It's funny how the men are just now starting to do 3 quads in their programs. Timmy was doing them back in 2002. He was way before his time.

Tim Goeble's performance here becomes even more astounding when you realize that it would take 13 years and two more Olympics for just Javier Fernandez to attempt three quads in a LP during the 2014-15 season.

This was a PHENOMENAL skate!!! Tim was always so AMAZING...🤩🥰😍!!!

Even today, 20 years later, it would have been a very strong program. But in the year 2002, it was simply fantastic performance. Three cleanest quads! Clearly deserved higher placement.

The way he checks his quad jump entries gives him so much power - opposite of pre-rotation!

Парня определенно недооценили !!! 2022 год.Катание безупречное !!!

AMAZING! The pure mastery and performance of this man. I love this.

He should have won the silver medal but I’m still happy he stood on the podium 🥰

I still love this performance and he is so cute and adorable, I was so in love

I’m Russian and I’m shocked right now. I remember this Olympics I was 11 at that time. I always thought that plushchenko won his silver in a fair game. All this time I was wrong. Timothy Goebel was much better and definitely deserved at least silver. 3 quads!!! He would have fought for a medal even in 2021 with this content. My life is a lie.

It’s not fear, what? Gabel second after Plushenko? Man, I’m from Russia! Plushenko had to be third! Tim did 3 brilliant quads! And 5.6 technical, 5.4 presentation? Are you seriously guys!?

You know, under the new scoring system, this skate might have very well gotten him the gold medal. Imagine all the points he would’ve racked up with those two perfect quads, plus one perfect quad combo. The only minor mistake was that triple axel. One wonders how the placements would’ve gone under the current system.

The real winner of men's event Olympics 2002.

I love his music selection. He's a great technical skater. Just needed to improve on artistry. But he's still a great skater & competitor. Definitely one of the front runners.

Doing a Spread Eagle into any jump is still quite difficult even by 2022 standards.

Very nice. Elegant, full of passion and danced with love. Well 3rd place is very good. I think, as long someone skates with passion and love, everything is all right. That counts for me.

Still salty that he didn’t get silver 🥈

А потом на лёд вышел Ягудин и всех сделал!!!

It's a shame they still had the old "6.0" marks system... Timothy was cheated out of a silver medal at these Olympics.. 3 Quads, a triple Axel combo, he couldn't have done any better. Poor guy had the most demanding jumps.. and it didn't help.. He should've had 5.8's and 5.9's for technical merit in both short and long programs. Such a corrupt judging system the ISU had for many years.

What GOE would you give him for these jumps?

Imagine disliking this? Seriously??

Да, он определённо заслужил серебро. А Плющенко должен был быть третьим 😊

Wow.... the jumps quality...........

I agree he should have been second today he could win gold with this programm but my heart is with Yagudin. But Plusschenko fell that year and had less quards. Its unfair to this man.

Un buen FP, merecida medalla de Bronce.

Interesting, I don't recall anyone thinking Goebel was robbed of the silver back in 2002. His posture was horrendous and it really killed his already wooden presentation. Plushenko stood up straight and always took command on the ice. Tim also stepped out of his second 3axel. None of the judges placed him ahead of Plush, in fact, two of them placed him fourth overall!

His choreography is better than the other men's here. Less speed is no reason for awarding him such low marks, when his steps, expression, interpretation are so much better. His sit spins are actual sit spins, unlike Plushenko's, high on the flying spins, his landings much better--easier, smoother, more natural--than the other men, and of course the quads. It's a 5.8/5.8 for me.

This Gershwin music is not thrilling enough for an Olympic competition. I wish he had chosen something more dramatic!

I think the score was so unfair, omg. I only watch Yagudin and plushenko's videos. Now I saw this and I thought it doesn't loose to them. To see those 5.4 5.5 is shocking. Plushenko wasn't as artistic as yagudin, never seen him get these low scores. He was greaf, less than 5,8 is ridiculous

I loved the music, too many jumps. The setups for jumps take too long.

He should have gotten the silver medal instead of Pluchenko .

Two observations. 1) Timothy Goebel is a superb technician. 2) Sorry America...but Timothy Goebel is about as artistic as a basket of unfolded laundry

это истинный чемпион тех игр

Ну у него техника получше Плющенко и Ягудина, если честно

フィンランドジャッジひっく

He was good, but no way could he beat those Russian skaters.

Женя должен был быть первым, Гейбл вторым а Ягудин третьим.

He’s way too slow on the ice. Jumps are cool but the rest is boring

И что? Истукан!! 👎

When I read the disgusting lifestyle he leads, I’m no longer for this German.

Loved this performance of Timothy Goebel...He should've won the silver medal here!!...Loved seeing Paul Wylie cheering him on!!...:)

This is a phenomenal program. Ten years later nobody can even get close to the complexity of this program: 3 clean quads plus 2 triple axels. He should have gotten at least silver medal.

:) Tim and Alexei had what I call the perfect long program for the Olympic season, it just FIT so well

Here from 2018. 2002 was the year I fell in love with this sport. I remember this like it was yesterday.

I so agree with you!! I want the old times back ...

one of the best programs i've ever seen i swear if he competed this program under the IJS system he would be olympic champion for sure and just based on technical elements. i have no idea what the judges were thinking, this was amazing

That quad toe at 02:24 is absolutely copy book perfect - high, neat, tidy and perfectly straight in the air, perfect take off and gorgeous clean landing with perfect running edge.

I agree with those who say Tim should have had silver in this competition. He was not as complete a skater as Yagudin, who was simply phenomenal. But Tim should have been in second owing to his tech skills. Remarkable. His jumps were as brilliant as that smile of his.

:) I love Tim, it's a shame after these Olympics he never quite got back to the form he was here. But in saying that I have a special place in my heart for Alexei, and I'm happy he won the gold.

In my view, Goebel should have taken Silver. Let me explain why - and this is going to be a bit long. Technical Mark: Jumps: Plushenko made 3 mistakes. His first two mistakes were the step-out on his 4T + 3T + 3L and poor air position on his 3L as well, and he also performed a 2S instead of a 3S. And as impressive as his 3A + 1Lo + 3F was, the 3F took off from the outside edge - a lip not a flip. Whereas Goebel had a step out of his second 3A. Neither of there step-outs interrupted the flow of program particularly. Goebel performed 3 quads, and had both a 4T and a 4S in his arsenal whereas Plushenko only had 2 quads and both were 4T. Again, Plushenko did have the impressive 3A + 1Lo + 3F though, even despite the 3F error. But also, Goebel backloaded his program, with his second 4S and 3A both very late in the program, compared to Plushneko's front-loading. The back-end of Plushenko's program had a very easy 2A and 2S (intended 3S), for instance. Further, Goebel had more difficult entrances and better transitions, including a very difficult spread-eagle directly into his 3A + 2T and a beautiful hydroblade pulling out into a 3Lo at the end of the program. It's worth comparing this to Plushenko who entrances were not complicated, he had minimal transitions, and his 3A's were stalked. There's also no question Goebel had better flow in his jumps. Spins: Neither had fantastic spins, but Goebel's at least had decent positions, though posture could be better - look at Plushenko's slouch on his sit spins. He did had a more interesting Biellmann combination spin at the end, but it was slow. All in all, I say they are even on this front, more-or-less. Skating Skills: There's no question Plushenko's basic skating skills, especially speed and edging, are superior here. It's not even worth discussing that, Plushenko is obviously better. Overall better, but not so much better than it overwhelm's Goebels' far superior program difficulty and execution. For technical, Goebel: 5.9, Plushenko: 5.8. Artistic: Plusheko's raw performance ability is superior, but Goebel had the better program. Gobel's movements better reflected the musical nuance, there was in-between choreography, great transitions, and the elements were better balance throughout the program. The program also built and summed to something sensible. Plushenko had wonderful flow and great energy, but with some really goofy posing. The program also never summed to anything coherent, built to anything, or had any artistic framework besides just putting on a good show. Plushenko's footwork sequence was also uncreative and simplistic, despite its energy. Goebel also did far more one-footed skating , whereas Plushenko did excessive two-footed skating and several breaks. Goebel also had better ice coverage. So, Plushenko has more artistry "naturally" (though hardily a Daisuke Takahashi or Yagudin), and Goebel's talents are rather meager in this department. But Goebel actually had a coherent, thought-out program that had diversity and creativity whereas Plushenko's was just lazily thrown together. To me, these cancel each other out. Frankly, neither of them are great in this department - but Plushenko's deficits are by choice whereas Goebel at least tried to assemble and work on a well-thought out and designed program, despite his lack of natural talent in this area. Artistic, Goebel: 5.7, Plushenko: 5.7 So, that's why I'd have Goebel over Plushenko in the LP. For comparison, I'd have Yagudin winning the LP (and obviously the SP also) with a score of 5.8 (technical) / 5.9 (artistic). His program was glorious.

I just adore that quad toe at 2:28 - the air position is copy book perfect, the height is incredible and the landing is gorgeous. I would say it is probably the best quad toe I've ever seen.

One thing not many remembers about Zayak was that as a child, she lost her 2 left toes on her left foot in a freak accident with a lawn mower. That prevented her from being able to excel in compulsory figures because it was hard for her to control her edging with her left foot. That fact that she was able to land so many triples and double Axels with that handicap is a true miracle in itself and in the amount of sheer determination and hard work on her behalf.

BRAVO, Timothy!

I agree. Plushenko's fall in the short and her flawed LP was outskated by Tim's performance

Timothy is amazing no matter the medal color. This is my favorite program!

TImothy is like such a good jumper that even skaters today wouldn't measure up to him. This was silver not bronze for Plushenko had multiple mistakes.

yes and commentators said "plush was more artistic" i laughing out loud about hour. plush has 0 artistic and choreography. goebel is true silver medalist

And Yuzuru Hanyu is supposedly the best male figure skater? 2014 Olympics sucked in comparison to 2002 Olympics. You had Alexei Yagudin and Evgeni Plushenko at their prime doing 2-3 quads all the time and in combination.. even Evgeni attempted 4-3-3.. and this is at the Olympics. Then you have Goebel who did Quads like nothing but never got the recognition he deserved. Male figure skating competition now is not as tough as it was back then...

5.6 score is an insult. GIFTED jumper - few can rotate like that. His slowness on the ice was so bad it was very noticeable - and marked down. Great to see any person have that much success and joy. Too bad he could not keep his career going much longer after this.

He rocked it!!!

I agree, with a few adjustments, he would be amazing under COP. Bronze is amazing when you think silver and gold were Plushenko and Yaguin arguably two of the greatest male figure skaters of the past 20 years.

What would that be in IJS scoring?

TImothy Goebel Quad king forever.

The original Quad King

Frank Carroll is such a good coach.

OMG JUMP is look so stable and good position... and so musical...

Brilliant!

ALL plush's programs is nothing without jumps!

@Chalkare I Agree with you. amazing 3 quads, two triple axels - what he does in the air is amazing. He is the king of quadruple jumps, and only bronze? And I think his spins are fast and centered. They under scored him. Now we have our Olympic Gold wins without any quad? I agree with your comment, what a change in the scoring system.

@Chalkare The judge who gave him a 5.6/5.4 was the Finnish judge. However, both she and the Australian judge gave Timothy 4th Place ordinals, while everyone else gave 3rd Place ordinals.

Three quads and spread out in the program. At least one was in what today would be the 10% bonus section! Timothy was ahead of his time quad-wise! I was so proud as an American when he won bronze that night. The Finnish judge was a disgrace. She low balled Timothy the entire competition. 5.4 was much too low also for Presentation. He should've scored no lower than 5.6 on the second mark imo. I'd have scored him about 5.7 like most of the judges.

I agree with you: I am not one of those who think that Plush should have won in 2010, I totally agree with Evan's victory but I just wanted to note that, when the artistic level goes up, the jumping level goes down... it's sad but I have to say that I like watching good skating more than good jumps!

This was better and more difficult than Plushenko,

He landed 3 quads and got bronze?!

What is the music?

see Patrick Chan's second quad at 2012 Rostelecom cup (FS) it's too absolutely perfect

Just wonderful. Yes slow but wonderful silver or bronze - whatever all three men were amazing - Plushenko, Goebel and Yagudin - wonderful skating. Too bad this was Timmy's pinnacle he never really matched it.

@victoriaindigo George Gershwin's "An American in Paris"

If this was under the post 2005 scoring system, he would have silver at minimal....heck even an outside chance at gold considering Yagudin's spins.

@chuhboemember6 totally agree. But like in 2003 it was what's in the name not in the skating.

It was close but I would have put Goebel 2nd ahead of Plushenko. 3 quads scattered throughout the program, Plushy double two of his triples on top of everything. 5.4 as presentation is quite harsh as well. Goebel beat Plushy by alot on technical, and Plushy beat Goebel on pres. It's all relative.

@3Axel1996 thankyou

Goebel should have won the Silver here. Remember Pluschenco had a bad short program and was OK in the long. Goebel should have gotten the Silver and Honda of Japan should have won the bronze.

I think that if his choreographer had given him music that at least "appeared" more artistic, it might have helped with his presentation mark a tenth or two. He was competing against dramatic, intense pieces from the Russians, and this music was lightweight (though his technical elements, excluding the flutzing at the beginning, was brilliant).!!!

@nightswimmer99 as well as Riverdance and Malaguena

HAHAHAHAHA I KNOW HIM I'M SO PROUD

A lot of men have landed quads, but they all muscle through them like Yagudin and Patrick Chan. No one before or since has landed quads so effortlessly with perfect form, checkout position, and lightness as Tim Goebel. Only Hanyu's could be considered somewhat similar, but still not quite this good.

2002: all the three men on the podium landed at least a clean quad. 2010: only one man on the Olympic podium landed a clean quad (Plushenko). The level got higher artistically but now it's really lower, technically!

He's so cute!!

Yeah, but I really don't think 5.4 was justified for Presentation. I also thought 5.6 was too low for TM not only because of what he did but because he had so much difficult content throughout the program, right up until the end. That deserves more than a 5.6. He did as well as he could do and it was a pleasant program to watch, IMHO.

You wrong... The Zayak rule says that you cannot repeat more than 2 triples in the LP... The Rule of the 8 spots for the jumps is more recent

Three quads and he gets mostly 5.8s and even lower? Outrageous and simply wrong. I loved the jumps and noticed they were all full rotated and looked beautiful. Too bad his posture wasn't great (hunched shoulders) and the skating skills and musicality are just not as good as today's competitors. By the way, he has ambivalent feelings now about Frank C (check out his Skating Lesson interview): there was a whole lot of stuff going on behind the scenes which explained why his career ended.

You are all saying he should have ended silver at least. People, please. He jumped great but that's all. I know American in Paris really well, this choreography was poor I think and he and his coaches took it as a sport rather than as an art. The result is, that artist - Yagudin - had won a gold medal and two sportsmen, Plushenko and Goebel fought for the silver. Although Plushenko will propably always get better marks for technique than for program components, I think his program components were better than Goebel's. But that was huge disadvantage of 6.0 system... Today figure skaters have different problems. Most of them skate really nice, it's more art than sport nowadays but really few of them are able to land 3 clean quads in one free skate, + the last of them almost at the end. Chan, maybe Hanyu and Javier Fernandez. Ok, maybe Plushenko as well but I'm not sure, he's quite wise to do that :D

Really though, aside from the quad jumps, this performance was very lackluster, close to no choreo and no speed

Ridiculous scoring.. a program technically more difficult than Plushenko and Yagudin. I understood that he skated before them but they were both overmarked. I get his lower presentation scores but the technical merit was off.

I think Tim should have gotten silver. I liked his program better than Plushenko's.

he should have stayed eligible, would have liked to have seen more speed, better arm positions and for him to correct that rounded back on his sit spins.

Mark Allan Davis “If he skated that program with the current scoring system not this old one-he would have won” Really? Then look at result of a WJC 2015 where Boyang Jing with three quads lost to Shoma Uno who didn't jump them at all. I don't argue that the new judicial system in general is better than old, though demands completion. But the OG 2002 man's tournament as an example of bad work of old system, in my opinion, it is biased. Yagudin and Plushenko in the second mark were far ahead of Goebel therefore were able to afford slightly less difficult jumping part of their programs.

He should've won Silver because he only had one mistake while Plushenko had many.

I wish he had sold this program with a little more Kirk Browning....could have been different result