I also appreciate it cause I’m also a Downton Abbey fan

Maybe in a serious film. Not one messing with fans.

It could have been really good if it had been executed well... which it was not.

i somehow agree with all these comments

Ok well this ain't a fucking Michael Moore movie bruh

But what about the actual terrorism that is out there? Not just the fake perception of it

Maybe we'll see it in what if

The main difference is Incrediboy worked and he worked well, this bait and switch for Iron Man is just god aweful hahah.

And also kinda plots from dark knight rises and lethal weapon..

Also exact same plot for Mysterio in Spiderman Far from home, even did the big unveil 🙄

​@@drifter4training Because Shane Black hasnt ever had an original thought. He's best known for writing a buddy cop film in the heyday of buddy cop films.

@@anon4854 He didn't write 'a' buddy cop movie, he wrote 'the' buddy cop movie

Same with age of ultron lol

The first time you realize that The Mandarin is a fraud and a goofball was great for a chuckle because it was so unexpected and it subverted your expectations, but on further viewings, it kinda ruins the movie because they had nowhere interesting to go after that. That only works if you have an even more interesting villain to take his place, which Iron Man 3 doesn't. It reminded me of when they killed off Snoke in Last Jedi and it blew my mind, "They're killing off the big bad in the SECOND movie??!! I can't imagine where they're going from here!!!!" Unfortunately, it soon became clear that the writers & directors didn't either 😕

@@travistotle Yeah the Trevor reveal is funny in the moment but then the rest of the film just reverts to type and Tony faces off against yet another tech villain who has a long standing grudge against Stark over some perceived slight. The initial portrayal of the Mandarin made the film seem much more interesting as it suggested Tony would confront a villain entirely outside his normal "wheelhouse" of tech villains with a previous history with Stark.

@@travistotle based

@@mikenolan73 Also, I liked the idea of Iron Man, a scifi/fantasy hero, taking on a real/current world threat. But, nah. Let it really be the guy who breaths fire cause he got his feelings hurt because he got ghosted by a billionaire😆

It’s really weird and almost disappointing that the fx have only gotten worse over time, but the budget and box office steadily increases...

Back when you'd swear if you were on set you'd be able to reach over and touch the Iron Man costumes because they looked so real.

@@quietman208 box office increases are a thing of the past if they keep in this direction, Riri, America, etc.

@@zachryder3150 Some of them were I think

I’m so sick of obvious arena sized green screens. It makes the acting suffer too.

He was until this STUPID scene spoiled it.

@@LATVERIAN1 As dumb as that scene was, it really showcased Kingsley’s acting talent considering how easily he can portray two different characters in the same movie.

So.....? He should have gotten over that by now It's not really that big a deal

@@chideraalexanderdex547 what may not be deemed as a big deal to you could mean everything to another person

Bruh he never took the official appointment with Tony Stark, he just met him at the party. Lol

@@Lil_Valor yeah but it's still poor character motivation. Random people who go up to billionaires and successful men with ideas they have that they should invest in usually get similar or worse responses. Tony's was just extra cruel to tell the guy to go wait for him on the roof and not realizing that this particular guy was most likely going to believe him and most likely stay up there quite awhile before getting what should have been obvious from the start. That's on Tony but to decide to dedicate yourself to killing the guy is beyond too far, it's absurd. Especially since he is a successful businessman now and Tony has been through hell since then, he has no reason to not just let it go. He is arguably better off at the start of the main story than Tony so what else does he need? It's why it's hard to buy the guy as a legitimate villain. His motivation is baseless. What kind of normal guy devotes his entire life to messing you up because you obnoxiously turned his fairly sketchy business offer(his highly informal approach during Tony's leisure time isn't exactly professional) down about a decade ago

@@shripadreddy4852 exactly

I think the twist and the reveal actually work pretty well. The problem I think is that Guy Pierce just feels really bland as the actual villian. If the movie gave us a character that was actually better the Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin it would have been great but Guy Pierce just felt like a step down.

I don't even think the movie is overtly all that hated, it has quite a bit of fans. It's just one of the more divisive movies in the MCU, there are people that really love it and people that hate it. I kind of have the opposite feeling to you though about the twist: I think the twist IS the problem, but the actual scene itself is pretty funny just because you don't see it coming at all. The twist itself is the problem because they didn't have anywhere interesting to go after that. If the Mandarin gave way to an even more interesting villain, people would almost universally love the movie. Instead, Guy Pearce's character is just bland, his motivations are flimsy, and he's just not compelling.

If it weren't played for a joke, then it wouldn't have gotten on so many people's nerves. If the Mandarin guy wasn't a goofball, the scene wouldn't have felt like such a slap in the face

@@officialmonarchmusic Now you make sense, I'm not over looking a bait and switch 10 years later because "Oh now it isn't so bad". As a long time Iron Man fan finally excited to see the Mandarin who turns out is just a bait and switch to a SNL skit, it's still F'n BAD. It's like a horrible prank if you ask me. Because it ruined the experience of Iron Man and the entire build up. This movie could have been memorable but now it's easy to forget.

@@Kanoog Actually I am not a comic reader and wasn't TOO bothered by it myself, but it hurt the movie. I am just pointing out part of how it is a problem. How great of a problem it is... that's up for everyone to decide for themselves

One of the wonderful aspects of the storytelling tradition is the cultural discussion that surrounds storytelling. The story often takes on a shape after the story is told. There is no good reason to tell other people what they should and shouldn't like. And there is no reason for me to complain if someone meticulously explains why they dislike something.

@@legostuds680 it was great in isolation and disconnected from the film

Didnt read the comics and still thought it was dogsh*t. The marketing made the Mandarin seem menacing and powerful. Then we find out he's just some goofy actor and the real Mandarin is Syndrome from the Incredibles.

@@anon4854 lol yeah, cuz its a plot twist

@@idontknow5038 Well plot twists exist to subvert the viewers expectations. And it sure subverted my expectations of an interesting villain.

@@anon4854 it probably could have been written better yeah but since i wasnt there for a mandarin movie i was okay with it

I think you're onto something here. There's something about Tony and Steve Rogers and their relationship that threads all of these movies into a single thematic arc. When Steve questioned who Tony was without his suit, and he answered, "Billionaire genius playboy philanthropist," I think Tony was well aware how hollow those things were to him. They were all expressions of his grandiosity, not his true self. The whole plot structure of The Avengers stripped away who each character thought they were, to find the hero beneath. Cap thought he was a soldier, until he had to defy orders. Tony thought the impenetrable suit meant he didn't have to risk anything to be a superhero. But if it costs nothing to be a hero, is it really heroism? You can't always cut the wire. Sometimes you have to lay down on it so others will survive. I don't think death was truly real for Tony until The Avengers. Even as a prisoner in Iron Man, I think he always assumed he'd be able to think his way out of the problem. It wasn't until his only solution was self-sacrifice that he truly faced death. And that rattled him. He finally understood what Cap faced in every battle, that he'd never truly faced before, the undeniable certainty of death. And as we know, that revelation is what he was coping with in IM3. So that's why his episode without the suit was so important. For the first time in his life, Tony was the underdog. With all his grandiosity stripped away, we can finally see who Tony the man is. And that's why, I think, it was relevant for the Mandarin to be revealed as nothing but a facade. The grandiosity without the man is just an empty suit, a fiction. It's even what Extremis was about. Aldrich Killian had transformed himself into an Iron Man suit, becoming the perverse reflection of what Tony had wished to be, an invulnerable super-being that can do anything and risk nothing. He shows Tony that vulnerability isn't a flaw, it's the thing defines heroism. A life without risks and vulnerability is the life of a coward. Tony's arc was always about taking on the responsibility of living in the world, rather than standing outside and above it. Part of that was going without the armor his wealth and genius gave him. It's, like, a metaphor or something. Anyway, thanks for this comment. I was never the biggest fan of IM3, but you gave me a knew insight into it.

@@rottensquid wow..... You said that much better than me.

@@natereath4966 Yeah, I think way too much about this kind of thing. It drives my friends a little nuts, so I come here and dump it on you people. But I'm just glad to find fellow geeks who also get way too into it.

@@rottensquid kinda the same with me, I want to talk about this stuff with people but there really isn't a conversation where this would come up. and it just seems weird to go up to someone and be like "Iron man 3 is actually a pretty good movie and here's why." You just can't do that without sounding like you're reading the title of a watchmojo video.

@@natereath4966 It's true. I used to be able to have these convos with my professional nerd friends at comics shows, but covid put the kobash on that for while. And anyway, you'd be surprised how pros can be as biased and reactionary as anyone. We try to be objective, but sooner or later, it's always "here's how I would have done it." And that's the worst reason not to like something you didn't make.

I'm a "comic fan" and can support what they were ATTEMPTING to do. That said they got cold feet and chickened out. Instead of addressing a compelling and adult topic they through in corny Marvel humor and pretended the actual topic was no longer important by having a goofy and non-satisfying 3rd act. A "comic fan" can appreciate the set up, but it has to deliver on the execution; which, ultimately, it failed to capitalize on.

That's what they were going for. However that's NOT what was delivered.

But that’s the thing, they pulled off the character without the racist prejudices before they turned him into a punchline. If that were the case where they felt he is too much of a stereotype, then they shouldn’t have used his character at all.

I believe the Ten Rings is the problem. The Ten Rings terrorist organization was established in the first Iron Man movie. And I bet you that any comics fans wanted actual Ten Rings with mystical powers, and a villain that uses them. When they used the name Mandarin without any of that, it signaled wasted narrative potential. At least in that sense All Hail The King and Shang-Chi did good on it. And to a degree the Avengers tie-in comic by using the Ten Rings as the excuse for War Machine not appearing in the Avengers movie.

Amazingly boring.

I would also add that the reveal wasn’t for “just a joke” it was planned out as a Gotcha!. And All Hail the King was more than Likely planned ahead of time which shows that.

@@zaczane the director, Shane Black, said in an interview that most of the one-shot is a response to audience backlash. It wouldn't have been made if not for the backlash. So I'd say it you're just pretty wrong here

@@ryanhatesgirls oh okay well I never saw that interview. And if so that’s sad because it worked so well either way.

I mean, I'm all for variations. Heath Ledger's Joker is strikingly different than anything we've seen in comics, but that was his greatest strength, that he rebuilt the character from the ground up, rather than copying something already formed. But yeah, the way the Mandarin was built here was a tragic mistake that undercut the whole film, and the character. I get what they were going for. Had Ben Kingsley's Mandarin been what he seemed, he would have been a one-dimensional villain, a reductionist take on Osama Bin Laden, without enough insight into the world that creates a figure like Bin Laden. But turning a real-world villain like that into a comic book supervillain opens up a huge can of worms, the biggest, fattest one being bigotry against anyone remotely Muslim. Maybe a movie could have handled that with sensitivity, but not this movie. So I totally understand the choice of making this Mandarin a staged character designed around American fear and prejudice. But the choice of turning him into Trevor Slattery was the slap in the face, undercutting all he tension of the film so far with a cheap joke. And replacing Ben Kingsley's impressive supervillain with Guy Pierce's routine one took the wind from the movie's sails. Aldrich Killian, nerdy underdog turned handsome monster, is about as rote as you can get. And we get no insight into his actual character. He's just the answer to the mystery, the jack of clubs when we were expecting the king of hearts. His reveal didn't feel meaningful, just the needless elaboration of a mediocre story that we thought was going somewhere more interesting.

Amen.

Agree, my favorite of the trilogy.

💯

Disney would have never allowed that 😒 but it would of been great to see in live action.

Literally, just you

I got you. Iron Man 3 and it's portrayal of the mental anguish of an anxiety/panic attack (difficult things, but they look similar) was very accurate and was nice to have in such a major movie. It's my favorite Iron Man movie for it.

Actually a lot of people including myself

@@ryanhatesgirls It is really good.

@@trentc7329 good at being dull

Well, there was still in fact a villain recruiting wounded soldiers...

The Mandarin actually was recruiting wounded soldiers and actually does expose Stark’s hypocrisy. Your problem here is that the Mandarin was played by Guy Pearce and wasn't some Fu Manchu kind of character. The entirety of the movie matters.

@@Carabas72 You’re right, he was actually recruiting. But I have no problem if it was Guy Pearce or someone else playing the mandarin. I dont want a fu Manchu caricature cuz that’s gross. my problem is the emotional whiplash that the villain was not who he was and the stakes didn’t matter. The villain was once again another tech villain ugh! I was hoping to see a villain who Iron Man couldn’t just easily punch his way through. Initially the movie looked promising like a battle of ideas, then it turned out to be another smash em cash em Disney movie.

@@getschwifty5537 yep you’re right that was a typo. Good catch! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@@bnkumar8836 The Mandarin is a tech villain. His rings haven't been magic in ages. Also, Killian was not a villain Tony could just punch. That's not how it went in the movie. The Mandarin in the comics on the other hand, very punchable, usually. I am not really getting what you wanted out of this that wasn't in the movie. A movie that does not have any kind of plot twist? good luck with that.

BS!

It's theme was good. The execution not so much.

Oh god yes. The final battle is terrible, and the suits are made to look like they're made of tinfoil instead of steel. The Mandarin twist is the best part of the entire film.