting thoughts, infos and gossip. 👍🏼👍🏼

When are US nationals?

no, she is not where we want her to be, but like it or not, alysa has improved so much though, on the basics and other side of skating since last season, plus, we haven’t seen her on the ice in over a month, so we can’t just assume we know what she’s going to come out with at the champs. we should just be wishing her well & for her to perform great, even if she doesn’t place (which she said wasn’t her goal or care anyways), we should be patient before we claim she is unfixable or over, etc., but then again, i understand that tsl can sometimes come off like this with all the youngsters, not just alysa, even if not their intent, and honestly, alysa, the 3a’s, stephen and etc. deserve way better than what they get, but i know that usually, dave & jonathan mean well. good luck to everyone at the champs., and i hope that you all perform well, and do your best. ps, i kindly admit that kamila’s russian national/russian cup inflation (she did perform amazing though in the rusnats & russian stage 5 fs, and the usfsa didn’t do that with alysa at the isp or las vagas int, and i’m not hating on valieva or her performances btw) is just as bad, if not even worse as/than alysa’s national inflation, but to each their own ig, haha, and i would never judge or attack anyone, so please, refrain from doing so to me! have a good day. ig i will be one of the only ones who believes in alysa wholeheartedly, sees something special in her & knows what potential she is capable of in the future, while still loving the others, yet admitting none of them are perfect, and got a lot of work to do, in different areas, and i will patiently wait for them, for when they are ready. i will enjoy this side alone, but it is a side i am proud to be apart of. ps, i am not saying that i am better than anyone or that all of you are hating because like me, some of you were admittedly being constructive, and i usually am neutral or like (with) tsl’s commentary, this is just the one thing that they do or that some of you do, act & say that i don’t always agree with or doesn’t sit right with me, personally, but i would never judge any of you, again, and i respect & understand their (tsl’s) hard work & grit for all they do, and to just be able to keep us all entertained and covered with the news, even during the pandemic, so i do wish them the best, and hopefully they can share videos of their skating one day, i bet their progress has gotten a lot better since when they started, and i would never put them down, like some have because i want them to do well too, even if they’re not at an olympic level, and i’ve seen people belittle, put down or hate on them and claim that the two of them know nothing because they don’t skate as a good as someone like nathan or yuzuru, lmao, those people need to chill.

I wonder will kamila be allowed to do the trixel by itself in the sp for rus jr Nats because of the single trixel rule but if she’s allowed will sofia akatieva, Sofia samodelkina,and veronika zhilina be allowed to do the trixel as a solo jump to???

Yep. 2008. John Baildwin proposed to Rena Inoue mid ice during the applause for their long program at nationals. Felt like it was an attention-grabbing cry for approval from a dumb loveable dog who thinks it's an honor just to be nominated.

Pause. What is this about my queen Deanna writing an email or letter to Ted? about what? OMG who knows? tell me everything. TSL family come thruuuuuu!

Now that we know who ended up in 5th for ice dance and I really cared. Lol. Hot Yehor Yehorek and Molly Cesenek. With that new goatee and darker hair, and his flexibility and extensions posture as Tanith Belbin commentated was mesmerizing!!! Very sexy program. And they looked so cute together as a couple.

I'm really rooting for Alexa and Brandon. With their quality and experience, they could be a steady and strong force on a world level right away. A World team of Knierim and Frazier and Calalang and Johnson would have a real chance at 3 pairs spots for the Olympics. They would probably have to place ahead of Kirsten and Michael, which isn't impossible. They'd have a chance for sure. Cain and LeDuc have weaker pair elements and have had frequent jump rotation issues especially under pressure and no longer do the triple loops in their short. There's less scoring potential there.

Who is KMT's fiancee? Is she still with Liam Firus?

So disappointed that the Canadian championships have been cancelled, yet somehow the US can go on with way more COVID problems there. Oh well, guess this year is over, very likely they will cancel Worlds too with so many countries restricting travel etc. Stay safe ! ⛸

Because USFS LOVES drama. LOL

How are the elopements for Worlds for ISU doing? I know that where World 2020 that they had to cancel rest of the season. What is the new Russian torment that they are doing? I am so confused 🤷‍♀️ with this. What they need to do is that have past champions come and do interviews. The other thing is that invest in more in Juniors skating in the USA and ISU.

The Canadian Nationals have just been cancelled. The pandemic is rapidly getting much worse in Canada. Whether Canada sends a team to the Worlds is not yet clear, but given very strong public opinion against travel outside Canada, I doubt that will happen. Numerous public officials in Canada have lost their jobs in the past few days after their private foreign travels were disclosed. As in other countries, there is also very strong disapproval of people getting vaccinated out of turn. My guess is that Canada will not compete in either the Summer or Olympics or 2022 Winter Olympics.

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Oh please it's the US of course they're going to hold Up their favourites regardless of justification. You have seen Nathans 340 points in 2019...or even more a Lot of Vincents Points...

Хэллоу, Дэйв энд Джони!

Oh yeah. Do you love me? 😍💋 💝💖❤️

Watching US ladies figure skating is like watching a half-hearted fight to even try for the pewter. More individual toxic politicking and no real direction..

easy on the eye liner...jonathan...and dave can def use some foundation please.....