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Most passionate I've seen Aidan since the Gabby Petito story... for good reason!

The killings being so spread out doesn't necessarily discount it being a serial killer. Israel Keyes traveled all over the country and murdered people. And the copycat theory is also a solid one because at one point, in I believe the 80s, one of the Route killers ended up being three people who were not working together, but figured out separately that they could make it look like one person. Also, as someone who has accidentally mixed one 25 MG Amitryptaline with a glass of wine, it took maybe thirty minutes for me to be blackout drunk. It reacts with alcohol VERY strongly and there's no way he would have been able to get anywhere. Everyone would have noticed him being trashed. Likely, he didn't suffer when he finally died. Who knows what he went through in captivity, but he very likely just faded into unconsciousness when he passed. I really hope he didn't suffer too much.

Thank you for the focus on the police cover-up. I have close family and friends who are leos and I have yet to find a department that has zero corruption. A lot depends on the leadership and what they tolerate, but a large portion are truly lazy/malicious/self-serving with their power. Then the rest might typically be decent, but they’re worn down and feel they’d lose too much or it wouldn’t change anything if they spoke out. They stay in long enough to collect retirement, or once every couple years they actually do help save someone and that carries them another year. It’s heartbreaking. The more I’ve had an inside look at the justice system the more I become a voluntaryist. Carry a gun, stay safe, and always demand a lawyer lol

As someone who grew up in the woods and has been around all sorts of water sources and seen dead things in them a lot, he wasn't in water for 3 weeks. From dead animals I've seen there is visible algae growth within a few days and insect damage in the first few days.

What are the odds that said female acquaintance was blood related to someone in local politics or the police force, and he got disappeared for hooking up with her and being caught?

Its so nice to see Harry Potter doing all right after that crazy Hogwarts ordeal with the noseless guy. Keep going buddy!

I am a native and current resident of Muskegon County. I've only had one interaction with the MSP and the officer was very courteous but I did get a ticket. Local PD is a whole other story. My experience with them is that they are more than happy to prey on soft targets but real crime is too much work. Additionally, since Todd Geib, we've had Jeffrey Willis and his murder run. Podunk has a lot of murder on its plate. The Todd Gelb case is Sherlock Holmes worthy. Law enforcement here is not up to the task. That being said, I hope your Michigan "hate" is not playing into this story. It certainly deserves a closer look. Also then County Prosecutor, not AG, Tony Tague is pronounced "Tag". Thank-you for drawing light to this bizarre case!

When I was in high school (mid to late 90s) I stumbled across a group online that claimed to support kids that were bullied. At first it was very helpful to know other kids were tortured like me. But there were others that were tormented beyond anything I ever experienced and talked about how much they hated their bullies and wanted to see them dead. I started to feel uncomfortable so I stopped chatting with them. I didn’t even think about that group again until I watched this video. You mentioning this might be a internet group of revenge killers sent a chill down my spine when I remembered them. The scariest thing is that their icon for the group was a simple yellow happy face.

When I played the video about Todd for my mom the vert first question out of her mouth was "how much water was in his lungs?" She was so unbelievably appalled at this all because there is absolutely no way around this being a murder. Absolutely not a single one.

I grew up in the Meth Mitten (before meth was a thing) and left as soon as possible over 30 years ago. I miss the north so much and I was thinking of going back to the most beautiful forests and waterways I've ever seen -- but I just can't. There is so much effed up shit going on now in that state it makes me want to cry. The hills are alive with the sound of tweakers. Such a waste. The corruption is just the cherry on top. About Todd: I've been legally medicated on the same drugs as him (at different times), self-medicated on illegal drugs, and been insidiously drugged by some asshole (twice). I think it's fair to say that I know the consequences of all three. He did not just wander into the water and drunkenly drown. It's just not a thing outside of the ocean and *always* sounds like a cover-up to me. As stupidly drunk and on drugs as I've been in my life living next to the ocean I just don't think it's possible to fall into a cold body of water and drown without help. He did sound like he was drugged on the night in question and used his last coherent moments to make a call (I had better luck than he). And it did sound like whoever fed him the final cocktail really didn't know what they were doing outside of roofie town. If he were drugged at the party it would have flushed out of his system completely by the next day, and as far as we know they didn't find anything like roofies in his system. Someone kept him alive for awhile, there is no doubt in my mind. It also sounds like this someone was not exactly a professional. Someone who had had to be at the party. In the subtropic waters where I live now in crazy ass Florida a body would decomp/get eaten so fast it would be a miracle if you found one. It's a well known fact in my area that if you stick a body in a lobster trap even the teeth will be gone in under a month (sorry lobster lovers). Can't wait to leave here either. That being said, colder freshwater is no slouch either. Granted the decomp would be slower, but it would still begin as soon as the body is no longer alive and faster in any kind of water source, unless we're talking the bottom of Lake Superior type of cold. And we're not. I'm actually embarrassed by proxy for the entire combined police force of Michigan. You just look so damned stupid right now. But don't worry, I'm not coming back.

Cases of an upright victim in water are almost always someone who just went under only minutes to a few hours before death. It stays upright from the air in the lungs until enough decomp gasses form to force the whole torso up. ie: he was put in there shortly after death, and only hours before he was found. This is one reason drowning victims are so difficult to find the first day.

I live in SW, Mich. Back in the 70s some cops beat kids up and killed them from a town over. They placed them on the highway to make it look like the kids got hit by cars… it was a big scandal for a while-

Kyron Horton would be a good one for you to cover. Brian Schaffer has been covered a ton, but I would love if you could show the blueprints of the Ugly Tuna local and discuss other exits in details.

Fun fact: amitriptyline is sometimes used to treat insomnia. I was prescribed it a few years back to help with my insomnia.

If I were murdered I would hope to have you investigate my death. Todd Gieb death was no accident. I hope his family knows you are so passionate about his death and finding out the truth Love from Maryland 😊

I like the SFKs for this one. I think it's a group of cops, maybe even investigators, or Doctors. And these killings are experiments. No rape, no torture, but odd ingestions and alcohol levels. These are NOT rando serial killers. They have a goal as their motive. Very scary stuff.

Cases such as these are happening all over the country in small towns and jurisdictions.

I just had to say this..I've watched your channel for a long time..and it just gets better and better..your research is absolutely top notch..your a tell the truth journalist in a world full of Bullshit Liars..keep it up my friend

Ive come across freemason items inside jewelry jars i have bought from thrift stores. Obviously nothing extreme like rings or anything like that but you never know what you may find in jars or zip lock bags sold at any thrift store. Someones dad or grandpa passes away and relatives donate a bunch of their stuff. I also got a couple Odd Fellows pins, one being for the Rebekah's. All this has made me think about the stuff we accumulate in life and what happens to it when we're gone.

I hope Todd gets justice someday. Thank you for covering these cases and caring about their victims!

To me the most suspicious part of this whole thing is why they refuse to fully investigate this! Why would they not is my question.

When you prescribe amitriptyline or any TCA you also have to tell them not to drink any alcohol, or other certain foods. TCA’s are absolutely not a commonly prescribed antidepressant but it is often used as a second line migraine management medication

Please tell me what you think about my theory. These murders are being carried out as a right of passage for individuals inducted into the militarized side of a secret society. That’s why the victims are held hostage for a while because they are practicing and honing their art. Torture, interrogation, ultimately killing, and doing it in a way that ultimately goes unsolved or ruled an accident.

It's so refreshing to hear a KZfaqr say they're not going to ask me to "like" a video I haven't seen yet!

One fact no one can dispute, no water in the lungs means he didn't drown. Period

He is so lost without Aiden, its so sadge

I think your assessment of the Smiley Face Killers case is spot on. It feels like a group, maybe not a super organized group, but a group of people with the same ideals, much like the incel community, that grew up online and fed off each other and began to kill who they hated or envied. I think that's absolutely what it is. But you would think we would have found it by now if it were a message board or something. Maybe it started that way and went far underground after the early '00s. I don't know what else would explain it, but I'm not highly tech savvy, lol.

Have you considered doing mini videos or a combined video with a bunch of cases in it for topics that don't have enough information for a full length video?

Woodlyn that’s wild right around my way. Would love to hear more about the Tommy Booth case. Go birds.

i’ve taken/tried at least 6 different antidepressants and one of them was amitriptyline except i wasn’t prescribed that for depression i was prescribed it for insomnia(that was caused by my other antidepressants). so you’re absolutely right abt it being like a sedative. i was out like a light the first night i took it(25mg) so i can only imagine what it would be like for someone with alcohol and another sedative like medication in their system

Most of the deaths happen around bridges and things where Graffiti is super common. Heck I even found myself drawing smileys on trees around our property in the middle of nowhere often. It's just a coincidence.

He was going to see the acquaintance girl who was actually in a relationship with somebody else. That other person saw that he called her and that he was lost in the field and he got pissed off and he found him and then he tortured him and he drugged him and then he threw him in the lake. The person who killed him was related to a police officer. I think it's case closed once you find out that girl's boyfriend.

My one catchup on this whole thing is the lack of violence. If he was seeing someone he shouldn't have, maybe someone in a relationship, you'd expect violence. If it was revenge for something, you'd expect violence. Even if he started seeing someone who was only out to punish him for something you'd expect violence. With a serial killer, I wouldn't rule out keeping someone drugged and fucking with them emotionally. As far as the investigation, it's not surprising. Small rural area, drag a bunch of urban/suburban cops out there and they're likely going to be looking to gtfo asap. I also wouldn't be surprised if you guys had something like the I5 killer. I'd expect a truck driver to have easy access to any area a body might be found, people treat them like they're invisible and they could have easy access to a variety of medications. It could even explain how they had two types of antidepressants that would never be prescribed together. Especially before like 2010 or so where they didn't think it necessary to have widespread databases to track medications. And if there are other cases like this were its seemingly the popular guy from school and they've been drugged up and dumped in a body of water, I actually would think a female serial killer. I say that because I have to think, if it is a serial killer and physical violence isn't common or doesn't happen at all, that it's someone who gets off more on the emotional abuse than is typically common for men. I had the displeasure of talking to a cop about when they found bodies in water after a few days. She explained that just rolling the body over to attempt to identify the person caused... tissue to separate. And you would still get the smell, especially once the gases caused the body to float to the top like that. It could be possible that the cocktail of drugs and alcohol made the body unappealing to insects, but you would still expect some sort of damage from a body floating around in a lake for any real period of time.

I’m not a detective nor am I in any type of law enforcement but everyone has looked over the obvious info The cans found in boat What type or brand where they ? How many ? Did he carry them in a bag ? Where they from the party ? May suggest he was meeting with someone

It's also generally best practice to never trust anyone from the west side of the mitten

As someone who watches this channel specifically for the amazing research-based coverage and factual compilation of the known information, I will say I highly enjoyed getting to hear the more personal thoughts and emotions in this video. I really admire that he is able to separate it into his streams vs. the Friday videos so that there is a very distinct difference between facts and personal opinions which most unsolved mystery channels seem to combine for the sake of drama. I will like and continue to watch.

I've been on antidepressants since 2016 and currently still am, and I've been into the biochemistry of antidepressants. I'm on clomipramine and mirtazapine. Clomipramine is a tricyclic antidepressant (TCA), like amitriptyline and desipramine. TCAs are not SSRIs or SNRIs because the S stands for selective. This means that the side effects of TCAs are plenty and generally quite unpleasant, so absolutely nobody takes them to get high. Like, a TCA overdose will damage your heart and cause cardiotoxicity. Drinking alcohol on TCAs is also a bad idea, because most of the time I end up dozing off mid-sentence after a few shots. You also never mix TCAs together. You might be prescribed two antidepressants from different classes, but only after you're kinda stable on the first one. Mixing two powerful antidepressants that sedate you is typically frowned upon, but not unheard of. I'm on a really small dose of each antidepressant, and even so, I'm still asleep within an hour or two.

only logical thing is a cover up, if multiple police stations across the states "stop everything or saying there is no connection" there is a reason. I would say either a higher up official whether someone powerful or their family doing it and they try their best to cover it up.... allegedly

the police coverup always kills me cause its literally THE dumbest excuse every time. Like you just got done being like "yea he was in a field/ wooded ish area",,,, so naturally it was a car crash! Everyone knows theres always abundant traffic in the woods at 2am smh

Dry drowning is far too rare for it to have happened in this case, and if it does happen, it happens to little kids. That a young man, regardless of his inebriated condition, could have dry drowned is a less than 1% possibility. This whole thing is so bizarre and sad, and I think the State Police know more and it is hideous that they would brush this off. So I guess what I cannot help but wonder is what is the motive? Why is this what the Michigan Staties have decided to go with?

I like to just assume there are 100 levels to Masons like pokemon

I wanna know what woods yall r going in and finding smiley faces.... I've seriously never

I share your disgust and outrage.Whatever the circumstance, this young mans life deserves for his death to be handled with respect.Thank you for shining a light.

Your work here is so valuable. You and Wendigoon are the two best on KZfaq.

Brian S or BC, is one of the cases that really gives me the creeps cause he seems to have aparated, out of nowhere to nowhere would love to listen to your take in it

I hang out in the woods all the time, in Michigan, southern Michigan, and I've never seen a smiley face...that bothered me. I thought people were just being really cool

As a native of the mitten state, the moral of this story is never trust the MSP.

Love seeing you get stuck into the constabulary 🤘

I got some weird questions - was there a meaning behind his tattoo? I only ask that because I have friends who have similar tattoos in recovery because it symbolizes breaking free or something like that for them. Doesn't mean he was in recovery, just wondering why that specific tattoo. Was there a girlfriend in the picture? Handsome 22 year olds usually have girlfriends or recently ex-girlfriends (or boyfriends) somewhere nearby. How long would those drugs be detectable at those levels in his system? Would the levels drop after death or stay high? How many beer cans were in the boat? I know no DNA was done, but were there more than 3 or 4? It might indicate the number of people involved. Doesn't seem like the body disposal was well-planned. Stolen boat, beer cans, body left basically floating on the top - sounds like whoever did this was heavily drugged themselves. But it couldn't have been spur of the moment if they'd held onto him for almost 3 weeks. What was the reason for the time lapse? Do the cops actually know or are they just fumbling? Sounds like they probably knew part of what was going on but maybe they guessed wrong? I can't remember, did they find his phone? Sorry about the scattershot approach.

So excited to see you cover this topic. On the graffiti aspect, I know someone pretty deep into graffiti culture. I think they've only done it personally once or twice but they're knowledgeable enough to point out specific artists/tags in our region. I wonder what they'd think of the smiley face being a potential calling card.

In the words of my boyfriend who hates Penn State….”if you all had a quarterback who could do anything even half way decent you’d be DANGEROUS”

You might want to get in touch with Simon Whistler, one of his writers did a deep dive in research for the smiley face killer/s. At the very least his writer should be able to point you to their sources.

I always get excited when I hear mt shasta comes up! My hometown area! I know that's in the Q n A and not the main topic but regardless!

Having one Aiden just ain't right. No sir, i don't like it.

There was a Pittsburgh case! He was eventually found dead in the river. There was a smiley face at the last site he was seen.

Hi Aiden, I still believe it’s a group, at least 2-3 people involved. Too many authorities who dismissed him and any potential evidence so quickly and completely. Not even mentioning the other victims, potential victims, and similarly dismissed by authorities, across several states. Still leaning towards a cult.

Nice to see a fresh set of eyes look into this case which has bothered me since I first heard about it when looking at the “smiley face” theory. Todd Geib was DEFINITELY murdered. His death just doesn’t make sense….

I’m new to your channel, love it❤❤❤!

By the way... I grew up running around the woods of northeast Georgia, and for all the odd and unnerving things I have seen out there, Smiley faces are not one of them.

I wonder if his body could have been refrigerated for a time before he was put in the lake. That would explain the condition of his body.

time stamps for your podcasts would b amazing

Im very picky about what videos i like or subscribe to, like i will only like it if i actually find value in it but i almost always like your videos you guys do a great job and ive been subbed for a while now too i think i really like what you have going on thanks for the great content

I never see smiley faces anywhere. So why it's always said they're so common is beyond me.

When in the timeline of the smiley face killers was this incident. If it was close to the beginning the police may have covered it up to not have the story of a serial killer/killers that are roaming around the Midwest. Not saying this is what happened but may have been a reason why they were reluctant to consider this a murder. That or the person who killed him was was someone they wanted to protect.

I always like videos before watching them bc I’m a compulsive person scared of losing a piece of knowledge that may or may not change my life forever 😭

I like the videos immediately after starting the videos Aiden I promise

Authorities *really* tried to claim that Todd's body floated in water for 3 whole weeks all the while staying whole, and somehow afloat? The government seriously underestimates our collective intelligence almost daily at this point...

For some reason I was told to search Smiley Face Killer on KZfaq. This is the video I end up on. Gave me chills hearing about it again. I am local to this case. I know the family. I was part of the large search parties that went out in the days immediately after he disappeared. Me and 4 other people took canoes across the pond he was found in. I am getting chills again trying to type this out.

This topic was a big part of my life for a period of time. It's very dark an emotionally wore me out so i quit. Accurate info if any very hard to find. So experiments or extracting something from the body is it. I don't care if people make fun of me i wish i was wrong!!

This is probably the first time I've come across someone who has a similar theory about the smiley face to what I think. We know there are groups online, dark web or elsewhere, consisting of predators with similar fetishes, who commit crimes (on children, women, animals, there's a "fetish" for anyone [I hate having to write around YT censorship]) and then share the videos and photos in those groups. I have always thought there have to be those for murder. I am not even sure the smiley face is a coincidence, it might very well be, but could equally easily be a "signature" of the group, an additional thing that makes it exciting for them and bonds them together. Emotional bond and the feeling of "belonging" to "their tribe" is such a huge thing in those cases, they are different than solo predators who hunt on their own and won't ever tell a living soul about it. Then there's also clout, ego, validation. I don't think it's one person, but I do think there's enough to say those deaths are linked.

I had the MSP instruct me to commit a felony. Then threatened me with jail if I didn’t obey. A coworker got pulled over and used my driveway to stop. He had been drinking and blew just barely over. He told the cop he knew me and could probably stay the night. The cop. Came to my door and asked if I knew him and if he could stay? He said he wasn’t going to jail because by the time he blew again. He’d be legal. I can’t turn him away. So I say ya. The cop comes back and tells me to keep him there or he’ll come back and take me to jail. What??? He’s a grown damn man. He want to leave Im not stopping him. That kidnapping- holding someone against their will. Ect ect. And they could care LESS if your house gets robbed. “ that’s what insurance is for.” Is what we were told. In other words. We’re not looking. American Express your defense. Don’t leave home without it.

Great work dude.

Any one of the dots could have killed Tod, I do agree that this is a WIRED case and I do agree that he was not dead the whole time he was gone (insert coo coo clock impression here and have it going the whole video) EDIT : we know Tod had a phone, do we have his phone records from the night of the party?

Ok just to comment on the SSRI/Tricyclic combo. While it’s uncommon to be on both medicines it’s not impossible. There are circumstances where you can be on both, such as if you have both a mental health condition and a nerve condition and it would be more dangerous to stop taking one of them. But I agree if he wasn’t prescribed either of them then this isn’t a reasonable possibility. I am prescribed both double the “recommended dose” of Zoloft to treat OCD and a fairly high dose of Nortripyline for Peripheral Neuropathy. So as someone who is on a high dose of both an SSRI and tricyclic antidepressant like what was in Tod’s system I can say with confidence that someone could be fully conscious and aware on these medicine if they worked their way up to those doses.

Rumored to be in Austin Texas too

Do y'all have a PO Box?

depending on footwear and contents of his pockets he could be weighted just right to float straight up

You are taking the most charitable possible reading of the Michigan state police by assuming they are not investigating because they don't care. Their inaction in the face of public pressure looks less like lazy apathy to me, and more like they are not investigating because they know who did it, and that person is protected for some reason. That is my opinion and I do not know it to be true. But it seems like an extremely reasonable interpretation of the facts given.

It reminds me of that case you covered of the two boys I think that was DEFINITELY a cover up for organised crime

Aidan coming in the the based libertarian takes today. Very interesting.

♤AIDEN♤ Hope that gets your attention... I was curious how long you've been doing this because the way you put in your due diligence in researching like a veteran journalist would do is awesome. So, how long have you been doing the KZfaq story telling and gathering of information from law enforcement enteties and news outlets? Where'd you get the idea to cover peculiar tellings of potentially paranormal but overall curious and tragic events? I'm not sure why my curiosity was piqued so suddenly tonight, considering I've been watching on and off for the last couple years before subscribing, but have since subscribed rather recently and been watching your content more steadily as you tell the stories very well and enthusiastically enough without being over the top, and I verily enjoy that. The jokes you open with on the production-videos that aren't livestreams are always good too and some make me actually audibly laugh.. I do hope to hear back, I really really do. Thanks, man. Hope your Christmas is as best as possible this year and you get to spend some quality time with your family.

It's it possible the body was frozen for a period of time then dumped in the water to " thaw out"? Idk anything about anything, I was just wondering.

What do you think of the Riley Strain case

I don’t think you were confusing in the Friday video. The image you used as an example of how he was found in the water was so creepy, I actually felt scared lmao, I think people maybe didn’t understand bc they did have to pay attention, I say this as someone who finds it hard to pay attention to stuff loo

Personally, I think that a lot of the missing 411/ smiley face killer victims were "boys on the tracks-ed." Mike Hearon specifically was one that brought that to my mind

16:53 that’s what I appreciate of this channel

After hearing this story the Michigan State police makes me sick.

Random, but I'm pretty sure in some states student loans go away if you pass, idk about PA though

You do not recognize the bodies in the water!

Michigan resident here to confirm MSP are unashamedly corrupt

Has anyone seem the Missing 411: UFO Connection?

I think a Sorority is getting justice.

im glad youve had safe experiences with the PA police. the police in Pittsburgh are incredibly violent and it sucks

June 12th 2005 was my birthday. I didnt wish that someone named Todd die under mysterious circumstances and then have local law enforcement mug up the details and cover it up I SWEAR lol😅

He may have been at another part of the lake, if he was drunk, and not being of clear mind he may have taken more of the drugs then intented . Fell in, the water being cold he sunk drifted to where he was found?

I would be inclined it has to do with a local Wealthy family calling the shots in this investigation either a wealthy family son relative or what ever paid someone a lot of money to cover this up or miss lead in investigations

Hey. I found some creepy stuff. I live in casnovia . There's a gully under white and peters road. There's a concrete causeway with a smiley face tag and "we come here to die" written in red. Just went down there and saw this today; weird

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How did they didn’t find any water in his lungs how did they classify it as a drowning?