This is a Woodworking Myth!
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4 жыл бұрынToday we discuss the idea that sitting your hand plane sole down on your workbench will destroy your hard earned plane iron edge.
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@MD-en3zm 4 жыл бұрын
Paul Sellers agrees with you - he even goes so far as to claim that putting it sideways is worse as it throws off the adjustments.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
That would make sense and you also risk slicing your hand on the exposed iron.
@FireAngelOfLondon 4 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on this. It doesn't harm a plane to set it down on wood, how could it? I think the rule in school shops is because there is a lot more chaos and random items lying around and it stops kids putting it down on a nail or a screw or something. In a one person shop that kind of unexpected random junk doesn't normally end up lying on the bench.
@AproposHobel 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that video! I do the same, but startet now to use a small wood where the top of the plane rested on to keep the iron a bit away from my workbench. The only reason for that is to avoid scratches in my workbench. I heard the same (do not put the plane on the bench), but when I asked why, I did not get a answer. Many greetings from vienna! Christian
@woltersworld 4 жыл бұрын
You tell 'em Jim! I loved the B roll you used to show how this is a myth. Good job buddy!
@woltersworld 4 жыл бұрын
I feel you had a few trolls over the years about this one... ;) love it buddy!
@woltersworld 4 жыл бұрын
you needed the 100 times tick off!!!! that would have been awesome!!!
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
I thought about it lol
@Doggonewood 4 жыл бұрын
Look at that 7 shop teachers already disliked you
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@soberlivingwithbrianfrankl8254 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard that was for the kids back when they had wood shop in schools. So the kids wouldn't set it on any metal.... that's what I've heard anyways
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@jimm5593 4 жыл бұрын
They drilled that idea into my head back in seventh grade shop and I’ve never lost that habit. Always lay my plane on its side
@dylanneely91 3 жыл бұрын
We had wooden boats (small square plates with raised ends think ~6 1/2" sleigh bed) for planes. Rule #1: Planes go on the boats or the rack ONLY. Rule #2: Chisels, squares, saws and any other metal NEVER are set within 6" of the boat. My mentor may have had a belt and suspenders mentality :P I wish I could have learned a lot more from him, he was an absolute encyclopedia of woodworking knowledge.
@TheHandToolery 4 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how many times this needs to be debunked. I get this comment, and a lot of times people include a snarky dig at me while they are at it. Thanks for doing this!
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
For sure! I enjoy your projects, keep it up!
@bighead0107 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this video. People think I’m crazy when I tell them this.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I guess the person sharpening the iron makes the rules!
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I guess the person sharpening the iron makes the rules!
@TempleThomas 4 жыл бұрын
I bet you dulled it more with the paper than setting it down :-).
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
My hairy arm! Lol
@mikesmicroshop4385 4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you that setting your hand plain flat on a wood bench will not cause any problems as it is wood that it is designed to cut why would wood be a problem to set it down on! I do have a problem with setting it on its side as I have seen people take pretty nasty chunks out of their hand by accidentally running it down the exposed blade of a plain on its side! Also no those are not even close to thin shavings, if you really want to see how well it cuts set it to take a shaving you can see through!
@johncole9964 4 жыл бұрын
ON the first day of woodshop my teacher told us that it was dangerous to lay a plane on its side exposing the blade and that anyone caught doing so would be dealt with (that meant a slap around the back of the head, that was 50 years ago :) ).
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
👍
@jamesharris7868 4 жыл бұрын
Myth buster now Jim 😅😅😅enjoyed that.Only sound better than that is a good wodden plane doing the same things nothing sounds better than wood on wood
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@jerrybobteasdale 4 жыл бұрын
My workshop is not just for woodworking. I weld, drill, and grind metal. It's often windy and dry here. We get dusty clouds of dirt blown into the shop. That means worktops will often have layer of grit, and it gets worked into the bench surfaces. It's dirt, metal grindings, and sandpaper grit. I prefer to not rest carefully sharpened edges on those surfaces. If my shop had great dust collection and air filters, and the only thing flying around was sawdust, I might feel differently.
@mikesmicroshop4385 4 жыл бұрын
Then put a piece of wood under the back side to raise the blade off of the bench, it is safer to have the blade down and not exposed to you accidentally running your had along the blade as I have seen people do and me almost doing! I will never leave the blade exposed again as one of my friends took a slice of skin off the whole length of the back of his hand and has a huge scar now to remind me and him for the rest of his life!
@jerrybobteasdale 4 жыл бұрын
@@mikesmicroshop4385 Yes, that's the wise move.
@GreatPlainsCraftsman 4 жыл бұрын
👍Funny stuff Jim.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Tim! Happy 🎃
@adamwilson4834 4 жыл бұрын
Most of the people who say that are the type who simply regurgitate what they hear to sound like "experts" rather than critically thinking about things.
@randycarroll6014 4 жыл бұрын
It will cut the hair on your arm but what about your head Jimmy T? I do love that sound of it paper shaving wood!
@banjerlegs3051 4 жыл бұрын
But how would it have done if you did 101 times? Haha. Great Video!
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
🤔😂👍
@justinsane332 4 жыл бұрын
You are more likely to knock your lateral alignment off than you are to dull the blade. This is just silliness.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
For sure!
@janblomquist9961 4 жыл бұрын
My sweetheart was not good from the begining either, spent quite e bit of time as well. Maybe a new veideo on how to prepare a new no4 sweerhearth?
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
That good suggestion! 👍
@dcslapout5697 4 жыл бұрын
LastingBuild I would appreciate that so I would know more about it! I am new to this and knowledge is good !! Thank you
@fieryinferno88 4 жыл бұрын
DON'T PLANE THE WOOD! It will dull the blade even faster than setting it down on your bench. ;P
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@jimcarter4929 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't get dull until you do it 101 times.
@lastingbuild1373 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@joer5627 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone has an opinion, most should be kept to themselves. It is your plane, do as you wish
@adamwilson4834 4 жыл бұрын
Its not an opinion that a wood workbench wont harm your iron a y more than pushing it across a piece of wood lol.
@joer5627 4 жыл бұрын
Adam Wilson theorems many who disagree. I left the debate society many years ago. How people handle their tools are their business. I borrow with pride what works for me and leave the rest
@jjbailey01 4 жыл бұрын
It's not a myth. Not everyone has a fancy all wood bench like yours. Some shops have benches with steel nails, screws, strapping etc. Let's say for instance that you create the habit of sitting your planes blade down for yourself. That may be all good in your shop, where you most likey built your own bench and can recite the BOM and plans dimensions of it 20 years after you made it. Now one day, since you're now a master Craftsman, you get invited to make a demonstration at another shop, quite likely a school. You show up with your tool box and start removing your tools to set up for the demo. Out of habit, you set your plane blade down on the bench. Right on top a drill bit that some snot nosed kid broke off in the bench last week while screwing around. Or worse yet, you agreed to make the demo using the school's tools. The shop teacher had spent the week prior having the kids sharpen all the tools in the shop in anticipation of your "masterful" demonstration. Congratulations, you just demonstrated to all those kids exactly why you should never develop the habit of setting your tools blade down on a bench. Way to go! Yay you.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting
@jjbailey01 4 жыл бұрын
@@lastingbuild1373 you're welcome. There is a reason proper shop habits are taught. The underlying reason isn't always obvious. It can often be "proven" these habits are a myth. However, if you develop the habit of making sure tool blades are never set with the edge in contact with the bench, you can guarantee that you will never set the edge down on something that will damage it. However, if you don't develop this habit, there is always the chance that you will have an "oops" moment at some point. Usually right when you're least expecting it and can't afford the time to correct the mistake. Perhaps right before that last few finishing strokes of a piece that you spent hours getting to the current point. Which you now have to redo because you set your plane iron on some errant piece of hardened steel that put a nick in your plane iron. Setting planes on their side isn't taught because wood will damage the edge of the iron. That would be silly. The habit is taught to prevent the iron from ever being set down on hardened steel by accident. Maybe it's that chisel in your tool well that you didn't see. Now your plane is useless until you fix it because you decided that setting your plane on its side was not a good habit to develop.
@fieryinferno88 4 жыл бұрын
So that vast majority of hand plane users are expected to learn to lay the plane on its side on the off chance they get invited to teach at a school? "Proper habits" are based around what other people do in other shops? Then I am going to be spending more time fiddling with the lateral adjustment than I ever would resharpening a blade. My bench it usually littered with potential blade dulling objects. I've never had to sharpen my blade because I set it down flat on my bench. Never mind the fact that if I did nick it, it would only take me 5 minutes to resharpen the blade. I also look at someone like Paul Sellers. He teaches students all the time how to use hand tools and he's been using planes for over 40 years. If he says setting your plane flat on the bench is fine, I'd be inclined to believe hime.
@CMP-tr2ws 4 жыл бұрын
I think are high school woodshop teachers instill this myth in us.
@FireAngelOfLondon 4 жыл бұрын
They are more concerned with whether you might set it down on something metal, and I think that's where the rule to lay it on its side came from. School shops are often a lot more chaotic than a one-person workshop and there are a lot of random bits and pieces lying about. The wood won't harm it but a nail or screw might.
@negotiableaffections 4 жыл бұрын
I think this came about to prevent a habit forming of putting the plane down on its face - then it wouldn't get put down where metal objects, nails, screws, measuring tools etc may also have been left, HENCE damaging the blade edge. Just good practice, of course the table itself wouldn't do any harm. Think of apprentices with the carpenter's tools...
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
I know when someone new comes in the shop and grabs one of my freshly sharpened tools I cringe 😬 lol
@justinsane332 4 жыл бұрын
Apprentice more likely to cut themselves on an exposed plane blade than to cause any damage a quick sharpening can't take care of. My opinion at least
@negotiableaffections 4 жыл бұрын
@@justinsane332 Haven't you seen how people who don't OWN the tools handle them? I'd rather go onsite and do a DIY job for someone [at no cost] than lend them my tools!
@Vman7757 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it's the one hundred and seventh time that it happens. LOL Just kidding. Thanks for sharing. LOL
@labrat7357 4 жыл бұрын
Two hours of sharpening a plane blade, there is either something wrong with your sharpening technique or that iron has some serious issues. It may be the plane iron as I bought a stanley sweet heart 60 1/2 block plane and it was so bad I returned it. It was junk, I would not be surprised if the rest of the sweet heart range were built to the same standard and also rubbish. All the best.
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
The bevel is fine but the back still isn’t flat
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
The bevel is fine but the back still isn’t flat
@mountainviewturning5319 4 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍
@dcslapout5697 4 жыл бұрын
If you could only have 1 plane. Would it be that S #4 ?
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
#4 yes, brand not sure. Guess would be budget dependent!
@dcslapout5697 4 жыл бұрын
LastingBuild Thanks Jim. Stanley is about the best for the money I guess
@lastingbuild1373 4 жыл бұрын
It’s been a really good hand plane but I think I got a dud for the iron. I’m still working on flattening the back. Each time I get a little closer though.
@dcslapout5697 4 жыл бұрын
LastingBuild I have read a lot about that! I might have to try Irwin . I like their chisels
@adamwilson4834 4 жыл бұрын
Buy a vintage Stanley and restore it, 10 times the tool compared to new ones
@jimcarter4929 4 жыл бұрын
Plane police.
@kperellie 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that everyone thinks if a plane can cut a razor-thin shaving that it's sharpened and tuned to it's best. In truth, it's how thick of a shaving and how easy it is to plow the plane that really matters. Any plane, even one that's not really sharp can take a thin shaving, but try to do a thick one and see what happens.
@seephor 3 жыл бұрын
DON'T PUT YOUR PLANE DOWN ON THE WOODEN BENCH. But it's perfectly ok to put 100 lb of force into a piece of knotty hard walnut. Makes perfect sense right?
@lastingbuild1373 3 жыл бұрын
For sure! 😂
@James_T_Kirk_1701 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t think anyone thinks this anymore...
@Marrio49 4 жыл бұрын
I'll tell you what is not a myth, that is you are keeping the plane iron on the wood during the back backstroke. This will dull your iron a 100x faster than resting you're plane flat on the table. If you cannot lift the plane off the wood completely, then at least raise the heel of the plane with the toe sliding on the wood during the backstroke
@tkorkunckaya 4 жыл бұрын
Do sthg useful
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