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the hand is about the decision (not about hand reveal), I gathered. Now, it's hard to tell what to do (on river) because of action mistakes on streets before and no player's profile of HJ. HJ flop bet/call a raise in multiway pot spells lot of power (which is not a backdoor flush draw). He might have an overpair (which I believe he did) OR already have the best hand here (?). Turn bet by H would've answered this (ohh, well). Again, depending on HJ profile this might be a call or fold. Whether he is (A) good player (bluffing) or (B) bad player, (scaring his opponents away with boat), river shove makes sense. . (Now, some people here are outraged by no hand reveal)...the guy called to learn, and so lot of us, and that's the main point of his call. I respect that.

HJ has something like Q6 suited, 86 suited, 76 suited or something like that. Or pocket 2's. Overpairs for the HJ get eliminated by him not raising preflop and not folding on the flop when you raised him and the BB called.

Min raise flop to check turn? Are people that paranoid of opponents folding?

FOLD!! The HJ has Ace 6 at the very least, but I would think he was Stronger than that. Either he had a Flush or a Boat. side note: I would have Jammed the Turn.

Hard to see what flushes HJ gets here with so he’s really only repping 22, 76hh, 77 and maybe A6 which figures that hero and BB also shouldn’t have flushes. But then does HJ really have any bluffs? 54dd maybe? I think it’s a good fold.

Yeah the check on the turn was the big mistake, it's a sign of weakness and now allows the middle player, who is uncapped to represent anything he wants. Flushes, full houses or a better 6 than yours, and by jamming puts you in a tough spot. You should have just kept betting.

On the turn, where we have an SPR of 1, is there merit to betting small? Because if we're going to bet half pot~60% pot, might as well go all in, right?

Think weird turn check saved his stack vs 22. Can't see what else EP has.

What is an over limp?

I think hero's beat, good fold and maybe was never ahead of the shover, but I think hero put himself in a bad spot by showing weakness and checking turn after min clicking flop. I'd say betting turn like 250 into the 550 would help define the hand for everyone. Also in regards to playing the hand multi-way, I think Bart should've focused less on rake, time etc cause those amounts are small when compared to the more serious issue of how much hero is willing to lose on a flush draw, cause thats one of the two main values of 64s, cause you don't play that hand for its pair value lol.

I play at this casino. The 2/5 day game is not good without 6 months of taking notes and adjusting to the tricky OMCs and grinders. The night 2/5 games are hit or miss 50/50 but you have to table select and they only allow one change. I'd say it is the toughest day 2/5 game in the 3 county area but not tough opposition. Likely river player had 76s here and 64cc is a fold. BB likely was an OMC if the caller said he was confident looking for the high hand promo. All these OMCs chase this stupid high hand promo which at times makes it difficult to play against them as they limp in AK, AA, and other big pairs. Quite annoying but they screw themselves more than trap you if you know what you are doing IMO.

He either has 10s, 2s, from set mining. The discussion didn’t mention his pre-flop calling range with his effective stack.

Bet more on the flop to drive out the back door flush draws and milk those aces then shove on the turn. Broadway spades stuck around on the cheap and got there

I know Ian!!!

Fold is correct on the river. Hero absolutely missed a bet on the turn.

A6hh or 22. Easy river fold

Fold pre

For pre, wouldn't you want to be deep, but not too deep? Like if a few of you guys are 500 bb deep, there's some awful reverse implied odds for low suited connectors/gappers and small pairs.

Anyone else franticly checking their not supposed to be in a zoom meeting!

Whats the reason why you can't limp fold pre? Is it because, since everyone called 35, its the same thing as everyone limping?

Good fold I think he had 6 7, or ace 6

I completely disagree with Bart here. You absolutely have to fold this pre. Don’t overlimp, and if you do overlimp, definitely fold vs the raise. This hand demonstrates perfectly why - we flop trips, ok, but when we’re super multiway and get bet into, already a raise is looking very very thin. On other boards we can get over-flushed, we can make second-best straights, this hand just has completely horrible reverse implied odds against all these other hands that everyone else in the hand can have. Yes, “you’re getting a good price” - it doesn’t matter, these multiway spots are just so hard to navigate and it’s so easy to just torch money. Well done on folding the river, though.

I think checking the turn was not good. HJ has 22??

Coconut Creek and Pompano Park are sketchy as hell.

at low stakes, this is a fold on the river 👍

I mean; it makes sense that a Hand like that can get you in a bad spot, especially if one is Perceived as a LAG type. Players can just not expect you to have much. Anyways, this was a bad spot and wrong timing.

Once you limp, you are in any two cards territory for calling a $30 pre-flop raise with four people in the hand already.

Dis mad exploitable. Min click the flop on this dry ass board I’m gonna min click it back n then if you call im over folding to aggression Cost me an extra 125. Instead of me having to make a tough decision for my stack on the river. I doubt he’s gonna do this enough with 3-5s multiway to be any type a balanced. But hey I’m on a HORRIBLE downswing so what do ik😂

Pausing before hero makes a decision on the river. I don't like the min raise on the flop and I hate the check on the turn after getting called in two spots. If he plays this differently it makes the river decision a lot easier if the hand goes to the river at all. I thinks 10's and 7's can't be ruled out especially with the HJ shove. Flush is in play with that turn check as well. Someone could easily float the on the flop with Ax or Kx suited. The way the hero played this by undereppin his hand with that check turn you could be up against a hand like J's or AJ with the A of spade that the HJ is turning into a bluff. No idea what I do here with 1 all in and another player closing the action. Probably fold.

Im checking turn rather for pot control cause i smell rat in HJ shoes . We have almost worst trips and although BB hand is kinda face up but HJ is a real threat with better sixes and 22 boat. So to sum up i think it was good fold imo

Shove on the turn. Represent a boat with TT.

fold pref, bet turn 1/3, as played call river

Should of 4x the flop raise... should of shoved the turn.. imo

And I thought I was the dumb college kid at the tables this guy takes my spot 😂

Just a quick thought...if there are multiple people in the pot dont we want smaller cards due to card distribution?

To much talk. Cut to the quick

Why do you take callers who fold out river and don't have reveal?? There is nothing special about this hand!

It's true though that it is extremely annoying to listen to these kinds of calls and then there is no reveal at the end. At that point, either the caller shouldn't even call it in, or it should be handled in private via email, and the producer, who I assume is Bart, should just disallow very boring hands with no reveal at the end. In hands like this, which again are very boring, a multi-way limped pot with a single small raise and everyone calls... It's just boring. It's the kind of hand you'd see a thousand times at a home game with friends or family who barely know how to play, and without the reveal it offers us absolutely nothing as far as insight into the game goes except for what? He should have folded to the all-in at the end when he had nothing even near the nuts and two other players with money in the pot on that street? You, you don't say. Real big brained stuff there. Hands with no reveal should be limited to those which are extremely interesting, touch on novel or rarely seen concepts in a practical and useful way, raise question in the mind of the audience about what decision they would make, questions which are difficult and will divide people and thus breed discussion and learning, provide very useful examples of either difficult to understand and apply concepts, or touch on concepts that are very common, but still difficult and often misunderstood. I could go on from there, but I think you see my point. This simple list of criteria would improve the quality of these no-show hands a hundred fold instantly. The only possible issue he could run into is that he may somehow wind up with fewer callers or less content or whatever. But I seriously doubt that is even remotely possible, as I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to be on air who could provide a dozen hands at any given time which are at least AS boring as this, but at least they have the reveal at the end, which automatically improves them by at least 100%.

If I had a dollar for every time the caller says 'like', I'd be richer than Bill Gates.

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