This Doctor Mario player pulled off the most insane combo…
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In this episode of Frame Data, we’ll be taking a look at the Round 2 Pools set between Franz and Setchi at GENESIS 5. In pools matches, and especially Top 64 qualifiers, nerves can easily kick in when players approach last stock situations or may be close to clinching the victory. Learning to control those nerves to stay consistent in a set is an important tool to keep players on top of their mental game, and it allows for players to shine with some unique conversions. Franz does exactly this in his set with an edge cancel aerial interrupt combo versus Setchi. As we break down this play, we’re going to zoom in on Franz and see how he approaches this matchup with his uncommon character selection.
The goal of the Frame Data series is to pick apart interactions which may get lost or go unnoticed in the big picture of a tournament. We're putting Super Smash Bros. Melee under a microscope to dissect the small interactions between players and show off what can make this game so sick.
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@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Small error in the voiceover on this video! The 7-frame pummel window mentioned at 11:17 is in reference to a Marth's pummel, not Doc's. Dr. Mario's pummel hits on Frame 17 -- which is a longer time to mash out before the attack hits, but he still has a very large combo window to guarantee the throw follow-up. Sorry about that!
@pippincovington1348 4 жыл бұрын
It's so rare to see high level Doc analysis, thank you for this breakdown from the bottom of my Doc main heart ❤️
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed! This was a really fun one to write!
@YourBoiSlifer 4 жыл бұрын
Doc hype~
@chewieman4956 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t exist
@DylanzOw 3 жыл бұрын
Just play Mario
@illford6921 3 жыл бұрын
@@DylanzOw Dr Mario is actually better than Mario. It's easier to kill with him and he's cooler
@grab2win982 4 жыл бұрын
I never knew that mash data was dependent on stock count. That shit's insane! Sick video as always Walt.
@xxSqirrelz 4 жыл бұрын
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@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't either! I learned a lot writing this video and I think that was the craziest part to me. Glad you enjoyed!
@emmbeesea 4 жыл бұрын
Walt and Hax$ need to collab on an episode. Doc's stock shall continue rising!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I would love that! Someone get in touch with him!
@defaultoandores626 4 жыл бұрын
Theres a massive Doc and Franz bias on this channel and I'm here for it LETS GOOOO FRANZ WOOO
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I mean How can you not like Doc?
@Descro382 4 жыл бұрын
Doc's rubbery ass back air freaks me out lol
@NotaSkeleton 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best Melee related content on YT right now. Love these videos. I had NO idea that stock count played into grab game at all. That's nuts.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that, thank you! Hopefully we can continue to grow together!
@Queggletank 4 жыл бұрын
This is like this one bystander in anime fights explaining how it is possible, for the hero to come out on top (minus the shouting).
@GinjouArmy 3 жыл бұрын
3:20 tell me this isn't the most graceful thing you have ever laid eyes upon. Meele is freaking beautiful.
@Fritzyboo 4 жыл бұрын
As a spectator of competitive melee, vids like these really provide a lense into the intricacies of this game that would otherwise go right over my head. You do such a phenomenal job, Walt. Cheers, and stay safe!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Michael, I'm glad they're entertaining! Hope you're safe as well!
@AP-gb3pq 4 жыл бұрын
Franz makes me wanna main Doc and I've mained one character for seven years lmao
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
DOC MAINS RISE UP
@gabrieljreed 4 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt Doc ❤️
@bobbing3778 4 жыл бұрын
Dr. Mario is strong but hard and easily overshadowed by the top tiers.
@illford6921 3 жыл бұрын
@@bobbing3778 nah, I feel like Dr Mario is a lot more interesting just because you never see him. You always see the top tiers, they aren't special, there are special players but they'd be special with any character, now Dr. Mario is both good and bad in the weirdest way and it's just really interesting to watch him
@heyitsmort7744 4 жыл бұрын
“Hey hax ur handsome” made my day 😭🥰
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
The most handsome
@franz445 4 жыл бұрын
Your editing never ceases to amaze me.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@thirdchair9670 4 жыл бұрын
What a great video, the editing and breakdown is top notch!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Your guides were very useful in writing this piece!
@deondre128 3 жыл бұрын
Just gotta say I love this content, i love watching people breakdown games that I love and this is just soo well put together
@leannec4603 4 жыл бұрын
Love having this to watch during these crazy times! Thanks turndown!
@MatBat__ 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the analysis, such a great play that I wouldnt even be able to recognize and apreciate if not for you. I love your frame data series, keep them comming dude! (and I dont even play melee)
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really appreciate that!
@TigerStripedStealth 4 жыл бұрын
Your channel not being the most subbed melee channel is criminal at the very least. Keep it up, your production value, attention to detail, and unique arsenal of topics make you easily my favorite smash youtuber. We need people like you
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that, thank you so much! I think the channel's been doing super well recently, but I hope we can continue to see great growth!
@captainfalcon535 3 ай бұрын
That resecond jump after the grab downthrow is majestic
@Corvux_ 4 жыл бұрын
Been watching for a while and I have to admit your content has been getting better and better. Normally I don't comment on videos but I really think you're gonna be big some day. Keep up the good stuff
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, hopefully we continue to grow together! I'd love to hear more from you in future videos as well, thanks so much for the comment!
@Lagoa_real 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid as always Walt. Keep up the good work!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it!
@jordangidley1606 4 жыл бұрын
My boy Walt does his research and cites his work! Great video man, keep it up!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it homie, glad you enjoyed!
@tiaraguy7705 4 жыл бұрын
I love the reference you dropped in the link tab at the top
@austintacious94 4 жыл бұрын
The dash attack after hitting uair by setchi was definitely an attempted instant dash uair. He could have linked it with lots of leniency if he pivot dashed back into it
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Setchi also confirmed on Twitter that it was an execution error. Still wanted to point out the potential for a DALG though!
@Rael0505 4 жыл бұрын
Holy crap this is some incredible analysis. So much game knowledge.
@Halo4LifelikeHat 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all the work you do
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@ericwitney5086 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff. I learned a lot. Id love to see more obscure character reviews. Maybe a vid on Goomi's samus?
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion! I'll see if I can find anything worth a video!
@Runningwritingreading 4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this series. As for an idea; I'd like to see you focus more on decision-making from BOTH players during a match. Franz was awesome, but I feel rather bad for Setchi. Even just an extra minute to show a cool or smart string by the losing player would be a nice balance.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I mentioned a few things for Setchi which made sense in the context of this video - the potential Dash Attack Ledge Grab (which was probably an execution error) the up-air frame data, etc. - but I do try to keep things pretty balanced between players, even though the end focus is naturally going to be on the player performing the combo. I'll keep more of an eye out for it next time. Thanks for the comment!
@Runningwritingreading 4 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt you rock dude, I totally agree you are definitely very balanced. Can't wait for the next episode
@Dylan-kp1cz 4 жыл бұрын
Don't feel bad for setchi he's a wanker
@pedlar6839 4 жыл бұрын
i've been playing for 10 years and i never knew that mash data stuff, actually blew my mind. always more to learn about this game
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't either, it was really surprising! Just goes to show how sick Melee really is!
@koth_harvest_final 4 жыл бұрын
incredible vid as always!!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@joush0vosman 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh I'm not at a level where I can't make use of any of this but I enjoyed the video. Also props that you name dropped so many other KZfaq channels rather than trying to re-cover the topic yourself.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I think the video would be way too long if I didn't abridge some sections like that! I'm planning a few separate videos that may go over some of those summarized topics a bit more, but I'm glad you enjoyed either way!
@miserygriefing 4 жыл бұрын
This series is so sick man
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@TheEvilmonkey25 3 жыл бұрын
Franz was so happy lmao
@angelo9024 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video Walt
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Definitely more to come soon!
@taylorbee4010 4 жыл бұрын
When he hits the four jump on slowmo and enters the matrix
@TheMonarchOfTetris 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@DoomJoy666 4 жыл бұрын
All the accidental things that happen in this game... like I wonder if he knew while he was playin, that the option he chose and inputted came out so frame perfectly. Like was he JUST on time to input all his actions and clutched it, or did he know the tight windows when he saw them? I love this game
@TwentyGX Жыл бұрын
11:37 the SM64 would disagree on this statement 😂
@Taosenthusiast 4 жыл бұрын
FYA the mentioned 'Reddit User Flerbert' is actually Magus's Reddit account. Posting is largely confined to Fire Emblem subs these days but that's him.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I thought so! Thanks for the confirmation!
@toontownveteran 4 жыл бұрын
amazing video
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@UFORelaxo 3 жыл бұрын
Ok. So I played Melee at at EVO 2016. I don’t know the mechanics of Melee like I did Smash 4. I’m a Doc main in Melee can someone explain to me how one of the stocks I took was a weird combo. I believe it was nair to down smash and the down smash put them to the other side of me so I was able to forward smash them right after. This has been something that’s been on my head for years now and this was at 11% I believe. Is this a normal thing for Melee?
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you might’ve hit with the inside hitboxes (either one or both) of down-smash, which could’ve let you connect the f-smash after? Just a guess though!
@Killopotamus 4 жыл бұрын
For the neutral tech scenario at 8:00 , if Falcon neutral techs, he will slide off before the animation would allow him to JC or dash grab. (Because of the momentum from the hit and no tech roll to delay or “fight” the momentum) Now what this means for Franz is a Falcon who can double jump on top of his Up B lag. Dair, fair, upair. Knee would be safest, if Franz has the frames to shield. My intuition says Falcon should stomp because of asdi down and you can react to anything from there. I think Falcon can DJ drift>aerial to Doc in that time.
@Killopotamus 4 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention the neutral tech cancels hitstun with the platform slide off which is why he can double jump and change his velocity. Whoops.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Great insight! Thanks for the comment!
@treehann 3 жыл бұрын
wtf I had no idea about the stock + grab thing
@thewaterbear 4 жыл бұрын
Big Walt with the Big Brain
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
B R A I N P O W E R
@AwsomeLeaf 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see high level doc, I smash that like button.
@ilikeplantsandvideogames8625 4 жыл бұрын
What video from Hax$? I can't seem to find it.
@clutchedbyanangel 4 жыл бұрын
Link in description
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
It's linked in the cards on the top right of the video and the description!
@thatmexicankid8798 4 жыл бұрын
Lets go franz
@GoodieM8 4 жыл бұрын
2:40 hey hax ur handsome
@lukeconleyluke 4 жыл бұрын
This show is so damn good
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like it!
@GeriatricSmash 2 ай бұрын
Gooooo Doc
@colin3108 4 жыл бұрын
13:12 "hes in middle school, Hes in my fantasies and hes in middle school!" Its kind of haunting no?
@NaturalOmen 4 жыл бұрын
"He's in my fantasy" is referring to the smash.gg fantasy team that you can create, Franz was a very cheap person to have on your fantasy team but he paid in dividends with this performance.
@joejones 4 жыл бұрын
In today’s context. Yes
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to echo the reply to this comment and say that the commentary was in reference to a fantasy bracket, similar to Fantasy Football where you can create a team and earn points based on your player’s performance.
@zigrotoday 3 жыл бұрын
dr mario scares me
@littlewordman 4 жыл бұрын
1:58 youre talking about MattDotZeb but show Matt Dahlgren who do you mean
@clutchedbyanangel 4 жыл бұрын
Matt Deezie, not MattDotZeb lol, confusing, I know
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Matt "Deezie" Dahlgren - sorry about that, I should've specified!
@nicholasthompson1063 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, that's it. I'm ringing the bell.
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Looking forward to hearing from you again soon!
@sebin5216 3 жыл бұрын
Why do I feel like Falcon is always in these controversial frame data situations? (i.e. S2J vs Abate, SilentSpectre vs Armada, etc.)
@kennethzheng3735 3 жыл бұрын
sorry for correcting, this is an incredible breakdown and video, but the math is wrong in the neutral tech vs roll to right tech; it should be 16. Setchi would have had 14 more frames, and Franz would have started his fall special when Setchi would only have had 14 left, meaning he would have had 16 more frames to react had he done a neutral tech. Not a big deal, it's an understandable error with such a big video and so many 14s, just wanted to make sure you knew. Thanks for the sick breakdown, you do too much for this community :)
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
As an engineer I’m thoroughly embarrassed - good catch! I must’ve meant a 14 frame *difference* between the neutral tech and tech roll, but that’s totally my bad! Thanks for the comment!
@kennethzheng3735 3 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt yeah, I kinda guessed, and it's completely understandable, still a great video, and I really did love every second of this breakdown :)
@thesupercrook 4 жыл бұрын
what is the music in the beginning?
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
All the music is listed in the description!
@thesupercrook 4 жыл бұрын
thank you
@applesauce0g408 4 жыл бұрын
U gotta get a Luigi clip sometime
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can do!
@cynidox 4 жыл бұрын
ANY DOCKERS?!
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
THE PLAN IS SIMPLE
@Sickitung 4 жыл бұрын
woah never heard about 10:58 before
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
It's pretty insane!
@mortmortington240 2 жыл бұрын
doc is my 3rd favorite character in melee, hot take
@leaffinite3828 4 жыл бұрын
Haz is handsome bro
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
you right
@TheSharkasmCrew Жыл бұрын
weight dependent throw? Hold on.. I thought all throws were weight dependent? Is that not the case?
@MrIntoxicatedMonkey 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are the fucking shit
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cstick2664 4 жыл бұрын
Why does it feel like these analyses are always on matches on Yoshi’s Story?
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
All the cool stuff happens on Yoshi's! But actually, I think there's just been a handful of good plays I was meaning to cover, that just happened to be on Yoshi's Story. Some of the next Frame Data episodes I have planned should have a bit more stage variety!
@beracollections1 4 жыл бұрын
isn't that franz guy a csgo a CSGO player?
@rjthegood 4 жыл бұрын
My volume was low at the beginning of the video. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. But I actually had to turnupforwalt.
@TheSarenarass 4 жыл бұрын
stfu
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
...fuck
@rjthegood 4 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt P.S. - Keep up the awesome content! You're among my top favourite Smash channels.
@sundrr_4280 3 жыл бұрын
He's in middle school yknow
@ln8496 4 жыл бұрын
Platform warp* fix your title that's no AI
@basgbee9588 3 жыл бұрын
Why are they spending so much time on 1 frame lol.
@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын
_looks at series title_
@blank_ivysaur 4 жыл бұрын
franz is in middle school?
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
He's in high school now! I have an interview with him on the channel!
@jeffreycanfield1939 4 жыл бұрын
hey hax ur handsome
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
Fox
@jeffreycanfield1939 4 жыл бұрын
@@turndownforwalt you could say that again
@ChristianTheChicken 4 жыл бұрын
wtf he's in middle school?
@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын
He's in high school now! I have an interview with him on the channel!
@fooladoo1076 4 жыл бұрын
You need Jesus
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