Have Man Utd actually improved under Ten Hag?
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Manchester United ended Erik ten Hag’s debut season in third place in the Premier League, up from sixth the year before. They also made the FA Cup final, and won the League Cup.
But have they actually improved? Jon Mackenzie analyses their season.
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@ishaandw 11 ай бұрын
Their 5 worst performances include a 4-0 loss against Brentford, a 6-3 loss against City and a 7-0 loss to Liverpool which is nearly 40% of the goals they have conceded.
@gk7880 11 ай бұрын
That not 5 examples
@blutbadwolf 11 ай бұрын
De Gea tax
@ishaandw 11 ай бұрын
@@gk7880 I said include
@Chackz0 11 ай бұрын
@@gk7880 he didn’t say it did? He said it included those specific games, best to read more carefully next time
@laughterclinic8934 11 ай бұрын
@@blutbadwolf de gea saved u more times than u could win a match
@rishabh3150 11 ай бұрын
Though a lot of players have improved, there's no way ten Hag can play his brand of football with players like De Gea, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Fred, Mctominey, Martial etc.. this season was purely to stabilize the club and bring defensive solidity.. barring a few anomalies, the defence has been rock solid and De Gea winninf the golden glove is proof.. if proper signings suiting ten Hag's system are made, there will be further improvement next season..
@crunch1495 11 ай бұрын
Wan bissaka doesn’t belong in that list with the others
@benedictharrison2819 11 ай бұрын
yeh but there will be the period when you transition from this stable football to the possession based football that ETH wants. Arteta had it in that period during the lockdown season and Arsenal went on an awful run. It's whether United fans will back him during that period
@rishabh3150 11 ай бұрын
@@crunch1495 he is defensively immense no doubt.. but going up front he just offers very little.. I don't remember the last time he crossed the ball into the box.. same with Dalot.. he has a very good line breaking pass but again he can't cross either.. only Shaw can cross from the flanks.. Antony doesn't put in a cross either.. so there's absolutely no attacking width from our right flank.. we need a right back like Dumfries or Frimpong who can put accurate crosses regularly to threaten opposition defences..
@Amaling 11 ай бұрын
@Rishabh 31 agree, AWB can find a good home elsewhere. Honestly might be the best defensive RB on the planet
@saqib7965 11 ай бұрын
It's like pep trying to play his style with de gea maguire etc It's impossible
@lozcontreras 11 ай бұрын
ETH has had to change his style based on the players he has. MUFC play nothing like Ajax did, but he has inherited a squad of scatter gun transfers, and been backed for just one window so far.
@tiestofalljays 11 ай бұрын
I wake up each morning hoping to see we’ve approached Onana as a long-term replacement for De Gea (I still rate De Gea and he will go down as a club legend for me). Give Onana a blank cheque. If he goes to like…Chelsea, my week will actually be ruined.
@Chackz0 11 ай бұрын
@@tiestofalljays get diogo costa instead, cheaper and will give you less heart attacks, saves us the hassle of trying to engage in a price war with Chelsea for him, especially due to the current uncertainty regarding our financial situation
@Mij10132 11 ай бұрын
@@Chackz0 that portugal fumble was a heart attack that would kill me so I would prefer Onana over Costa
@h4ndrix 11 ай бұрын
@@Mij10132 lol facts, I agree.
@cjsky5822 11 ай бұрын
@@Mij10132 one instance is what you judge a player on? It's not like Onana has never made a mistake, he could get banned for another 12 months due to taking the "wrong" drugs again? Would that give you a heart attack?
@mercurialblonde 11 ай бұрын
The stats under Ten Hag are heavily influenced by the lack of a modern keeper, striker, and large segments of the season without a 6. Chances haven't been finished. And mistakes have routinely happened in the build up
@bonjovi7120 11 ай бұрын
For 5 seasons De Gea was United’s best player. Now all of a sudden he is not good enough. You are a clown kid
@drex5160 11 ай бұрын
Why didnt this bald genius pick up Onana for free last summer? Since he's worked with him before.
@TonyTynebridge 11 ай бұрын
Got better players though, world cup winning cb bought, 5 time cl winner bought, £100m winger bought
@jakobmokvistsoderlund 11 ай бұрын
@@TonyTynebridge Indeed, and they all performed quite well. Antony had an okay season, with expectations blown up by a price tag he couldn't control, yet contributed in a lot of defensive scenarios. Problem was that almost all of them got severely injured during this season - Eriksen, Sabitzer, Martinez and Garnacho (brought in from youth system) had major injuries. With Antony, Malacia suffering minor injuries. On top of that Casemiro was out for a lot of games for honestly quite ridiculous red cards, considering the tackles that brought Eriksen and Garnacho out of play (at least show some consistency).
@TheCaptainShadows 11 ай бұрын
All of this applies to Ole as well btw
@ThisCharminManc 11 ай бұрын
Yes he has, but there’s an awful lot of disrespect shown to Ole. He got back to back top 4 finishes and was a penalty kick away from a trophy. He wanted to sign Haaland & Caicedo and the club didn’t do that. If Ole had a midfielder like Casemiro he’d have won a trophy or two I’m sure. The club need to get the players Ten Hag wants.
@AValidPointUHave 11 ай бұрын
I think Ole’s biggest weakness was is tactical naivety. And I don’t mean that entirely as a negative. He was carried by vibes. They players loved him at first, and the fans loved that a legend was back. But for the most part, he bottled the biggest matches because there was no real tactical approach to those game, and we he did try to instill some tactics they went horribly wrong. Admittedly, some of that was down to the quality of player he had, but in truth, once the vibes faded, he started slowly losing the locker room. The Rojo incident, refusing to drop Maguire and Bruno when their form went into the gutter, and then the final nail in the coffin…Ronaldo. When he came in, the vibes were fully killed and players started to realize just how inexperienced Ole was, and how little he was learning. And at that point it was all over.
@crag188wwe 11 ай бұрын
Ole was a clown of a manager lad, blown millions on Maguire, sancho, AWB, Dan James. Never bought a holding midfielder ole set us back years
@Wulfryk 11 ай бұрын
"if he had a midfielder like Casemiro" you do realize part of the management is bringing players in. pretty sure there's been plenty of opportunity to sign the "right" players.
@crag188wwe 11 ай бұрын
@@Wulfryk exactly Ole played Fred and mctominay for too long no wonder he get sacked he deserved to be
@Padbot1 11 ай бұрын
@@Wulfryk ETH didn't want Casemiro.
@Rybo4 11 ай бұрын
As a Liverpool fan I do worry about United's current trajectory. It reminds me of when Klopp first took over - the team had lots of gaps and holes so would lose ridiculous games, draw games 3-3 and make silly mistakes but still have top performances in pressure situations such as getting to the Europa League final. And it got ironed out over time. Once ETH gets in a few more of "his" players, they'll start thriving.
@dabisset7900 11 ай бұрын
‘His’ players like Anthony, Malacia, and Martinez? It might change next year but Ten Hags underestimated the quality and physicality of the teams in the league. You can’t be leaving fullbacks free when your pressing here. Nor be weak in the air. Big switches of play, top quality attacking fullbacks, and physical strikers are things most teams have in their locker. Liverpool and Brentford murdered them this year because if it. It’s a tactical symptom of coaching by far the most dominant side in a much weaker league if you ask me. Let’s see what they do next year. They need a dominant cb to pair with Lisandro and a reliable striker
@edofarido3175 11 ай бұрын
Surprising one of the best signings of this season, Casemiro wasnt his signing, more like panic signing. His signings are average if not worse, bar Martinez.
@greatstoic2297 11 ай бұрын
@edofarido even Martinez was a panic buy. He was nowhere in United's radar. He was an Arsenal target. United only pounced when they realised Arsenal will dilly dally because of price.
@kingarthur8646 11 ай бұрын
You shouldn't worry too much because contrary to your owners who backed Klopp with 1rst rate signings throughout multiple windows, our Glazers never splash cash consistently to get the best players the manager wants. It is always the second or 3rd choice. Or even if it is the 1rst choice we end up overpaying, then ultimately waisting our budget
@Rybo4 11 ай бұрын
@@kingarthur8646 true, but you are getting new owners soon, right? I think in a couple of seasons you'll easily challenge
@amann24 11 ай бұрын
This is a fantastic breakdown of ETH's United, and confirms what you see with the eye. Really great video.
@mimikolomamu 11 ай бұрын
Some people just like to look at stats and data.....
@eucherenkov 11 ай бұрын
He's a real serious analyst!
@asifisnow 11 ай бұрын
What a great analysis!..many people have tried to analyse ETH, but the concluding statement is one to watch in the coming season..I hope you guys revisit this next season and see if he has reduced the risk or moved to a more controlling way of playing..
@colemiller1591 11 ай бұрын
I think this just shows how important getting in Kim Min Jae would be to our approach. Elite in possession and one of the best out and out defenders in Europe as well. I’d be ok going into the season with a youth player and loan 9 as long as we get him in. I worry we’ll splash on a 9 but leave the midfield and back line to rot, even though that’s where we need to build our new style from.
@shadow_realm47 11 ай бұрын
Give Harry Macguire a second chance innit! He can play forward! Amazing at heading the ball and kicking defenders!
@richardlobo88 10 ай бұрын
1 good season doesn't justify Kim transfer to united. Calm down.
@jorregritter3669 11 ай бұрын
Shows that Ole was a good manager, which we all knew already. I think Ten Hag is the right man to take us to the next level
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
He took us to 3rd, 2nd, and EL final with McFred and bunch of old strikers. Not even ETH can do that.
@JoseRodriguez-bq9qc 9 ай бұрын
@@harukrentz435 his brand of football was perfect for mcfred, ten hag plays different football
@user-nd3ks4mi7b 11 ай бұрын
Key to remember is that we were missing key players during the season ( Eriksen, Casemiro and Martial) . We also suffered a few heavy defeats which makes us look worse than we actually are.
@bri1085 11 ай бұрын
Also won some game by some dodgy decisions like against City.
@MistaZULE 11 ай бұрын
@ bri1085 but that’s live sports. We could go back and say x player should have been sent off for this foul or that, or a penalty was missed by the ref resulting in a draw or a loss.
@gk7880 11 ай бұрын
You got battered several times because you are very beatable not just pot luck
@userjim83 11 ай бұрын
That all makes zero logical sense. Those defeats are part of exactly who they are and every team misses key players. You are what you do in totality and not what you do in selected circumstances.
@atulrcks 11 ай бұрын
My man casemiro played 51 matches , I don't think you missed him that much
@leel9186 11 ай бұрын
Massive United fan. Only missed a few games at OT last season. Our problem is depth. We don't have enough quality, or enough players who can play the way ETH wants. Even if he gets a few windows and money to spend, we are still in a league with 'Citeh', Liverpool (who will come back), Arsenal, Chelski (who will come good) and now Newcastle. This is probably as tough as the Premier League has ever been.
@oitoitoi1 11 ай бұрын
"Massive glory supporter"
@hayychh 11 ай бұрын
I don't know why you had to state the size of your support or how many games you've attended, to voice your opinion
@snorfietsers4006 11 ай бұрын
why can't you just say City and Chelsea lol. You're using slang you'd say when you're like 9. come on man
@pinealdreams1064 11 ай бұрын
@@oitoitoi1 How can anyone call United fans glory supporters after the last ten years? We've won 5 trophies. The glory fans have all moved onto City, mate.
@nextgenkilla7645 11 ай бұрын
@@pinealdreams1064 exactly, there are def supported that are here for the attention on stuff like social media but we def havent had much Glory since SAF left. only Jose and Ten hag have brought us any good times
@nopoint2427 11 ай бұрын
As a Liverpool fan they have improved obviously BUT De Gea isn't a United level keeper anymore. If they get Kim min jae, a GK, and a striker they will at minimum somewhat contest for a title.
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
Agreed (as a United fan)
@Songmyz 11 ай бұрын
KMJ, Kane, Costa, Caicedo and Mount would be ideal transfer window.
@justme599 11 ай бұрын
@@Songmyz the dream! We have sellable assets so we should be able to do the above in £200m net spend. Probably get another free CM too Do we have the personnel at the club to pull this off though is the question
@dabisset7900 11 ай бұрын
Anyone utd fan getting their hopes up about Costa should watch the highlights of the Porto Liverpool game in the champions league year before last. Might be in for a surprise
@RedScareClair 11 ай бұрын
No we're too shallow in midfield to really contend. I do believe ten hag wants a dribbler in that midfield to give us more options. 2 CMs, 2 strikers, and a CB before we're truly in the conversation. We play too many games to have as many useless players as we do.
@mtzeditz7547 11 ай бұрын
Ten Hag guided United to third place, won the League Cup and came within 14 points of the top of the table, which, incredibly, is closer than United have come to first place than any year since 2013, bar one.
@shadow_realm47 11 ай бұрын
Calm down, it only happened because Liverpool, Tottenham and Chelsea have had an unusually shambolic season at the same time. Once Liverpool and Chelsea return to the top and ETH falls out with the board United are gonna be 5th as usual.
@psavage2222 11 ай бұрын
Would love to see this data again a year from now. Nice analysis 🤌🏼
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
Also (on improving the team) a clinical striker would help exploit the upside more when turnovers are generated, so offset the risk against better teams more - and simultaneously make them a little more cautious
@PJ-wi8to 11 ай бұрын
Everyone forgetting United won a league cup? First trophy in 6 years? United have made massive improvements this season.
@electronicfootballgameplay 11 ай бұрын
Ten Hag approaching is too risky for current United squad. There's so many players that only fit on counter attack game under Ole. So, yes United have to kick some players (without disrespcting them) like Harry Maguire, McTominay & maybe De Gea (coz he have ball control issue). Its not personal but this base on what we can see this season 🔥
@shaheemjackson283 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant video! Sooo insightful!!! 🙌🏿
@stephenorr2516 11 ай бұрын
Yes. He finished 3rd, won a trophy and got to another final (and quarters in Europe). All without a squad that can play the type of football he wants. Pep finished 4th with no trophy in his first season with a club and squad that had been built for him long before ge arrived.
@dbcooper7326 11 ай бұрын
Ole got top 2
@joseph20yearsago61 11 ай бұрын
@@dbcooper7326 with a squad he build
@bri1085 11 ай бұрын
Ole made it all the way to the final when he finished 2nd.
@riser7795 11 ай бұрын
Playstyle matters. Ole did very well with a counter attacking style via transition but he knows he can't rely on it forever. In the end he got sack as the squad was unable to adapt to the new style he was trying to implement. I can see the same thing happening to Ten Hag if they keep relying on attacking via transition. Lets just hope he is given enough time and funds to get the players suitable for the style of football he wanted to implement.
@a-manthegeneral 11 ай бұрын
This comment is filled with jealousy of the blue side of manchester lol. Pep finished 3rd in his first season with the 2nd or 3rd oldest team in the league and one of the oldest in Europe. But what else do you expect from a Manchester United fan, although I will listen to what you say if Ten Hag can get 100 points in his second season :)
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
Nice and clear explanation of ppda 👍 It's been explained on the podcast in a similar way, but it seems to be one that most people still struggle with
@tablaplayer09 11 ай бұрын
I still think ETH has the ability to transform United if the Glazers give him the players and money to work with. The Cup win backs up the upward trajectory of United and maybe they will compete again in PL and CL as well.
@kzpriv.1 11 ай бұрын
Glazers okay… 🤦🏾♂️
@NostalgiNorden 11 ай бұрын
He already has.
@Wildhogsdez 11 ай бұрын
No way not with that keeper David de Gea and a world class striker. Otherwise they will be same like this season next year also
@overman2306 11 ай бұрын
Man Utd spend the money. They just have bad staff doing the deals and it's the Glazers job to hire better staff.
@aariyanmahmud301 11 ай бұрын
'if the Glazers' dont worry they wont
@ForzaOwnz 11 ай бұрын
@7:4. Another reason of winning the ball higher is the fact he is not playing maguire anymore which allows Utd to play a higher line. Can't wait to get rid of the paper weight. Good in a team that relies solely on a counter. Not for a team that wants to play like ETH
@Hyde_Hill 11 ай бұрын
New Goalkeeper wil also go a long way to playing both a higher press and playing out from the back.
@Fatbirdsdontfly 11 ай бұрын
Solid analysis. I think it is worth noting that while you can discard the Ragnik season, we should remember how much a shambles it has been in 2022. Also, the amount of games, a prize, top 4, amount of points. I think there has been aobvious inprovement at United.
@justbenny9067 11 ай бұрын
It is Erik's first season in charge and with a third place finish and a cup trophy, its quite a good one. There have been good signings and great decisions in the midst of a sale process, controversies and our left wing has had to fill in at striker scoring 30 goals this season. If Erik is going to keep united going at a positive and keep up with the other teams next season, a quality striker is needed. With the likes of Mason Mount and Kim min jae linked quite strongly, its looking rather good. The question of the striker remains
@nont18411 11 ай бұрын
Good but not enough
@pinealdreams1064 11 ай бұрын
@@nont18411 He took over a team that was 6th last year. What do you guys actually expect from him? To go from 6th to first?
@kaiwistoski9858 11 ай бұрын
It’s pretty clear that they have a direction now, which is probably more important than immediate results
@unclebensrice4702 11 ай бұрын
As a United fan whos watched almost every game yes we have improved 100% yeah we've had some spankings and started rough but we can see what Ten Hag is trying to do and we can see the limitations of the squad but he's squeezing all the juice out of the players hes got and his signings have all been quality
@GreenandGold 11 ай бұрын
I love United under ETH, finally I feel we have a proper manager who can develop his own team over a long period and eventually compete.
@saqib7965 11 ай бұрын
Give Ten hag some players to fit his style i.e Costa GK kim min jae CB Zubimendi CM Kane ST Also ole got lucky his best season was in the covid season with no away fans it helped the team also having Cavani, Greenwood all chipped in with goals
@silence3539 10 ай бұрын
Cannot believe United bottled signing kim min jae 😫would have been perfect
@CoherentChimp 11 ай бұрын
Taking out the 5 worst performances can only be a reasonable indicator of overall performance, if the 5 best performances are also removed.
@DM-rc4yu 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. You can't eliminate 5 worst performances and conclude the season would be much better if there weren't bad performances. That's not how it works.
@UncrownedRapKing 10 ай бұрын
How do you choose which 5 performances was best? 🎤
@CoherentChimp 10 ай бұрын
@@UncrownedRapKing Can't you figure it out for yourself?
@user-zu2id3ec4q 11 ай бұрын
I wonder if Solksjaer was much better than we give him credit for. Imagine him with the players he wanted, it could've been a whole different ball game
@patrickmcintosh5915 11 ай бұрын
I mean he really was… Like he wanted Rice and Neves to support Bruno, also Greenwood was a baller
@justinwillness3162 11 ай бұрын
he wanted sean longstaff and adam brooks. give it a rest
@spl24 11 ай бұрын
Well he signed maguire so no
@tiagocampos9258 11 ай бұрын
u cant win the league just by playing counter attacking football, not with pep's Man City and Klopp's Liverpool sides as dominant as they were/are
@Haraamcore13 10 ай бұрын
Yea right…the players he wanted were Maguire, James, awb. Wanted longstaff and Joshua king. The guy bottled like 4 finals losing to teams with way worse players
@anirudh_cr 11 ай бұрын
Excellent video and analysis. Love it
@chicofoxo 11 ай бұрын
Surprised that the high-pressing only resulted in ONE goal all season. Makes me think if it's worthwhile. Would be interesting to see how many goals they conceded by committing to the high-press - if there is a negative goal diff - is it worth persisting?
@SubZeroDNB 11 ай бұрын
As an arsenal fan, plenty of goals/chances come from high pressing. It’s definitely worth it, you just need the right players who can pull it off.
@SubZeroDNB 11 ай бұрын
Not only that, the high press in the first half of the season allowed us to limit chances against us and pin teams in their own half. When we were by far our best this season was the first 12 or so games when we dominated every team we played (except Man U but we move) by just throwing wave after wave of attack at them.
@phightinphil25 11 ай бұрын
@@SubZeroDNB As a United fan I would have been pissed if Arsenal had won the title after looking terrible versus United at their lowest ebb of the season. Hearing what went wrong in that match as someone who watches Arsenal more frequently than I do would help me have context to how you almost won the title.
@SubZeroDNB 11 ай бұрын
@@phightinphil25 in my opinion Martinellis goal being disallowed (not to be salty but wrongly disallowed) changed the entire game for us. Our tactic all season was to blow teams away early, score 2-3 goals early and just see it out in the second half. After it was disallowed we thought we had u in the bag and arteta was naive to believe Fabio Vieira could join ødegaard and Elneny in the midfield to give us the edge going forward. In reality all that did was leave us vulnerable to the counter, which u got us with 3 times. After ur second goal we just had no confidence left and collapsed.
@crag188wwe 11 ай бұрын
That’s because we don’t press as a team bro, Rashford never presses EVER either
@prestozer 11 ай бұрын
I'm not a fan of Manchester United's antiquated style of play. We should adopt a more contemporary approach like Chelsea, Arsenal, Manchester City, Brighton, and Liverpool. It's frustrating that we constantly rely on transitions. Ten Hag should bring his distinctive style to the team quickly.
@adnifa1998 11 ай бұрын
Man utd's players can't do that sadly. Ten Hag tried to adopt it in first two match in epl.
@CezrDaPleazr 11 ай бұрын
This is an incredible breakdown, nicely done
@dmckyle 10 ай бұрын
Very insightful analysis . . . Thanks much
@connorf4035 11 ай бұрын
Does anyone know what software Tifo use for their data visualisation?
@3bladeninja21 11 ай бұрын
His biggest flaw is talking "eras come to an end" "Man United are the only team in the world that can compete with this City team" Chill. Progress the team in silence. It's best for yourself, the team and the fans
@oitoitoi1 11 ай бұрын
typical man u arrogance, nothing new.
@Chip_Fuse 11 ай бұрын
And the Anfield one too, that was a huge one.
@shadow_realm47 11 ай бұрын
Real Gs move in silence like lasagne. He wants to be seen in the upper echelons of PL managers but he's nowhere near that, you have to perfor you can't talk yourself into being seen as one of the best.
@benedictharrison2819 11 ай бұрын
When you come in as a manager you have two decisions, adapt your tactics to the team you're given, or try and be ruthless with your philosophy and instill it in the players even if it leads to worse results. ETH has chosen the first, as a lot of managers do. It leads to decent results in the short term. Most top managers adapt to their players whilst also trying to instill their philosophy in them in the background so that after a few seasons they can play the football they want to. However, there will be a period of time where the manager has to make that jump from adapting their tactics to playing the football they want to and it is in this period that the results will worsen, they won't have the control to play exactly how they want, but won't have the defensive solidity of the adapted tactics ETH currently uses. There will be a period when United go from defensive/high press football to possession based football and this will be when they go on a poor run of form
@11East 11 ай бұрын
Unless you bring in a lot of new players over a season or 2 and adapt that way. I’m guessing thats the plan.
@ComradeOgilvy1984 11 ай бұрын
Arsenal got demolished in several games during Arteta's first two seasons, as he zigzagged a bit between those two approaches. At some point, you have try, knowing some of your players may not be ready for the transition to a new system. I think ETH has done well enough to deserve some slack.
@benedictharrison2819 11 ай бұрын
@@ComradeOgilvy1984 yeh I agree ETH has done well so far but I think a lot of United fans think he's solved a lot of problems when he hasn't so far, he's mainly been successful because after the first 2 games getting demolished he reverted back to the Ole style counter attacking football that his players are comfortable with. The team are still yet to make that transition to a possession based team and I think they're due a bad run of games when that happens. Arteta's FA cup victory in his first season probably saved him from the sack in his 1st full season when Arsenal went on that awful run, we'll see if the United board have enough faith in ETH when he tries to make that transition
@ComradeOgilvy1984 11 ай бұрын
@@benedictharrison2819 I agree that ETH is very likely to hit a bad run of games, as he stretches players more and more out of their comfort zone. There is talent on this MU roster, but how they should fit together into a spirited attacking team is a bit murky. I hope the MU board shows strong support for the next three transfer periods -- I think that is what it is going to take. I am a Liverpool fan, and I appreciate that ETH chose a non-usual lineup that was ready to battle energetically at Old Trafford early in this last season, and they they are also willing to come out of their shell and really attack, too. That seemed promising to me. (The demolition at Anfield I fault the players for, not ETH.)
@takazchichaz597 11 ай бұрын
The weakness you highlighted there.. wen all three forwards press high and leaves a full back .. i saw it a couple of times .. against weaker sides .. the pass to pick out the full back was difficult.. but wen the full back wud get the ball .. we often got in trouble
@otuyemitobi5189 11 ай бұрын
Thorough analysis 👏🏻👏🏻
@LordWay 11 ай бұрын
At the moment when we play badly we do get pumped by teams when others will lose 3 or 4 goals at max but it's a season of stability which he has provided and now with the cup performances he should be able to galvanise the squad and earn the trust to make significant change to it
@conorbyrne8074 11 ай бұрын
Really good to see you removing the extreme results which skew the whole data set. It shows how the overall system and concepts of a new coach are getting across (there's always blips). This was my issue with your previous video on Emery. Really good video.
@darrenjohn8524 11 ай бұрын
Did they remove the extreme good results as well?
@danielosdinia4258 11 ай бұрын
Very good and informative analysis. Thanks
@ninejot 11 ай бұрын
Great video!!
@kushmbugua8439 11 ай бұрын
3:46: "It's going to be much easier to run in behind if there's a behind to run into". Profound.
@iwantgoals1566 11 ай бұрын
I think we can control games more by buying better players in key positions, starting with the keeper. Onana going to Chelsea without even being linked to us is embarrassing but there are still plenty of ball playing keepers out there that we can sign. Then we need to reinforce the spine of the team with players that raise the technical ceiling of the squad and not the floor. Hence why I’m confused that Ten Hag is going for a Mason Mount type of 8 compared to wanting a FDJ last season. Mount is good but also avg and not a significant enough improvement on the likes of Fred. But we could be a much better side with just 4 signings this summer.
@luigymendoza 11 ай бұрын
That's all true, but I think a big problem of this united is not being able to complete the chances created. Martial and Weghorst were just there wasting chances created by Antony, Eriksen and obviously Bruno (who created more chances than anyone in the prem) I think the solution is just get better depth in the squad, some signings. Also, another big problem, is just mentality. Manchester United does not know how to deal with a match that is not going according to plan, and Ten Hag during March and April where the most difficult games took place, didnt know how to change the approach after half-time. You could argue that in that time, key players were injured, but we still had Bruno, Rashford and Lindelof did quite a good job when needed, so i think it was just ten hag not adapting well to the circunstances. Generally, I think United is better now, they have a sense of identity again. I think the squad is suffering from signings of the past. United is investing money like any other top team, but in the wrong players. They need to listen Ten Hag and get him the players he wants.
@ameychaware510 11 ай бұрын
I think having to constantly play in transition because we don't have a striker, and not being able to play a high line to force more attacking turnovers because of the Keeper, full back and #8 situation is also why he plays the way he does. I don't think he is really able to implement the playstyle he actually wants to, and that comes down tk personnel. I have no doubt that the style changes with different ans better players.
@RyanOSullivan 11 ай бұрын
This is some very serious football analysis by a very serious football analyst
@MarcelVolker 11 ай бұрын
The point about consistency in playing a high risk-high reward system sounds similar to what happened to Brighton. When they played well it was great, but when they were even slightly off, it immediately went disastrous (1-5 to Everton and 3-1 to Nottingham e.g.).
@leobestbote4244 11 ай бұрын
I just hope Ten Hag takes serious note of the matches we were bad becoz when we were bad we really sucked, we sort that out and build our our impressive home record and we could have a better season next season and we need to becoz too four next season is gonna be a 5/6 team battle
@IncredibleMet 11 ай бұрын
Yes. He replaced squad players that were in the starting XI with decent players and Anthony.
@9blowtorch 11 ай бұрын
I think that's harsh on Anthony. Is he the same level as Salah, Saka, Rodrygo, etc? No, but I think he is a good player who will only get better. In the Arsenal - ManU game (just one example), Zinchenko actually couldn't come in as an inverted midfielder till Anthony was subbed off, as he was basically kept busy the entire time. He tracks back and defends too. A very hard working player who has an absolute rocket of a shot from his left.
@pinealdreams1064 11 ай бұрын
Antony was one of United's best players last season and the English hatred for him is insanity.
@shomiksenbhattacharjee870 11 ай бұрын
I think most of Antony’s criticism comes from his problems with decision making during attacks and not his contribution off the ball. In terms of his off the ball work, he’s better suited to Ten Hag’s style than anyone else we have in attack.
@riser7795 11 ай бұрын
@@shomiksenbhattacharjee870 Agree, that makes him really fustrating to watch at times which is probably why people are harsher on him than usual.
@bri1085 11 ай бұрын
@@pinealdreams1064 Antony being one of Man Utd's best players is exactly why people aren't rating this Ten Hag team.
@ChariTile 11 ай бұрын
what do those mechanical switches on the tactics board do?
@leel9186 11 ай бұрын
Could you map Maguire's 1st team starts over that graph?
@9blowtorch 11 ай бұрын
Goodness, I'm apparently the first viewer on this video. I've never done that before. I mean obviously other people would be watching the video at the same time as I was, its just that I have never started watching a video that says "No views" Edit: Of course, Man U have improved under Ten Hag. The question is more, how high is the ceiling with the current team? And another question is what is actually happening with the sale situation at the club. I am sure Ten Hag has plans to improve the team, but he cannot do that with any degree of freedom till he knows how much he has to spend.
@Doddled231 11 ай бұрын
The pressing system you have shown isnt a very bad one. The problem it has got is that when you have players like erikson and Bruno who arent good at tracking that run when switch is being made to the free opposition player. If he gives up his marker to another and shifts accordingly,the whole team shifts from one side to another in solit of seconds,but you need deep coordination between players and the physical strength to do that. Every player has to be on the same line to do that,at united it doesnt. Bruno is great at pressing forward but relatively poir at tracking back. Rashford is another. Even if the shifts is made,the rapid rate in which the team attain the defensive position would nullify the attack easily. Rashford dorsnt do that. Shaw cant come and become aggressive because he will leave a winger free. So the fullback will run through entire field and at defensive third,a midfielder tries to engage leaving his marker free and organisational failure,ultimately leading to a chance for the opponents. Better athletic players will prevent this but ten hag really seem to favour Bruno and Rashford. The only problem for me is that they will be great for the teams when they have good games,when they dont,they look awful,are passengers for whole team because they dont contribute defensively.
@ImFataI 11 ай бұрын
Boy am I glad that my sleep schedule is completely fucked lol
@kingtchala6832 11 ай бұрын
Its been a weird season but ultimately I would say yes. There has been heavy, embarrassing defeats and there have been sporadic good performances. I believe ETH has produced the best he can with these set of players. Many times this season, he has tactically set us up well, however the players fail to execute at key moments - that sort of thing is out of the managers hands. When Anthony takes a shot rather than passes, or when Rashford does the same, we are letting thr opposition off. Tactically, hes set us up to win games by comfortable margins, 3/4/5 nil but our players have failed to happpen. Lastly, we have too many players who are still far too comfy playing Ole, counter attacking style of play. We continue to be a reactive team rather tham proactive.
@jayantpatel90 11 ай бұрын
Great analysis
@CarKiller92 11 ай бұрын
"When we are bad, we are REALLY bad, otherwise pretty good." Yeah, sums up our season perfectly.
@JackNapier420 11 ай бұрын
Arsenal fan here. Everyone looking for a quick immediate impact from new managers these days need to understand managers inherit completely different teams of olayers and setups so theyd need at least 3 windows to really get going and begin to form a consistent system. If i was a utd id be happy with ETH. Give him time.
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
Exactly. As a United fan I'm happy with him. For United it's worse than the challenges you spelled out - wider mess in the club itself, which I thought would put a lower ceiling on what he could achieve.
@JackNapier420 11 ай бұрын
@@ronanfitzpatrick1261 yea if ye get the right buyer ye will fly it!
@liamcaron9603 11 ай бұрын
You guys ended the video with a question. Would love to hear you answer it. Love the videos when you guys give your opinions on what may be the best option
@thembawulana9508 11 ай бұрын
Counter attacking can be our base on attack....but we love the games possession...calmly ...it make for better watching for us ....UNITED❤
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
Weve never been a possesion based team even under SAF we were team famous for electric counter attack (study case against arsenal in CL SF 08/09 where ronaldo scored a goal from 3 seconds breakthrough counter attack)
@JoseMiranda-sh7ik 11 ай бұрын
All I heard was they actually have quality players in the mid that aren't always injured
@user-pu1ds4gy4x 11 ай бұрын
Great content.
@jerrydboss7251 11 ай бұрын
Eth is playing a hybrid Ole style of football
@davidr1138 11 ай бұрын
There is also the question of squad depth; City have probably the best, 2 excellent players for each position, even if some are better than than others... United simply don't have this, yet. Rebuilds take time.
@the_loveable_fat_man9948 11 ай бұрын
This is where we need to get a dangerous centre forward. The issue is that who we have, no one is enough of a threat to warrant 2 centre backs marking them meaning rashford or Antony has to be pulled over. Get united oshimen or kane and i think rashford and anthony would stay more on their full backs with the striker taking the 2 centre backs meaning united dont need to be as open. The striker is the weak point and ETH should be able to resolve that this transfer window
@commentarytalk1446 11 ай бұрын
Be interesting to see how and who ManUtd are able to sign this Summer.
@muhammedgamal5871 10 ай бұрын
Great one
@1990gollum 11 ай бұрын
As amazing as the tactical analysis is, the greatest part of the video is watching the automated subtitles trying to make sense of "Ole Gunnar Solskjaer"
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings 11 ай бұрын
Park on Pirlo,Fred on KDB Ferguson tactics,not Ten Hag Ref intrepret rules in Utd FA-VAR Vs City Managing Utd - Ten Hag,Fergi/Howard Webb?🤔
@ste4392 11 ай бұрын
We haven't been inconsistent, we just get spanked by the top half teams away from home. That's the issue that needs sorting next season
@diadiecisse3089 11 ай бұрын
Without casemiro, man utd wouldn’t have finished in the top 10. He performed so well, he actually made man utd seem decent. We saw how ya’ll perform without him.
@Rid117 11 ай бұрын
Video content is great, but the neon shirt effect pushes it over the top into pure magic
@GilesLimescale 11 ай бұрын
MAN LIKE BALDIE! very insightful footy brain and attractive, fink I saw you at the BFI screening of Tarkovsky's 'Mirror'... was too starstruck to say hi!
@MrFooFighter13 11 ай бұрын
The team are better and have better personnel now for sure. But the video only really demonstrates that we are playing a different style and that Ole did in fact have a style of play, contrary to what Talksport et al would say.
@baloo7b 11 ай бұрын
I think he needs to turn it up to… Erik Eleven Hag
@katlegomehlape8623 11 ай бұрын
Please make a video about Mason Mount going to united and analysis it
@MattyNaps1997 11 ай бұрын
I don’t really understand the urgency behind wanting to replace De Gea. I get the idea of it like he is not the ideal Keeper for a ETH system but the squad as a whole has more urgent needs then replacing a keeper who led the league in Clean Sheets. I would prioritize signing a Striker, Central Midfielder and another Center Back.
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
You cant keep ball possesion if your goalie keep you losing the ball by kicking the ball high, all the time. Replacing goalie is just as important as getting a world class striker.
@PullThatUpJamie 11 ай бұрын
Do a vid on how De Gea has the worst statistics in all of Europe @Tifo IRL
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
Well his save stats are middle of the pack compared to other PL goalkeepers, so wouldn't be fair - assume you're talking about goals conceded vs expected?
@Dave0610 11 ай бұрын
A good goalkeeper + a striker and this team would massively improve.
@donatellerxxiv1890 11 ай бұрын
With just that?, we need two strikers, another rb Dalot needs to go, a good on the ball centre back(Kim)
@Dave0610 11 ай бұрын
@@donatellerxxiv1890 Please explain why Dalot needs to be let go? His form pre-injury was exceptional. I'm sure he'll be back to form next season. Yes Kim would be a good addition but the way us fans talk about him is almost as if Maguire was still starting? We've got Raphael Varane. It is not urgent to add Kim to the squad. What I do think is urgent, is 1. obviously a striker that can capitalize on the amount of chances we create and 2. a good goalkeeper so that we're able to get closer to the ideal Ten Hag football.
@Bozza36 11 ай бұрын
Ten Hag has done a decent job, but Man U still need to improve significantly to be at the level they once were. He needs at least half a team of new signings.
@Xavyer13 11 ай бұрын
Loving the Ten Haggian narrative still
@ZazalMK 11 ай бұрын
There isn't much difference in tactics, it's more difference in player quality. Ole had Maguire, McFred and an underdeveloped AWB, so he had no option of gaining control of the match and had to rely on sitting back and countering. ETH has Martinez to solidify the back, which allows Casemiro and Eriksen to unleash their creativity going forward and improve ball control, a massive improvement on McFred. Plus, AWB and Dalot have been much better, giving United the opportunity to progress the ball on either flank, rather than just relying on Shaw to overload the wings. I think they're a deadly striker and another solid CB away from consistency.
@steerj07 11 ай бұрын
Serious football analysis from a serious football analyst.
@ginogranzella514 11 ай бұрын
Did I miss something or did the stats show that United have added only 1 goal as a result of their high press? Is that really beneficial considering the risks of a high press? How many goals did they concede as a result of their press? It has to be greater than 1, right?
@vaspar 11 ай бұрын
The casual writing off of Ole's team as a Counter attacking unit relying solely on Bruno's passing and Rashford, James and Martial's quick game play is appalling. You are forgetting United were very strong on the left hand side of the field, Rashford was injured for majority of 20/21 and Pogba used to start at that position. The trio of Shaw, Pogba and Bruno used to overload on the left, and cross the ball to Martial / Greenwood / Cavani for finishing. The team had a brilliant start in the 21/22 season until a certain someone arrived. Sancho was also an unnecessary signing. Pogba used to start ahead of Fred in CM, if Rashford started but would move up the left again if Fred was introduced later for Martial or Rashford. His hat trick of assists was from the left. James was almost always on the bench, so you don't even have Ole's main team on the board to do a proper analysis.
@commonsense660 11 ай бұрын
There is nothing to suggest Solskjær could not have gotten a more positive team scoring more goals had he had players like Martinez, Varane and Casemiro at the back, who are world class both defensively and in transition. Maguire is not that quick, Fred and McTominay are not good in possession, United lacked a right winger and both Martial and Rashford did better from the left. These are personnel problems. Solskjærs United were a more than ok side, finishing 2nd in the league and having some decent ucl performances, but lacking in a few positions that meant they were unable to break down worse teams, relying almost completely on the brilliance of either Rashford, Bruno or Pogba.
@tuffmbassador522 11 ай бұрын
City singing that jayz Lyric "keep up the pace baby keep up the pace u run this hard just to stay in place"
@yemmelaga7770 11 ай бұрын
Ole isn't a bad manager. I think Rangnick demonstrated that after taking over. The problem is that he didn't get the players he wanted. Ole wanted Haaland and Bellingham and instead got Ronaldo and no midfielders when he desperately wanted (and needed) one. Ole also wanted Declan Rice and Jack Grealish. Maguire was signed because Mourinho wanted him, and Wan-Bissaka was one of about 100 right backs the club scouted. If Ole had gotten the backing to get the signings he wanted United would have been a devastating counterattacking team
@shadow_realm47 11 ай бұрын
The board is stupid for not getting those deals done. Should have sold Martial and Rashford got in Haaland/ Bellingham, Rice/ Grealish would have cost less than 400m if they got those deals done early
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
Ole finished 3rd, 2nd, and reached EL Final playing McFred in midfield 😂😂😂 I want ETH to be more demanding in the transfer market unlike Ole though.
@DM-rc4yu 11 ай бұрын
Ole wanted and spent hundreds of millions on the likes of Maguire and Sancho.
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
@@DM-rc4yu maguire was mourinhos target, sancho was clubs target since he was still at citys academy the only player ole trully wanted to sign was haaland ofc we all knew how it ended. I just hope ETH to be more demanding in the transfer window dont be a meek like Ole.
@nellypringle2875 11 ай бұрын
The second season will tell all, just like with all their other recent managers.
@katlehotrey212 11 ай бұрын
Better personnel Ten hag needs to up his tactical approach also
@rotemegozi1044 10 ай бұрын
Dalot, Martinez,varane,rashford. Had improved under ten hag(even tho varane was at his prime at Madrid). Casimero has been a key player in the team. I will hive ten hag's first season a 7/10 they did win a title at least which is a decent comeback. But still he needs to solve a few problems like striker.(maybe kane or osimen should join man u).
@gentleken7864 11 ай бұрын
It took Jon 11 minutes until he said 'Man Siddy'. I thought he'd say it around the fifth minute. Shows what I know.
@mosesb2054 11 ай бұрын
is marcus rashford in form is the answer basically
@pozsoz 11 ай бұрын
ETH has been forced to play some good old Solksjaer tactics, but as the squad adapts and key players are signed and released, I expect United to improve
@harukrentz435 11 ай бұрын
We played more entertaining football under Ole though. There was a time when our front 3 scored 20 goals each.
@maximeorr 11 ай бұрын
we love mr mckenzie
@magnus383 11 ай бұрын
No one would ever think to take out the 5 worst performances for clubs like Liverpool and Arsenal to make a point like this
@ronanfitzpatrick1261 11 ай бұрын
No, but in their managers first season, which you expect to be less consistent as the team adapts, they should have. I don't know if it was TIFO but one of the best videos I saw on Klopps first season tried to make this point
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