This Is How the Top Gun Su-57 Dogfight Would Have Really Gone Down | Top Gun 2 Maverick

This Is How the Top Gun Su-57 Dogfight Would Have Really Gone Down | Top Gun 2 Maverick | DCS |

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@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

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@fubaralakbar6800 Жыл бұрын

You can't beat a plane that has a "Teleport to enemy's six" button.

@MACRONOne Жыл бұрын

@NoSoyAllowed copium?

@the-lag-gamerita5446 Жыл бұрын

@@MACRONOne the only people taking copium are the ones that think this jet will ever be' as capable as shown in dcs.

@hertzwave8001 Жыл бұрын

what if you have a tail gunner

@MACRONOne Жыл бұрын

@NoSoyAllowed Well, the F14 is then?

@johndreyer9730 Жыл бұрын

Lol

@rootstriker8209 Жыл бұрын

My favorite part of the movie was how the fifth gen fighter had its radar confused going low but the old F-14 didn't

@raadshafie2658 Жыл бұрын

That is a true statement.

@SPFLDAngler Жыл бұрын

The targeting system for rockets... when Mav got his lock they had flown back up, before going back in for a gunfight… Pay more attention

@axil5332 Жыл бұрын

@@SPFLDAngler What rockets? IR ones? It doesn't make sense to me that a missile gets confused by being near the ground when it only needs to see a high temperature engine.

@joes6883 Жыл бұрын

The difference between a 25 year old radar detection system and a more advanced one. They forgot to include below Hard Deck dogfighting.

@lloyd9710 Жыл бұрын

he didn’t have his radar switched on

@KineticVT Жыл бұрын

"I think I can get my nose on him before he can-" Su-57: *"Privet"*

@sf1292 23 күн бұрын

Privyet*

@rocksparadox 22 күн бұрын

@@sf1292 Privyet , state sponsored private jet!

@sf1292 21 күн бұрын

@@rocksparadox Sponsored all over the states

@jackburrows5850 Жыл бұрын

employing the strategy of intentionally crashing into your enemy in order to kill them when you don't have any other choice is absolute madness. I died laughing at that

@hurobiont1054 Жыл бұрын

It's the only way to be sure

@benajminhouseholder2086 Жыл бұрын

I mean we can't do that to them all. 38 million dollars just to crash into the Su-57 is kind risky but funny

@jollyroger8671 Жыл бұрын

@@benajminhouseholder2086 38 million dollars are crashing to 130 million dollars, thats a good trade off.

@Dude408f Жыл бұрын

Is NOT madness if it’s the only feasible

@Fishing4Fish96 Жыл бұрын

I mean Russia doesn’t have many and they’re hard to replace for them. So I imagine an F16 for a SU57 is a good trade off

@anpan6282 Жыл бұрын

“It’s not about the plane, It’s about the pilot” GS: In this case, I feel like it’s about the plane

@benoit.viguier Жыл бұрын

I was looking for that comment. :D

@jon2qt_746 Жыл бұрын

that's because the pilot in this case was not Tom cruise xDD

@anpan6282 Жыл бұрын

@@jon2qt_746 We will not have GS slander on this channel

@PrimarchX Жыл бұрын

From what I've heard about the F-22s flight control system, you pretty much remove the 'aviate' part of 'aviate, navigate, communicate' mantra of pilotage. You tell the airplane where you want to be and where you want to point your nose and it puts you there, physics permitting.

@__-fm5qv Жыл бұрын

@@PrimarchX To be fair though thats exactly what every single fly-by-wire system does, the F-22 just has more computing power and engine/vectoring power to pull off more ridiculous stuff.

@craigdaily4510 Жыл бұрын

Crashing into the Felon at the end was probably the most cost effective outcome🤣

@simonmarcoux5879 Жыл бұрын

I red an article recently and a F-14 in today's $ is outrageously expensive!

@DChrls Жыл бұрын

If GS had some Dr. Scholl's Gel insoles he might have stood a chance. Because he would have been, *Gellin' like a Felon*.

@UFO721 Жыл бұрын

Well that was desperate 🥲😅😂🤣

@The_Dark_Lord-69 Жыл бұрын

Allahu Akbar!

@narcissus79 Жыл бұрын

I believe that is what we call a Fox 4 situation

@SirMandorallen Жыл бұрын

The part that killed me about that movie wasn’t the F18 vs SU-57 dogfight… It’s the fact that they sent a bunch of F18s to do a mission that we have much more capable aircraft for…

@optimusprime7275 Жыл бұрын

Well the explanation was that they needed 2-seater aircrafts, this makes most aircrafts not an option anymlre

@Shade01982 Жыл бұрын

@@optimusprime7275 Except that explanation also made no sense, and they even proved it in the movie too. Maverick managed to do it alone. Sure, he is 'amazingly' skilled, but that wouldn't be necessary with more modern aircraft. More capable aircraft for strikes like that can do this single-seated no problem...

@optimusprime7275 Жыл бұрын

@@Shade01982 it wasn't due to the story, it was for the filming. The Navy wouldn't let Tom Cruise fly a multi-million aircraft😂they needed a 2nd seat for a real pilot

@Shade01982 Жыл бұрын

@@optimusprime7275 Oh, I thought you meant 'in-movie'. True, but that did make for a very unlikely story...

@voycodin5042 Жыл бұрын

I still don’t understand why F-35 couldn’t do the job. Made no sense to me.

@datrandomguy3253 11 ай бұрын

I love how he is constantly mirroring the reactions of Maverick and Rooster when they saw the Su-57 pull it's move. It just goes to show that even when you know it's capabilities, seeing them is a whole 'nother beast.

@cheapcraftingforbeginners3470 Жыл бұрын

This was really eye-opening to someone who doesn't fully comprehend the gap between fighter gens. Thank you!

@charlescarmichael1124 Жыл бұрын

Just so you know… Our F22 raptor would be considered a 6th gen plane compared to the Felon. We are still that far ahead of them.

@eiite4578 Жыл бұрын

@@charlescarmichael1124 This is just sad to read, the only thing that is certain about the F-22 is that it's stealth is alot better than the Felons, we don't know enough about the SU-57 to really confirm which is better.

@HahaHaha-gq8ft Жыл бұрын

@@eiite4578 yes we do . I think its the fact that you don't know what your talking about. The fact is the f22 has been in service for years . It is a better plane in almost every scenario .

@taelorpickel2830 Жыл бұрын

@@HahaHaha-gq8ft And that proves nothing. Cause the F-22 has no combat experience either. We know very little of the specifications of the SU-57 either.

@arunaschlevickas322 Жыл бұрын

@@HahaHaha-gq8ft i can tell for sure that you have no clue about neither of them. nor does anyone else outside of people directly involved. Guessing is not the same as knowing for sure. su57 may be busted the moment it enters any high g maneuver or it may actually be able to shoot down f22's with no more than a buttons press. being in service for years make it more likely that f22 will have less fatal flaws, but combat service would be sure to bring out some more, and there is not enough info about current state of su57 in service so where do you even get that info yours?

@danielelombardo8196 Жыл бұрын

"Tomcat getting bullied by a Felon for 10 minutes straight"

@sf1292 23 күн бұрын

Tomcat being bullied by an anti-gravity fighter jet for 10 minutes straight.

@Supershade9421 Жыл бұрын

4:21 was such a badass maneuver

@pjohns9532 Жыл бұрын

Growling’s comparison to it flying like a controlled paper plane is spot on. How that thing maneuvered was like it was weightless

@gabrielcalda7033 9 күн бұрын

Sukhoi's motto: "Physics sold seperately"

@travisday3669 Жыл бұрын

SU-57 maneuvers like its in ace combat. Literally insane.

@drparadox2106 Жыл бұрын

you saw that too, i will never shit talk project wingman or ace combat realism ever

@yastyman Жыл бұрын

@@weasle2904 there are many real videos with a demonstration of the flight of the Su-35 and Su-57, there is no difference

@viacheslav1 Жыл бұрын

@@weasle2904 sure?)

@topbanana.2627 Жыл бұрын

@@weasle2904 it is pretty close to real life

@javasoldier5926 Жыл бұрын

for sure its not real flight model. If turn logic on there is not much difference between two such plain in a dog fight. the fresher model must be much better in avionics and targeting. but fact from the real life : India got fresh SU-** but got to run from Pakistan F-16

@camaross1gen Жыл бұрын

GS living the legacy of Admiral Benson from Hot Shots the movie- "You know, I've personally flown over 194 missions and I was shot down on every one. Come to think of it, I've never landed a plane in my life."

@valcyrilestrada Жыл бұрын

the most underrated comment Ive heard in years....

@ErokCherokee Жыл бұрын

”God I love a good funeral!” -Admiral Benson "Really? That's my name too!”

@droman608 Жыл бұрын

😳💥😂🤣

@mikhailryzhov9419 Жыл бұрын

Hot Shots 3 must happen.

@DBSTH0R Жыл бұрын

hahahahaha

@dD_pLaYs_AlOt 11 ай бұрын

4:43 - "Ha! I dodged your missiles! What are you going to throw at me nex-" *Brrrrrr* "... Crap."

@gabrielcalda7033 9 күн бұрын

I like how against 4th gen fighters the Su-57 is a worthy adversary, but against 5th gen fighters its so completely outmatched

@MangoIsLove55 9 күн бұрын

@@gabrielcalda7033 dogfight no, long range beyond horizon, yes

@trinigaming5664 Жыл бұрын

You'd think this video would take away from how much you enjoy the dog fight scene with the su's in the movie but instead i love it more, for me it added so much more meaning and context to rooster absolutely browning his pants seeing the su pull that maneuver to turn the tables from maverick being offensive to defensive. Amazing video!!

@creditianistani6474 Жыл бұрын

i appreciate how the directors knew that there's no way the Tomcat can beat su-57s in a turn fight, so they made it a chase sequence , using mostly reversals (or asymmetric thrust and herbst maneuver magic) to get to the others six. The canyon terrain confusing the Felon's targeting system is a stretch , but it's still better than Maverick outturning the Felon hahaa

@OpeoAslam Жыл бұрын

I like the "drop flares so hopefully they'll end up in his engines" tactic. Very unexpected

@burnt_playz7853 Жыл бұрын

ya know the Chinese did that to one of our RAAF intelligence planes. They did it with chaff though.

@77Avadon77 Жыл бұрын

lololol

@OpeoAslam Жыл бұрын

@@burnt_playz7853 Did it work?

@elisnider8191 Жыл бұрын

@@OpeoAslam it was just meant to provoke them, but yeah it caused some damage

@OpeoAslam Жыл бұрын

@@elisnider8191 Oh damn, that's nuts!

@LongShotChannel Жыл бұрын

LMAO your tactic to take me down works! You did surprised me 🤣. Was awesome, love it when guns on you can change the mood so fast lol

@Andy47357 Жыл бұрын

would a second surprise boggie have messed you up when you got him with guns after he dodged 2 of your archers

@M167A1 Жыл бұрын

Should have snuck in another 14 about round 3.

@EnigmaticAnomaly Жыл бұрын

Only in Hollywood would an old Tomcat best a modern day stealth fighter.

@Shade01982 Жыл бұрын

It only barely deserves that title though. It's RCS is estimated to be almost similar to a Super Hornet without external attachments. Not all that stealthy...

@adriankovac1943 Жыл бұрын

Yeah su57 does not have a stealth shape so it's rcs is way to high to be a stealth fighter.

@wala3o Жыл бұрын

@@Shade01982 keep estimating

@Shade01982 Жыл бұрын

@@wala3o Not my job. Comes from official sources.

@wala3o Жыл бұрын

@@Shade01982 must be true then 🤡

@Ridingrules10000 Жыл бұрын

The maneuverability of that thing is mind-blowing.

@bennyb7772 Жыл бұрын

Ummm it’s a simulation

@Ridingrules10000 Жыл бұрын

@@bennyb7772, are you saying it's not a good simulation?

@niclink1030 Жыл бұрын

@@Ridingrules10000 prob not

@CRJCrombo 3 ай бұрын

Felon for sure can do these maneuvers. Su-37 could do them and it’s not a current gen plane. The russians really value “supermaneuverability” but the thing is that it’s generally useless since it loses you most of the energy and then you are basically dead in the air if there is a second plane to capitalize. I would like to see this again but with two F-14 and I would say that only about half of the time the Felon would be able to get both…

@REDrodder Ай бұрын

@@CRJCrombo i can agree with you but don`t you think that the fact that one su-57 can 50/50 win against two f-14 is quite good?

@Ofnir_Grabacr_ Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t help but smile when Rooster said “it’s the pilot, not the plane.” Sure skill gap between pilots can make a difference in a dogfight, but the difference between fighter generations is hardly an aesthetic choice. The things that Sukhoi aircraft can do is nothing short of impressive, and that was before they even had a 5th generation. The Felon is to be feared.

@aquarius5719 Жыл бұрын

I was amused by that. Pure Gary Stu Dunning Kruger effect.

@CS_Mango Жыл бұрын

"The felon is to be feared" When it sees combat in the 1st place. As for now it stays far away from enemy lines safely tucked away in some hangar.

@kriegdeathkorps6035 Жыл бұрын

@@CS_Mango It already seen in the Syria, though warfare there was veeery far from "real" intensity it was desinged for. Heard it going to be used in the Uk. So, chances we can hear about Felon some time soon. Mby.

@frenchfry1479 Жыл бұрын

Of NATO get a hold of the felon then yes, they would make it as stealthy as an F-22 with that hyper maneuverability

@spechund7109 Жыл бұрын

@@CS_Mango for once you people can't say Russian equipment doesn't work, so you switch to "it's not going to see combat" 🥱

@ECLands Жыл бұрын

The SU-57 is one of the only aircraft that move like they are lagging, and it works way to well! It flys pretty much like a bird

@AgainDaddy Жыл бұрын

hummingbird

@kaminenianirudh Жыл бұрын

F22 raptor says hi

@devendra_singh_rathore Жыл бұрын

@@kaminenianirudh ghantaa 😂😂 Su 57 is newer tech and much better than old american shit F22

@omniyx7837 Жыл бұрын

@@devendra_singh_rathore F22 is a lot better than f22 are you ok? Su57 isn't even 5th gen its 4.5

@shahshah2650 Жыл бұрын

@Thule Otsija No actually su 57 can maneuver like that since its engines can act independently.

@primeurmind Жыл бұрын

i like how at 9:43 you finally learn to vector the tomcat like a felon :P nice falling leaf there! love these vods

@joelmitchell4289 Жыл бұрын

I was a top gun kid in the 90s, and when I saw an air show in 2021 with an f-22 and a f-18 RHINO, I was blown away with how maneuverable the aircraft were. Imagine the stuff they are not publicizing. Great vid to show just how far these aircraft have come

@mikeyhbr Жыл бұрын

Question: The movie indicated that the F-14 is able to split its thrust. (Adjust engine power separately.) Maverick combined this with left rudder (and I think vertical pitch) to induce a spiral and decrease air speed. Instinctively I would think that this would induce a flat spin, but I just don't know. Does DCS allow you to split the thrust?

@GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

Yes DCS does allow it and you’re correct that it would induce a flat spin lol. Mostly because the engines are pretty far apart in the f14, but differential thrust works well with the f15 with the engines tight together.

@ryanleng8529 Жыл бұрын

After rewatching that scene I decided to play around with the asymmetric throttle limiter off pulling back stick and yawing in the same direction of the yaw from the engine and it does sort of induces a spiral like manoeuvre but you bleed air speed soo quickly that it doesn't appear like it does in the movie and like you said it just induces a flat spin.

@sawspitfire422 Жыл бұрын

I mean, a flat spin would induce a spiral and decrease air speed so technically a win? lol

@franken-aye1177 Жыл бұрын

Flat spin, spiral, either way felon still wins. 😆

@Haya-OhWaves Жыл бұрын

@@GrowlingSidewinder I'm not quite sure but I seem to have read an interview with an Iraqi pilot in which he said he saw a few rare Tomcats using asymmetric thrust in air combat during the conflict between Iraq and Iran...

@madworld109 Жыл бұрын

"You gotta get low. The terrain will confuse his targeting systems"

@kendallbedford2523 Жыл бұрын

From watch it looks like the Su57 has some extreme maneuverability which means don't get in a turning fight with this beast.

@sibidinakaran4757 Жыл бұрын

back in the ol' days when look down radar wasnt a thing

@hemendraravi4787 Жыл бұрын

@@sibidinakaran4757 yea like lmao that thing has really good radar at that point it won't even matter , it also has irst lol

@alexandersiebert4302 Жыл бұрын

Isnt that tactic for BVR?!

@bean108 Жыл бұрын

@@alexandersiebert4302 Won't work. Radar's just gotten too advanced for that kind of fuckery.

@travwrestle Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see the very tight formation start where 3 planes are basically wingtip to wingtip. Also, you would have to keep the F14 wings swept back while dogfighting like Maverick did...(I guess because he just didn't think going up against a fifth gen was challenging enough)

@acidbot666 Жыл бұрын

The Sukhoi SU-57 is a marvel of engineering and an impressive work of art.

@dayvvee6113 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Ryan us little kid. Go play fortnite

@dayvvee6113 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Ryan meaningless comm. I hope u are much better at eating fastfood than saying ur thoughts

@dayvvee6113 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Ryan i guess u fought in Afghanistan and Iraq then or not?

@dayvvee6113 Жыл бұрын

@Jack Ryan couch army?

@nonameprivate4689 Жыл бұрын

@@dayvvee6113 take down confirm in day light

@bleakambition495 Жыл бұрын

F-14: “haha, I’m in danger!”

@icyrust8831 Жыл бұрын

In the danger zone.

@BlueCation Жыл бұрын

Zone

@Tankdestroyer467 Жыл бұрын

*"I am testing this aircraft. You must find your own skies."* Watching this makes me realize that the reality of the Ace Combat universe is getting closer and closer.

@eaMCMLXXIX Жыл бұрын

I wonder how they put the 99 missiles of each type under the wings.

@denizberkaydeniz7483 Жыл бұрын

@eamMCMLXXIX Belkan technology

@LightningSaix Жыл бұрын

@@eaMCMLXXIX F-15EXXX

@febrianadji5758 Жыл бұрын

99 missiles 21 SAAM 9999 bullets

@zequadragaming8984 Жыл бұрын

Everybody gangsta till the sky starts speaking in Latin.

@thorssensgamesNCC1701 4 ай бұрын

It's an ok stick for starters but when the throttle wears out, it will not stay put and will drift because it's top heavy. I got the T16000M stick&throttle combo and with a little greasing the rails with electronics grease, it works great and a little adjustment made it better than out of the box.

@adityarajkar7534 Жыл бұрын

The best thing in the video was how the 30mm made short work of the tomcat in just a few hits, while in the movie mav took like 3 volleys of hits and survived

@zeroneutral Ай бұрын

Mav got nicked once.

@WoodyTheArmadillo Жыл бұрын

The first aces of air warfare were most of the time the best at surprising the enemy, killing them by attacking like a hawk from high up and diving towards their unsuspicious prays. It's funny to see that in modern fights the element of surprise is still the major factor, except now it's in a form of a missile that hits you without ever knowing an enemy plane was even there in the first place.

@sys3248 Жыл бұрын

A missile would never be able to fully stealth and in extension so is its sender.

@siniaura Жыл бұрын

Does the JAS GRIPEN 39 have the longest reaching radar detection by far?

@ufsteropolstero6014 Жыл бұрын

@@sys3248 infrared homing missiles are stealthy, they have passive sensors. active homing missiles are obviously another story.

@juliusEST Жыл бұрын

@@ufsteropolstero6014 modern jets have IR sensors for detecting any kind of missile launches.

@mikerowave1986 Жыл бұрын

The one who sees his enemy first already won half of the victory.

@JessidGallardo Жыл бұрын

You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements. Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.

@poison_corpse3140 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same✌️

@knmo2642 Жыл бұрын

Yes please

@benwatso Жыл бұрын

Get this to top comment

@ivantimofeev2233 Жыл бұрын

@@AyOuB.God-soldier mig29 mig31 su35 su37 su57

@casso_4974 Жыл бұрын

I hope he sees that

@benlewis2475 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome. Thanks so much for this. You are a great pilot and this thing takes you to the cleansers. As it should! The film was awesome but I did wonder! Let’s flip it though, imagine a guy who 30 years of experience, and has flown the 5th generation fighters and the f14...maybe, just maybe...

@cobrac4t34 11 ай бұрын

Maverick ramming the Felon would have been the most plausible means of getting kill. Mav would have been like "I am the missile" haha

@thebesttastingbleach6915 Жыл бұрын

This video was not the super mundane view chaser I thought it was. Very entertaining and somewhat educational. Thank you for your hard work, editing and putting hours into this.

@darrenjones2933 Жыл бұрын

Just asking because I'm not sure. Aren't F-22's and F-35's able to datalink to AWACS for the AWACS to guide missiles without the American jets ever turning on their radar?

@smitty4483 Жыл бұрын

@@darrenjones2933 depends on the missile, the one they have in the movie are heat seekers

@platiuscyndar9017 Жыл бұрын

@@darrenjones2933 they do have access to Datalink, which does do this to my knowledge. Of course, the F14 doesn't.

@MarionTIA Жыл бұрын

@@smitty4483 AIM-9X actually have TDL, not sure if they're 2-way. Still, that's pretty overkill for a heater. Granted, the 9X is on the edge of being a BVR missile, so pretty much everything on it is overkill for being a heater.

@genericyoutubeusername6462 Жыл бұрын

IM trusting you

@Iceman-hb3uk Жыл бұрын

Wasn't expecting that end lol Btw that's a tactic I used when I did a 1v8 with a Mig-29S against F-16, I finished both missiles (only had 2 r-73) and guns but still had one guy, I just thought "the bottom of my plane must be more resistant than his rudder". I was right, I had quite some damage but actually took off part of his plane, so I just crash landed my plane while he just smashed on the ground. Guess you gotta get creative sometimes.

@Jesse-qy6ur Жыл бұрын

@Iceman: When in doubt, use fox four.

@retardmoguss Жыл бұрын

@@Jesse-qy6ur truly well said

@ironskyheart7749 Жыл бұрын

The MiG 29s aswell as other Russian air superiority aircraft (SU27-37) and ground attack craft like the SU25 can land on their belly, be lifted and landing gear unrestricted/opened and set off flying again

@ironskyheart7749 Жыл бұрын

So using the belly on a Russian plane is a good tactic 😂

@Iceman-hb3uk Жыл бұрын

@@ironskyheart7749 well, as long as it works is good enough for me 😂

@ydiesel2214 Жыл бұрын

First time hearing "A popsicle's chance in hell" and will definitely be using it XD perfect description of this situation.

@kendellmoore8367 Жыл бұрын

How those Fighter pilots must've felt when encountering those UAPs, "*How did they do that? It's almost like they're a piece of paper*"! lol

@niklasdahlgren7641 Жыл бұрын

When an enemy airplane can basically do a handbrake 180 turn and just get on your six you know you are outmatched.

@Vanessaira-Retro Жыл бұрын

Many TOMCATs were harmed in the making of this video... 😢

@adammckenzie6074 2 ай бұрын

I love how fast it goes from what u think is ok and shit hits the fan faster then u can blink lmao

@mieschglenn Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Simulation. Damn the Su-57 is brutal. I wonder how a F-22 vs Su_57 dogfight would be

@thomasvertommen9526 Жыл бұрын

The SU57. The ultimate dogfighter, capable of just going 180° on you. Unfortunately for the guys that will pilote this, we now live in an age where we launch missiles at each other from beyond-visual range. So I'm pretty interested in knowing how it would fare in that compartment against a modern F16 or F22. Or an F35.

@Douglemagne Жыл бұрын

Versus the F16, it would not have nearly the advantage that it does against the F-14 in this video but would have the ability to still win possibly most of the time. Versus the F22 or F35, the SU57 would have almost no chance at all. Against either of those opponents, it would most likely just be stealth killed with no chance to respond at all but even given notice, those aircraft will still outmaneuver the SU57 about as badly as the SU57 outmaneuvers the F-14. At least one type of F35 doesn't even have to face the opponent to shoot them down, they can kill you from in front of you when you think you are about to win. The F35 is disgusting and basically unbeatable unless the pilot is has a stroke in the middle of the fight.

@ProudOne Жыл бұрын

not even the best dogfighter

@markvargus6519 Жыл бұрын

The US Military did several tests of an F-14, F-15 or F-18 against an F-22. The F-22 regularly won in contests where up to 8 4th gen fighters were sent up to take on just 1 F-22. The pilots who flew the F-22 complained about how easy the dogfights were. I really doubt the SU57 would dominate against the F-22. It truly is an amazing dogfighter.

@voidsmasher Жыл бұрын

Both the F22 and F35 will lose, because they cannot shoot down the SU57 from a long distance, as they do with other fighters, and then in a dogfight they will be outmaneuvered and shoot down just by gunfire.

@FinnisJaeger Жыл бұрын

@@markvargus6519 Finnish fighter pilots were on par with F-18 agains usa F-22 in exercise. Only in EW F-22 proved superior.

@MrSweetactionjackson Жыл бұрын

So I think I've solved the issue, Growling. Did you remember to sheer off the bottom half of the front landing gear on takeoff? That reduced weight clearly gave him the advantage over the Felon's in the movie. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@DuyNghia7 Жыл бұрын

LMAO , brilliant XD

@H3ntaig33K Жыл бұрын

Don't forget, in the movie the Su57 was firing what clearly sounds like a 50cal machine gun and not a 30mm autocannon.

@LongTran-em6hc Жыл бұрын

Yes, it moves center of gravity back, therefore increasing instability

@piscessoedroen Жыл бұрын

@@H3ntaig33K with such damage i am convinced it was actually a 7.62 with like a 300rpm or something

@lonelee5353 Жыл бұрын

lfmao i was about to comment the same thing

@Squidgy55 Жыл бұрын

That Su is majestic. Insane how it floats like that.

@markgadsby5568 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely loved this episode! Funny and informative!

@ronlucock3702 Жыл бұрын

4:42 "Two missles dodged from Felon...(multiple bullet hits)... oh, never mind" (ejects, again...)

@frightfulbuffalo7081 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Every squadron of F35 in every country can't defeat a single squadron of SU57. Because the Russians don't have a squadron if SU57 currently. 💀 Just a joke, I love the SU57.

@frightfulbuffalo7081 Жыл бұрын

Just in case some people starts shouting here, I took it from "not what you think".

@gaiofattos2 Жыл бұрын

Very salty F-35 enjoyer.

@ShizzleGaming14 Жыл бұрын

@@frightfulbuffalo7081 i love the plane too but that joke has been overuser soo much lool

@krolowamarysienka5311 Жыл бұрын

do you know you dont need a squadron your stil part of a wing as a flight and squadrons are made up of wings plus the pilots probably arent used to the geometry of the felon

@kohlshu8979 Жыл бұрын

@@gaiofattos2 Don't need to be salty when my plane is better 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

@conorgrace1 Жыл бұрын

Hilarious commentary love it. Great effort - sometimes people can be more of a 'Goose' & less of a 'Maverick', its the way it goes.

@chrisdouglas4427 Жыл бұрын

In keeping with Top gun, have two Hornets vs 1 Felon lol. That should be fun to watch.

@Ilke2gofst Жыл бұрын

Omfg 😂 that last one had me dying. Good (yet highly unfair) fight. Cool to see how they match up though. Thanks for the vid GS.

@nwbklr 18 күн бұрын

This was my favorite video so far. 😂 So many legendary one-liners. 👏

@VSLeader1 Жыл бұрын

3:42 "It's like you're fighting a piece of paper" had me rolling

@CastawayHikes Жыл бұрын

I would be really interested to see a Felon and a Supermarine Spitfire in a guns only match. The video you did before on the Spitfire vs modern aircraft was really interesting and entertaining

@N8TheSnake Жыл бұрын

THIS!!! WE ARE HERE FOR THIS!!!

@igorkatkov1957 Жыл бұрын

Su57 is way faster more maneurable and have computer assisted gun fire. I think the answer is obvious

@justinmorgan2126 Жыл бұрын

Spitfire will die every single time. It would be a farce.

@sir-stabs-a-lot5626 Жыл бұрын

@@igorkatkov1957 Well if the Felon can lock on to the Spitfire

@igorkatkov1957 Жыл бұрын

Why not. Spitfire is from iron) western were always rich. So no problem for radar. Actually it would take on radar even wooden russian Yak and La) And Su57 can fly at like 500miles per hour which is perfect for the case. No problem.

@thanush3351 Жыл бұрын

POV: u liked the vid before u watch it

@2ndtonone1000 Жыл бұрын

Remember, It's not the plane, it's the man in the box.

@viktor_v-ughnda_vaudville_476 Жыл бұрын

Every time

@Maxtherocketguy Жыл бұрын

@jamesbizs 11 ай бұрын

I wish the POV nonsense would just end

@edwardsarty9572 3 ай бұрын

Same reaction with the su27 vs f22. Love the fox 4 at the end😂

@Mr.Scootini Жыл бұрын

I noticed that when deploying chaff and flares against a fox2, getting out of burner helps defeat the missile.

@SlipKnot7866 Жыл бұрын

"it's not the plane, it's the pilot in the box..." "...and instantly lost visual. Where'd he go?" "WHERE'D WHOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

@timhui950 Жыл бұрын

Kinda breaks my heart to see the Tomcat lose so easily. Not much you can do against time and tech development, but still sad to see.

@brainmind4070 Жыл бұрын

Why is it sad? It's outdated technology. No need to get emotionally attached to it.

@timhui950 Жыл бұрын

@@brainmind4070 Things that spark a childhood imagination and memories of those adventures later in life, can easily trigger emotional response. I must have shot down hundreds of migs while piloting a Tomcat when I was a kid.

@brainmind4070 Жыл бұрын

@@timhui950 Me too, but the Tomcat being retired isn't the sad thing there. Losing years of life and childhood innocence is. The F-22 Raptor is a huge improvement, both technologically and in its ability to inspire in my personal opinion. It just looks so much more futuristic by comparison. Much cleaner lines and downright ridiculous in its maneuverability by comparison. Watching simulated dogfights between the F-22 vs. 4th gen fighters is like watching puny humans trying to take on an advanced alien spaceship. Be sad for your own mortality, but don't be sad about technological progress. It would be infinitely more sad if technology had not advanced since the 70's-80's.

@panzerrjcb Жыл бұрын

@@timhui950 In my childhood, i destroyed hundreds of Tomcats with my Mig

@panzerrjcb Жыл бұрын

@@brainmind4070 In my Childhood, i think i destroyed hundreds of Tomcats with my Mig, and hundreds of Abrams Tanks with my Mil mi 24 Hind chopper. I dont know why, but since very young age i allways loved Russian tech, and i belong in a Nato country.

@watsomd 22 күн бұрын

Your opponent flys like a real life TF Blitzwing. It makes the footage from the film even more amazing. Thinks for this.

@joshpeterson2451 Жыл бұрын

"Teleports behind you" has taken on a whole new meaning after watching the Felon in GS' videos

@harrystone8847 Жыл бұрын

Interesting info; Aircraft built in 60's thru the 80's were designed to be stable, whereas the newer aircraft are designed to be unstable. If you were to remove the flight control computer from the 5th generation aircraft, and some of the 4th generation fighters, the pilot would not be able to maintain stable flight, and they would have to eject. That's why the Felon is able to make those kind of turns, and the F-14 can't.

@zeenom2794 Жыл бұрын

How else would you expect the 5th gen aircrafts to get these super maneuverability, Both the F-22 and Su-57 can literally dance in the air 😅

@yo_Oga Жыл бұрын

The Russian SU 27 planes were built on the same principle, different from the classic weight distribution in airplanes (the center of gravity is not in the front). I think there was a case at Le Bourget when the control system of SU 27 failed and the pilot manually flew the flight program and finished the flight. Of course, it is a matter of pilot skills, but still planes can be controlled without balancing systems in case of emergency.

@TremblingKiwi Жыл бұрын

"If you were to remove the flight control computer from the 5th generation aircraft" Well. Step further and take vectored thrust from 5th gen. Or guns, IDK.

@hllboi817 Жыл бұрын

Fly by wire vs mechanical

@NhatHuy8204 Жыл бұрын

Elite Dangerous players: *flight assist off*

@tylerkim1103 Жыл бұрын

To think the F-22 can compete and win with it just shows how capable both these aircraft are.

@PhilipTrouble Жыл бұрын

The F-22 can win, but it’s a fairly even fight, and I think it’s super fun to watch the all-mighty F-22 struggle for once, instead of just dominating

@Crimsonking741 Жыл бұрын

@@PhilipTrouble “finally, a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!”-chad f-22

@alekosalekadis6095 Жыл бұрын

@NoSoyAllowed you can compare from real videos doing maneuvers and shows. Damn! They are almost indedical with simulator Dcs. I have watch many videos with f.22 show off and su 57.

@PhilipTrouble Жыл бұрын

@NoSoyAllowed It’s an extremely capable machine, enough that the European militaries decided the Eurofighter Typhoon won’t be able to handle it any longer. And I‘m very sure that Sukhoi was specifically tasked to conceive an aircraft capable of taking on the Raptor when they got the contract for building them

@andrewrogers3067 Жыл бұрын

@@PhilipTrouble The F22 has faced the Su57 three times on this channel, and it won twice and tied once (though in that video they did an extra round, so the F22 still won).

@arctic3032 9 ай бұрын

"Like fighting a piece of paper". A very apt description. That thing turned a new leaf every 2.5 seconds.

@cameronvanhooft Жыл бұрын

4:11 Exactly what Rooster was thinking in the back seat

@redshirt5126 Жыл бұрын

GS: "Did he just slot into my six?" Su-57 pilot: "да" shoots missile.

@michaelballard7323 Жыл бұрын

The dreaded “Six!” I have never understood why no 4th Gen fighter had a rear gun! Maybe rear-facing fox 2’s? ass lasers? Smoke screens? Shredded tinfoil glitter flares? Oil slick?

@nooneyouknowhere6148 Жыл бұрын

James bond that sucker up!! Seriously, why no rear facing ordinance and radar targeting.

@cd7848 Жыл бұрын

If you "grease the air" you can clog up their engines to fly off the planes! Works everytime

@neth7826 Жыл бұрын

I can think of a reason for everything there except the rear-facing fox 2. Maybe rear fox 2s take up valuable forward facing space?

@yeoldesaltydog7415 Жыл бұрын

Switch roles. See what he see's he'll feel your pain too. But I'd love to see a 'What if..' the YF-24 essentially the Tomcat in F-22 form swing-wing. And has vectoral thrust. Cool video as I served with the Tomcat twice before they retired. VF-211 Checkmates and World Famous VF-31 Tomcatters. Sad they're this poor now. But they were amazing planes. Seen them do well over mach 1 several times

@theintelectualdragon2310 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this i knew what would happen seeing it is better

@gromm93 Жыл бұрын

My understanding of evading those missiles is that when you pop flares, you also have to turn off the afterburner. Otherwise the missiles stay with the temperature of the burner without getting fooled by the flares. Of course, the enemy plane will just use that to bleed your speed until you're just stalling.

@racket804 Жыл бұрын

it probably wont help much. Modern IR missles have ECCM which already counters flares most of the time. The only way to somehow avoid this is to pre-flare before the missle is launched.

@coldblade2000 Жыл бұрын

In most of those engagements, the tomcat had already bled plenty of energy. Turning off afterburners would be suicide

@Aquascape_Dreaming Жыл бұрын

Turning off afterburners doesn't instantly cool the exhausts. They would still be putting out an enormous heat signature. IR missile evasion does not work that way.

@itsuk1_1 Жыл бұрын

Turning off AB does not instantly cool your engine nozzle down, and by doing that you just signed your own death sentence by losing thrust in a dogfight

@DickSlap Жыл бұрын

I believe the flares produce a much larger heat signature that not only trick older IR systems but it also blinds them in a way that the flares are the only things it sees therefore it will lock on to them instead, but new systems are really good at tracking and you basically have to pop flares as soon as the other plane started trying to get a lock because if it manages to get a lock it's goodbye

@baomao7243 Жыл бұрын

4:21 The Su-57 nose authority is JAW DROPPING.😳 I have never lusted after a plane line this. Never.

@mcflyingfury Жыл бұрын

@Geek Same the non TV model feels a bit sluggish to me

@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45 Жыл бұрын

The maneuver in 4:20 or so is mind blowing.

@lesliekingsley4993 Ай бұрын

Love to see that again from the POV of the pilot of the SUV-57.

@hangarflying Жыл бұрын

Yes, the “should” have died, but your test has the same issue that the simulator pilots investigating the Sully Hudson landing had: they knew what was going to happen and they were able to anticipate. So, you need to start a fight with him directly adjacent to you, and he can’t immediately react…he needs to delay his reaction. So, they’d be able to survive the first one. But I agree they wouldn’t survive any of the others.

@kukuruyo5994 Жыл бұрын

There's also the small detail of Maverick being probably the best pilot in the planet XD

@f0gxlight886 Жыл бұрын

Bro, he started on his six and still lost, the poor Tomcat has NOTHING on the 57.

@real_dddf Жыл бұрын

well in the last match he had element of surprise and successfully rammed him...

@quasimondo1933 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure what problems the simulator pilots investigating US Airways 1549 had, but those simulations were simply to answer the question of it was even possible for Sullenberg to make an emergency landing at Teterboro or return to LaGuardia (it should be noted that the NTSB never questioned his decision to land in the Hudson). Once the NTSB added a 35-second delay to the simulation to remove the anticipation of a dual bird strike (35 seconds being how long it took for Sullenbarg and FO Skiles to assess the situation, attempt one engine restart, and decide to ditch), none of those simulation pilots were able to make a successful landing at Teterboro or Laguardia.

@ededdandeddytv5164 Жыл бұрын

Great use of quotation marks. Definitely necessary, or else we wouldn’t have understood what you’re saying.

@voorhees7796 Жыл бұрын

"It s not impossible, that s not only the plane, it s the pilot "😆

@mikk01975 Жыл бұрын

The Sukhois look really good too! And we all know that's the most important thing 😅

@Jazari21 Жыл бұрын

That splay 1 was funny definitely got the job done though lol.. good work man

@baraahamoood3372 Жыл бұрын

Man you can tell that even though you got your ass kicked you enjoyed the fight,. Respect for the sacrifice

@tolkienfan1972 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. What an amazing way to demonstrate the difference in maneuverability!

@iridium5122 Жыл бұрын

Pete Mitchell is really the GOAT if he can take the Felan with a Phantom. Now I want to see that shit.

@FedorMoyKot 24 күн бұрын

6:34 imagine being a pilot who just ejected and you hear that howl, bone chilling

@s3p4kner Жыл бұрын

Su-57 is currently waiting for an engine upgrade, it's using older gen from the Su-27 era while manufacturer sorts out some production issues. Both aircraft have 3D vectoring thrust nozzles allowing the pilot to do magic tricks and while the F-22 'only' has 2D vectoring letting it pitch up/down extremely hard, both systems cause severe bleed of kinetic energy. Plane becomes a brick. The need for high power, high response engines is paramount. Check out F-22 pilots presentation about training against Indian Airforce including canard + vectoring Su-35. Russia's current doctrine is focusing on super manoeuvrability with some low-observable tech, while USA goes full stealth. The F-22 radar return is estimated to be the size of a steel marble, an incredibly impressive achievement for such a large flat aircraft. The photos of Su-57 with all the rivets showing and non-stealth paint just doesn't stack up... yet.

@KionKamon Жыл бұрын

I’ve read that the reason that the Russians hadn’t put the new engines in the SU-57 yet is that the new ones are larger than the older engines. Also I thought it was the SU-37 Terminator that had the vectoring thrusters, not the SU-35. Though the SU-37 is a modified SU-35, and as far as I’m aware only two were ever actually modified (I might be mistaken on that though).

@voidsmasher Жыл бұрын

@@KionKamon Vectoring thrusters used and tested on SU-27, SU-35, SU-37 and SU-57. SU-35 using them by default, except export versions. Vectoring thrusters are banned from export, so even export version of SU-37 will go without them.

@zoyaelizavetahafeez2 Жыл бұрын

F-22 also has a lot of rusted rivets

@aerojetrocketdyners-2538 Жыл бұрын

@@zoyaelizavetahafeez2 the Su57 has shitty countersunks that are exposed💀

@immikeurnot Жыл бұрын

Su-57 is also waiting to become a real production aircraft.

@Celtkin Жыл бұрын

Best.ending.ever! You two guys make the best videos together! Always a treat.

@luciusbouchard3533 Жыл бұрын

Agreed !

@yargospofg Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip at the end there, now I know to ram into a felon and "survive"

@PhillipChalabi 4 ай бұрын

I have to say this is the most frustrating fight I have seen you try. The maneuver kill at the end was gold.

@sinisterknight9696 Жыл бұрын

57 will dust an F14 pretty much every time. Great video illustrating the differences. A couple things to consider when comparing to the movie, The first 57 was a surprise attack. It doesn’t matter if you’re in a spaceship, If someone rakes you with fire before human reaction can kick in, you’re going down. As for the second 57, it was a chase, with guns. Not a dogfight. Their objective was to escape. Not saying that would change the outcome there. But it might be an interesting scenario to play out. The F14 is faster than the SU57, although that doesn’t speak for how fast they get to their top speeds. So escape is maybe feasible?

@creditianistani6474 Жыл бұрын

lots of luck with the missiles always dying to the flares too top gun maverick's world has some OP flares

@tommyliu7020 2 ай бұрын

@@creditianistani6474they only dodged one missile with flares. The first missile was dodged because Maverick used the falling Felon as chaff 😅

@DJSubDOg Жыл бұрын

One of your best videos. Always great to see the other side of air superiority. Honestly mind blowing how that “thing” moves. No contest.

@binster691 Жыл бұрын

I love all your videos but ones like this, where you get frustrated and become cannon fodder, are my faves. Literally LoLd throughout.

@daz4172 4 ай бұрын

Incredible how the SU-57 went from on your 12 o'clock, straight up and over you to be on your 6 before you could finish saying "what the..." Great flying from both of you, but that plane just floats like a leaf in the breeze! Great video.

@icaleinns6233 Жыл бұрын

You finally nailed the only way a Tomcat is gonna take out a Felon! Hilarious!🤣

@rwauneka Жыл бұрын

FOX 4!

@icaleinns6233 Жыл бұрын

@@rwauneka ROFL!!🤣

@zeenom2794 Жыл бұрын

@@rwauneka that's one big FOX 4 🤣

@funkmonkeyfun Жыл бұрын

Nice to see someone out there still understands how air planes work..

@raymondmckinley5955 2 ай бұрын

Love your content guys,I wish I could have shared your channel with my best friend who was an excellent pilot but unfortunately he died in 2018 in a helicopter crash while threading hight tension power lines.

@Dude408f Жыл бұрын

You only had like 4 seconds of happiness in the whole video 😅 One second before ramming and the next three!😂

@pushing2throttles Жыл бұрын

2 missiles dodged... you were so proud. Then guns... nevermind! I literally am laughing. Hey bro, you did well. 5th generation thrust vector style fighters are just doing things that are aerodynamically unreal. P.S. I always smash the like button at the beginning of every video before I even watch it. I mean you wanna know how to kill em? Like this... ram him. You actually said splash 1 su57 felon. I suppose we don't need to see that on tacview debrief!

@jhanks2012 Жыл бұрын

won't they just be shot down by current gen laser and railgun weapons no matter how fast and agile they are? Asking for a friend

@dilet1114 Жыл бұрын

@@jhanks2012 This isn't Ace Combat...

@donl9571 Жыл бұрын

Another scene for the "famous last words" collection

@thomasvelazquez9789 Жыл бұрын

It's a 4th gen fighter remember present day reality not pr

@sztypettto Жыл бұрын

Unit economics of ramming a jet into another, and the probability of achieving that is enough qualification to grant the person suggesting that strategy an escort into a lunatic asylum, pillow on the face, and pull the trigger.

@Taurevanime Жыл бұрын

This is like watching someone bringing an Ace Combat plane into a combat sim. The things that plane is able to do are outside of anything you are used to seeing. You tried your best in an unfair fight. Kudos for remaining cool and keeping things entertaining.

@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Жыл бұрын

Gives you some deeper respect to the F22 as well since it can do the same thing.

@arcsephiroth Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 no it can't. F22 can't dog fight like this with 2D vectoring. F22 can kill the target from far enough though. But like this close af one on one dog fight, it can't do the crazy shit su57 does