Throne of Eldraine Limited Review: Multi-Colored, Colorless, and Lands

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@Mwarrior1991
@Mwarrior1991 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm giving oko a B" -Famous last words
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he is more like am A- in Limited. I dont think I was THAT wrong. Course, I would not havw guessed he would be as good as he is in constructed either
@michaelmolzan3001
@michaelmolzan3001 4 жыл бұрын
Jousting dummy is also a non-human. Not that it makes him great, but it is something that makes him a bit better. Means he goes in knights, artifacts and enhantments, nd non-human if that's a thing you're going for.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
True
@liemsolow3697
@liemsolow3697 4 жыл бұрын
I really like the flavor of Spinning Wheel. Tapping for mana represents Rumpelstiltskin, spinning straw into gold, while the tap ability represents Sleeping Beauty being put to sleep when she pricked her finger
@LightningStryke27
@LightningStryke27 4 жыл бұрын
I think the ideal scenario for weapon rack is animating it into a 7/7 creature.
@bigjennifergarner
@bigjennifergarner 4 жыл бұрын
I freaking love these videos. I always fall into traps, but you point out in one or two sentences why it's not as good as it looks, and I almost always agree. And every time I've commented my dissent, you've responded and after your further explanation I see what you're saying. I feel like these set reviews are a month of FNM's experience for me. Thank you, and never stop.
@fidly4
@fidly4 4 жыл бұрын
35:22 ish I know this is the most pedantic shit ever, but Rosethorn acolyte is kinda a pet card of mine so I feel the need to point this out: COPYING SEASONAL RITUAL ISN'T FILTERING ANOTHER MANA IT'S GAINING A FREE MANA. Casting it with lucky clover out doesn't copy the cost, it just gives you spell effect of "add a mana". It becomes an actual ritual that legitimately ramps you for a turn.
@andyspendlove1019
@andyspendlove1019 4 жыл бұрын
Came down here to say this. I think it's an important counterpoint to what Nizzahon said. Lucky Clover will often turn a mediocre or even bad Adventure into a good one, like Rosethorn Acolyte's. Or imagine getting 6 2/2 bears for 7 mana (9 if you want to count the Clover) with the Flaxen Intruder Adventure. It definitely seems like a huge payoff if you get there with Adventures!
@Eric_The_Cleric
@Eric_The_Cleric 4 жыл бұрын
Lucky Clover + Acolyte Ramp into big boi Beanstalk Giant was godsend to me for the past couple of months playing draft with GW Adventures when I decided to play the archetype. Wandermare and Garenbrig Squire had NOTHING on the ramp potential. If you played Lucky Clover (or god forbid 2) even with few adventures you got plenty of value. Clover was a bit of a hidden gem in this set's limited for sure, and I only say that because people didn't seem to want to pick it other than me, yet it helped me win games at least a few times.
@timrichards8418
@timrichards8418 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for yet another great set review! Your channel is among those that help make Pre-release seasons my favourite times of the year. I'm really looking forward to the Pre-releases this weekend (I'm doing 4 inc. 2HG), and I'm also looking forward to your archetype guide too! Thanks!
@timrichards8418
@timrichards8418 4 жыл бұрын
P.s. I tried a fun bird collecting boardgame yesterday called Wingspan. It has beautiful art as well as some stats and info about the birds - I think you would like it!
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
I have heard of it and been meaning to get it
@brandoncampbell1537
@brandoncampbell1537 4 жыл бұрын
Nizzahon tried to cheat in a video, but my instant notification spell countered the surprise.
@timmyczajkowski4528
@timmyczajkowski4528 4 жыл бұрын
This set is going to be so fun with two headed giant sealed
@GussR9
@GussR9 4 жыл бұрын
Really awesome super informative. Thanks for the video's, just started following your channel and I really enjoy it sir. Really well done videos. I will definitely be sticking around.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@EloquentTroll
@EloquentTroll 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's necessarily enough to move a grade on anything, but colorless artifacts pick up a little extra value in a set that supports mono-color limited decks like Eldraine. It's not just WU decks that want them, if I'm drafting mono black and there isn't a good black card in a pack taking an artifact is a good idea, rather than a blue card I won't use.
@nlb137
@nlb137 4 жыл бұрын
Weapon rack should have gotten an extra counter each time you played an equipment. That might have given it long-term power in a deck with multiple equipments. Or make it reduce equip costs by 1 (min 1) for immediate power. Probably better, but less 'cool'.
@captainshiner42
@captainshiner42 4 жыл бұрын
Weapon Rack is basically an inverted version of Serrated Arrows.
@ultimateo621
@ultimateo621 4 жыл бұрын
I think improbable alliance is at least a B- to B+ definitely not C+. It doesn’t effect the board state immediately but it does over the course of the game.
@KryptaKnight777
@KryptaKnight777 4 жыл бұрын
How about that "Mystic Sanctuary"? Best common land of the five? Best common in the whole set maybe??
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely not the best common in the set. But, could definitely be the best one in the cycle.
@EloquentTroll
@EloquentTroll 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it the best of the cycle for limited, but probably the best for constructed. I am definitely putting it in my Baral commander deck, and I see it getting some standard play.
@liemsolow3697
@liemsolow3697 4 жыл бұрын
It will see play in every constructed format, due to its low risk, but high reward. Worst case, it comes in tapped, and does nothing. Best case, you can fetch it at the end your opponent's turn, return something like Terminus from your yard to the top, then Miricale it on your draw
@andresabastante9539
@andresabastante9539 4 жыл бұрын
@@liemsolow3697 lol what? How often do you have 5 islands in legacy? And in vintage? How about CMD? Even in modern it's really hard to accomplish.
@liemsolow3697
@liemsolow3697 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresabastante9539 1st: Duals, Shocks, Cycle Lands, and Fast Lands are all islands. 2nd: It only needs 3 others, not 5 3rd: I'd say very frequently, since blue is the most powerful color in the non-rotating formats
@elvisthao9161
@elvisthao9161 4 жыл бұрын
Completely irrelevant to Limited, maybe, but I think the Kenrith siblings sharing one spark canonically kinda hurt their play-ability in this set. I think, based on their powers, they could actually be really good Planeswalkers if they were separate cards instead of limiting what they could do to one card that is a hybrid of their combined strength. Also, imagine if Weapon Rack was just a colorless Stoneforge Mystic, but you pay and tap to search, and it exiles the equipment and you had to pay a decent cost and tap to put the equipment on the battlefield.
@SR-di7ox
@SR-di7ox 4 жыл бұрын
Spyglass is strictly a silver bullet sideboard card once you've seen that your opponent has a Planeswalker or some other extremely powerful ability. It's also a decent $ value pick
@robertahearne423
@robertahearne423 4 жыл бұрын
+1. Nizzahon seemed to be saying that the card you name has to be in the opponent's hand when you look at it. That's not the case. You can name any card. In addition to nerfing Planeswalkers, this makes Lochmere Serpent beatable (for example).
@SR-di7ox
@SR-di7ox 4 жыл бұрын
Spyglass is a sideboard only card in draft, so you don't really take it highly. However it's just as good as any conditional removal spell out of the board. Treat it more like Plummet or Naturalize. You're never going to see it late pack though, which is where you should be taking cards like that, because it has real value in constructed.
@robertahearne423
@robertahearne423 4 жыл бұрын
@@SR-di7ox Yep - Definitely sideboard.
@raynmanshorts9275
@raynmanshorts9275 4 жыл бұрын
I think Crashing Drawbridge would be good in Simic ramp. Defensive early game while you ramp into your big stuff and offensive later on when your big stuff can swing for massive damage.
@kokkorohime9525
@kokkorohime9525 4 жыл бұрын
gingerbrute... can't be catch by creatures whitout haste... but the wall bridge give haste to all your creatures.... is this some kind of twisted Shrek 2 reference ?
@Menosh
@Menosh 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, you're thinking about Escape to the Wilds wrong. I feel like a common play pattern with it would be "play a fifth land, cast Escape, hit 3 spells and 2 lands, use the extra land drop to play 1 land, then next turn play the other land then then cast 2 or 3 of the spells you hit". In that case, it's felt a LOT like a 5 Mana "draw 4-5, play an extra land this turn". Given Urban Evolution only drew you 3 cards but is decent, Escape to the Wilds seems pretty great. Certainly a fantastic topdeck.
@garyg.1979
@garyg.1979 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. It's a weird card but I think most times you're happy with the results.
@user-hh8bx6dc7q
@user-hh8bx6dc7q 4 жыл бұрын
You seem to be missing the fact that Escape to the Wild allows you to play exiled lands. That means that if you exile two lands and one playable spell this is 5 mana draw 3 already. The ceiling is much higher, since you can play up to 3 exiled lands and playing 2 spells isn't that unlikely either.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, didnt miss it.
@andrewamann8855
@andrewamann8855 4 жыл бұрын
Silly observation: "Food" is now a creature type... And is in green... Food Fight deck?
@karinawestmoreland8268
@karinawestmoreland8268 4 жыл бұрын
Food is an artifact type, not creature type.
@andrewamann8855
@andrewamann8855 4 жыл бұрын
@@karinawestmoreland8268 well, that's supremely lame... And here I was hoping to make some weird-ass changeling interactions. Oh well, back to tweaking my Kadena EDH deck... "No, boo... NAGA Oda."
@eduardovieira-3774
@eduardovieira-3774 4 жыл бұрын
@@karinawestmoreland8268 there is an artifact creature that ia a food golem. it is food and creature. thats enough to me
@liemsolow3697
@liemsolow3697 4 жыл бұрын
@@eduardovieira-3774 Yes, Gingerbrute is a "Food Golem" which means all Changlelings are also "Food" creatures
@D2RCR
@D2RCR 4 жыл бұрын
Food is not a creature type. See the release notes for more information, but think of Dryad Arbor, which is a Land Creature - Forest Dryad. Forest is a land type and Dryad is a creature type. Forest is never a creature type and neither is Food.
@chrishohl6141
@chrishohl6141 4 жыл бұрын
I think people are underrating Doom Foretold hard in limited, and don't understand the card. Look the floor here is 2WB - target player sacrifices a non-land/non-token (token is important here) permanent. That's not abjectly terrible in and of itself, although possibly overcosted for that specific effect. The ceiling here however, is quite good and even if you don't hit the perfect ceiling, there are still plenty of scenarios where this card gains value. The fact that you "can" (and have to) sacrifice Doom Foretold should be noted as not necessarily a bad thing. Being able to just play it and kill your opponents one big thing if they have a small boardstate is nice, and you don't have to go and sacrifice the rest of your board if you don't want to. Also, if you play this when the opponent doesn't have any permanents out, it reads as 2WB - target opponent loses 2 life, you draw a card, you gain 2 life, and you create a 2/2 white knight vig token, which is also a nice modality to the card. It's also worth noting that if your opponent has a bigger boardstate, it by no means makes this card "bad". As long as you construct your deck to handle the "edict per turn" better then theirs (which I'd assume you would do if you draft it), it can just completely dominate a game.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Well put. You could definitely be right.
@Eric_The_Cleric
@Eric_The_Cleric 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you have been able to draft Doom Foretold since ToE's release since it's secretly a great card. When I drafted it, it actually won me a game or two alone. Once it almost won me two in a row if my opponent and I didn't go to time. Worst case scenario, you hit your turn and only have Doom Foretold on the field, most likely having already gotten rid of your opponent's best stuff. In that case it reads "you lose no life, discard then draw a card, and put a 2/2 Knight with Vigilance onto the battlefield. Then sac Doom Foretold." Even at that point, you should already be playing control and have at least one decent way of putting away anything your opponents deem necessary to play. Normally, however, you get rid of their best stuff, get a Knight, draw a card, drain them for 2, and gain 2 yourself. It puts you at a 4 point life disparity between you and your opponent and puts a boy on the field to boot. It also makes them get rid of a card they may have been holding and gives you a chance to to draw into gas. Honestly, I think Nizzahon just read the card wrong, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
@irou95
@irou95 4 жыл бұрын
I think the big devotion hybrid cards are the singpost uncommons in this set. Plus most importantly in addition to the adamant mechanic if you go monocolor there are FOUR (4) possible hybrid cards you can play I think that is a big reason to go monocolored because having access to 4 different good uncommons that most people won't pick is great
@herringway434
@herringway434 4 жыл бұрын
The signposts are the gold cards (Shine Chaser, Improbable Alliance etc.) and typically act as more of a payoff for that archetype. The hybrids are more of enablers for those archetypes (Arcanist's Owl, Loch Dragon etc.).
@cutecommie
@cutecommie 4 жыл бұрын
@@herringway434 For the UG ramp deck, it's the other way around.
@herringway434
@herringway434 4 жыл бұрын
@@cutecommie Yeah, it's not that consistent. BG is also weird cause both Savy Hunter and Deathless Knight are payoffs but most of them are how I described.
@jugglerfox
@jugglerfox 4 жыл бұрын
I think the banner will be dummy good :>)
@ultimateo621
@ultimateo621 4 жыл бұрын
I think Oko is significantly better than a B- maybe a B+, he just comes down so early and with so much loyalty that by the time there are creatures in play that can even threaten him, you’ll have enough 3/3s to kinda not care.
@mightyowl1252
@mightyowl1252 4 жыл бұрын
I think he’s simply an A. If he comes down turn 3 it’s gg. Even in the late game his + abilities are useful. Also if you already have a food token he can just turn it into a 3/3.
@Eric_The_Cleric
@Eric_The_Cleric 4 жыл бұрын
You mean their board will all be 3/3s and you have an unaffected board? :p
@naamakers8026
@naamakers8026 4 жыл бұрын
Weapon Rack is a call back to Serrated Arrows, I personally like the nostalgic design even tho it's probably not that good of a card. That explains the reason why there's no equipment synergy.
@ghostofkrows
@ghostofkrows 4 жыл бұрын
Right on about that Weapon Rack.
@Bartleby1892
@Bartleby1892 4 жыл бұрын
Weapon Rack should've created +1/+1 equipment tokens instead of counters. Wouldn't be great but better and more flavourful.
@lahpetsoj
@lahpetsoj 4 жыл бұрын
Two in one day? Niceeeee
@cinderheart2720
@cinderheart2720 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that Deathless Knight can be a mono-green skeleton feels like a flavour break to me.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
He is technically never mono green.
@99JDT
@99JDT 4 жыл бұрын
>Sees Thunderous Snapper Oh neat >Turtle Hydra ...possible draw engine for Green Hydra Commander, eh?
@karinawestmoreland8268
@karinawestmoreland8268 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta have blue in your deck too, and let’s be honest here, Simic has insane draw power already
@99JDT
@99JDT 4 жыл бұрын
@@karinawestmoreland8268 not really. A commander deck based on Hydras is Green so this being Simic Green/Blue means I can just use Green to cast it.
@jonathangalbraith2467
@jonathangalbraith2467 4 жыл бұрын
99JDT commander decks require all cards to be exactly within their color range. No hybrids that have an extra color
@99JDT
@99JDT 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonathangalbraith2467 oh. Welp, ignore silly old me then.
@explosionpills
@explosionpills 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe dumb question but are the brawl commanders not included in the limited set?
@tobiasazpia
@tobiasazpia 4 жыл бұрын
They are not included, and neither are some other cards in those pre constructed decks. They are legal in standard though, but you wont open them in packs.
@MalaciTheNinja
@MalaciTheNinja 4 жыл бұрын
Golden Egg definitely rates slightly higher than normal because the mana filtering also helps you trigger adamant. Between counting as an artifact AND food for other cards, fixing mana, triggering adamant, drawing cards and gaining life, it has a stupid amount of play on it for a durdly common.
@MalaciTheNinja
@MalaciTheNinja 4 жыл бұрын
Plus colorless cards are stronger in this set than usual. With such a de-emphasis on multicolor, the extra consistency in colorless cards is serious upside. Half my prerelease deck was colorless, and while I gave up power that way, I stole a few games by just being able to cast my cards while both my opponent and myself were struggling to find our colors.
@MalaciTheNinja
@MalaciTheNinja 4 жыл бұрын
Scalding Cauldron is also probably a C+. The fact that its 1 to cast and 3 to proc means you can effectively split the cost between turns early, and 4 mana in the stalled out late game is easy to get. Plus this type of card did 2 before, but 3 is a big big upgrade. Kills a LOT more that way.
@Lennert102
@Lennert102 4 жыл бұрын
Doom foretold isn't symmetrical right? Even if you cant sacrifice you still get the card and the knight.
@guernzgames338
@guernzgames338 4 жыл бұрын
Lennert Schavemaker well yes and no. The card will never allow your opponent to draw the card and get a knight however if you have nothing to sacrifice you have to sacrifice doom foretold which makes you lose the draw and knight
@fidly4
@fidly4 4 жыл бұрын
As long as you have Doom Foretold you won't fail to sacrifice, because you will be forced to sacrifice doom foretold. If you run out of things first you have to sac it for no value instead of for a card and a knight.
@futurez14
@futurez14 4 жыл бұрын
thaaanks!
@cutecommie
@cutecommie 4 жыл бұрын
Why is Fabled Passage gold and Evolving Wilds grey???
@MineRoyale.
@MineRoyale. 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, they're both colourless ;). I think it's just a newer design thing, as prismatic vista is gold as well.
@MrPringleson
@MrPringleson 4 жыл бұрын
Steelclaw lance you said cost BG, not BR. just fyi
@JaquesZerau
@JaquesZerau 4 жыл бұрын
Really confused as to why Vantress isn't at least a B- when you put Lochtwain at a B. In a deck of 40% lands, scry 2 is so close to draw 1 since it lets you ditch the lands that would be dead draws off Lochtwain. I don't think it's more than half a letter grade worse than draw 1, and spending 1 more mana on it to not lose 1-2 life each activation seems like an even trade. Each time you could've played a card with that 1 extra mana I'm sure you'll have a game where you clutch it out at 4 life where Lochtwain would have killed you by then. Not arguing with Lochtwain at B, but I do feel you're selling Vantress short.
@Ensivion
@Ensivion 4 жыл бұрын
Im disappointed that Witch's Cottage wasn't name Ogre's Cottage and there be a donkey in the background with the flavor text: Out me swamp.
@Badassest
@Badassest 2 жыл бұрын
2022 and oko is still banned, ive built 6 decks around all that glitters, lucky clover was better than it seemed. I built a pure eldraine winter adventure deck that is not strong but can still kill oppenents who arent ready for it and covetous urge is in my opinion a very good card. Its interesting to see reviews long after a set has been out and cycled out. If you only knew what the meta is getting with capenna when eldraine was coming out you would laugh! How things have changed lol.
@mekhihernandez4478
@mekhihernandez4478 4 жыл бұрын
A black and a green for steelclaw Lance? You sure about that?
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
You really want to post a nitpicky comment? You sure about that?
@mekhihernandez4478
@mekhihernandez4478 4 жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic sorry. I was joking. I just realized that tones of speech can't go through the phone
@mekhihernandez4478
@mekhihernandez4478 4 жыл бұрын
I am literally in high school. I don't want to offend you. I love your videos and I have watched every single limited set review for the past three sets I think.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
@@mekhihernandez4478 Haha I am not offended, you are right that a joke doesn't come through well on comments
@123silverslash
@123silverslash 4 жыл бұрын
I think your imagination with Sorcerous Spyglass is a little low. Even in limited where people aren't highly optimizing their deck and their strats are kind of haphazardly thrown around, a card that basically just says "any tap ability from a specific card is unusable" for 2 mana is pretty decent, since the card doesn't specify that it has to be a card in their hand. It's basically an inverted pacifism, except it can hit more than one card, and lasts potentially the rest of the game. Yes it will always be more useful in constructed where you can see they're playing simic and you can just name their adapt bomb, but the card is definitely worth it in any kind of deck that wants artifacts.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Cards like that are always Fs in Limited. They aren't worth a card. Turning off an activated ability of one specific card and nothing else is a waste, and always will be
@cspeeds96
@cspeeds96 4 жыл бұрын
Woooo
@Orelusz
@Orelusz 4 жыл бұрын
oko a B?! he is just too powerful in any limited format, his +1 shuts down huge creatures or can activate your own food tokens to creatures. Is more than a B
@MrPluron7
@MrPluron7 4 жыл бұрын
Why aren't the Castles legendary?
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
I know, bothers me to. They have shown us lots of lands that should be legendary over the years because they are unique locations, but they seem to shy away from it.
@timmaximilian9286
@timmaximilian9286 4 жыл бұрын
i think you forgot banish into fable
@D2RCR
@D2RCR 4 жыл бұрын
Banish into Fable isn’t in draft boosters.
@golgariguy
@golgariguy 4 жыл бұрын
So... All changelings are now food.
@D2RCR
@D2RCR 4 жыл бұрын
They’re not, actually.
@golgariguy
@golgariguy 4 жыл бұрын
@@D2RCR Oh, I see. Gingerbrute made me think they were :/
@GrendelNin
@GrendelNin 4 жыл бұрын
Wait...you did not rate the basic lands.
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
Lawl
@Eric_The_Cleric
@Eric_The_Cleric 4 жыл бұрын
Basic Island is the best card you cannot prove to me otherwise.
@shanefarmer3857
@shanefarmer3857 4 жыл бұрын
First ever first! Love this set. So much flavor. My boy is finally back speaking to the wilds!
@craighudy4196
@craighudy4196 4 жыл бұрын
yo the royal scions have another plus 1 ability ... that is good... not even a comment about it... there's no use case on any board state where +2/0 first strike and trample is useful? How do you say 'read teh whole card' in Hebrew?
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
That ability is fine, but it doesn't protect them at all, and is useful far less often than looting. It is considered in their grade, I just didn't go deep on it. Also, way to be a jackass about Hebrew. Reflects well upon you.
@SR-di7ox
@SR-di7ox 4 жыл бұрын
Castle Garrenbrig is almost completely useless. It ramps you 1 Mana and it MUST be used on creatures
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, still a way better Forest.
@cutecommie
@cutecommie 4 жыл бұрын
@@NizzahonMagic Except when you need three forests for the common land, it doesn't count as one.
@AofD23
@AofD23 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it does
@karinawestmoreland8268
@karinawestmoreland8268 4 жыл бұрын
Samuel Miday The Castle cycle do not have land types, so it doesn’t count
@SR-di7ox
@SR-di7ox 4 жыл бұрын
It's not a better Forest because it's not a Forest, it makes you pay 5 Mana to generate 6 which can only be used conditionally. Is also comes in to play taped turn 1-? If you don't already have a Forest. The only really good ones are the black and blue, possibly worth a first pick. White is almost Adanto, the First Fort, pick 2 worthy and red is playable, only if you know you are very red
@giladu.6551
@giladu.6551 4 жыл бұрын
Do you speak Hebrew?
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
כן.
@irou95
@irou95 4 жыл бұрын
Oko at B? Oko is a massive bomb that says "your opponent can't play creatures with power 3 or less" if the oko player plays a blocker on turn2 or has an empty board anyway you are hardlocked from playing almost for many turns Think about it like this you go second play turn1 land turn2 a random bear your opponent plays turn2 a 1/3 vanilla and turn3 oko and plus makes a food At this point you can't play any creatures that have power 3 or less or you just lose the game on the spot. They untap and go to turn4 with all their mana up your 3drop and their original 2drop AND THE OKO IS STILL ON THE FIELD WITH 3 LOYALITY ALREADY
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
This sounds hyperbolic, to say the least.
@Reinreith
@Reinreith 4 жыл бұрын
It takes you 3 turns to get to his ultimate without killing him after using it, what the hell are you talking about
@irou95
@irou95 4 жыл бұрын
@@Reinreith How? Turn3 you play him and plus2 and he is at 6 then on turn4 you steal your opponents creature on the -5 and oko is at 1 loyality and you still have 4 mana to work with. And your opponent is down a creature and you have their as a blocker. I don't see anyone recovering from that
@NizzahonMagic
@NizzahonMagic 4 жыл бұрын
@@irou95 The situation you are describing is the ideal one. It isn't going to play out that way 100 percent of the time, or even 50. When one evaluates cards, you have to consider all situations and think of what the average will be - not just the best scenario
@Blackvolttage
@Blackvolttage 4 жыл бұрын
What i feel people are trying to say is: in a fourty card deck, you are very unlikely to find him on your open hand or your first 11 cards or so (and having a decent hand also). Say you both are playing on curve and oko shows up on turn 6 when you trade some stuff and now bothhave close to 1 2/2 2 3/3 and one stronger creature, say, a 5/5. Oko is still good. it will give you value, yet, it wont be "dont play creatures 3 or smaller", I feel you can go on a B+ (you probably still first pick him in the majority of packs, yet some strong uncommons probably have a greater odd of seeing play ‐ also, dont expect him to wheel, unless its pack 3 or something, yet, realistically, people will rare draft him anyway)
@cleftboywonder
@cleftboywonder 4 жыл бұрын
One of the few times that I ever disagree with you. There is no way that I see paying 4 mana plus that land to get a 1/1token. Cant see that having value.
@Step42Hen
@Step42Hen 4 жыл бұрын
Lonewolf Jackson If you have played enough limited you would know that having a mana sink like that that, especially on a land, is invaluable and very strong, even game winning.
@cleftboywonder
@cleftboywonder 4 жыл бұрын
@@Step42Hen 5 mana for a 1/1 in this set...no way dude . I'm sorry
@Step42Hen
@Step42Hen 4 жыл бұрын
Lonewolf Jackson it costs you 0 cards to put in your deck, and is literally free because it takes up a land slot. Yes it costs mana to activate but it’s still very powerful. It may seem weak if you have not played with or against this kind of effect enough, but you will see whenever you do play against this card how strong it is. Look at legions landing, this card single handedly won against control decks for mono white in standard. They were definitely not playing it for the 1 mana 1/1 part, or the hoops to jump through to flip it. This costs 1 more to activate but you can do it right away and don’t have to play a bad 1 mana 1/1 to get to the good part.
@cleftboywonder
@cleftboywonder 4 жыл бұрын
@@Step42Hen Stop assuming that I don't play limited. I've gone 3-0 my fair amount and do aton of studying. Otherwise I wouldnt be engaged in these types of videos.
@Step42Hen
@Step42Hen 4 жыл бұрын
Lonewolf Jackson Sorry to assume, I just figured you didn’t because anyone I know who plays limited knows this is a good effect on a good card.
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