Timber Frame vs Conventional Stick Frame

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Can't make it to our in-person timber frame class? Take your first (FREE!) step into timber framing with our Online Mini Course - onlinecourses.shelterinstitut...
People often ask us what the difference is between timber frame construction and conventional stick frame construction and which is better. If you are planning to build and trying to pick what style of framing is best for you, unfortunately, there is no simple answer you can reason your way through a decision by knowing more. In this clip, Pat Hennin provides a series of points.
We believe this is the most accessible and comprehensive timber framing education you can find on the Internet, and we are so excited for this course to be available.
Here are two pieces of feedback we think really sum up why we created this online course:
“…thank you for finally putting this online. I am a busy working mom without the opportunity to travel to Maine…I’ve been lurking on your website for years hoping to squeeze a class into the family vacation schedule, but have been out of luck. This will be great! I can’t wait to get started!”
“...I am very excited to see and participate in the online course. Just watching the teaser videos I gleaned some gems that I somehow missed when I took the in person Post and Beam course. I think both methods will have their benefits...so glad I was able to take the in person class (interacting with the staff and building relationships with like minded folks is amazing!) but really looking forward to seeing what you all will be presenting with the online format."
We really appreciate the votes of confidence on this new way to teach timber framing.
See you in the course,
- Pat, Gaius & Blueberry

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@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

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@randyrussell6246 4 жыл бұрын

I have built for many decades, hundreads of structures , most every type of log home, post and beam to include conventional . There is a a time and place for each type and method with the many products that go with them. It takes months or years just to master even one of the trades but much longer to be a qualified builder. Having to meet the different codes of each state, county and or city and the codes for ever and ever changing will take far more than a five day course. I do agree that one can build their on house and save lots of money but that depends on the person and their circumstances. I disagree totally about the structural integrity part of this video. I would suggest learning all conventional carpentry first and then move on to beam works and or log works.

@j.r.millstone 4 жыл бұрын

@assassinlexx look into ancient Japanese beam construction. ancient Japanese buildings were made with wood-to-wood joinery and no nails and still stand today even though it's a highly earthquake prone area.

@CASH-TO-THE-MERE101 4 жыл бұрын

Shelter Institute 👍

@davidbeppler3032 4 жыл бұрын

@assassinlexx modern earthquakes require modern solutions? Build underground on high ground. No more problems. Immune to earthquakes, tornadoes, and fires.

@randyrussell6246 4 жыл бұрын

@ Grant Johnson. Surely you are not saying that I'm a shill for big construction ? I have had many home owner / build it their selves come to me halfway through building their homes or additions to help them, major works in place needing to be taken out from the roof down to the footings, two homes on unstable soil and sinking, dozens of issues. Most of these good people had one common denominator - a person who knew enough to be dangerous for them, a Carpenter or Carpenters helper or another tradesman . People that meant well but found themselves in a world of shit! I have helped a few in my life , worked for low wages for the best and nothing for the worst. I love the can do rugged spirt of American individualism but don't be a penny wise and a pound foolish or bite off more than you can chew. If you have the help and know how to permit and build your house like many do then go for it ! Maybe you have the ways and means to do parts of the work, say the finishes such as drywall ,painting, finish trim and or cabinet's , maybe set windows and installation of the siding or building the decks. There are no codes for the paint job or if your window trim doesn't fit perfectly and most would never know it but you. I am not for big construction when it comes to residential and for those that have or will bite off more than you can chew remember this " you will be stronger for what doesn't kill ya"

@Heraclitean 3 жыл бұрын

I'm starting to get the feeling this guy prefers timber frame construction.

@carrydedier9952 3 жыл бұрын

The hints are subtle but they are there

@miles11we 3 жыл бұрын

@@trollisourbriteeggs6282 it was a joke, you knob

@youngillinoisan4270 3 жыл бұрын

Probably because that’s the best way to build a house that will last

@Chris-iz2zh 3 жыл бұрын

Gee i wonder why...

@mygraphicprocess365 3 жыл бұрын

@@youngillinoisan4270 I wonder why Americans don't often build brick houses. In my country stick construction is basically unknown and mostly brick houses are build covered with styrofoam for isolation.

@75blackviking 9 ай бұрын

Is it just me, or are those small model frames the coolest coffee table centerpiece? They're like artwork.

@Broken_robot1986 8 ай бұрын

I think every house should have a tiny replica house inside.

@75blackviking 8 ай бұрын

@@Broken_robot1986 "Houseception"...

@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 8 ай бұрын

@@75blackviking Xzihibt - "I heard you like houses inside houses"

@steamhelsing9440 8 ай бұрын

architecture and scale modeling are indeed, art

@sullysullivan1282 7 ай бұрын

I used to have one. I just ended up with it somehow, I don't even know. I enjoyed having it around (it was huge though, like a 2' cube) until my former stepmom chucked it into a dumpster because she sucked.

@Chris11249 11 ай бұрын

Also fire resistance. Thick wood takes longer to burn through, whereas 2x4 are quick to burn through and you have a collapse sooner. Also less salvageable. Great video.

@oftin_wong 8 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised how quickly a fire consumes a building

@oftin_wong 8 ай бұрын

@@crispycream6882 once you've see how quickly a building goes up because of the containment of the heat inside the space you'd understand

@kickittillitworks5357 7 ай бұрын

As a firefighter, from experience and from the book. Heavy timber frame (Type 3 construction) with stands heat so much better than the modern houses today. The modern homes today are so scary, and once they catch fire, they’re done

@nhitc6832 4 ай бұрын

it still doesn't negate the fact that thicker woods are better at fire resistance. @@oftin_wong

@oftin_wong 4 ай бұрын

@@nhitc6832 sure...buy think about how often you've seen buildings that are still used with charred timbers inside them ...can you remember seeing even one ?

@mtpocketswoodenickle2637 4 жыл бұрын

I've spent the last thirty + years doing barn and historical building's restoration. Nothing matches the elegance of a hand hewn, timbers framed structure. I live daily with the satisfaction knowing my work will be enjoyed and utilized for generations to come. Leaving my mark, and preserving the iconic American landscape of the pioneers and our ancestors have left me blessed.

@bb-sd8eg 4 жыл бұрын

MTpockets Woodenickle I tip my hat to you sir. 10 years in the business and working I get a deep sense of satisfaction when handling 100 year old timbers. Even when hung as aesthetics in mc mansions in Vail / Aspen.

@pixelatedmushroom 4 жыл бұрын

Not with all those SIP panels on it

@meatsmell8639 3 жыл бұрын

@àsper Sounds kinda like you're proposing that lots of people should be killed off, specifically anyone you deem materialistic/don't agree with... treadin on dangerous ground there friend.

@mbabcock111 3 жыл бұрын

@àsper your notions are simply a myth. overpopulationisamyth.com/episode-1-overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth/

@mbabcock111 3 жыл бұрын

@àsper have an open mind; you may be wrong in your assumptions. www.humanprogress.org/topic/dead-wrong-series/

@chrisguevara 4 жыл бұрын

Can someone please tell him that no one can live in a house that small!!! It has to be at least 5 times bigger. My god.

@danemccloskey1290 4 жыл бұрын

Shaaron Elisha lol I’m dying 🤣

@slothmarathonpromotions2470 4 жыл бұрын

A home with a floor area of 2 sq. ft. Is. a little cramped but you get used to it.

@theycallmefrench 4 жыл бұрын

@[The] White Rabbit It's a Zoolander quote. He is surely joking.

@kayalex5940 4 жыл бұрын

Hence the Tiny House craze.

@gooddrugsfarm9105 4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha I don't know why I can't stop laughing at this comment!

@Omlet221 3 жыл бұрын

KZfaq algorithm: “You wanna learn the difference between timber and stick frames?”

@dodgeguyz 3 жыл бұрын

I know, where was this when I was researching building my shed? No where,. but 4 years later it shows up!

@gyrotech777 3 жыл бұрын

Hell ya!

@Blank3tM0nst3r 3 жыл бұрын

I legit tapped on this video thinking it was from the Onion. The channel icon got me

@dcm4n261 3 жыл бұрын

YES I DO

@WallesWillerWalla 3 жыл бұрын

It's interesting though, because I'm just about to tear down my old kitchen (standalone building) and build a new stick-framed building. I haven't done any related searches.

@--Paws-- 4 жыл бұрын

I remember watching a home renovation show and it showed this method of "timber framing". I asked myself why that house had less materials used compared to the "stick framing" method, I often see in other renovations. Thank you for the explanation. The timber frame method reminds me of the cabin style houses and even the traditional Japanese houses.

@patdud 9 ай бұрын

we dont have access to the mass amounts of virgin and old trees to create homes of this type anymore as its almost all been logged

@justalonelypoteto 8 ай бұрын

@@patdud that's the trade-off, I'm no expert but I would trust what was said in that 2x4s are likely not the most insulating thing out there. Timber will use much less wood in many cases, I'm sure, but as you said, 2x4s are much easier to make and come by in your average tree than a massive timber framing piece due to continuous size requirements. That said, timber framing looks awesome, and surely a part of this cost increase can also be attributed to the fact that stick framing is almost certainly much more common on the prefab market than a timber, and that likely lowers the average cost of stick framing by a significant amount (what I mean is that it seems like the fact that if a hosue is timber-built, it's much more likely to be a custom job than if it's a stick one, and custom jobs have inherently significantly higher costs)

@daveatfullcircleutub 3 жыл бұрын

I took the home builder class back in the late nineties. We helped to frame up one of the sons home and another project further up the coast. I bought a few of the best Japanese pull saws and chisels I’ve ever had. Back then I got a room at local landscaper’s house. It was a special trip.

@Ididerus 4 жыл бұрын

Cost, cost is the reason we build with dimensional lumber. You can get a whole bunk of 2x4s for the cost of one timber

@Luckingsworth 4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Timber makes sense if you own the trees as he said. But out here in the midwest where 90% of land is plains. 2x4s are the way to go.

@brogcooper25 4 жыл бұрын

Thought there must be a reason.

@vii7031 4 жыл бұрын

Do americans mostly build their homes with 2x4s? That seems far too flimsy and uninsulated for my liking.

@johnthiessen4749 4 жыл бұрын

Иван VII. 2x6 exterior walls, sometimes 2x8. Interior is 2x4. Usually 2x8 - 2x12 floor joist and a mixture of 2x4 and 2x6 for the trusses. Cover that with cheap 1/4” - 3/8” OSB and you’re set.

@OldNew45 4 жыл бұрын

So go somewhere and get them.

@stevebilliter 4 жыл бұрын

I worked as a carpenter for over 25 years and never had a chance to build a timber frame home. It really looks like it would be fun to build. I built one post and beam, we called it, where the trusses on 2' centers lined up with 2x6 studs on exactly the same layout--it was quite a strong structure.

@jtltet 4 жыл бұрын

There's a lot more wood that goes into the timber frame than what is shown in this video. Before the SIPS go on the roof it would have t&g boards spanning across the trusses to support the SIPS panels depending on how far apart they are spaced. Of course the big factor when deciding between timber frame vs traditional stick frame is cost. Timber frames are much more expensive than traditional framed homes.

@Zardoz2293 Жыл бұрын

Yes, but in his models displayed neither has a roof. Even on a stick home you can use SIPS. Perhaps the major problem with timber frame is having access to the dimensions of lumber you need to build it, many homes now use 6x6 as 2x6@3 due to costs and availability.

@scottsthaname1 8 ай бұрын

Don't forget you will still have to frame in windows and doors and any vent/plumbing/electrical... and to frame that in you'll have to fill in those voids to attach it to the structure... this is like when people try and tell you shipping container homes are cheap... then you go to make one and realize it cost about 3x as much unless you just want a tin can with bed in it and black mold on the walls... the reason everyone builds houses like they do is because it's better.

@justalonelypoteto 8 ай бұрын

@@scottsthaname1 ...which wouldn't even be allowed for all I know. Maybe this is just a California thing (I'm European so I don't know a lot about how y'all build), but I eagerly watched "The Modern Home Project", a guy making a few AirBnB's out of shipping containers back when that was the cool thing to do, and was surprised at the fact that they had to basically build an entire house inside the container. Seems like construction laws will require you to make something that cannot simply collapse on itself due to owner neglect, as in if you sold this thing on and the new owner didn't know (or care) to repaint the steel every once in a while, and as a result the roof caved in on them after 3 years because the welds rusted

@luke2806 7 ай бұрын

its expensive because nobody does it.

@737smartin 7 ай бұрын

@@luke2806 Maybe nobody does it because it is expensive.

@ZacchaeusNifong 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know how KZfaq knew that I wanted to see this, but I'm so happy that it did. I'm hooked.

@xxcurtisx21x 4 жыл бұрын

"Gypsum palace" I died. lol

@boracay12 4 жыл бұрын

Yup ,true too wall to wall gypsum

@dangerdavefreestyle 4 жыл бұрын

heavy ass panels of chalk all over the place, uy vey!

@thomag1776 4 жыл бұрын

xxcurtisx21x Also know as a vinyl palace.

@livedandletdie 4 жыл бұрын

J Sev, gypsum isn't toxic... it's a fucking food additive... Gypsum boards are dumb due to other reasons, but toxicity ain't one.

@jhart7304 3 жыл бұрын

@@livedandletdie sure it is. try breathing the dust for a while and get back to me.

@wadeshimojo 4 жыл бұрын

Ever since I saw that movie Witness with Harrison Ford I've always wanted to build a timber house. Super cool!

@Crusader1815 4 жыл бұрын

When you're Amish, you don't need things like wiring, plumbing, and HVAC, so, enjoy.

@rawkinghorse 4 жыл бұрын

@Da Squirrel D'oeth!

@Banryu95 4 жыл бұрын

I grew up in Lancaster, a couple miles from where that movie was filmed. The Amish are not as idyllic as they were once portrayed to be, and most have taken up more traditional construction methods. Most newly built barns and homesteads are quite sleek and modern. I guess they are still maintaining their traditions, but "Amish" is a very commercial term now.

@aparks8244 3 жыл бұрын

good movie

@oe542 3 жыл бұрын

@@Banryu95 you’re right. They’re not as behind the times as their initial appearance leads you to believe.

@2nd-place 4 жыл бұрын

You’ve sold me on building myself a timber frame house. Someday I want to build a retirement home for my wife and I in the mountains and I want it to be off the grid with well water and solar power. This seems like it would meet our needs nicely. We wouldn’t need anything large and I’m fairly handy. I’m sure with a few more decades of experience that I could build the entire thing myself. I would save money on materials, construction, and utilities and I could put those savings towards buying a large plot with good views.

@thistles 2 жыл бұрын

I hope you attain your dream. I also prefer to put my money into land rather than a house

@nanwuamitofo Жыл бұрын

.... for my wife and (for) ME....

@UnskilledGrappler Жыл бұрын

@@nanwuamitofo Hay man. I’m sure your a nice guy butt this dude doesnt even no you . Why would he want too build a house for YOU and youre wife?! 😬

@jhosk Жыл бұрын

Our barn is oak timber framed and the lumber was harvested off the farm almost 100 years ago. Something about seeing those old beams that warms your heart

@r.a.mcgeoch7669 3 жыл бұрын

The timber frame is just so beautiful once finished, plus the craftsmanship is just mind blowing

@youngillinoisan4270 3 жыл бұрын

And the durability can’t be overstated, I live in a house built by my great great great grandfather in 1873, still standing strong, even after a pipe burst and the house was abandoned for 10 years, I doubt any newer stick frame house will be standing nearly as long without an incredible amount of maintenance and money.

@GodActio Жыл бұрын

@@youngillinoisan4270 There are some timber frame houses nearly 900 years old still in use. I hope your children and great grandchildren and distant descendants get to enjoy your family's legacy home =)

@expediter99 4 жыл бұрын

4 bents at 10' is a 30' building. same as fence posts

@kickssass 4 жыл бұрын

smort haha

@seamusriley3532 4 жыл бұрын

Ikr I caught that too

@expediter99 4 жыл бұрын

@doc hall no, look at the model- there are only 3 spaces or bays between the 4 bents, = 30'

@unitygroove3118 4 жыл бұрын

Eh, well you, mnh, know... unh, it must be hard to concentrate in between clearing your throat every ten seconds.

@michaelw7800 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, have to count the first

@joshgastin 3 жыл бұрын

This is so cool. I have always admired timber framed buildings but had also assumed that they were no longer possible, simply due to the prevalence of stick-framed houses. Now I can dream again!

@zacksaykawlard1300 4 жыл бұрын

Who else has never watched anything related to this and doesn't know why this is in their recommend?

@ZrSiO4-ZrSiO4-ZrSiO4-ZrSiO4 4 жыл бұрын

Idk what it’s here but I sure did enjoy it

@tornado649 4 жыл бұрын

Im actually interested now tho

@deathbornderhatkid2997 4 жыл бұрын

@@thinkfirst6431 most buildings here in Germany are mostly bricks and concrete. They are very solid and mostly well isolated. I thought that other countries have picked up but well . Old structures that are built with bricks and wood are also not hard to find, but I have never seen a house made completely out of wood/drywall. This concept is very foreign to me and I am blown away how easy it is to build these.

@champxgnee 4 жыл бұрын

So whats better? Concrete houses? or Wood houses?

@JakeTheBeast4Prez 4 жыл бұрын

Here!

@GarmanyRachel 4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know how much I want a timber framed home

@GadgetEyeGuides 3 жыл бұрын

Really quite fascinating. There is a definite allure to building structures that could last centuries. I'll keep this in mind when I have the opportunity to build a home.

@HawkGTboy Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. The average modern American home is just a slapped-together pile of building materials that will last for 60-80 years, tops. I wonder what will happen in the coming decades when they start reaching the end of their lives.

@truantray Жыл бұрын

Most homes will be torn down in the future because of fashion, not because of construction. 60s bungalows are perfectly fine but being replaced with massive two stories people suddenly want.

@truantray Жыл бұрын

@@HawkGTboy they will be replaced with something better.

@markoshun 8 ай бұрын

@@HawkGTboy What do you think will happen to these slapped-together piles of building materials? I do renovations and work on that age of house all the time. Seems to be plenty of life left in them.. On the other hand, the looming problem I see is the steady loss of people who want and know how to do repairs and upkeep.

@ElAnvaBar 8 ай бұрын

I absolutely love the warmth of timber frame houses! Wood has lived years before it finally became a timber frame house. I think it's an ode to the tree itself to show its magnificent lines and colour, and a warmth you'll get nowhere else.

@kaniphish 4 жыл бұрын

Seems to me this guy loves wood so much, he has wood dust coursing through his lungs.

@richardspiegel9002 3 жыл бұрын

That can also be caused by a mild allergy to his high blood pressure medicine.

@timhofstetter5654 3 жыл бұрын

Except, of course, that he doesn't actually know very much about real-world framing.

@mthomas8338 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he enjoys to hit a few joints from time to time. Have a couple smokes. Couple beers. Eh

@jazzy_cats 3 жыл бұрын

Doesn't sound too healthy

@jamesbondo5895 3 жыл бұрын

Is that a 2x4 in your pocket or do you just like wood

@sonsofliberty3081 4 жыл бұрын

Amish do this. They're so many of them on the job they look like ants devouring a sandwich. They are just everywhere at once. Once it's up, the youngest get on the roof and start and then a group on each corner working one direction, and a crew framing out windows and doors and a crew in the inside, it's amazing.

@JustinL614 4 жыл бұрын

If ever society collapses the Amish may be the only ones left lol

@Matachilangos 4 жыл бұрын

Can I pay the Amish for them to build me a house?

@vwjetta0000 4 жыл бұрын

@@Matachilangos yes you can, at least in the upstate NY area near watertown you can

@robertebersold3817 4 жыл бұрын

Lancaster PA has a number of Amish construction companies who do barns, homes, outbuildings, etc.

@jinyow5581 4 жыл бұрын

Nope, cause they won't fight .

@davidbrogan606 4 жыл бұрын

A stick-framed house can be insulated on the outside of the framing just like a timber-framed house. That being said, timber framing is certainly an elegant way to build a house.

@d.e303-anewlowcosthomebuil7 4 жыл бұрын

i added foam to mine easily...just ask

@MsElijah16 4 жыл бұрын

How do you insulate on the outside?

@d.e303-anewlowcosthomebuil7 4 жыл бұрын

@@MsElijah16 just nail on foam board

@davidbrogan606 4 жыл бұрын

@@MsElijah16 Virtually the same procedure. The house must have no overhangs then sheath the exterior With any number of products and seal the gaps, again many ways. Here is a video by Matt Risinger. This one of many he has on this topic. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bb9_Y9diq9rdc5s.html

@Siedlerdeo 4 жыл бұрын

As you said, it's not a nice look with 24" inch studs on the inside. Wider gaps with wider timber is what makes that aestetic possible :D

@theguy9234 4 жыл бұрын

Id much rather have a timber house than a stick frame house.

@jminkvihubyb 4 жыл бұрын

Which is why so many trees are being cut. It's really bad for the environment but who cares about that, right

@Badassbowtie75 4 жыл бұрын

@@jminkvihubyb 00:35 ...

@davidbeppler3032 4 жыл бұрын

@@jminkvihubyb You are backwards. Rewatch the video.

@jminkvihubyb 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 wasn't entertaining enough so I closed the video. I already am in trade work so I know exactly what I was saying. Everyone thinks wood is better than everything else and so much of it is wasted. Just looking at the frame, one had more wood than the other.

@davidbeppler3032 4 жыл бұрын

@@jminkvihubyb Yes, the traditional house uses more wood. You were backwards. Either way noting wrong with building using renewable resources. Not sure why you think we are running out of wood, in the US we buy most of our framing wood from Canada.

@eligebrown8998 4 жыл бұрын

Great video and really glad I found it. I'm working on plans for my house and I think I'm going with timber. Cant wait. One thing I like is you can do almost anything with it on the inside of the house.

@bullpaxton2001 3 жыл бұрын

Love how this video is just subtly dropping shade on modern construction.

@mikebeasley553 2 жыл бұрын

Modern construction is coded for one reason only and that is to enrich the largest lumber companies that have huge budgets for lobbyist. There are numerous practical ways to build your home but you will not be approved by the code. Many techniques have been used for centuries and are still standing. In my coastal NC town the codes have become ridiculous and let's not forget that they are interpreted by some local jackass who has never built a doghouse. Some older homes here (100 years or more) are standing on stacked stones and are ballon framed for cooling. They have been through all the same damn hurricanes as all the rest of the homes in the area. Just saying that building codes are necessary to weed out the idiots but you should be able to build by other methods if you desire. There is more than one way to build a home.

@scikick 3 жыл бұрын

It's 3am and I'm never in my life going to need this info.

@disklamer Жыл бұрын

0930 and I knew all this. Still watched for no good reason. Life’s a ride.

@agricolaregs 3 жыл бұрын

This was great. I wasn’t looking for this, but I learned a lot. Thanks so much.

@genxscott4650 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the mini-course. Just signed up. This stuff is fascinating to me!

@urwholefamilydied 3 жыл бұрын

You can do a combination of the two. You don't have to have the beams showing in a timber frame house. And you can use thicker lumber with modern fasteners in a "stick frame". It's not one or the other.

@ryankinzel7608 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to come try this course someday if my finances would allowed me to build a new home. Great Video and Amazing Work, I love seeing the timber used in construction be an aesthetically pleasing feature of any home. Peace and Love from Canada

@PurpleMonkeyDishwasher88 8 ай бұрын

Seeing those models reminds me of back in high school when in one of my elective classes we were given a model kit to build a home of about similar style in size. The material was balsa wood, and we used mainly a miter-box with a small hand saw to fit the frame. Small pins and some wood glue to put it all together. It was incredibly fun to learn how to build a home on a smaller scale, but also learning the techniques and proper spacing of the material. I will say there's something immeasurably satisfying about putting/making something with your bare hands.

@Sharklee4 3 жыл бұрын

While I love the tradition of timber frame construction I have a problem with the concept of using sips panels for insulation. Sips panels are structural. You can build a very strong house just with sips. A timber frame house with a sips exterior is a double built house, a luxury that few can afford.

@commentarytalk1446 11 ай бұрын

Another option as said in the video is Straw-Bales (multiple benefits including excellent insulation) when building Timber Frame.

@unacceptableviews1505 4 жыл бұрын

I may have been admiring the model house on the left too much and missed it but there may be another factor you could add to strengthen your cause for this building method: Longevity.A timber frame house can last for hundreds of years whereas conventional framing will be lucky to last 100,especially with contractor shortcuts and lack of inspectors.There was a timber framed barn from Germany that was 500 years old in my town in British Columbia,Canada.The owner had German carpenters label and dismantle it,crate and ship it to Canada and reassemble it for him as a home upstairs/restaurant downstairs.Imagine building a house on your own land and out of your own trees that your great grand-kids could live in one day.That's special.It also makes the high initial building cost very affordable over the long term.

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

Timber frames are adaptable and durable!

@Siedlerdeo 4 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of old timberframes and they are truly beautiful and I hope to build one myself one day. But conventional framing lasts as long, there is nota difference there, wood is wood. Issue as you are describing is bad workmanship and bad techniques, My old house in sweden was from 1925 and it had a conventional frame, after refreshing most of the interior of it while I lived there I found no issues att all with the structure, if moistrue is propperly planned and everything is done right the conventional frame will last just as long as a Timber frame. In sweden we learned the hard way with -30c winters and +30c summers and become moisture experts tbh, and now with full mechanical ventilation that controls moistrue too it's going to be even easier. So it's not the frame that doesnt last, it's the surrounding systems that make or break it, you can as easily fuck up a Timber frame, enclosing it with no moistrue transportation and airing and if a timber frame rots then you have a 10 fold bigger problem then if a conventional fram would rot, just saying

@MrDanisve 4 жыл бұрын

@Linus Surface area has alot to say as well, thats why a log lasts so much longer than a small stick. Conventional frames here are Timber frames? 99% of the houses i se in this area is timberframes. Ive renovated a few houses, never came across anything else than timber frames. Greets from your neighbor :P

@DGDG0000000 4 жыл бұрын

from your own trees ? you need first to remove resin, then make it dry... do tou have a river ? then do you have 7 years to wait for dry wood ?

@unacceptableviews1505 4 жыл бұрын

@@DGDG0000000 Cut the trees down in the spring,peel them,and stack them up off the ground.Go back the next spring and build with them.That's how my friends built log cabins.I know some that sent their logs to mills to be kiln dried so they could start sooner but most are willing to wait the year and save the transport and kiln cost.As for building a timber frame house,I would have to hire someone and do what they recommended.

@lothean2099 4 жыл бұрын

I really liked the info given in this video

@cray0308 3 жыл бұрын

Very educational video. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

@webbgroup 4 жыл бұрын

Friendly reminder: Don't have ice cream before a presentation.

@samuelthomas8777 4 жыл бұрын

😆

@genxscott4650 4 жыл бұрын

@@afn-bd2ro frequent throat-clearing but that's probably just a mild nervous tick ... lots of people do it and don't realize it.

@HaloWolf102 4 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too very early. I wish I was the person that didn't notice, because when you do, it's awful to listen to.

@BoopSnoot 4 жыл бұрын

We played a drinking game where we took a shot every time he cleared his throat. I'm the only one that survived following a liver transplant.

@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 4 жыл бұрын

@@genxscott4650, it's a sign of being quite dehydrated. Moreso than many will respond to.

@spar8334 4 жыл бұрын

Almost 2am and this what im watchin

@bluehour1203 4 жыл бұрын

Qwalay 1.35 👍🏼

@carlosmontoya2485 4 жыл бұрын

I love that style, my wife does to, exposed wood inside. Beautiful.

@wisconsinfarmer4742 4 жыл бұрын

My beautiful wife likes my exposed wood inside. Same words different meaning.

@ThuhOthers 4 жыл бұрын

The look of timber is very hard to beat!

@Network126 4 жыл бұрын

@@wisconsinfarmer4742 LMAO! I was thinking the same!

@bermchasin 4 жыл бұрын

you are saying your wife loves your exposed wood?

@ohlawd3699 4 жыл бұрын

That's the only way my wife likes wood inside too. 😊👍

@tonya9614 3 жыл бұрын

Well done sir. Thank you for sharing your passion.

@robertjohannnewton7489 4 жыл бұрын

THAT LOOKS FANTASTIC!

@musamor75 4 жыл бұрын

Your arguments are very convincing. This is a very informative video. However, I have my doubts about learning timber framing in five days. I live in France, where the cathedral builders go through a ten year intensive training. They live in dormitories, work ten hours a day, study technical drawing at night, and work in their specialised internal workshops until midnight. All weekends are devoted to preparing their first apprenticeship piece- not before 4 years. 2 weeks off a year. If they are accepted they continue their Tour de France- very gruelling. Then they prepare their grand masterpiece, always of mind- boggling complexity. These are the Master Builders. An extreme elite; they are called upon to do the most complex and difficult restoration and building across the whole globe. They are called the "Compagnons du Devoir". They date back to Medieval times. Thank you for posting this video. I am a humble cabinet maker myself. Best regards.

@jtltet 4 жыл бұрын

I don't think he is implying that you will be an expert in 5 days. Rather, you would learn the basic skills and process.

@bobrambo6900 3 жыл бұрын

I’m from Lancashire England & there are thousands of timber built houses hundreds of years old, many 500 hundred years old mainly built of oak

@johnnymcblaze 3 жыл бұрын

Well that's where the old growth forests went.

@gcranston83 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnymcblaze also the navy.

@GaiaCarney 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Pat Hennin & Shelter Institute 🕊 great info, cool models

@ShelterInstitute 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Stay tuned, we have a few more videos coming out in the next month.

@magaelectrician657 Жыл бұрын

This looks awesome. Thanks!

@waynes.2983 4 жыл бұрын

My buddy bought a woodmizer sawmill and we not only built our first timber frame, we also milled every part of it. It is a huge barn with hay loft, horse stalls, tack room & an entire house all in one. It is going to last hundreds of years.

@IamChrisL712 3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear. How satisfying.

@eileenallemm1835 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you had the joy of watching you with Jesse and Alissa's build in Idaho!

@IamChrisL712 3 жыл бұрын

The rest of the house is awful. Jesse is a blowhard as well.

@alecharper515 3 жыл бұрын

What a joy to begin my day watching this inspiring video... thank you.

@jonathanyanes9494 2 жыл бұрын

This was a really nice vide and great explanation,Iam subscribing right now!! I will love to learn more!

@RaferJeffersonIII 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you KZfaq recommended and happy Christmas

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!!!! Please don't hesitate to reach out if we can offer ay additional information about our products or services.

@williamoverton7265 4 жыл бұрын

Cough drops will fix that.I have trouble with that too. Great presentation.

@markthompson4225 4 жыл бұрын

I had a professor that did that all the time... his was a nervous tick... brilliant man just had a tick... they both are very smart men and have great knowledge to share

@williamoverton7265 4 жыл бұрын

@@markthompson4225 For me it is from years of wood working with poor dust collection ans dry air in the shop?

@markthompson4225 4 жыл бұрын

@@williamoverton7265 honestly it could be his also... He is not a personal friend or anything... just from what I seen from him here and on the other channel he has been on... Pure Living for Life... it looks like a tick to me... just like the professor I once had... both being very smart men with great knowledge that they like to pass on to other people... which seems like a great thing for people to do... I have a bit of the cough and hack from my youth for the same reason, along with smoking (my parents and my own)

@Kameron-The-Crafter 4 жыл бұрын

@@williamoverton7265 the one big down side to power tools over hand tools.

@altergreenhorn 4 жыл бұрын

wouldn't help this guy have a chronic problem with his sinuses.

@ThisReckless 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss this is what I’ve been looking for and he answered a lot of questions in that short time.

@SG-jv5zi 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible video... I didn't need to know this, but I'm glad I did 🙂

@bradevans7107 4 жыл бұрын

Its kind of nice to know that even though the exterior walls on timber frame have to be stick framed to simply have nailers. At least the question of what is load bearing is an easy question to answer. Makes for easier remodeling.

@Natedoc808 4 жыл бұрын

Brad Evans yup! Big timber frame and you can stand whatever walls you want, can even use soffits to run the mechanicals so it’s even easier to change interior configurations.

@gsettlemyre 4 жыл бұрын

Jesse and Alyssa with Pure Living For Life is we’re I first seen the timber frame concept in place...and you were there!

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

We were there! What a busy week that was!

@Natedoc808 4 жыл бұрын

You must be a timber farmer otherwise that’s where you would have “first saw the timber frame concept”.

@gsettlemyre 4 жыл бұрын

Natedoc808 No, not a timber farmer, nor a timber framer, just a guy that got hooked on the Timber Frame concept through Jesse. and Alyssa’s build...and yes I picked up on your witty remark right away....because I saw what you did...😬😬

@javabeanz8549 4 жыл бұрын

Jesse and Alyssa did a great job of showing off their class, and Levi did a great job filming the Idaho class! I really enjoyed watching all of it.

@hoperules8874 4 жыл бұрын

aw! Thought you were making a reference to those middle school history reinactment videos thatalways ended with, "And YOU were THERE!"

@jimwilleford6140 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Excellent comparison!

@josie4065 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thank you for sharing this!

@dickJohnsonpeter 4 жыл бұрын

It's interesting to see this a few years after I built a small structure with no framing experience. (so many years had gone by that the construction experience I had was lost anyway). The inspiration came from an abundance of free wood in the form of 120" pallets that had pine and oak 4x4s and pine 2x4s and pine 1x6's. I could get as many as I wanted, idk what you'd call my framing but it sure as hell worked.

@joshuasingletary9703 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks KZfaq, I didn’t know I needed to know the difference between timber framing and stick framing

@mnewt712 4 жыл бұрын

Solid video! Very informative. Thank you

@Dylfunkle 4 жыл бұрын

I was working as a timber framer for a while, favorite job so far.

@FlyWhistle 4 жыл бұрын

My house been up since the the civil war. We even have the old deed for the land. The structures are all axe hewn still see the deep cuts. The old drywall or Masonite was made with plaster and horses hair. Crazy the history a house can hold

@googiegress7459 16 күн бұрын

Horses running around naked and freaked out, buff dudes just flexing in their awesome houses.

@OnlyNotes 4 жыл бұрын

Just curious, how do you wire a thing like this? Where do your device boxes go... Would they all be surface mount and run with exposed conduit?

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

Jack Duno GREAT question! You could surface mount in conduit. More typically it is run through the hung wall in chases or run through a chair rail mounted on the inside of the exterior wall. And then too run through the first floor platform and any interior partition walls.

@tennesseetexan1957 4 жыл бұрын

The SIPs have pre drilled channels in them for electric and plumbing so they are hidden from sight

@Johnconno 3 жыл бұрын

Everything wireless. Chinese!

@starfishsystems 3 жыл бұрын

Really EXCELLENT presentation, both in content and style. I'm sure that your coursework is of the same calibre!

@RipsterSA 4 жыл бұрын

Really nice video! Well presented!

@apollo3679 4 жыл бұрын

I’m beginning to design my home. I don’t have property yet, and I know I want to build it myself. I can’t believe how useful this was!!

@ZachFish- 8 ай бұрын

How is the plan going, and how much experience do you have

@gumecindogarcia1070 8 ай бұрын

I did a basic pole barn with an elevated floor, I got the experience while in Southern Africa. 32x24 three level and around 9k in materials

@ZachFish- 8 ай бұрын

@@gumecindogarcia1070 That is solllid!

@buildingwithtrees2258 4 жыл бұрын

I built a timberframe/ full scribed log home hybrid once. A very beautiful alternative to cip panels on the walls. You can also use full logs instead of square timbers. There's more math and work involved, but can be quite visibly rewarding.

@ByDesign333 4 жыл бұрын

Now thats a superior frame! Nice presentation...no wasted words 👍

@1guitarlover 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you for sharing!

@justinschuyler 4 жыл бұрын

fella inhaled too much sawdust

@jrmbayne 4 жыл бұрын

One of the drawbacks of timber framing

@TheGreyGhost_of43rd 8 ай бұрын

Yeah he must be doing stick builds more than he lets on

@cindyrodger4867 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Thanks for sharing

@DSD 4 жыл бұрын

Wow I have no idea why KZfaq recommended this video but damn that was REALLY COOL and now I want a timber framed house!!! That’s also really cool that you do classes teaching this! VERY neat!!!

@robertebersold3817 4 жыл бұрын

Timber frame: a.k.a. "the way the Amish have done it for centuries".

@SammytheStampede 4 жыл бұрын

Robert Ebersold they build the best log cabins.

@jhart7304 3 жыл бұрын

-amish- Europeans.

@Dariet88 3 жыл бұрын

@@jhart7304 thank you.

@robincamps8469 3 жыл бұрын

@@jhart7304 Jup, thanks!

@FreedomTalkMedia 4 жыл бұрын

Another consideration: Timbers are much harder to set on fire than 2x4s, which go up like matchsticks and are close enough to the next 2x4 to set it on fire too. A stick built house is like a bunch of perfectly spaced kiln dried kindling just waiting to go up on smoke. I see conspiracy theorists posting about California homes burning down where the trees around them don't all the time. These people don't understand just how hard it is to burn a live tree compared to kiln dried 2x4s. Sure, a timber would burn easier than a live tree, except that it doesn't have any branches to act as kindling. There is a reason why a fire door can be made out of wood. You can make a wood door that takes an hour for a raging fire to burn through.

@rollerskdude 4 жыл бұрын

Though, if fireproofing was the main priority you'd avoid wood in the first place.

@FreedomTalkMedia 4 жыл бұрын

@@rollerskdude Yeah, a concrete home with steel beams holding up the roof would be superior but I think a timber frame home with a metal roof would probably be sufficient to save most of the homes in california. Also preferably without plywood under the steel

@nick12586 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you I really enjoyed that

@remychadwick2467 Жыл бұрын

Your love of craft is absolutely infectious. I'd love to be able to afford a timber frame house and to know how to build it myself. Here in Aus it seems like an absolute rarity

@RyanJohnsonD 3 жыл бұрын

Great points about the heat loss and the tremendous amount of material used in a stick home. Does a timber frame meet California specs for earthquakes? Seems like the unions and economic factors didn't put energy and the consumer's pocketbook first: e.g., the amount of foam insulation, the "perfect wall" with radiant barrier all seem to have come out of the need to deal with inefficiencies from the stick home approach.

@jameswells9749 4 жыл бұрын

Where can I take a class here in Lake Charles Louisiana ?or in Louisiana in general.?

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

Hi James-check out timberframehq.com/timber-framing-101/schools for a great list of locations of classes. We generally only teach our 5-day Timber Framing and 2-week Design Build class (covers all methods of framing) at our location in Woolwich, ME. Also, we just launched an online version of our Timber Frame class here - onlinecourses.shelterinstitute.com

@aschnt-983 3 жыл бұрын

Thx ! It will definitely help in my Valheim base construction

@koyonnaanizkatzi 3 жыл бұрын

after seeing this video, I now know that I'm very passionate about the excellence of timber framed buildings. Thank you. I would love to be a student.

@dmack47yo 4 жыл бұрын

I have absolutely no idea why this was in my recommended, but I’m completely interested 😂

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

That is a riot!! the algorithms of KZfaq . . . . if you really are interested, check out online timber framing course onlinecourses.shelterinstitute.com/courses/purely-post-beam-online-course There is a free trial that might be fun to watch!

@hotdog160 4 жыл бұрын

5:41 MAFELL saw ! the one and only !

@skip123davis 4 жыл бұрын

i had no idea! so glad i watched this ❣️

@doveandiamond 3 жыл бұрын

Wow bro. Thanks. This made the comparison really simple.

@peterhazyn 3 жыл бұрын

You think his throat is clear enough? I'm gonna hear him clearing his throat in my sleep cause I heard it so many times.

@UNKNOW7V 3 жыл бұрын

Yes lol reminds me of my wifes grandpa

@phironosurvivors2069 3 жыл бұрын

You too will clear your throat with age.. I used to make fun of adults that groaned every time they squat or kneeled over.. Now I sound just like them 🤣

@music_by_carlos 3 жыл бұрын

LMAO THISSSSSSSSS

@djabroni_brochacho4644 8 ай бұрын

*mleph* *lmlep*

@junskey 4 жыл бұрын

kind of bummed he didn’t go into the advantages of stick framing. makes this just an ad instead of an informative video

@paulhawkins3763 4 жыл бұрын

I mean, it *is* an ad

@dennisnelson1602 4 жыл бұрын

advantages of stick framing? more job site waste? More lumber? more seams in the envelope? what exactly are the benefits you are describing?

@deerkiller61 4 жыл бұрын

@@dennisnelson1602 Those are disadvantages, ya dum-dum

@danm3780 4 жыл бұрын

@@deerkiller61 lol, no shit? That's his point.

@Divertedflight 4 жыл бұрын

The advantage of 'stick' framing is that there's far less constraint to the size and proportion of the rooms within the house. One doesn't need to be concerned as to the alignment of the timbers to the edge/corner of an internal divided space. Because of this, some Timber frame homes have hybrid (so called stick frame) interiors.

@missyrabbit5250 3 жыл бұрын

This is a wonderful tutorial

@paigetaylor2264 3 жыл бұрын

Great video . Thanks .

@TylerHarney 4 жыл бұрын

That would be so fun to take a class!

@chrjs90 3 жыл бұрын

In German this kind of craftsmanship is called "Zimmerei". Come here and study it for 3 years and after that you can study "Zimmermanmeister" and master It. You will get it for free, more than that you will earn some money, learn some new language and you will have some long holidays.

@MrPittbull30 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic comparison and contrast.

@zugzwang5310 4 жыл бұрын

🔥🔥 Saw this on my recommended and subscribed right away. Thank you Sir.

@ShelterInstitute 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your interest in our videos. Please take a moment to check out our online course! onlinecourses.shelterinstitute.com/courses/purely-post-beam-online-course

@WelshRabbit 4 жыл бұрын

Vai W yes! Me, too. I want to sign up for the timber frame course, but they over-subscribed for months and months out.

@stumccabe 3 жыл бұрын

There are large numbers of timber framed buildings here in England that have survived beautifully for many many centuries. Near my home is a medieval tithe barn dating to a little before 1300 with its original timber roof - it is in excellent condition.

@TheLoneWrencher 3 жыл бұрын

Legend has it he is still clearing his throat

@wingitreview Жыл бұрын

This is so cool thanks for the information

@theflatcat9250 9 ай бұрын

I had to search for this video, it popped right up, thank you so much, I thought I was going nuts trying to find a stub to hang anything on, and nothing! I know my dad taught me well, Rest his beautiful soul, and utter talent! Thanks for filling in the much needed gap in my life! Very well explained. I have to hang tapestries only haha I am also terrifies of fires, good thing we live literaly across from the fire station, and they are here in a heartbeat when the alarm goes off, and we have months inspections on everything.