Congratulations in facing a common fear: criticism. We all have it. You made yourself vulnerable and that take a ton of courage. Easier to ignore the comments. I congratulations for your bravery. I enjoyed watching your process at trying to correct or improve a project. I don't have a lot of $$$ to spend on projects, and appreciated seeing how you stayed with it. Thank you for bringing us with you in this journey!

It is great to see you adressing this problem. And yes, sometimes feedback can be a little tricky, but when it is constructive, it really helps a lot

Edison kept working on his ideas for the light bulb until he found a working solution, and I'm glad to see you didn't quit. This is what makes engineering so powerful - WORKING THROUGH the design process for improvements. So nice to see you addressed the issue in a cost-effective manner, too. Well done!

It appears from your video that the tops of the legs are fully rounded. By moving the legs slightly inward you can get away with rounding only the inward corner thus having the table rest on a flat surface ( half the width of the leg ) rather than a single point. Much sturdier.

That was enjoyable to watch. Rather than just say, 'there was an issue, this is how I fixed it'. You actually showed the various things you tried (and failed) which many KZfaq channels would edit out. Very clear and concise video, good editing, no annoying background music and everything you spoke about and showed was easy to understand. You have a new subscriber! Wish you well with future videos and projects.

Hey Thomas--I've been wanting to comment on your plans for a while now, and this seems like the best time. I've purchased 4 of the 5 workshop bundle plans you offer on your Etsy site (I guess I should've just purchased your bundle option instead of buying them one at a time--who knew I would like your plans so well!) and every one of them have been winners, as far as I'm concerned. Your plans are well-produced by whatever app you use for your measured drawings, and your comprehensive step-by-step narratives make them superior to those of most other competitors I've ever purchased and tried to use. The Folding Workbench is the first of your projects that I've built and to be honest, I have no idea what wobble the naysayers are referring to, as I've experienced nothing but sturdy, solid performance from mine. Granted, I made mine slightly longer and wider and decided to use different casters on the legs, but your general design was preserved, and I think it is a tank and will serve me well for years to come! Keep your chin up, grow from any constructive criticism your receive and just disregard the rude trolls out there who never seem to have the nerve, motivation or ability to put themselves out there and produce anything themselves. Oh yeah, and get busy and create some more projects for me to build!

Good on ya for taking the constructive criticism on the chin and solving the problem. Also, showing your failures along the way helps the rest of us mere mortals that not everything on KZfaq is perfect and easy. I have videos on my channel where I fit parts to my motorbike and I show all the problems along the way as well, and I get comments thanking me for my honesty. When I watch other more popular motorbike channels doing the same job, I can see the sneaky edits where they cut out all the knuckle scraping and swearing. There's nothing more demoralizing for people than when they try to do something they've seen on KZfaq and it doesn't go as smoothly as the guy in the video does it. It's a thumbs up and a subscribe from me. 👍

Good job. We all make mistakes. Showing mistakes, or design flaws, and how to avoid or fix them is often more informative than videos which show only everything done perfectly. Thanks.

ok... I tried not to laugh, but I loved the sheer honesty of your narrative. I love to see videos of "failure" and owning up to the struggle, and the pursuit of getting it right. It demonstrates true humanity, and not an edited version of self that is always pursuing the applause of strangers. Good job, brother.... keep it up! Greg (garden grove, CA)

I've just come across one of your 'Shorts' "I Can't Believe More People Don't Have THIS", which I don't normally view as MOST of them lack the detail/information that I'm looking for, and I was so impressed that I've subscribed to your channel, sir, and I've requested to be notified whenever you upload a new video. (I can see that you've uploaded quite a few videos, and I WILL get round to viewing them.) One thing that particularly impressed me, sir, is that once you'd received a 1 star review on a purchased plan for the workbench, you didn't immediately jump to a defensive stance but took time to think about how you could improve matters. To me, that says more about you as a person. 👍 I agree with you, sir, that constructive criticism SHOULD be favoured [favored, for you, my brother, as you're American] over simply people not even considering what you've gone through to develop a product/build, and simply 'throwing out' negative comments. Long may you thrive, sir. 👍♥

Yes! When I watched the first video, I wondered why you didn't cross-brace. I'm glad you were able to figure it out and share your results. 👍🏾

I thought this idea was genius when I saw the first video. Sorry you had some negativity going on after, but the end result looks like a success. Kudos!

Haters will always hate bro, so give them the value they deserve. If they are respectful and kind great, If they just slam you, water on a suck. Great explanations, real solutions. Great job!!!

Yes sir, love the honesty of your video. I’m looking to make something similar for doing automotive bench top work. Triangles are definitely your friend when it comes to bracing and strength. I’ll likely make mine with 4x4 legs. Keep up the great work!

I love your videos and I think your work is great! I wish the world had more “kind” people!

Thanks for taking the time to admit there was a mistake and then show how to fix it! 👍👍 Interesting, I built a similar work table, but I don’t seem to have that issue. Not sure what I did differently.

Thanks for the update! I just built the workbench last weekend and been in the middle of troubleshooting the wobble.

I'm so glad I checked in on this! I loved the design and am ready to build one. So I'm glad to know about the cross-brace! I learn so much when I'm watching someone else LEARN, not be perfect. Keep it up - you're awesome!

I subscribed. Your channel is the first one I've seen that features a small workspace and I love the folding work table despite the flaws. It's the design that counts, one that addresses small workshops. I like the flip cabinet also. Thanks for the inspiration!

Thank you for making this video! It’s heartening to see others run into similar issues and evolving their designs.

Thanks so much for posting this improvement! I purchased your plans long ago, and this video makes me an even more satisfied customer. I'll be back!

Thanks for the follow up video. I've had this exact design on my to do list for a while now and was thinking about starting soon. I appreciate your transparency in trying to make it better.

Triangles do work, discovered this back in the 1970’s when making legs for my Model Railway portable layout using folding triangles to keep the 2 legs upright. Ok I was not using them for a workbench but the boards were pretty stable. Glad you discovered the solution for your bench. Challenge now is to make it so that you do not need to unscrew the bolts to take the triangle off the legs! Bit of a clue, 2 off length triangles that couple to the centre if the bench.

It's simple to correct this, and cheap. People are just lazy online. Thanks for doing the work.

Good job, you didn't give until you solved the issue. I don't have a shop full of fancy tools either. We make due. I greatly appreciate your videos.

Thanks for the bench fix and humbleness, keep up the good work

Nice workbench and video! I liked how you methodically worked through finding a fix for the wobble. I’ve subscribed.

Great video. It is helpful to see the creative process. The first half of this video is a study of how parallelograms work. It doesn’t matter how many beams you add, the parallelogram will still act like a parallelogram. As you found out, one cross brace can fix a lot. Two, making an X, will do even more.

Congratulations! Nice fix!

Just curious when you folded the work bench onto the wall where was the angled piece of 2 X 4, and does it have to be removed each time if that is what you did. Thank you for sharing your truthful experiences.

Glad I watched this before building mine!

That’s how we all learn. Most people just don’t post about their mistakes, that’s why your video is important! 2 things I may suggest: Take away the middle beam and see if the table stays sturdy enough. Only thing I see could happen is that the legs without the diagonal between them could flex. That only happens when you put force at the ends of the legs which normally won’t happen during working on the top of the bench. Second thing is: in my opinion the bolts of the diagonal beam should be always fixed on the legs, also when the diagonal beam is dismounted. That way you don’t need hold the beam in place exactly where the holes line up while putting the bolt through the hole. You just stick the beam onto the bolts and after that apply the nuts. Wing nuts are perfect there because in that spot it’s less about torque but more about the bolt not falling out.

I like your attitude and honesty thank you.

very good !! loved it

great video! I was going to start this project over the weekend so this is perfect timing. Quick question: after attaching the crossed leg with the bolt, do you have to take the bolt out every time you want to fold the workbench to the table?

Well I built my bench to your specs and turned out wonderful. no wabble. Ran all wool threw table saw 4 sides and double nuts on bolts yo keep from loosing . love it.

Я с самого начала ждал когда мастер сообразит установить раскосину. Дождался. Только не понял почему сразу так не было сделано.

very nice 🤜

Awesome 🎉 as with me I do make countless mistakes and changes to my design but with many hours lol I always end up with something that works

I had the same issue . I used D rings and one ratchet strap at 45 degrees on each sides.

Well done Thomas.

Funny video. Enjoyed it.

So geht man mit Kritik um. Sehr guter Kanal. Deine Videos sehen ich mir gerne an. Grüße aus Deutschland!

Nice quick, cost effective fix. I wish I had the wall space to build one.

keep up the good work as long your enjoyin what your doin and open always in a suggestion you can do it!!!

Welldone Engineer 👌💐🏆

Like your comedy dude, keep on trucking!

My only beef with your solution is it makes the setup and teardown much less convenient. Something that can fold up like the legs would be better. How about something that hinged off the center table stretcher that could pivot down and connect to the lower leg stretcher? I have a table like this and will give it a try

I like this idea. I want to make one the width of the inside of my minivan. I can use it as a shelf for lighter, long tools that I need easy access to. I can put a channel rail on both sides of the van above my heavy power tools. I can then have extended bolts on the table slide through the rails. This will give me easily removable shelf storage for my van and a worktable for my jobsite. Maybe I can build a ripfence for it, add a few dog holes and dovetail tracks for flush clamps, make a notch plate to undermount a circular saw, jigsaw, and router... Crap. This won't be light enough to carry over my shoulder. Maybe I should just make a worktop and screw it down onto folding sawhorses or something.

Thanks for the video and the wobble solution. I'm getting ready to make one of these for my garage. What was the approximate cost, all in?

I'm actually planning on building a fold away bench similar to this for my tiny shop in the near future. I wonder how difficult it would be to add that cross brace in such a way that you could more quickly and easily remove it when folding the bench up? .... hmmm

Hi Thomas. Great video. Am wondering on your thoughts on the following. Back side use a diagonal. Front edge use a very traditional English joiners bench side. Big plank, 2x12, multiple dog holes, two coach bolts with wing nuts for easy disassembly at each end, crochet at one end. Could be pretty strong I think?

Great vid and attitude, thanks for sharing ! :) i wish i could do the same work for 50 € but where i am it would cost more than 150 €... All the best ! :)

re construct your legs ( 2x4's) and turn them 90* and automatically you will get more rigidity. That is why rafter trusses are on end not on flats.

Ensure that the legs have no loose play when they are erected. Snug them right into the corners, and add drilled blocks to align the pivot bolts on both sides of the legs. Then, make your notched bar a little longer to put tension on the legs. That should solve the problem.

The problem for many with any workbench that mounts to the wall is that most of us need that wall space as well.

Yes its great space saver in garage. I will install the brace. Man you have to work on the hat. Go Astros Thank you again.

Looked at this because I need to make a similar size existing super solid rollable workbench foldable for van & I detest wobble (weight rating of wheels 1200kg 4x4 legs). Constructive? Thoughts: Single pin for leg attachment seems iffy for super heavy I want the leg to support to the top (I intend to use a hardwood spacer with pearling screws into the frame, so it is also supporting the frame firmly), I sincerely hope I can get away with large hinges routed in so they sit flush. Cross bracing (I will need to do this like it or not (not currently cross braced, its "solid") but wonder for speed could you use a sliding pin / bolt at one end and a jig at the other (probable Jig at both ends with pin lock). I've have adjustable (dont know the proper name) clamps (screw on loop & hook) which lock, I'd been thinking of using those to lock the legs out against the frame (90% a fail due to flex in hinge etc..) but even so they're great for tightening things down and quick release. My big issue is weight.. it's a heavy table especially with super heavy castors etc.. Worth noting I have a wood vice (2nd in line coming soon) at one end & my top is sacrificial so the frame must be stand alone. All in all, loved the vid & comments looks like a nice workbench (but I think the single pin leg is a definite weakness which could be strengthened by either my experimental hinge system or fixing at both ends). I can rip a full sheet of board on my worktop (TS55, love it). Large metalwork vice clamps solidly via 3 hole & board system to other end.

I need to make one of those for my shed have same problem with space, I like watching your video's bud if I can't think of away around a prop I'll look it up on someone else's channel, I had to shutdown my own channel's got copyrighted over using wrong music unfortunately I thought I had backed up everything went ahead deleting all videos from my 2 channels only to find out I had not backed them up waste of money and time I'll start one of them back up again soon for now I'm watching your videos pal

I built a set of sawhorses and never could get them to sit flat. I learned something! Somethings are harder to do. Even the "wooden"sawhorses at the big box stores pre made don't completely sit flat.

Hi Thomas, I have a question. Does that new bolted 2x4 have to be removed every time you reinstall the table to the wall mount? It seems that you wouldn’t be able to fold the legs in. If so, Is there a design with the angled 2x4, where it doesn’t need to be removed and reattached before and after every use? Thanks!

Some time ago I made a table for a client and I solved that problem with a diagonal leg that goes from the union of the legs to the table. Something like the one that folding tables have.

I’m just confused, how are you supposed to put on the diagonal brace when it’s stored on the wall?

Did you try having the removeable center brace be wider so that it actually applies outward pressure on the legs and maybe stiffens the structure.

I would have made a rotating peg kinda thing instead, and a indentation for it to slide into, or a 3D printed or wooden attachment for it to slide into and block movement. Is that not enough? I feel like the extra piece you made here solved your issue but also makes it more of a hassle to work with the table, sadly. But if you don't have to put it up often, it's ok.

Great solution! I'm curious how this could be applied in a way for even easier, quicker removal and install.

I love the uodated design, but now you have to get tools out to put up and take down the table. There has to be a way to integrate the hardware or make it toolless ! 🤔

Don’t you have to unbolt the cross member every time you fold the bench?

Great fix, but in the interest of parsimony, is the bottom flat strut necessary anymore now that it has a cross strut?

Could you not hinge supports from the center brace out to the legs to make it less to take apart and easier to store. Would still give triangulation?

The solution is great, though I now would like to know if you have to attatch the diagonal with screws and bolts every time.

What about a simple rope attached to a nail in both corners? It would be much easier to store and reduce your 2 by 4 count.

the cross brace has to be unscrewed and rescrewed each time tho, no?

How did you fasten the cross brace so it could be removed to still hang the table on the wall, please?

Where did you get the casters?

This is the way the Wright Brothers built their first airplane.

So I have a question. Does this design work if you need to make it larger? Specifically 6' x 4'???

Just an idea not sure if it would work, maybe a gas spring shock, like what they have on car hoods and suv trunks.

2:47 , im gonna go out on a limb and say , have a radius on half of the leg top and extend the bottom horizontal brace to tension the legs ...

Wait, what is the point of the wheels if it's mounted permanently?

The real problem with these foldable-bench-up-on-wall benches is that they take up a ton of usable wall space. Might as well fold it and leave it on the floor against the wall.

That's a fundamental concept of all construction, rectangles shift, triangles don't.

Why not cut your radiation on just the inter side of leg tops to where when opened they would be solid braced against the outside table frame making it tight when the removable lower brace was put in place. ???

Aluminum adjustable legs > Wood

Folding cross braces

I have one suggestion for you. Try to shorten this video as much as possible and see what you can accomplish. Apply the results to one of your next videos. Say the bare minimum without skimping on clarity of explanation. Keep up the good work. I like that you wanted to do this cheaply. Helps other DIYers for sure!

Can see the problem is under the top,not bottom of legs.

Physics!!

I don't understand the point of the shade being thrown at Drew Wit (whoever he is) randomly in the middle of the video. It wasn't even topical, just seemed petty. Anyway, it's commendable that you actually took the criticism and did something constructive with it. There are a lot of people out there who simply don't have that capability.

John Stamos!!!!

Keep cost down return Wingnuts and stop planing all the wood, and return ur friends chop saw

Guess you never heard about screws

Ironic/incorrect t-shirt @ 4:34: "Everyday" means ordinary, whereas "every day" means each single day.

Nice fix. And thanks for telling us how cheaply made your videos are. I do find it a guilty pleasure to watch you guys though, because I was berated throughout my apprenticeship until I became proficient. So, if you think you don't like comments on KZfaq, be glad you didn't grow up under the tutelage of WWII vets on a jobsite.

Honestly, the constant complaining about other KZfaqrs is tacky. Maybe that's why you're not getting the views you want. Woodworkers especially don't care about how much money you spend. We just like watching good building.

I see your channel is relatively new, so here's one piece of advice: you have to grow a thicker skin. I don't mean it as an insult, you'll encounter nasty trolls through your online career, and if you let them get to you, they'll just double down.

$19 for plans Wow hope.thats for you building it also. Don't take advantage of your subscribers. For this I'm out. Hope you reevaluate your strategy