Are England overrated?

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7 ай бұрын

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England are headed to another major tournament under Gareth Southgate having confirmed their place at Euro 2024. While they have topped the group with relative ease, their performances in qualification have not set the world alight.
Despite having a golden generation of players with Jude Bellingham rising even higher at Real Madrid and Harry Kane demolishing the Bundesliga at Bayern Munich, is Southgate actually making the most of them?
JJ Bull is joined by Reuben Pinder to discuss if England are actually overrated.
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@TheAdityaNema
@TheAdityaNema 7 ай бұрын
JJ dislikes Gerrard and JJ loves Jude but Jude loves Gerrard and that's the love triangle I have in my head
@homeworld523
@homeworld523 7 ай бұрын
Does that mean Gerrard loves JJ?
@tf-ok
@tf-ok 7 ай бұрын
@@homeworld523 yes without a doubt
@jamnewt7338
@jamnewt7338 7 ай бұрын
And Southgate hates football
@asruluveira
@asruluveira 7 ай бұрын
but for real. gerrard did nothing for england.. all the hate was on rooney back then.. people tend to overlook how poor geroid is in england. i am glad that he ends his career on a low at lfc. that slip vs chelsea is glorious. and the lfc fan that call talksport for wanting him out was awesome. esp the one that wanted to drive him to the airport..
@Anarchyontheweb
@Anarchyontheweb 7 ай бұрын
both rooney and gerrard were some of the most overrated players oat @@asruluveira
@efitz1524
@efitz1524 7 ай бұрын
As an Ireland fan, it pains me to admit that England have an unbelievable squad and are probably underperforming by not winning anything atm, versus in the past when the English media said they were "underperforming" but they actually just weren't good.
@lukewarmape603
@lukewarmape603 7 ай бұрын
Id say England and France have the strongest squads on paper, both should be strolling international competitions
@sEaNoYeAh
@sEaNoYeAh 7 ай бұрын
My only disagreement is England have absolutely underperformed at times, the squad that failed to qualify for Euro 2008 had John Terry, Rio, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, Hargreaves, Defoe, Crouch, and later an inspirational David Beckham. A couple early knockout exits were definitely just mediocrity incarnate, but even then the manner of those defeats was so often pathetic for high level professional players, even if we completely remove the world class tag some of them had.
@Billiamwoods
@Billiamwoods 7 ай бұрын
Anytime someone says "as a (nation) fan" it always makes me question whether they're from that nation, have some connection or they're just saying "I think they're neat". Like, I'd never say I'm a Finland fan, I'd say "as a Finnish person" when talking about our national team. Excuse my waffling, just a thought.
@joqqeman
@joqqeman 7 ай бұрын
@@sEaNoYeAh Defoe and Crouch was not that great front line to be honest.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
The opportunity to win is literally once every 4 yrs in two major tournaments. Only eight countries have ever won, it’s weird that England are focused on so heavily.
@Talk3rs
@Talk3rs 7 ай бұрын
Personally I think that Southgate was a great manager for England to transition from the old guard to the new team in between 2016-2020. He did great job "retiring" a lot of these guys and introducing young, talented ones, who would not get a chance under different managers as early and would have to wait for their chance long time. On other side, he slided into this "comfort zone" with calling up players, who should not be called or should not be playing - clear example is Phillips, who has 800 minutes in past year and half. Another one Maguire, who for long time was not even played by United in starting lineup. Henderson in Saudis. Rashford in terrible form.... There will be probably more. I would say these players should be promised a chance next time, but not having 100% guaranteed call unless they perform for their club. For example Maguire is there now for a reason. But for previous year? I dont think so. Other thing is, that you need strong tactician on the bench to win tournaments. I think that is something, that England is lacking. Finally strong lineup all around, but missing that strong, tactical manager, who will simply move it to another level. I think England should consider bringing somebody, who failed in long campaigns, but is tactically sound. I dont see English one, so foreign...?
@Mopark25
@Mopark25 7 ай бұрын
Spot on. Southgate is a huge bottleneck on this team but he did well to transition them to the current crop.
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
Southgate has the best England record since Sir Alf Ramsey. He is a limited coach but he has the got the most important thing right - he has built a real team spirit. He knows the players he can trust and has rewarded them with loyalty. There is no obvious replacement for him at present, maybe Potter but could he handle the pressure? Would he even want the job?
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
@@Mopark25 we had in Capello, a recognised elite coach. He failed miserably with England. International football is a totally different game to club football, it's not as easy as it looks.
@keenoh
@keenoh 7 ай бұрын
Bang on.
@Mopark25
@Mopark25 7 ай бұрын
@@andyhx 100% agree, but a coach like Capello is what makes the difference. Italy didn't have a better team than England in the final but Mancini had the tactical knowledge to put them over the edge.
@nands111
@nands111 7 ай бұрын
I still think of that France game in the WC when we were down 2-1 towards the end and we were getting set-piece opportunities. The Rashford free-kick at 90+8. Just for that scenario alone, it justifies having James Ward-Prowse in the squad to bring on for those last 15 minutes. He is a unique player that adds something no one else can match. Southgate needs to arm himself with players that can offer something different when plan A isn't working. How many times have we seen him score from that position - he is the best in the world at it, how can he not make the squad?
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
Mos Def. That is exactly why you need a maverick like Ward-Prowse. Robotic coaches like Southgate would never do that though.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
I mean if England never get a free kick close to the goal, he is costing the team for the rest of the time he’s on the pitch as JWP doesn’t offer much at an international level. There is a balance to be struck
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
@@andyhxon what planet is JWP a ‘maverick’?
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
​@@CMJamesdepends how you define maverick. Id say its someone who can produce the unexpected. Hes been doing that for much of his career. Obviously not on a par with le Tissier or Gazza, no-one saying he is but if you're chasing a goal, last 10, who would you put on, him or any of 10 identikit grunts who xan run for 90 minutes, or flavour of the month no-marks like Hudson-Odoi? I know who I'd bring on.
@DT-ip4db
@DT-ip4db 7 ай бұрын
JWP always looks out of his depth at national level, England have enough great set piece takers in the squad like Trippier, TAA, Maddison, Rashford, Mount if he ever gets back in.
@tianruixiao9239
@tianruixiao9239 7 ай бұрын
One other point about international football I want to stress is that the tournaments are all cup competitions. This influences playstyle to a deep extent and hence we see defensively solid teams who have good counterattack go far in the world cup/euro. Keeping possession is a good way to control the game, but so is scoring goals. If there was a league competition I think England would have a higher chance of winning, but with Foden/Saka and other fast wingers I think they're still top 3 contenders at euros.
@Whyalwaysm3
@Whyalwaysm3 7 ай бұрын
Ironically the only England midfielder who is really good at receiving the ball at half turn is Stones. Still remember that performance against Inter.
@zzzzoijzzzzz
@zzzzoijzzzzz 6 ай бұрын
Kind of surprised no-one talks about playing Stones as a pivot alongside Rice
@michaelrimmer338
@michaelrimmer338 6 ай бұрын
@@zzzzoijzzzzzour only international level CB, so sadly can’t move him to DM.
@jopearson6321
@jopearson6321 7 ай бұрын
Honestly, no, I think for the first time in our recent history (and at least for 35 years) we are not underrated. I think Southgate is only an average international manager, which will probably hold us back. I think the last thing we are missing is that top level motivator and tactician to take us over the line.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
Until England actually win something, they will always be overrated
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 7 ай бұрын
@@CMJameswhy lol everyone hates England and if you are going to say ‘England fans’ well fans of every national team do that with their own country, I’ve seen Korean fans think they would have beaten Brazil in 2022
@sthill1993
@sthill1993 7 ай бұрын
Who is this top level motivator and tactician? There really aren't many who have a demonstrable history of doing well at intl tournaments, and how many of those would manage England? Bear in mind though: doing well at a club does not always mean well-suited to England/Intl football.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383I don’t hate England, I’m a fan. I just don’t think England actually have the mentality or squad to win a major tournament, and Southgate has best he can with what he’s got.
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 7 ай бұрын
@@CMJames that’s underperforming not overrated
@tituschalk
@tituschalk 7 ай бұрын
How can England be progressive enough, retain possession high up the field or counter press with Maguire in the backline who can’t play a high line. He’s a solid player if you want to play deep and counter - but surely to play him for England sells all our attacking talent short. Also Rice and TAA as a double pivot sounds dangerous - can either of them play on the turn? And surely any of the top European seeds would be hamstrung by “not being tested” in qualifying. I don’t think this is the issue. In conclusion, it’s like 10 Things I Hate About You: “Can you be just rated?” :)
@babajidesotande-peters6688
@babajidesotande-peters6688 7 ай бұрын
Well Maguire has been in the England setup for 7 years and they’ve been able to play a high line just fine.
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 7 ай бұрын
Maguire always plays well for England so
@hawaaaa08
@hawaaaa08 6 ай бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383okay but it’s time to let him go. After watching November qualifiers, Maguire is just so underwhelming to watch. I’d take Lewis Dunk any day of the week
@jermainecole4887
@jermainecole4887 7 ай бұрын
Hard to be good under Southgate terror ball, man still picks Jordan Henderson in 2023😂😂
@hyywe240
@hyywe240 7 ай бұрын
I think you would feel more at home watching football daily sir
@jermainecole4887
@jermainecole4887 7 ай бұрын
@@hyywe240 Don’t find much interest in the Saudi pro league, Southgate is the same man who picked Henderson and Phillips over Maddison and Gallagher
@hyywe240
@hyywe240 7 ай бұрын
​​@@jermainecole4887sorry, i was refering to the channel "football daily" i wasnt saying you dont watch football. Its content more aligned to comments like yours
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
England have NEVER been good. Before Southgate and they probably won’t be after him. That’s their heritage
@jermainecole4887
@jermainecole4887 4 ай бұрын
@@hyywe240 my fault then, I see the channel and you're definitely right
@bigrandomun9267
@bigrandomun9267 7 ай бұрын
I think the Saka-Foden partnership on the wings can be a game changer for England because of how comfortable both of them are on both wings. Foden and Saka can play either position based on the opposition and their fullbacks and it creates new ways of attacking. Then with Jude in the middle who can be a perfect all rounder in the team, it just creates so many opportunities and the rest of the team has good enough passing and crossing to find these guys.
@Bufferman09
@Bufferman09 6 ай бұрын
And options like Grealish, Sterling and Rashford etc off the bench as well we have plenty of depth going forward.
@jamesh7251
@jamesh7251 7 ай бұрын
Think you’re absolutely spot on regarding how teams win international tournaments. Be defensively solid, make the most of set pieces, have moments of individual quality on the counter. I feel like GS has tried to harness this with England, luck in the draw might see us win something this summer. You could maybe argue that v France we were the better side and lost the game, the margins v the top teams are so small
@ACE360x
@ACE360x 6 ай бұрын
It certainly felt it could've gone either way
@davidkimball5222
@davidkimball5222 7 ай бұрын
It's amazing how many fans and commentators confuse having lots of very good attacking players with having a squad that should be winning tournaments. As JJ was alluding to, for all the competition we have for the AM/RW/LW spots we are incredibly reliant on Bellingham and Kane for goals and on Rice to protect the defence, and I would take the defences of France, Portugal or Holland over ours in a heartbeat.
@jeroenwillems5188
@jeroenwillems5188 7 ай бұрын
If only two provinces in the Netherlands have a better defence than England, that says a lot.. Really like Walker though, so tough to beat him as a winger
@elijahknox4421
@elijahknox4421 7 ай бұрын
​@jeroenwillems5188 2 provinces in the Netherlands has a better international football history than most countries in the world, including England
@michaelrimmer338
@michaelrimmer338 6 ай бұрын
@@elijahknox4421except the Netherlands have never won a trophy, so that’s nonsense.
@michaelryan8996
@michaelryan8996 6 ай бұрын
​@@michaelrimmer338Sorry mate but they won the Euros in 1988.
@Swisswavey
@Swisswavey 7 ай бұрын
I think if Unai Emery were England's manager we'd have a realistic shout at winning every tournament we entered. Southgate was the perfect man for building spirit and cohesion but is a couple of notches short of taking that final step.
@dustinmartin6524
@dustinmartin6524 7 ай бұрын
See this is the sort of thing thats mental to me. France are a much better squad than us. On their day so is Brazil
@haimainjauo242
@haimainjauo242 7 ай бұрын
How come national teams can hire foreign managers? I need a tifo investigation on that topic. England is ofcourse overrated and Southgate is mediocre at best. Look at how Belgium play nowadays and look at how every non-English football fan in the world thinks about the England national team
@ferferigel2822
@ferferigel2822 7 ай бұрын
This is the entire problem with England. They have an amazing squad, they could do with a better manager but in the world stage they are by no means top dog. Probably top 5 and should be competing for international trophies. But one manager change and you should be winning every competition you enter? What? The media, pundits and fans put a ridiculously unrealistic standard on this team. Winning tournaments is certainly not impossible for you but to expect it is not something any England team has been capable of delivering.
@Swisswavey
@Swisswavey 7 ай бұрын
@@ferferigel2822 I didn't say "winning", I said "realistic shout". Brazil, France, Argentina, and on their day Spain, England, all have a shout. I bet Italy and Germany think they do too. England's chances would be improved with a better cup specialist as a manager. That's all
@michaelrimmer338
@michaelrimmer338 6 ай бұрын
@@dustinmartin6524you seen Brazil’s latest results? Their worst team in my lifetime.
@roolaing
@roolaing 7 ай бұрын
Bellingham is *that good* that he made them 'appropriately rated' for the first time in my lifetime. Before that, there had always been better teams. I don't think they should beat France. And I don't think they'll outpass Spain, for eg. But with luck of the draw, they could win the Euros.
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
i think france will be the only team to really wory about. There are certainly some times that will still be scary like belgium, spain, croatia and maybe germany if they manage to get out their slump. But france is the real scare, Italy has lost their 2 experienced defenders which won them the euros last time so i dont think italy is much of a threat anymore.
@JohnJo-qn7wq
@JohnJo-qn7wq Ай бұрын
Mentally wins games
@TheAlb100
@TheAlb100 7 ай бұрын
I've literally never heard an English person seriously suggest that they're actually going to win. Everyone usually says "yeah well get to the quarter or semis and lose to the Germans on penalties again". That's what EVERYONE says about England and that's what happens (its not always Germany). They're not overrated they are well rated. A very strong side, but there are lots of very strong sides.
@sponish0
@sponish0 6 ай бұрын
tbf there isn't many very stong sides around now days? how many squadss are stronger than englands? is say only france
@TheAlb100
@TheAlb100 6 ай бұрын
I'd agree. Which is why you'd expect England to get to semi-finals of major tournaments which they are doing regularly now. International football is hard though - France are better, Argentina are tough to beat, Brazil underperformed but still have good players, Belgium, Portugal, Netherlands - you face any one of them on a one off occasion in knockout football and it'll be a tight, nevy game.@@sponish0
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
@@sponish0 Id say france is as good as or equal maybe slightly better. But france just like england also has a few teams they seem to play badly against. But i completley agree about other teams, there dosnt seem to be as much european dominance at the moment. Spain, italy and germany are all in a slump. But there are some teams that do show up to the occasion against top teams like the swiss, hungarians and serbs who generally just out of nowhere dominate the larger teams.
@markmatthews7202
@markmatthews7202 6 ай бұрын
'Why do they struggle in tournaments?' they don't? Semi, final, quarter is amazing for a team that went quarter, group stage, round of 16, at their previous three tournaments.
@654jimbob654
@654jimbob654 7 ай бұрын
On paper, I think only France have a better squad than England in Europe and there's still not much between them. The problem seems to be that the qualifiers and friendlies are so low-stakes that Southgate often fields weaker teams just to give fringe players a chance to prove themselves and try out different systems, meaning their actual best XI rarely actually plays in these games. France, by contrast, started a close to full-strength team in an inconsequential game against Gibraltar the other day. It's not challenging opposition but it's still useful to get everyone used to playing with each other in roles they don't usually play in at club level.
@jackchristensen3634
@jackchristensen3634 6 ай бұрын
To start your strongest 11 during an international break is also a massive risk, just because it’s Gibraltar doesn’t mean that those players couldn’t pick up injuries. Int. Managers are under massive pressure from clubs to not start their players in games btw
@deon_6
@deon_6 6 ай бұрын
@@jackchristensen3634 France and Argentina
@uzaidgurjee4798
@uzaidgurjee4798 6 ай бұрын
@@jackchristensen3634yes like Zairean Emery for France and Gali who is expected to miss euros all because he played a pointless game
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
@@deon_6 This is euros not the world.
@Al-ji4gd
@Al-ji4gd 4 ай бұрын
Portugal are also better than England.
@frazerlamb9016
@frazerlamb9016 7 ай бұрын
England had the pivot player to sit in front of the back four in Phillips but he chose to sit on the bench for a year and a half and completely derail his career 😅
@iikmanii2219
@iikmanii2219 7 ай бұрын
That baby was surprisingly eloquent today, hope he got his parent’s permission before appearing on KZfaq in a comical amount of shirts
@the-arkk
@the-arkk 7 ай бұрын
Tournament football is quite tricky. It's not as straightforward as league football. You won't usually win a tournament with attacking football but rather defensive solidity and effective attacking transitions. The key is to find the balance between Declan Rice & Kalvin Phillips.
@Billiamwoods
@Billiamwoods 7 ай бұрын
Especially in international football, since it's a second priority. It really struck me at the World Cup how simple and defensive most teams played in comparison to club football in the top 5 leagues. It's basically always been like that, but it probably got worse because of the timing of the tournament. I do think Southgate is scapegoated a little bit. Tournaments have an element of luck about them as well since you could have one bad day and your run is just over. Almost happened to Argentina before they won the whole WC. Southgate's player selection is rancid, but his results aren't actually bad on paper.
@the-arkk
@the-arkk 7 ай бұрын
@@Billiamwoods well said. Southgate has had a decent career, England are just one or two tactical tweaks away from dominating international football. People fail to realize that European teams have built much of their success on defensive stability and technical brilliance not attacking flair. If Southgate can balance the dynamics between Declan Rice & Kalvin Phillips player roles, it could make a whole lot of difference.
@hveisel
@hveisel 7 ай бұрын
I refuse to believe the hissing noise was heating. It's either a gasleak (which would explain a lot) or it's Joe hissing like an angry feline in the corner.
@maksudulhaque3227
@maksudulhaque3227 7 ай бұрын
The problem with England I personally think is the defense they are not consistent enough and the goal scoring department is a bit weak too. After harry kane you drop the level to callum wilson and tammy abraham.
@dummybirb3148
@dummybirb3148 6 ай бұрын
watkins>>
@andrewwootton1676
@andrewwootton1676 7 ай бұрын
Psychology is a big problem with the side, we need to believe in how good we are and there is no doubt in the squad quality. We need a little bit of luck too. Frankly we lost the last Euros on penalties the closest we've come since 66 (note to the Southgate hate mob) if it was for you lot we would still have big Sam in charge
@kennykeegan6499
@kennykeegan6499 7 ай бұрын
Giving the heating a mic was a great move lol. Love the content as usual 🤙
@factualanimation
@factualanimation 7 ай бұрын
Southgate has been England's best Manager this century and still gets massive criticism? I don't get it. Euros he lost on penalties, LITELARRY it can go either way on that. 2018 WC? Croatia were on fire! WC 2022? France almost won the whole thing! And France beating England is not a surprise, France is France! Being England Manager has to be the toughest job in Football. Draw against North Macedonia in a game that you have already qualified as number 1 and still get roasted. If I were Southgate, I'd have resigned a long time ago!
@JakeLeeYes
@JakeLeeYes 7 ай бұрын
Reuben looks so happy to be there. Not even a pretend laugh for JJ's hotel story. Just 'ok. brill.'
@HarrisaSports
@HarrisaSports 7 ай бұрын
JJ said "on a first name basis" about Trent and then proceeded to say Jude instead of Bellingham at every opportunity after 😂 😬
@mumandubula1788
@mumandubula1788 7 ай бұрын
England, France, Portugal and Spain have great teams right now it'll be fun to see them at the Euro's. England's only issue is balance, should they find the right squad balance then they'll take it, but if they don't then the media and the fans should not eat them up, tough luck try again.
@Darrenski
@Darrenski 7 ай бұрын
Well Spain look to be without gavi for a while and then its going to take him a long time to get back to his peak so I think that's Spain seriously hindered for the euros
@MrJackthelord
@MrJackthelord 7 ай бұрын
After the euphoria of 2018, 2020, and 2022 to an extent, Ive been an ardent Southgate fan. When people would say he needs to be sacked I would remind them that he's lead England the furthest into tournaments in decades and should be trusted. BUT, watching England since 2022 has changed my mind. We're slow, we're unimaginative, we cant make the best of our chances and seal the deal. We can only blame Southgate with players like Kane, Saka, Foden, Bellingham, Rice, Stones, Walker, and others at our disposal. There's never a good time to change managers, but I think if we stick with this one we'll "miss the boat" on this generation and it'll be another 20 years before we get close to any trophy.
@ashleygoggs5679
@ashleygoggs5679 6 ай бұрын
I dont think you should judge an internation team too much between tournaments. As this is generally the R&D time for managers to come up with new formats of play and also testing out newer players and seeing if they fit in the squad. I think the run up to the tournament is probably the time to really pay attention to them.
@kw2142
@kw2142 2 ай бұрын
replace him with who though exactly? until ppl can think of a better replacement not sure we should let go of him
@EvieWillNotDie
@EvieWillNotDie 7 ай бұрын
We have two top contenders for the Ballon d'or next year in Kane and Bellingham. Our squad isn't overrated, but to have any expectations of possible success with Southgate in charge is indeed overrating us.
@garyanderton
@garyanderton 7 ай бұрын
To say Bellingham is a candidate for the Ballon D'or after one season is bonkers. These are the statements people mean when they say England is a hype machine. Vinicius won the CL and La Liga, scoring and assisting over 44 goals in 50 games, then followed that up with better numbers the next season, but couldn't even get into the top 5. Bellingham will have a hard time
@EvieWillNotDie
@EvieWillNotDie 7 ай бұрын
@@garyanderton that's literally what the ballon d'or is based off of? 1 season? He's Madrid's main man? If they win the champions league why wouldn't he win it? I don't understand why you are breathing :c vini is overrated af too but that's besides the point.
@DanielGiuseppeDiNiro
@DanielGiuseppeDiNiro 7 ай бұрын
... until Messi wins the Wallmart Trophy. Then, he will be awarded with his 9th BdO
@EvieWillNotDie
@EvieWillNotDie 7 ай бұрын
@@DanielGiuseppeDiNiro what? Why are you saying something so silly?
@MrLYPH
@MrLYPH 7 ай бұрын
@@DanielGiuseppeDiNiro yep, messi will win concacaf and the OAPs trophy so therefore he must win the balon dor.
@solentforest
@solentforest 7 ай бұрын
Love the Castolo 9 PES reference in the background!
@matf6661
@matf6661 7 ай бұрын
England have a great attack but are let down by a quite poor defence and a strong defence is what wins tournaments.
@Whoami691
@Whoami691 6 ай бұрын
England had a strong defense for years and never won a thing. You win tournaments with both.
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 7 ай бұрын
I'm surprised it didn't come up during the video when you talked about not facing strong opposition, but I think we've got the luck of the draw with regards to the two international friendlies in March; one against Brazil and the other against Belgium. Hopefully those two games will offer a relatively low-risk way to test the team and manager prior to the Euros.
@lucabrasi3964
@lucabrasi3964 7 ай бұрын
God bless Allah!!!
@hao2000ki
@hao2000ki 6 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, Brazil under Diniz is under turmoil and Belgium is not a good side. You'd genuinely have a better fight against Uruguay instead of Brazil without Neymar
@timmy5876
@timmy5876 6 ай бұрын
this is the real golden generation, we’ve always had a few positions in the starting 11 that have let us down but now we’re literally set. The only not great positions in our team is our second centre back and the keeper, other than that we have a borderline world class player in all 9 other positions in the team. The problem is our manager isn’t top tier, there’s not many who are at international level but we have a lot of city and arsenal players in the 11 so why not play how they play at club level instead of playing a boring style
@trevorlorimer219
@trevorlorimer219 7 ай бұрын
JJ same thing happened me on a stag do, I just slept in the hallway until daybreak.
@clobbopus_used_beat
@clobbopus_used_beat 7 ай бұрын
The truth about England's rating is that it's relative to every other country. 4 is a good spot for them because, on England's best day, every team 5 and lower is half as good and they have the pieces to beat every team above them. If they win the euros next year and won the world cup back in 2022 or in 2026 no one would be surprised.
@allandavids9284
@allandavids9284 7 ай бұрын
I would be surprised
@franciscomarcelino1251
@franciscomarcelino1251 7 ай бұрын
Since when is "Portugal half as good" as England?
@juanpabloperezgomez4349
@juanpabloperezgomez4349 7 ай бұрын
Love that Castolo shirt in the background.
@TheFlyingEpergne
@TheFlyingEpergne 7 ай бұрын
i think southgate just needs to bring someone in to assist with tactics cuz hes good for the squad and gets them playing as a team its just not exceptional tactics which is the last thing missing from england
@tommylee4350
@tommylee4350 7 ай бұрын
I honestly don't think they play as a team. Especially in the game I just watched. Both wingers and Foden taking too many touches trying to tee themselves up when the should be moving the ball around. Players seem greedy. I will agree though the teams wasn't like that a year or 2 ago.
@manvesh97
@manvesh97 7 ай бұрын
He already has that, his assistant manager was the assistant manager to Mourinho and Conte at Chelsea
@imso2kl4skl
@imso2kl4skl 7 ай бұрын
Why is saka always left out of the mentions on Englands best player? Literally always outperforms foden for England but they act like foden is the future when Sakas been better and is younger. Never mind he’s won England player of the year 2 years in a row
@goodputin4324
@goodputin4324 7 ай бұрын
Saka is Nigerian
@LoyalFan9383
@LoyalFan9383 7 ай бұрын
@@goodputin4324born in England so he’s both but chose to play for England, Deffo the same person that says the French national team are all Africans
@neemnoa303
@neemnoa303 7 ай бұрын
@@goodputin4324 How is that? He was born in Ealing, went to primary school and high school in Greenford, lived all his life in England and is capped 31 times for the English senior team.
@silverhost9782
@silverhost9782 7 ай бұрын
Because Kane has always been better. Bellingham is better at the moment too
@goodputin4324
@goodputin4324 7 ай бұрын
@@LoyalFan9383 doesn't matter. He is Nigerian so he should play for the Black Eagles
@adamquinn5812
@adamquinn5812 6 ай бұрын
Can you please do a video on why no team can consistently keep clean sheets this year in the PL
@aidanlynn
@aidanlynn 7 ай бұрын
Le Tissier and now Ward-Prowse, did the FA have something against Southampton players?
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
This has been a failing of every England manager going back decades, always going with the perceived "safe" option rather than taking someone along like Ward-Prowse who can pull a rabbit out of the hat. It is a crime against football that Le Tissier was not an England regular, up there with preferring Lampard and Gerrard over Scholes, despite the evidence that that combination just did not work.
@zirbto5749
@zirbto5749 7 ай бұрын
so who are you dropping for him palmer foden henderson or gallagher?
@saoirsedeltufo7436
@saoirsedeltufo7436 7 ай бұрын
@@zirbto5749 Henderson easily
@zirbto5749
@zirbto5749 7 ай бұрын
@@saoirsedeltufo7436 and thats the problem now only two defensive midfielders are left for 2 positions in the starting 11. ward prowse wants bellinghams position not the positon next to rice.
@andyhx
@andyhx 7 ай бұрын
No-one suggesting Ward Prowse would start, just that he might be an ace up the sleeve if needed.
@Breeze954
@Breeze954 7 ай бұрын
Glad that story at the end is immortalized on the internet
@jkkchow74
@jkkchow74 7 ай бұрын
What does the last part got to do with the video and question?
@mwaka4876
@mwaka4876 7 ай бұрын
Asking a question you already know the answer to is nasty work 🤣
@badabing8884
@badabing8884 6 ай бұрын
Yes, in tournament football especially away from home.
@gbhgvhgbh
@gbhgvhgbh 7 ай бұрын
JJ is running rings around this fella
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 7 ай бұрын
Guest is so soporific and uninspiring, a really depressing fella. So a good representation of England nt really.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
Is he? He’s just rude tbh.
@johnrockyryan
@johnrockyryan 6 ай бұрын
​@@CMJames what cause he's speaking the truth 57 years since you won a trophy and that trophy was one cause it was rigged, Bellingham is your only hope if he can't then your fucked forever
@ethanwhite2274
@ethanwhite2274 7 ай бұрын
I don't like that Southgate keeps picking his favourites that aren't performing and isn't picking players who are on form. I give him credit for giving me great memories of supporting England
@bowlofcinder482
@bowlofcinder482 7 ай бұрын
England fans have said the exact same thing for like 40 years waffle
@lead111
@lead111 7 ай бұрын
How many shirts is rueben wearing?
@HappyBirthday0707
@HappyBirthday0707 7 ай бұрын
I agree with pretty much everything said here but if England are facing “easy” opposition in qualifying and group stages doesn’t that by definition mean that the team isn’t overrated but is just objectively good? You can only beat what’s in front of you? If England breeze past other teams that aren’t a challenge but only face the big boys (teams we wouldn’t necessarily be expected to easily beat - France, Argentina Brazil etc.) rarely, then that’s surely an argument that we are actually a very good side, rather than an impediment to our performing on the big stage?
@KindredBrujah
@KindredBrujah 6 ай бұрын
Yes, but if the expectation is that England win every tournament they enter, but they never do so, wouldn't that make them overrated? They're not better than France, they're not better than Brazil, they're traditionally not better than Germany or Portugal (though they probably are better than the current squads of both).
@michaelrimmer338
@michaelrimmer338 6 ай бұрын
@@KindredBrujahlooks at Brazil’s results recent results. England are better than them currently.
@KindredBrujah
@KindredBrujah 6 ай бұрын
@@michaelrimmer338 Brazil play against a higher calibre of opposition generally. There are a lot of good teams in South America.
@michaelryan8996
@michaelryan8996 6 ай бұрын
​@@KindredBrujahWell if you consider the last World Cup of 1 year ago, Peru were eliminated by Australia in the play-offs, and of the 4 qualified South American nations, two of those Uruguay and Ecuador failed to get out of their groups. I do think that Uruguay are much better than that performance but as a continent there is not the same level of opposition for both Argentina and Brazil compared to Europe. If we list all the South American nations: Argentina Brazil Uruguay Ecuador Colombia Peru Bolivia Paraguay Venezuela then list the (approximate) 9 top European nations: France Portugal England Spain Belgium Netherlands Denmark Croatia Italy I think Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay compete well against the 9 Europeans but the rest would struggle badly.
@KindredBrujah
@KindredBrujah 6 ай бұрын
@@michaelryan8996 Right, but England rarely play any other top European opposition in qualifying due to seeding.
@perro4996
@perro4996 7 ай бұрын
They can win next year. The manager is not the best and the defense is not solid. But I think they have a chance in Germany with Bellingham and Kane.
@jackkarran8050
@jackkarran8050 7 ай бұрын
Eze really needs to make the squad, huge game changer
@ezernouri2297
@ezernouri2297 7 ай бұрын
where is JJ from?
@edinan9
@edinan9 7 ай бұрын
I'm a 26 y/o brazillian, and this is definitly the best squad england has had during my lifetime, possibly the best squad in the world right now. In the past the english supporters overrated the the squads, but i don't think it's the case this time around.
@BarryWellman-bv2fq
@BarryWellman-bv2fq 7 ай бұрын
I'm a 79 year old Englishman and this is the best squad playing the best football of any England side I've ever seen including the 1966 team.
@wackwatcher5414
@wackwatcher5414 6 ай бұрын
In my recent memory winning international teams have been built around their best players and play to their strengths. Mbappe was given a pivot in Giroud and played counter attacking football. Messi given a free role for Argentina etc. Does this England team play to the strengths of our best players? It feels like we play to the strengths of players like Maguire with a deep line and focusing on set pieces
@vampirebadger95
@vampirebadger95 7 ай бұрын
How are the comments not dominated by discussion around JJ's hotel story
@darragho6358
@darragho6358 7 ай бұрын
This is some of the best tifo content in ages
@jackbilo2819
@jackbilo2819 7 ай бұрын
As a Portuguese person i believe that i can provide the best insight into this question. England are a top 5 team. They are not favorites even though I prefer them being favorites as it puts more pressure than they already have. In terms of starting 11 they are very good. In terms of 23 man squad they are behind Portugal. If you compare both England and Portugal and you take off the english bias the teams are very close.
@i-am-mercurial
@i-am-mercurial 6 ай бұрын
Lol nah
@OffYourTrees
@OffYourTrees 6 ай бұрын
I get this sentiment from the perception that England are arrogant and overconfident but the reality is we've gotten to the semi's and finals of the last 2 Euro's, were unfortunate to get knocked out by France in the last tournament, have two world class players in Kane and Bellingham and saying our 23 man squad is behind Portugal is madness. The only place England are sort of weak is DMF, Portugal have a massive LB weakness. The big issue is Southgate will never win us anything unless we get lucky like you did in 2016.
@jackbilo2819
@jackbilo2819 6 ай бұрын
@@OffYourTrees Portugal is better at gk, cb both left and right, lb, dm, lw and st.
@Omar_Little
@Omar_Little 7 ай бұрын
the hotel need to release footage of a drunk JJ wandering around the gym at 4am trying to escape
@callumraza5046
@callumraza5046 6 ай бұрын
From an Australian perspective, I would say its clearly just a matter of when not if they win a tournament in the next 10 years. Haters just hate when it comes to England
@hao2000ki
@hao2000ki 6 ай бұрын
I mean here's a thought. Can we agree that English teams in the Premier League are good because of sound tactical setups? None of the top teams heavily rely on individual brilliance like teams used to in the past to win trophies. And so, all these top players shine BECAUSE they play in a heavy tactical setup and they are allowed to shine in that way. Now what happens when you put all these players who used these tactical setups to shine and step up into the limelight into a much more free flowing and expressive international setup because of the limitations of what you can achieve in training for international football? I'd argue that a lot of these players who seemed like they were "world class" are now a shadow of their former selves not because of southgate's tactics, but because they simply aren't made for international football. In that ideal starting XI, how many of them can you list who are HEAVILY relied on by their clubs and play is literally centered around them leading their clubs to victory? Kane? Even Kane doesn't do that anymore in Bayern and while he did do it in Spurs, Spurs never got anywhere. Bellingham? Not really. He's set up by Ancelotti to play in advance positions to take advantage of his eye for goal, but often in games, he doesn't actually contribute too much outside of being in good positions to score the winner. Obviously it's great for a player to do that, but he's not a playmaker or someone who can break defenses by himself. Then you look at a squad like France. They are built like an international team because of their heavy reliance on Plan A Griezmann and Plan B Mbappe. They are the ones to lead the team forward. If you look at their club positions, Atleti also heavily relies on Griezmann's individual brilliance to carry them forward and PSG once solely relied on their front three of Mbappe, Messi, Neymar to make everything happen in the game. This was what defined a great player in the traditional sense, players who the team can rely on on a regular and consistent basis and in times of need. Someone like a Grealish for Villa before he joined City and became another pawn for Pep. England doesn't have that kind of player and I'd argue that if you want to continue being a top team and a powerful force like France is, you need at least one of those players. The exception to the rule seems to be Spain, but if you look at Spain when they were dominant, they were able to play club football precisely the Spanish core was the Barcelona core. You're never going to have that in England because the players are all relatively spread out and more and more foreign players are entering the Premier League and taking up spots of previously English players in top teams. And when you look at Spain, who they're relying on again in the next 5-10 years, and what clubs they're likely playing for again, I'd argue that they are going to have a better chance than England to win anything serious if England doesn't win a trophy soon. La Liga domination by the two Spanish giants is good for Spain. Premier League "diversity" is not for England. So yes, England is overrated if people act like they need to be winning everything and that they would "smash Argentina and Brazil if they didn't get knocked out by France". Massively overrated. Also, England should be looking to rely on Kane and Bellingham a lot more as they are on foreign soil and they won't be given preferential treatment heaps of prasie just because they are English
@Nitro5335
@Nitro5335 7 ай бұрын
If Bellingham and Kane weren't in the team, any premier league team in the top 8 (atm) would eat them for breakfast.
@Prypyatify
@Prypyatify 7 ай бұрын
As an England fan (sadly), I think this video is pretty spot on about how international football works - we are probably reliant on luck and Bellingham/Kane being amazing PS; Reuben was close but Portugal did beat one team in Euro 2016 in 90 mins (Wales)
@sthill1993
@sthill1993 7 ай бұрын
'Overrated' is a pretty meaningless word, I see it as a soundbite for those whose opinions on England are not particularly deep. Are England good? I'd say so. I don't think they're the best team, France are certainly better, Argentina probably better, the likes of Brazil, Portugal, Spain etc around the same level at the moment.
@sthill1993
@sthill1993 7 ай бұрын
I know JJ is Scottish and I wouldn't expect him to like England, but I do feel he spouts a few too many of the clichés that grind my gears.
@bigrandomun9267
@bigrandomun9267 7 ай бұрын
Trent is too good not to have in the squad and Henderson shouldn’t be in the squad at all so that makes sense. Plus helps with possession and counter attack whilst Trippier, Stones and Rice can cover him defensively.
@tomb4411
@tomb4411 7 ай бұрын
England are playing Brazil and Belgium next March in friendlies they need to put out their best 11 and play open football to show good they can be against top teams.
@messicomps344
@messicomps344 7 ай бұрын
People keep saying Southgate is bad but who are you going to appoint? The best managers are in club football
@azapro911
@azapro911 7 ай бұрын
Yep, we are. What hardly anybody does is ask themselves an honest question: how many England players are likely to be a catalyst in leading their team to a trophy? Bellingham could be on that level but it's still one guy who'd have to carry the load and stay injury free all the time.
@yooj11
@yooj11 7 ай бұрын
The only thing that I got from this video is to always remember the hotel keycard.
@jakelfc3472
@jakelfc3472 7 ай бұрын
Arguably with Southgate not selecting Sterling because he doesn't know who to leave out - England are overrated, due to the fact it signalling the England boss not ambitiously wanting to improve the team with 3 defenders at the back or a more robust attack that can interchange centrally not just up front (centrally - which would still be great). In the last Euros English pundits were saying that England fans had a golden age of footballers to come, and they are certainly not overrated.
@MBMackie89
@MBMackie89 6 ай бұрын
France are by far the best European team right now, England are more akin to Portugal who also have a lop sided squad loaded with talent but always seem to struggle in tournaments against quality opposition
@mohdshaheem37
@mohdshaheem37 6 ай бұрын
The rise of Bellingham will be what England have missed all these years to win trophies. They will definitely win no doubts sooner or later.
@B_razzer
@B_razzer 7 ай бұрын
100% overrated. No world class keeper, no world class left back, maybe 1 world class CB (not Stones, he’s a very good footballer not very good defender).
@davidknell8831
@davidknell8831 6 ай бұрын
Sterling back in form should defo be in the mix! Why he’s not had a mention is ridiculous(In my humble opinion)
@Stephenheaven7
@Stephenheaven7 7 ай бұрын
“The EV: Expected Vibes” 🤣🤣
@notharveyweinstein3235
@notharveyweinstein3235 7 ай бұрын
Rakitic wasn't a part of the Croatia '22 team. At least I don't think. He was huge in '18 but the midfield 3 was Modric, Brozovic and Kovacic in Qatar. Majer being the 4th man getting minutes in the midfield.
@davyliciousable
@davyliciousable 7 ай бұрын
mmh, expected a bit more elaborated work in this video :D felt more like a pub talk
@Duckiman
@Duckiman 7 ай бұрын
IMO England lack two things that are needed for winning an international tournament 1) a creative midfielder that can dictate tempo (e.g. Modric, Griezmann, Iniesta, Pirlo, etc etc) and 2) mentality to win penalty shoot-outs.
@1jon211
@1jon211 7 ай бұрын
Trent isnt the one in midfield on the evidence so far. Unless hes playing there for liverpool, i wouldnt throw him in there for England
@jonathanbolger6173
@jonathanbolger6173 7 ай бұрын
I think England have underperformed from a mental perspective for the longest time. They are actually getting better at it, but fundamentally they always seem to shrink on the big occasions. They always have the quality, it's mentality that seems to let them down. The thing that could change that over the next few years is Mr Bellingham. I think that he really has the mentality and the leadership to impact the rest of the team, he seems the one genuine big personality that England have been missing. They always have the most professional, hard working teams but Bellingham has that plus that confidence and mentality. That's at least how it looks to me.
@albertbrammer9263
@albertbrammer9263 6 ай бұрын
With the grouping at the Euros, we are likely to meet France before the final.
@TelecastPropellor96
@TelecastPropellor96 6 ай бұрын
JJ doing his best DJ Wayne Carr impression
@mattegan3439
@mattegan3439 7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that hissing noise was a sanke.
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 7 ай бұрын
JJ covers album drop when
@alitem3364
@alitem3364 7 ай бұрын
Mr. Bean situation happening with JJ over there
@lukakrzisnik7946
@lukakrzisnik7946 6 ай бұрын
"They don't get tested outside of hig tournaments" - neither do Spain, France, or Germany, yet it doesn't seem to bother them as much ...
@sutejasastra
@sutejasastra 7 ай бұрын
you should talk abt Turkiye under Montela showing menacing attack without big names.
@andrewsouth1696
@andrewsouth1696 7 ай бұрын
This was the most awkward first date I’ve ever seen.
@danrono9725
@danrono9725 7 ай бұрын
Audio??
@thargoff
@thargoff 7 ай бұрын
A tournament is as much about individuals and teams but mainly about squad depth as well. That's where England is also among the top nations.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
I really don’t think England have great depth. You go from Kane to who? Ollie Watkins? I would side in wide areas they have depth and that’s it.
@thargoff
@thargoff 7 ай бұрын
@@CMJames 80% of teams don’t even have that.
@Tomwithnonumbers
@Tomwithnonumbers 7 ай бұрын
England lack squad cohesion - Germany, France and Spain have a lot of players who play for one or two teams. They can follow the style of that one team and most players will have practiced it
@silverhost9782
@silverhost9782 7 ай бұрын
And yet Germany are still crap. Clearly not a very important factor
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
@@silverhost9782Germany are crap for now. I bet they manage to get it together for a tournament at home. Germany have a strong record of doing well, England are starting from zero
@silverhost9782
@silverhost9782 7 ай бұрын
@@CMJames You're definitely much more optimistic than any German fan i've seen
@sthill1993
@sthill1993 7 ай бұрын
@@CMJames Germany have been eliminated earlier than England in each of the last 3 tournaments, 1 of those because they were defeated by... England. Their recent form is mixed, at best.
@CMJames
@CMJames 7 ай бұрын
@@silverhost9782I’m not German, I’m English. I’m just not a delusional fool
@clubboy133
@clubboy133 7 ай бұрын
Portugal got through to the final having won one game in 90 and that was against Wales.
@bigc181
@bigc181 7 ай бұрын
England could have a run like that, and they'd still bottle the final (See previous Euros).
@habtomgoitom1857
@habtomgoitom1857 7 ай бұрын
What about spain and germany dominating and winning throughout tornaments in the past.
@kw2142
@kw2142 2 ай бұрын
why not play Stones in midfield?
@larrylurex1129
@larrylurex1129 6 ай бұрын
Yes, and have been for decades. This current squad has one or two world class players, several very good ones, then the rest are just decent for international levels. There are however currently not a out and put world class national team out there. So England are compatible with a lot of countries. They are in a bunch of about 8-10 teams who are at least as good as England, some slightly better.
@youwillneverknow8643
@youwillneverknow8643 7 ай бұрын
I keep laughing at how JJ sounds like, he is trolling the whole time when he is agreeing with Ruben and Ruben doesn’t know to take it seriously or not.
@dclan9813
@dclan9813 7 ай бұрын
Since 2018 I don't think they are overrated. It's just their extreme unluckiness and bottle job in a big tournament that loses them the favor. I think they are like Manchester City did in UCL competition before 2022/2023 winning season. Which always bottling in the knockout stages, even when facing "the might Lyon" or Chelsea with Mason Mount as their key player in the UCL final. Hot take: with current squad, if National Team trophy use 38 match day format like league football, I think England would at least win 1 trophy in last 6 years. But they are doomed with current knockout stages format of National Team tournament and I don't think they will win anytime soon (unless they finally broken the jinx like Man City did in UCL last season).
@RacoonInstaboss
@RacoonInstaboss 7 ай бұрын
Gallagher is absolutelly class, he can cover for Jude while he's doing his thing
@eamonreidy9534
@eamonreidy9534 7 ай бұрын
No but they are going to struggle to win a trophy picking certain players like mistake prone Maguire.
@athreyathandeswaran7510
@athreyathandeswaran7510 7 ай бұрын
Pickford Reece - Stones - Colwill - Shaw Cole - Rice - Jude Saka - Kane - Rashford/Phil
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