How Counterfeit Rolexes Actually Work | How Crime Works

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Rob Holmes is a private investigator. He works with major luxury-watch brands to track down fakes and stop them from getting to market.
Holmes speaks with Business Insider about how counterfeits are made in factories overseas. He gives details about how fake luxury goods are trafficked into the United States and distributed to consumers, tells us how the counterfeit industry has evolved with the rise of a new generation of "superfakes," and gives advice about how to spot a counterfeit. He also examines a genuine Rolex, and gives tips on how to spot a genuine watch.
Holmes began investigating counterfeits during his childhood: his father, Robert Sr., was a renowned counterfeit investigator in New York in the 1980s. Holmes describes his dad's encounters with Chinatown gangs and tells Business Insider how he and his brother are carrying on their father's legacy through their investigations business, MI:33.
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00:00 - Intro
00:39 - The Fakes
01:44 - The Factories
03:49 - The Distribution
05:54 - The Market
08:20 - The Repairs
09:29 - The Raids
11:33 - The Investigations
13:42 - Spotting a Fake
16:48 - The Bigger Picture
19:03 - A Family Business
21:24 - The Legacy
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@Insider 25 күн бұрын

As we were preparing to publish this video, a representative from Customs and Border Protection wrote in an email: "Trade in counterfeit and pirated goods threatens America's innovation economy, the competitiveness of our businesses, the livelihoods of U.S. workers, and, in some cases, national security and the health and safety of consumers. CBP targets and seizes imports of counterfeit and pirated goods, and enforces exclusion orders on patent-infringing and other IPR violative goods. CBP's interdiction efforts begin well before a conveyance or shipment arrives at a port. Advance electronic shipping information, actionable intelligence, and information sharing partnerships are critical components that enable us to quickly identify, target, and deter the entry of counterfeit and dangerous goods, including illicit drugs, in all operational environments. Advance information is a critical and effective component of CBP's targeting and interdiction efforts."

@ststst981 25 күн бұрын

It threatens the corporations' and shareholders' insanely huge profits, not the workers

@terence7009 25 күн бұрын

yet they allow temu to exist. temu has an office in boston, and facilitates the sale of counterfeit goods by the millions and absolutely nothing is done about it.

@TheBusyJane 25 күн бұрын

Ah, yes. The American innovation of Swiss watches, Italian bags, Electronics made in China, and clothing made in Bangladesh.

@andrewgarcia3136 25 күн бұрын

You guys didn't vet this information at all

@Dontworry1 25 күн бұрын

Tell them to do their jobs. I went to NYC last month and you can walk up and down time squares and see several guys with large suitcases full of fake purses, hand bags and sunglasses all with the big brands logos. They lay it all on a blanket and try to sell them as the real stuff. Lots of times it will be 3-4 ppl next to each other selling. Cops just a few feet away not doing anything.

@shreyasr1989 25 күн бұрын

If sweat shops and child labor is a concern then real Nike and Apple should also fall in same category

@liamswan5764 25 күн бұрын

The truth.

@dv7768 25 күн бұрын

Yeah it is only about western companies not able to maximize their profits.

@irkedcs 25 күн бұрын

Right, I'd be pretty willing to assume that a majority of people making counterfeit goods are not also involved in human trafficking. Gotta justify their actions in the name of capitalism somehow.

@Fridelain 25 күн бұрын

And just about every other major brand.

@ultimatedouchebag6760 25 күн бұрын

It should be a crime for rolex charging people thousands for watches are few hundred dollar to make.

@binkleyme 25 күн бұрын

They're called "Super Clones" not "Epic Fakes" And the grey market isn't watches that fell off of a truck. It's mostly pre-owned watches sold by non-authorized dealers. Some even in brand new condition because someone bought directly from Rolex and went to sell it to a grey market dealer for a profit. What kind of "expert" is this?

@WindowsXP-SP3 25 күн бұрын

He is clearly not a watch person. He has no idea what he is talking about

@andrewgarcia3136 25 күн бұрын

Not a watch person and not a good investigator either

@stephenboykin4958 25 күн бұрын

I’ve been in to watchs for about three years and I already know more about fakes than this guy. He is so misinformed. That chain he’s wearing is ridiculous. It probably fake.

@vintageexcellence 25 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂 these comments, yeah I hear super clone & exact copy when I’m in Asia.

@ijustwantedtocommentbutnow526 25 күн бұрын

To give him the benefit of the doubt, he did say terminology constantly changes to avoid detection. And that his undercover need to look like fools to actually get a fake. If he seemed like he knew too much a dealer might be hesitant to sell to him. He might be using old terminology on purpose or is using the terminology most prevalent 10-20 years ago. "Epic Fakes" definitely sounds like slang people in the early 2000s would use. The word epic was literally used everywhere. Slang also is different in each state

@michaelk7007 25 күн бұрын

I think the person in this interview is a counterfeit investigator. He seems to be struggling with basic terminology with watches alone.

@user-eq5ub5rs3g 24 күн бұрын

Ye that was my thought, he obviously has bias since he works for the big brands, the grey market stuff he mentioned was just complete nonsense

@CLGaming874 22 күн бұрын

The watch he was reviewing in the video is a fake IMO lol

@rlkinnard 16 күн бұрын

@@CLGaming874 what gives it away? why do you think so?

@willrestaino9282 15 күн бұрын

He’s a investigator not a watch expert he is not spot on on most things

@genericsomething 13 күн бұрын

I'm a watch enthusiast, and I noticed the same thing. The rest of his story also sounds rather fantastic.

@cinilaknedalm 23 күн бұрын

When a guy with a chest medallion tells you buying luxurious watches instead of fakes prevents human trafficking, you naturally believe him

@user-mu2mp8ll6c 2 күн бұрын

Bahahaha..... truth

@tonkaty 25 күн бұрын

Where did Business Insider find this guy, 2 minutes in and I'm amazed at the amount of misinformation.

@tonkaty 25 күн бұрын

Watched another 5 minutes, holy moly. This is laughable

@HotTacticalBoyfriendOfficial 25 күн бұрын

My BS detector was going haywire. It's like he googled "fake rolex" 10 minutes before he was interviewed, so he could drop a couple of buzzwords. And trying to pass-off basic common sense as CIA-level spycraft? 🤣 Walter Mitty for sure.

@Benzo1818 25 күн бұрын

Thank you…this is ridiculous

@asuka_the_void_witch 25 күн бұрын

oh so it's fake.. well, it fooled me

@JKHTX 25 күн бұрын

He's a counterfeit informant?

@momocha84 25 күн бұрын

I stopped when he mentioned Louise Vuitton, who buys a fake LV watch 😂

@glynnepritchard2526 24 күн бұрын

I came here to say exactly the same... he hasnt got a clue

@laurencerosenthalwinckler4439 24 күн бұрын

in 2 minutes his credibility was gone.. "LV watch".. "only way to spot a fake is on the movement" who invited the "insider" for this interview? Hes clueless..

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

And he says "Dial" and "face" of the watch as if they are two different things 😂😂

@Sporkmaker5150 23 күн бұрын

@@laurencerosenthalwinckler4439 He's far from clueless as far as the logistics of the fake product industry. 'Watch guys' consider a LV to be a joke but there's a massive market for any sort of knockoff LV product from people who perceive it as a status symbol. He doesn't seem to know much about actual watches but that's beside the point if he's concentrating on manufacture and distribution.

@grahamsquared 23 күн бұрын

His credentials: Aliexpress account and a few whoppers his dad told in the 80s.

@TheRealCartman1 25 күн бұрын

This is just embarrassing. He works for the watch brands so of course he's going to lie and misrepresent facts for them. The issue of forced or child labor is a China issue, has nothing to do with counterfeit watches, even Apple and Nike has the issue. Guy is citing a story from 30 years ago about swapping gold for gold plated then claims it's common today so only use authorized dealers - this is no different is Ford claimed only they can fix your car and anyone else will cause your wheels to fall off. The assessment if the watch is real is out of date, good counterfeits today are impossible to tell from real unless you remove the case back.

@sterlingross919 24 күн бұрын

Just because that happened twenty-plus years ago doesn’t mean jewelers don’t still do it. It’s pretty common. The other issue with taking a watch to a non-authorized repair location is the second it’s opened by someone unauthorized the entire value of the watch gets wiped out. If you buy a $60k Patek Philippe brand new and take it to a jeweler to get it iced out in $40k worth of diamonds, that watch is only going to be worth $40k.

@TheRealCartman1 24 күн бұрын

@@sterlingross919 you claim "it's pretty common" like this "expert" but cite no recent examples. Having a watch serviced by someone who isn't authorized doesn't wipe out the entire value as long as they know what they are doing.

@ctdieselnut 24 күн бұрын

@@sterlingross919 the second the back is removed by someone unauthorized, it's worthless, seems like some pretentious nonsense on par with john deer/right to repair (oh, if farmers fix their own tractors like they have been doing for a 100 yrs, they'll be unsafe and everyone will die. Just like the ford example above). Gate keeping, profit protecting garbage. Can some idiot screw up a watch, sure. But it's a watch, no ones life depends on it working (and the supposedly highest quality watches are sometimes notoriously inaccurate and unreliable anyway). Just my opinion, I'm not an expert.

@Conorguill 22 күн бұрын

It stands to reason that the issue of forced or child labour would be worse in the counterfeit world. Those big brands have a reputation/PR risk which counterfeiters don’t & the big brands also have a higher margin

@CLGaming874 22 күн бұрын

I have a strong feeling that the Rolex he was reviewing was in fact a fake

@adslf874yti3q7u4hf83 25 күн бұрын

TIL that Louis Vuitton is a big watch brand, and that Super Clones are called Epic Fakes all within the first 90 seconds of the video. Where did you find this guy? Grey Market watches are refused to service? lol, like you can't just say "I bought that on a trip to ". A watch is a watch and they can be serviced by any decent watchmaker/jeweler. "You need a magnifying glass to tell if it's a clone" and then confidently announces a watch as genuine using his naked eye.

@ccoder4953 25 күн бұрын

And from what I've seen of the super clones, even if you have a magnifier you really can't tell. Maybe if you are extremely experienced or have a genuine one to compare directly to, but not even 100% sure then. But otherwise, the quality of a good super clone can be so impeccable, the average person won't be able to tell, even with magnification.

@ionlawrence4401 25 күн бұрын

Most clones needs to be opened to see if they are real. There are legit brands making Rolex designs with their own branding(Steelfish, San Martin, etc) that matches the Rolex build quality and specs on everything but the movement. The difference is that these brands charge $2-400. A good "fake" has all the properties of a Rolex, but it´s just not made by them. Just like the cost of an LV bag is $20. LV really is making good watches, but they are not a watch brand, and isn´t gonna be counted as such.

@JS-cg3ir 24 күн бұрын

This guy knows nothing. There are many contradictions and falsehoods.

@ilijamatanovic4720 23 күн бұрын

@@ccoder4953 I just recently came back from China, from Shenzhen, went to a fake market (that sells every type of goods, all fakes) and I've seen Sub clones that go for 60 bucks (after a little bargaining) that are impossible to discern from an original. It has a shitty Chinese caliber inside and the lume is weak, but an average person would never in a million years think it was a fake. This dude is a dunce and seems to know next to nothing about watches, but he might be a god PI

@dimplesd8931 22 күн бұрын

I use to take my watches to the authorized dealer for servicing but over the lifetime of the piece that’s more than the watch costs… $200 for a battery!? Did that for a few years till a service tech in Tiffany told me to take my watches to the “watch repair” in the big department store in the same mall. She said, this battery regardless of brand costs $10 and the BS about it only being opened by that brand is to make money. Fast forward 25yrs , Patek, Tiffany, Baumé&Mercier, A.Piguet all go to a local guy who works on my pieces in front of me in a shitty strip mall. He charges 1/10 the price. I’ve gone to him so long that he doesn’t even charge me for battery replacement anymore.

@grahamsquared 23 күн бұрын

Insider: Are you a counterfeit watch expert? Dude: Yes, I have been on Aliexpress. Insider: Come on in!

@DonHavjuan 22 күн бұрын

HE is a counterfeit expert. Not a real expert.

@Sasripper 25 күн бұрын

'Just buy from an AD!' Hahahaha Ok! sure 80s nostalgia man!

@joseherrera8489 22 күн бұрын

Yeah, good luck. I’ve been to 5 ADs around me and only one has put me on the list.

@VoltMX57 20 күн бұрын

@@joseherrera8489 I've been on the "magical" waiting list for a Batman since 2018, its complete bs

@Dzokhar 25 күн бұрын

I'm not even halfway through this and 90% of what I've heard is incorrect or misleading. If this is an average example of what law enforcement knows, it explains why so many reps get through customs.

@supaflymicros 25 күн бұрын

He forgot about the guys that open their over coats with all the fakes. 😂

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@badlarry172 8 күн бұрын

ha ha yeh

@kdm_entertainment 25 күн бұрын

The dad gave him one of the fake watches? Isnt that very hypocritical..?

@ukgmail5329 25 күн бұрын

I came here to post this comment actually I find it kind of sickening and shocking that he was locking people up for selling what he was wearing as a kid ... Wonder how many of their friends and family also got freebies... Funny how it's okay for the cops but not for everybody else... And to think these watch criminals probably went to jail... Watch brands have got bigger and bigger every year... Counterfeits totally help drive their market as a gateway product... as soon as a counterfeit wearer has enough money they generally buy a real one.... this is great for their business.... Total bulshit that someone's made their living locking up people for this trade... We need to fix real criminality before worrying about protecting big brands... Who don't pay tax and don't give a crap about you.

@JCosta-pw5ui 25 күн бұрын

This guy sounds rather shady himself... Most likely a grifter.

@ameershakoor7623 25 күн бұрын

Did he buy or steal the fake during one of those “raids”? lmao

@KMQ32 25 күн бұрын

Exactly, wouldn't doubt he was selling some on the side. So, dude just admitted he dad was is a criminal and how he said it makes me think he is as well.

@itsalexc91 24 күн бұрын

@@JCosta-pw5ui He definitely seems that way, he's giving off the energy of some high paid 'consultant' or something who doesn't actually know jack about the subject matter. He's completely wrong and spreading outright propaganda on some of these claims

@Andromahlius 24 күн бұрын

That interview is a serious hit to the credibility of Insider.

@Amish_Paradise 22 күн бұрын

as if they already had any

@jaychen8823 10 күн бұрын

@insider seriously, delete this video. Your editor should be ashamed for vetting this 'investigator'.

@Nathanielcameron 4 күн бұрын

So then why are you here boss? My only theory is you & @jaychen8823 are in the industry which by checking yall out seems very credible. You idiots arent fooling anyone.

@wiskybiz 24 күн бұрын

"The only thing worse than a fake Rolex, is a real one." - Jeremy Clarkson

@1marcelfilms 9 күн бұрын

Yeah also if you spend the money on a real one everyone will think its fake anyway.

@user-eq5ub5rs3g 24 күн бұрын

Insider should get a legit expert on, the world of super clone watches is very interesting, the quality, finishing and clone movements are crazy advanced today

@CubeInspector 12 күн бұрын

Yup they are my buddy has an AP replica he paid $200 for. He's had a real one of the same model come in and compared them and said they're almost exact copies. Me personally I just stick to my 1950s pobeda.

@morgangallowglass8668 25 күн бұрын

I had a fake Rolex that lasted me over 20 yrs. Not bad for $20 U.S. when I was in the Philippines in the 80s. Why did it break? I was wearing it when I crashed a motorcycle.

@BrianCassidy-hb9pg 23 күн бұрын

You forgot to mention one important thing. If you want to buy a Rolex and have the money, it doesn't matter, they literally won't sell you one! So for the majority of people buying a fake is the only way to get one.

@ilijamatanovic4720 22 күн бұрын

Well, certain models, sure, but the majority are readily available

@joseherrera8489 22 күн бұрын

@@ilijamatanovic4720like? OP maybe. But who wants an OP? Oh yeah, female models are probably also in stock. But again, who wants the women’s watches?

@ToolwatchBoutique 21 күн бұрын

@@joseherrera8489 Walked into an AD last September as a new customer without any purchase history and left with an Explorer. Batgirl and No-Date Sub were available too. Most models are actually available today. It's rather a matter of how you present yourself and where you live.

@JojoJoget 21 күн бұрын

If no one could tell the difference at glance, why would it matter?

@ilijamatanovic4720 21 күн бұрын

@@joseherrera8489 I guess you're from the States? I'm in Southern Europe, you can get most GMT II's at ADs in my city, most Subs, Sprite especially now etc. Steel Daytonas are of course not readily available, new Yachtmaster either. Just came back from Hong Kong and Dubai. Rolexes galore. Every major airport this side of the world is also full

@HotTacticalBoyfriendOfficial 25 күн бұрын

Did Insider check this guy out first? Can I just present myself to them as an "expert" and they'll take my word for it? Strong mall cop vibes. I would have expected to see him featuring in a stolen valour vid.

@OttawaInHD 25 күн бұрын

This video is so dated

@FCD844 25 күн бұрын

That necklace he’s sporting. Never trust a man wearing something like that.

@mrboatshoe 25 күн бұрын

@@FCD844I was just about to comment the same thing😂😂😂

@charlesthehammer4097 23 күн бұрын

@@FCD844he really wants us to see it. Like the Johnny Bench necklace John Candy bought in Brewster’s Millions. (Google it :))

@flylikechi6 25 күн бұрын

Who the eff buy LV counterfeit watches. At least say AP or something like Omega..

@djmarshmellow431 21 күн бұрын

right! this guy is a clown

@sanangelo7926 14 күн бұрын

Because people do. LV has watches with their name on it and the counterfeiters will copy anything that is considered a luxury items.

@chestermarcol3831 Күн бұрын

@flylikechi6 - This made me ACTUALLY LOL, because it's so spot on. LOL

@smithandshortdogs 25 күн бұрын

0:55 a face and a dial are the same thing... you are looking for the term "crown". Easy mistake, especially when you already used the word crown to describe Rolex's logo. But then going on to say it is easy to spot a fake movement.... ehhh... you are about 5-10 years behind if you actually believe that.

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 yea that made me laugh. "Dial and face"

@philipwarren93 21 күн бұрын

He should have used the word "coronet" to describe the "crown". Man's a clown

@MrMaxyield 17 күн бұрын

I knew within the first 90 seconds this guy is a schmuck 😂😂

@luco323 14 күн бұрын

Rolex clones till this day don't use free sprung balance so it's very easy to determine it's fake even for someone with little knowledge once u open the watch, but other than that he is just talking garbage

@CubeInspector 12 күн бұрын

And that's just rolex. AP and Richard mills are all over too

@alphaTrader.oo1 23 күн бұрын

He looks more likes a watch dealer than an investigator

@josenunez4884 24 күн бұрын

How come, after so many years in the industry, he doesn’t know the “face” of the watch is called DIAL ?????

@ben_r_ 23 күн бұрын

I’m so glad that guy left his shirt open so we could all see his necklace 🙄

@jt-ok6sp 23 күн бұрын

14:05 the swipping hand comment 😅 I'm not even sure the guy knows the difference between automatic and quartz.

@1992CaliBoy 25 күн бұрын

Big criminals calling little criminals illegal

@ismarwinkelman5648 24 күн бұрын

Thank you!

@charismaticares3382 23 күн бұрын

😂😂😂lol

@HUKIT. 25 күн бұрын

My father, my father, my father. Keep riding those coattails…

@junito1008 22 күн бұрын

I’m glad all that counterfeiting is going on because the brands support the gray market to keep the prices up. Why I have to pay $15K if that Rolex msrp is $8K. Why I have to wait 2yrs to buy a Submariner?

@danielalt7508 23 күн бұрын

I read a comment once that said something like "fake watches sold cheap that are near identical to the real watches, is showing why real watches are just too overpriced"... It stuck in my head...

@BigTuna69VCR 22 күн бұрын

Same here. I remember seeing a video a couple years back where they compared a $900 "Super Clone" Rolex to the real thing under a microscope. Even the movement was spot-on. What was most stunning was that in some places the metal finish on the fake was more fine than the finish on the authentic item. The only thing the fake watch was missing was the wait-list. That video destroyed my perception of luxury swiss brands. I only go with microbrands nowadays and Timex for beater watches.

@RoverTheDog1 21 күн бұрын

Paying a Swiss person a living wage is much more expensive than paying some Chinese child close to nothing

@alexs5394 25 күн бұрын

This is just making me want a counterfeit. Literally such high quality that you can't distinguish them from the real deal? Then....why pay for the real deal?

@causetheplumstasteyum7848 25 күн бұрын

Yeah i kinda agree , usually the people who pay the prices for these type of items have more money than sense. Thanks hank.

@atema5320 21 күн бұрын

It's really come down to ethical reasons. With genuine Rolex watches you are paying for the cost of labour, production + profit. For the fakes you are honestly just paying for profit + production. The labourers get almost nothing after risking their lives. And for some consumers their pride, reputation, morals etc. have them paying higher for genuine.

@causetheplumstasteyum7848 20 күн бұрын

@@atema5320 The average price of a rolex - the cheapest ones they make are 7 - 20 grand , i know they are unique and clearly well made but 20 thousand for a watch really is madness , its mainly greed and attention its just the same when moron celebrities spend 20 , 30 grand on a handbag , greedy people with too much money.

@Watch_for_me 20 күн бұрын

Why do people purchase real trading cards instead of fake ones? Why do people purchase real fragrances instead of clones? Why do people purchase real paintings instead of prints? It's the exact same reasons, for the right of owning the real thing.

@Sleezy.Design 16 күн бұрын

@@causetheplumstasteyum7848some people buy a rolex as an investment because they're worth more over time. Other people buy one to treat themselves for succeeding in life. Other people are just stupid rich, like you said, and buy them because the can, just to flex

@robg7892 25 күн бұрын

this guy is a watch outsider. LOL Hillarious! comedy gold, jerry, GOLD!

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

What the deal with Ovaltine? They don't call it Roundtine 😂😂😂

@stephenboykin4958 25 күн бұрын

I’ve been in to watchs for about three years and I already know more about fakes than this guy. He is so misinformed. That chain he’s wearing is ridiculous. It probably fake.

@BasTHoorn 25 күн бұрын

For vintage watches, don't go to an authorized dealer for repairs.

@bozobebop5859 25 күн бұрын

-antique roadshow

@safensecure67 24 күн бұрын

@@bozobebop5859 FYI, Antique Road Show is owned by Liberty Mutual Insurance. It is designed to upsell insurance policies.

@LLombard-ys1zp 25 күн бұрын

It sounds like this guys dad was running a gang of his own. Sawing doors and confiscating property as a private investigator/off duty cop? Shameful.

@ptrm7815 21 күн бұрын

That was my thought exactly. How can a civilian just break into someone else's store and "confiscate" (i.e. steal) their stuff? Even cops need a warrant in most cases. Then again, I'm not American, maybe there you can just call your gang "Investigators" and go play cops and nobody minds. This guy is faker than those $5 watches. The "$200.000 price on my dad's head" sounds like a complete BS, and he obviously has no clue about watches. I would be surprised if anything that he talks about is true.

@oo-kk4rv 24 күн бұрын

This just proves that counterfeiting items isn't bad. This guy was wearing counterfeits as a kid given to him by his dad

@ststst981 25 күн бұрын

Oh no, it became harder for Rolex to artificially restrict product to inflate prices, im gonna cry

@reachthesingularity 25 күн бұрын

Artificially restrict? LMFAO bro they’re a private company they have every right to make only 1 watch a year if they feel like 💀 y’all are so slow oh my god please help us

@ststst981 25 күн бұрын

@@reachthesingularity yea sure they absolutely do, and it still counts as artificial restriction.

@hittingreens5646 25 күн бұрын

@@ststst981 so by your definition any company that isn't producing product 24/7 regardless of demand is guilty of artificial restriction

@ststst981 25 күн бұрын

@@hittingreens5646 any company that purposely ramps down production solely to create scarcity of their product is. It's legal but it's a shitty business practice. Why are you so desperate to suck off a watch company that shafts its customer base

@stevenray9229 25 күн бұрын

they don't artificially restrict them. they make pretty much as many as people want that can afford them with around 1 million pieces produced per year. they are needlessly expensive and not debating with you on how much they cost or if the price is fair. just that it's not artificial inflation, it's just glam expensive like Versace or Gucci. for artificial restriction you can look to supreme or the diammond trade. supreme makes money off of fomo and people not being able to get ahold of their stuff, diamonds are a market created by diamond profiteers who have massive stores of this relatively useless gem.

@pateksla 25 күн бұрын

Bro just said Louis Vuitton 🤭

@nicholastotoro7721 25 күн бұрын

Undershirts, sir. Please consider them.

@Witchblood 25 күн бұрын

TAKE IT ALL OFF

@MikeBarbarossa 20 күн бұрын

Just button TF up

@SeanEmman 15 күн бұрын

😂

@Anonymous-hs2km 25 күн бұрын

Holy moly...he couldn't talk about watches for a minute without telling a story about his father.

@DeanABerge 25 күн бұрын

If they are using the same machinery, what would they need child labor for? This is propaganda by the watch industry. If you are selling a product that can be reproduced for 1/20 th of your price... there is something totally wrong with your pricing!

@sinjinadams2862 25 күн бұрын

Overhead, marketing and all the other things that go into running a business. It's not cheap you know.

@delphic464 25 күн бұрын

The quality control of real watch makers creates massive rejected parts which significantly increases the cost. The precision of all the parts is so high that there is a considerable number of parts (a mechanical watch contains hundreds or thousands of invidivual parts) that are rejected due to minor manufacturing flaws. Counterfeit products can crank out cheap goods because they don't have this level of QC. The accuracy of and Omega (+/- 1 second a week) verses a Sieko (+/- 8 seconds a day) is why the former cost 10x the latter. A cheap knockoff is not only inaccurate, but it will probably die after a few months, and is almost guaranteed to not be as waterproof as an orignal.

@user-ul4wy2lx2m 25 күн бұрын

The real Rolex takes months to make with real gold and other fine materials and it hold its value very well

@davidb2 25 күн бұрын

@@delphic464 Which Omega is that accurate?

@michaelbcohen 25 күн бұрын

bc they dont use the same machinery, and a lot of the groups involved in counterfeit watches are terror groups like the Taliban

@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 25 күн бұрын

My Casio Calculator Watch had better not be fake.

@aimonaidark 25 күн бұрын

Bad news they actually fake casios and seikos now

@scotttillman01 25 күн бұрын

I bet that watch already paid for itself in poon!

@jamesblonde2271 25 күн бұрын

it does happen....😂

@claytonberg721 24 күн бұрын

@@aimonaidark The way you tell a fake seiko is everything lines up correctly.

@aimonaidark 24 күн бұрын

@@claytonberg721 lmao true 🤣

@snub04 25 күн бұрын

Dude is talking smack about China but is wearing a Dragon medallion…

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

He's probably being paid off by china

@charlesthehammer4097 23 күн бұрын

He missed the 1970s

@SenorTucano 19 күн бұрын

Don’t worry it’s a fake

@nhfanful 25 күн бұрын

MY Folex came in yesterday. Thank you Hong Kong

@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights 24 күн бұрын

You like? Best quality only for you, sir.

@nhfanful 24 күн бұрын

@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fights Chinese quality > Swiss quality

@user-of1qo3zt5s 24 күн бұрын

@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fightsthose trusted dealers usually call you 'my friend'

@Watch_for_me 20 күн бұрын

@@nhfanful Just mad you can't afford one. You'll get there one day, buddy!

@nhfanful 20 күн бұрын

@@Watch_for_me Lols, an insecure Rolex owner who bases their worth on the watch they own. Not surprised

@themagpie_1 25 күн бұрын

Clearly this guy has never been into an AD. The AD`s have forced us all to use the grey market they all `hate`??

@RabbitWatchShop 25 күн бұрын

This man lost me, because he thinks "the face of the watch" and the dial are different. The amount of misinformation this guy is telling his audience is baffling.

@gamerbabyy 25 күн бұрын

Aren’t they different features or is that wrong?

@AnonymousYouTubeconsumer 25 күн бұрын

@@gamerbabyythe face and dial are the same thing, he probably meant the crown of the watch as that’s what the video showed.

@sinjinadams2862 25 күн бұрын

Yeah, he has said a few things that are not correct. He still needs to get a little better educated when it comes to watches.

@HotTacticalBoyfriendOfficial 25 күн бұрын

Yeah something about him didn't ring true. He's the sort of guy you can imagine propping up a bar and telling everyone in earshot, about his time in the Navy Seals/CIA/NASA etc etc.

@Entertainment- 25 күн бұрын

@@AnonymousKZfaqconsumerHe also said band when almost everyone would call it a bracelet

@magstheonlyone 25 күн бұрын

Next video please - How Counterfeit Experts Actually Work

@charlesthehammer4097 23 күн бұрын

lol true.

@minyuan86 24 күн бұрын

If sweat shops and child labor can produce quality of watches close to the original..... these countries sure train their worker very well

@Red-Red-Red-Red 8 күн бұрын

Counterfeit watches are easily stopped when the buyer decides to be clever and pay the minimum shipping fee possible rather than $35-55 for an Express delivery.

@jdaz5462 23 күн бұрын

The only one that got duped is the "Journalist" who did this interview. It's ironic, because this guy is a fake. No one buys a fake LV and you can absolutely just search for clone, replica, or fake. You can buy a superclone with ease. This guy has no clue.

@erikandersen2146 25 күн бұрын

Lol when they showed Ali Express

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

😂😂 that made me laugh

@WAYNESWAYS-ib3cm 25 күн бұрын

This must be an old video BECAUSE THIS GUY IS WAY OFF ABOUT THE MODERN “super clone replicas”

@notorious3013 24 күн бұрын

You mean epic clones lol

@J.Tylercobb 10 күн бұрын

Good to see Cam from Modern Family out here living his best life!

@alfredthegreat9543 24 күн бұрын

My friend has a Superclone of the same Rolex he owns. Genuine one he keeps in a safe because he's scared he'd lose it in a mugging.

@shelstone66 25 күн бұрын

Canal street still strong in 2024 lol

@RDYnation 8 күн бұрын

What a joy to watch. It's always wonderful to hear from someone who knows their trade in and out. Truly, there's nothing but years of wisdom and knowledge on show here! Seems like a lovely guy to boot.

@michaelbcohen 25 күн бұрын

what is this guy saying. First of all, the high quality copies are Super Clones, not Epic Fakes, that is a term no one in the industry uses. Also they dont use the same machines, they use similar types, but not the same, as Rolex, Patek, and others have their own custom equipment. Also what he said it not the "Grey Market, that in the Black Market. Grey Market are legit second hand watch dealers, may times Jewelers, selling real watches second hand because they are not authorized retailers. They are actually regulated in the US and most countries (under trade laws they are regulated, they all are insured, bonded, etc), to ensure the watches aren't stolen, and they would not be able to do "mixing", those are underground black market dealers, not Grey Market. And a lot of those things he describes of the black market, hasnt existed in 20+years It is also false that the brands do not like the secondhand Grey Market, Rolex actually encourages it. In fact the largest Grey Market seller in the world is owned by Richmont, a major watch company that owns brands like IWC, Cartier, Vacheron Constantin, and others. Most repair shops are honest, it is very rare to find ones like he describes anymore, not for years. It is a small industry, and everyone knows each other. Also what called "Franken Watches" is not what Franken Watches are. Franken Watches are watches made from mismatched parts by a trained horologist to recycle parts from older broken watches. They are very obviously such watches, and never met a dealer who tried to pass off one as real. For an alleged expert, he knows so little about the industry he is talking about

@matthiaskolesnikov1085 24 күн бұрын

Thanks! Absolutely right

@FrothingFanboy 17 күн бұрын

Most of his "mistakes" are just out of date/generalized, not flat out wrong. Yeah, they could've gotten somebody more up-to-date, but they probably liked his stories about the seedy '80s. Nothing wrong with adding a little jazz.

@brandenleshock9934 24 күн бұрын

Where did you find this guy? He doesn’t know basic terminology. Rolex if you are using him to find fakes, teach him basic terms and explain the “crown” is a coronet. Also folks take 98% of what he told you and forget about it

@Nathanielcameron 4 күн бұрын

Seeing as I dont know who you are but I was able to Google this guy and all you have is an annoying YT comment, I think I'll be fine.

@edblair5253 25 күн бұрын

Louise Vitton watches? This guy says things that are not consistent with a professional person in the business.

@johnnyhock 11 күн бұрын

The SuperClone factories in China do not use “child slave labour” 😂😂 They use master craftsmen. These things are 1:1 perfect replicas. They are even cloning the movements

@jonsaucier740 12 күн бұрын

When he said crown on the face but not the dial I knew he had no idea what he was talking about

@francescobaruffi999 25 күн бұрын

Nice necklace, bro

@mason96575 25 күн бұрын

Lmao

@guinness336 25 күн бұрын

So this guy said when he was 14 he was walking around with a replica Rolex and to this day probably still can’t afford a gen.

@romans7177 12 күн бұрын

10:54 Busts illegal watch rings, gets a free fake watch from his father. "Rules for thee not for me"

@paulbonaventura4969 25 күн бұрын

*Nico has entered the chat*

@edgarallanpoet 24 күн бұрын

Couldn't hit water if he fell out out of a boat...

@NotAWatchSnob 25 күн бұрын

"Super clone" it's called not epic

@desidesigning 23 күн бұрын

I had absolutely no idea about the epic fakes. Now I'll try to look harder.

@Mowntandewey 25 күн бұрын

Jerseys are the same way. Why pay 200 for one from Nike when you can buy an identical knockoff from China for 15.

@dv7768 25 күн бұрын

I would be shocked to find the products are made in the place.

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

It's all made in China anyway

@JojoJoget 21 күн бұрын

If you go to Vietnam, you’d realize they are made in the same place lmao

@lazslostpierre9951 25 күн бұрын

Lived in Shenzhen for 5 years. The big shopping center near the train station has 8 floors of copy goods, including watches. My Bleitling from those days is still working well.

@user-em8ry6wj8h 25 күн бұрын

Louhu commercial city shopping center on the Louhu/Hong Kong border lol. I pass by it everyday.

@blackdove6713 21 күн бұрын

Communism and communist countries suck

@WhatALoadOfTosca 24 күн бұрын

So sad to think this guy has been at this since 1995 and doesn’t really know what he’s talking about. How embarrassing.

@dicksonfranssen 16 күн бұрын

I once worked with a woman who had a *Swatch Watch bought in Germany* She wore it every day but we only got to see the cool things it did twice a year. I'd rather have that and four car payments than a real Rolex.

@tango_uniform 20 күн бұрын

I worked at Intel until 2007. Expensive labor drove our manufacturing to Puerto Rico, then Malaysia, then China. Chinese factories made our product legitimately during the day, then made knockoffs at night by paying the police to stay away. On more than one occasion, we received phone calls from US Customs in Memphis who suspected a shipment to be counterfeit. Pre-production integrated circuits was a dead giveaway. We also added features in the production printed circuit board that looked innocuous to the untrained eye. Every case was a "deal" made by a wholesaler in the gray market. Chinese steal because the rest of the world stole paper, gunpowder, and other technology without compensating them. Bribery is expected.

@fietsband08 25 күн бұрын

I paused this video before I was 2 minutes in, had the feeling this guy was full of crap. Judging from the comments, it seems indeed that this guy is full of crap.

@temasekb 25 күн бұрын

why pay so much when you can get a 95% similarity for 5% price?

@causetheplumstasteyum7848 25 күн бұрын

Could say the same thing about a lot of stuff though , look how many people have iphones , you can get a very similar smartphone for a fraction of the price that can almost do all the things the iphone can , not to mention how much they sell for an actually cost to produce , its very easy for most people to just follow whats trending and go with the same thing

@Watch_for_me 20 күн бұрын

@@causetheplumstasteyum7848 Yup. You can say the same thing about trading cards, paintings, fragrances, etc.

@madacpaul 24 күн бұрын

Vs and clean factory...are the best at the moment...

@matthewbailey6017 25 күн бұрын

The real crime is Rolex being a not for profit business, purposely keeping manufacturing low in order to boost the value.

@MrKacperk 25 күн бұрын

Watching this video wearing my VSF Rolex super clone. Loving it.

@Tz304608 25 күн бұрын

lololol just don't go skiing

@Simplesmenteantonio12 25 күн бұрын

Clean Factry here hahahaha

@bwhobackk 25 күн бұрын

Same.

@yeetsaspizzas3921 25 күн бұрын

I'll keep buying my clones thank you.

@YESITSWILL 9 күн бұрын

I have a Breitling knockoff that I paid about $30 for. I took it to two watch repair shops for a repair and neither shop would work on it because it was too expensive and they told my it needed to go back to the factory for repair. Even after I told them it was a knockoff they didn't believe me. One jeweler told me he had been in the business for 30 years and was an expert and he would know if it was a fake.

@tomh2176 23 күн бұрын

The only way to spot a high end fake is to open the back and look at the movement. Even genuine Rolexes are often not "perfect".

@MiamiMillionaire 25 күн бұрын

Funny story, my brother has an extremely rare, almost perfectly preserved Rolex and when I had to have something done on it, the woman in the store didn't believe that it was real. She called her boss who also thought it was a fake (until he ran the serial number through the computer) whereupon a big apology was made 😁

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

Where did they find this "Expert" 😂😂

@dan_nigro_327 12 күн бұрын

A franken watch is defined as a replica watch that has been modified to look authentic using authentic parts - not the other way around.

@bradleypariah 21 күн бұрын

The way to learn well hidden information online is not to ask for the information, but rather provide incorrect information, and everyone will simply correct you. Good job, everyone! I'm sure he appreciates all the tips.

@oldschool8432 25 күн бұрын

See I don't have to worry about any of this because I bought my $60 invicta straight from invicta lol

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

People hate on invicta but they are solid beater watches at a great value

@dancarthen3634 25 күн бұрын

Louis Vuitton?? 😂😂😂

@joelarnold3234 25 күн бұрын

Very interesting video! Thanks!

@Ronald-gu3ft 14 күн бұрын

All i learned from this is that the real watches are are just as criminal as the fakes.

@giuseppenasca2091 25 күн бұрын

Imagine paying X$ for a fake rolex when you can get a X$ original watch that sometimes are even better looking 💀

@vintageexcellence 25 күн бұрын

There was a guy in Chaing Mai Thailand this year that got busted by Rolex in Thailand with support of the police because he sent $5m in super fakes over to Europe. I don’t think the guy in this video was a watch expert as he doesn’t seem to know the lingo.

@markhammerschmidt5315 13 күн бұрын

The gold Rolex Datejust he’s examining at around 15 minutes into the film he claims is maybe 20 years old! But It clearly has an acrylic crystal which has a moulded cyclops and no anti reflective coating, and a Tritium dial which were no longer used after 1997 - so that watch is at least 30 -40 years old and possibly more. He assumes it’s genuine on the basis of the quality of the Rolex coronet yet could just as easily be a franken (although perhaps unlikely), and a franken watch is one that is made of a mix of parts both genuine and counterfeit, or one that is solely made from genuine parts but was never a complete watch to begin with. Bezels that are jiggly? Jeez!!

@ravibabu1441 19 күн бұрын

I thought I might learn something watching this video, and I did. I learned that my knowledge of watches is far superior to this so called expert.

@teddyjohnson284 25 күн бұрын

what about factories like VSF? This dude says the highest quality reps are $1k+ lol. I got my VSF for $350

@pierrex3226 24 күн бұрын

What's vsf?

@pauliewalnuts5241 24 күн бұрын

Why not just get a San Martin. They make homages of every style now. And you wouldn't be wearing a fake watch

@frasergouert6511 21 күн бұрын

It's a brand that makes "epic fakes"

@mr0sparkles4682 25 күн бұрын

This guy sounds like he was reading up on counterfeit watches just before this interview. Info is super basic, thinks that real rolexes are perfect. Super surface level info

@Drew-ub2qu 24 күн бұрын

"There's no mistaking a Rolex movement from a counterfeit" Yes, Rolex, the pinnacle of swiss movements lmao. What pawnshop did they get this guy from.

@MikeSunTzu 8 күн бұрын

The recent service on my Rolex was £350. No wonder people buy fakes. I could not even tell what they'd done. Sweatshops are a worldwide issue and extend to far more than watches.

@retvet 24 минут бұрын

I did this for a time when I lived in China, presented myself as a big buyer and had an interpreter who was also a investigator. He explained one part that was correct which was the raids on the sweatshops, but he never mentions the ins and outs or how it goes down. He just rambles on about stuff. There are 4 grades of counterfeit watches A-D he acts like they are all one.

@sebastianelytron8450 22 күн бұрын

Anyone care to explain to a watch noob what's so wrong about this and what's with all the hate?

@bas4241 22 күн бұрын

Because much of what this guy is saying is not true, and the terminology he is using shows that he knows very little about watches, let alone replicas!

@Kai_Peters 25 күн бұрын

I have never bought a counterfeit watch, because i don't even care what time it is

@TheAmericanDane 25 күн бұрын

I bet you’re fun at parties… hang on, you wouldn’t know what time to get there!

@causetheplumstasteyum7848 25 күн бұрын

Wise old Kai Peters , has his lunch at 5 pm , dinner at 6 in the morning , arrives to work 3 days late and missed his own grandmothers funeral by 45 minutes , i think i might not bother with time anymore either

@MrDertien 8 күн бұрын

The difference between counterfeit and authentic as far as clothes go is the fact that the label itself is also coming from -and sewed in Bangladesh, instead of the goods making a pit stop in order to sew in the 'real' French or Italian label that can be legally authenticated as such.