The reason Garnt loves the light is because he doesn’t want to be reminded about the dark timeline

it’s cute how garnt is wearing half of connors shirt and half of joeys

I'm taking a degree in philosophy right now, and Joey is making me question why I'm spending 50 grand for this when Aristotle invented thinking

Connor casually just accurately describing every ancient historical war that happened in a nutshell using Tits magee, Deez nuts empires and Chad Garnt as analogies

This entire episode is going to be a prime nomination for the "I made it the f**k up" award

I swear this feels like the kind of conversation where the night's gone to 3am, everyone's getting tired but nobody wants to stop talking

its crazy how connor is capable of saying both smart statements and idiotic statements within seconds of each other

Can’t believe Connor actually makes most sense this episode I’m gonna foam in the mouth listening to Joey talk lmao

Joey with Glasses = Haughty CEO Garnt with glasses = Cute dad vibes Connor with glasses = Super refined Engineer

I feel like this Episode is going to win a shit ton of awards on the Trash Taste Awards Episode this Season.

33:36 Connor: "I saw the light and i didn't like it, so i went to the dark" The dark timeline has expanded. Dark Connor and Light Garnt. Their battle was legendary.

I burst out laughing when they started talking about jamais vous because joey has brought it up in a past episode and no one remembers it

Molecular biologist here. Hearing you talk about science that you know nothing about was absolutely hilarious. Yes, during development there is a period where a baby forms a small tail, before it goes away. And yes, Connor, the right side and left side of your head really do have different functions. Hilarious episode

I remember when my little sister first put on glasses she said "you're supposed to be able to see the leafs on trees?"😂 It was the cutest thing ever.

55:03 A perfect example of Jamais vu would be Garnt meeting Felix for the first time.

As a physics-math major, Connor is the one making most sense in the last bit. That is actually a really good way of explaining "why is a X constant associated with Y number".

Garnt when waking up: */turns on his phone */gets flashbang Garnt: *Ah, what a lovely beautiful bright light.*

garnt being a light mode user makes so much sense omg

Local synesthesia person here: I see colors when I hear voices (or some kinds of instruments, like when someone plays the saw), and I legitimately cannot describe it. Essentially a color just plasters itself on the walls of my brain when someone speaks- like, if I tell you to imagine the color red, you can picture it in your mind right? It’s just kinda like that, but involuntary. Also, if you’re wondering: Grant is dark, golden yellow, Joey is electric blue, and Connor is a walnut-y tan. Yuh

As a "philosophist" student (which ironically sounds like a mesh between philosopher and sophist and Aristotle was actually very anti sophist even though he could be considered one,) pretty much this whole episode brought me pain but especially the philosophy part holy fuck... Aristotle was certainly not the first philosopher nor did he invent thought. If anything Aristotle came like 300 years after who we think of as the first Greek philsopher, namely Thales. Aristotle was also the student of Plato who was the student of Socrates and all 3 have had a huge impact on Western philosophy and Western thought in general (think of concepts like the soul and life after death in Christianity). I think Aristotle's theory on intellectual thought would be that before we just didn't really have time to think, being able to philosophise especially as your occupation is a privilege. I mean most Greek philosophers were people who were well off, because although in many Greek poleis all free men received education in their youth, to become an academic and get a higher education you needed money to pay for classes (and also not starve). On Connor's theory, whilst some conquerors did burn books etc. it wasn't like an universal thing and the reason we have less sources of some societies is because some really did write down more than others or in ways that are easier for us to interpret now. We have lost so many sources and books from amazing thinkers and things that would give us much more insight into the past. In fact, all of Aristotle's surviving works are lecture notes by him or his students or other types of notes whilst all of his published books have been lost forever. Anyway, in general I wouldn't say people never thought about their life before that but everyday philosophising and thinking about life and existence is not the same as academical philosophy. Furthermore, philosophy and religion aren't all that similar! Surely you do have some religious philosophers, though it's arguable how philosophical they are, but religion depends on faith and blind belief. Even arguments for God presuppose the belief of God whilst philosophy is all about having good arguments and finding the truth through reason. One last thing, heck yeah philosophy is important, as Garnt said it's literally shaped the way we think about things now and is also the origin of all intellectual inquiry and thus science!

This episode is like my last three brain cells talking before I go to sleep.

As a psychology student, watching the bois talk about the brain made me both a proud and dissapointed father.

As a history buff myself this episode gave me an agonizing suffering

I love how this whole conversation went from “haughty” to shower thoughts. Remarkable

As a psychology student, as well as philosophy student, this was interesting but it also hurts my whole being

The bois actually experienced Jamai vu while talking about it, as they had the conversation about it before this, but they didn’t think they had.

This episode was basically just, first lesson of every subject in high school. And then talking about it at the pub afterwards. Atleast many of my friends sounded like that. And I probably did too. They almost have the basic understanding, but not quite and then they throw themselves in the deep end and try to explain things from there.

I have synesthesia so I’m going to explain how it is for me: I associate colours with different people and objects. For example: Connor is purple, Garnt is green, Joey is orange, the number 20 is orange, South Korea is pink, the month of June is yellow and the year 2004 is blue. I don’t really know why anything gets their colour, it just pops into my head when I think of it. I’m sure I could spot patterns if I made a list of everything and it’s colour but the only 2 patterns I’m aware of is that orange and green are the most popular colours and pink, white and black are the rarest colours When it comes to how I actually visualise these colours, it depends on what I’m associating the colours with. For people and tangible objects: I imagine the colour as an aura around that person or object. For intangible objects or concepts: I imagine that thing being made out of the colour. As a few examples: when thinking of the number 7 I imagine the number being written in red, time is a white mist, gravity is a purple neon-like glow, the sound of a violin is a brown line, death is a grey duvet and hunger is an orange ball in your stomach Something else I want to point out, I don’t actually “see” these things with my eyes. It’s more like whenever I mentally visualise something, it just comes surrounded with their colour. For an example: when I imagine Connor I see him floating in a purple void

As a biologist this episode was a tough one boys 🥲

As someone who loves philosophy and talking about dumb shower thoughts with friends, this is officially my favourite episode. Never laughed so much from one video before.

Never thought we get a Trash Taste philosophy ep but it also now feels like it was inevitable. Almost none of it was right or even sensible but all of it was hilarious. Thank you.

The boys really took a good whiff out of the bong for this episode

Joey talking about Aristotle as the first philosopher is killing me

This episode was painful to watch xD Also how has no one in the comment section mentioned that Socrates never wrote anything down so all our knowledge about the guy was because Plato thought his shit was interesting enough to write it down? I'd love to see the boys discuss how Socrates was essentially a Plato OC 😂 Also, the answer to becoming smart and not being an asshole is a mix of self-awareness, humility, and empathy. One could summarize it to be someone who has both IQ and EQ.

I have never felt like I needed smoke breaks throughout an episode, until this one.

Hey as a historian I would like to share some of my thoughts regarding the issues brought up in the video! Also I am always glad to hear Connor talk about history in episodes its always very fun! First of all Aristotle or Socrates are quite famous but many others were notable too,coming before them. They belong to different schools of thought and have different specilizations. (Adding a small detail as we are talking about sources Socrates never wrote any of his speeches down. The actual source we have is from Plato who was his student, so when we apply theories to Socrates some of it is Plato's actual thoughts. ) As for sources and how they are preserved : Connor's point about respecting the culture before them really applies to the change from the Hellenistic Period/Kingdoms (Alexander the Great conquering all those places) to the Roman Empire. The Romans were very much inspired by the Ancient Greeks in various ways such as theater, philosophy, rhetorics, art and religion. As for the sources themselves , some books might have been in circulation more, we might have stuff because kids used to have to write it down for their homework for generations. Other times rich people asked their copywriters to save a specific book of an author because they enjoyed their work. In medieval times scriptoria existed doing just that, copying down ancient greek or roman sources in monasteries. Also most of the time we don't have a whole work of an ancient greek writer e.g. There are several times we just have fragmemts of the source because another author just cites them. That can be seen in the famous classical greek tragic writers like Euripides, we have just few of his works and sometimes his play didn't even win but we don't have the ones that won. As for the fall of the Roman Empire and how stuff has been preserved. Well we are still missing ton of it but, the Roman Empire was split into two. The West and the East. When the 'barbarians' such as germanic tribes or the Hunns, took over Rome (which happened a bunch of times) it wasn't just this part of the Empire that preserved stuff. The Eastern Roman Empire so the Byzantines as they were called later still kept going and greek was also the main language at that side of the Empire because it had spread during the period Alexander the Great was just going to places and establishing his empire. Likewise when the Byzantine Empire fell in 1453 to the Ottomans, many philosophers or knowledgable and established people of that time fled to Italy. So how sources are preserved? There is either tons of it, someone tends to want them to be around, authors cite and include part of older sources in their own work stuff is copied down. Also I have talked about the Greeks/Romans alot because it my expertise but in the Arabic world, there were also several translations of ancient sources that were passed down. Also!! The materials used to record stuff in is very important on how its going to be preserved from papyrus to parchement to rocks to paper. Papyrus for example can only be preserved in very specific climatic conditions. That is just some info I wanted to share :] its not too detailed but it has some pretty important bits. Once again my focus is on the general mediterranean area so that is analyzed more here! :) Thank you guys for another lovely episode appreciate all you do!

I wish I was part of this episode. As someone who studies psychology and philosphy, I loved every question and answer you guys came up with. With huge or very little competance on these different subjects, it`s always fun to hear how people react and talk about these type of stuff. I`m hopefully visiting Japan this march and I really hope I meet one of you guys by accident so I can just say how great the podcast is, specially this episode! Btw- the understanding of human behaviour and mind have always been a topic throughout history. Plato was the first one to mention how humans have a soul and that is the essence of a person being and behavior. The soul have many functions according to Plato, but he also describes it as the human`s psyche basically. Psychology finally became a field on its own after science became the acceptable method of studying the psyche as we know of today. Slay.

lol just wanna get a word in for connar about the two sides of the brain thing since I studied this in psychology - first of all, the main reason for disconnecting both sides of the brain through surgery is epilepsy, because epilepsy is caused by the brain firing messed of signals in a somewhat out of control manner and for some types of epilepsy severing the connections between both sides basically cures them completely, and there are almost no real world effects of this. the reason there's almost no real world effect is because while each side of the brain can't communicate anymore generally speaking they will normally receive pretty much the same information, and people who have had this operation basically cannot tell a difference besides not having epilepsy anymore. however, the scientists who came up with this ran a series of very clever and very simple little experiments to better understand how the brain functioned and if some functions were isolated to individual sides of the brain (because they already knew there were two sides with a few major connections between them as they had just chopped those connections in half). there's a lot of interesting stuff to do with these you can read up on but some of these experiments involve stuff like showing a word to only one eye and asking participants to draw it (as we know that the eyes are connected to only one side of the brain each, but normally the two sides can communicate for information processing). the participants found that when the word was shown to the right side of their brain (which is the left eye because the body is weird and annoying like that), they could not say the word for what it was. but they found that they could draw the object with the left hand (controlled by the right side of the brain because humans). however, when this object was shown to the left eye, they could easily identify it and say what it was, but they were unable to draw it. this and experiments like it are what has led to a consensus that a lot of general processes in the brain are actually isolated to one side, for example the language and word processing part of our brain is found on the left side and the image and visualisation part on the right side.

As a history nerd, watching this episode made me feel pain

Garnt: *puts on glasses* Connor: "You look like Thai Harry Potter" Also Connor: *puts on glasses and looks like actual Harry Potter*

Gotta love when the episode continues well past the patreon credits

As one of my favorite teachers in university once said “you’re not your brain, you’re in your brain” and I feel like that applies to the whole synesthesia/deja-vu/colors/DID talk, we always think we’re driving this machine but we’re just in this machine, half of the time our brain is just making things up

This episode is like if my brain split into three different personalities and had a debate with each other during an existential crisis.

Joey: Aristotle invented philosophy. Plato: hold my thoughts. *socrates enters* Socrates: hold my poison. Joey: There's no one who invented philosophy before Socrates *a wild sun tzu appears* Suntzu: hold my art of war *Laozi strolls by* Laozi: hold my tao te ching

This really makes me want to see Trash Taste with a historian guest

Actually I first learned about synesthesia when I watched the anime "Terror in Resonance " because one of the main characters, Twelve, has synesthesia! He said Lisa's (another one of the main characters) voice "has yellow" and that voice color was very rare, and when he said that, I got so curious I looked it up and I was so surprised when I found out it was a real condition! The Human brain is something else ❤

Funny how Garnt is dissing dark themes while wearing a dark theme shirt and Connor is dissing light themes while wearing a light theme shirt.

The closest thing I can imagine to synesthesia is the scene in Ratatouille at the start where he is eating and random colored shapes pop up as he is explaining the food

The pinhole is actually a concept from a test called "The Pinhole aperture". It's used pretty frequently over here to detect if your eye defect is refractive error or is organic.

this was by far one of my top fav trash taste episodes, it was soo entertaining, my mind was blown, especially at the 99% disposition between us and aliens, mind blown

I feel like this was the first episode where Garnt has been the one in the middle while Connor and Joey argue. Also I feel like this episode has had the most clown takes.

As a synesthite, the synesthesia conversation brought much joy! It's literally just two senses being crossed, and hundreds of types exist. Some ARE associations, but others are a physical manifestation of the trigger. For example:I can smell color, though not every color. I can also taste or smell certain words when they're spoken, spelled, or heard

The best shower thought is that the brain not only named itself but it then called itself the "most important organ"

As a paleontology nerd this shit broke my soul

Congrats on Episode 123! I look forward to ep 1234!

A girl in one of my art class in college had synesthesia and she said it’s a condition people glorify but in her case it gets very intrusive in her daily life

These guys are just me, my brain cells, and my bestfriend all having a conversation that never stops branching out like a huge tree. A tree that never stops growing and i love it

For the synesthesia bit I want to say as someone with it it's more like an image in your head. For example, when someone tells you to close your eyes and imagine a scene, you could see that "image" with your eyes closed or open. You can acknowledge that it's there, but it doesn't block your vision or if it's audio play in your ear louder than whatever is physically around you.

Optometrist here :D Pinhole works as it reduces unwanted rays of light entering the eyes that would otherwise cause blurry vision. This is why we naturally squint when we cannot see well. We also use a pinhole test to give a rough estimate on how well someone's vision can be corrected with glasses/contact lenses, or even surgery (laser, cataracts, etc).

Gotta say, Connor might be the youngest, but his takes in this episode really show that he really knows his shit. For example, the counterpoints to Joey calling Socrates the inventor of philosophy he came up on the spot with were really good and well explained aswell

Them: "Mudan, cut that part out" 1:36 Also Mudan: "No, no I don't think I will"

To enlighten you, I have synesthesia. Basically, to better describe what Joey was saying by “you see those colors”, it isn’t something you have to think about. Those colors just mindlessly appear in your head whenever you think of that concept in particular, and those colors are the same every time. One concept I don’t think they touched upon is being able to visualize exceedingly abstract concepts. This is just in my case, but whenever I think of numbers to add or subtract, I always envision them being on some kind of plane, and being in a certain area, which isn’t a straight line. It definitely gets weird when I think too hard about it, cos then I realize that it’s not something I’d ever be able to draw or describe to someone else, but synesthesia can touch upon more abstract concepts like this that may be hard to describe to someone without synesthesia. Edit: also, to further explain what Joey meant, synesthesia doesn’t cause things to actually appear in your vision. Like, I obviously know that I’m not seeing these things physically, but I still see them in front of my eyes, thanks to my mind imagining them.

Joey wearing glasses without needing to is haughty haha

The Synesthesia thing, I experience it with touch. Not universal but there are sensory stimuli that feel like textures or bodily sensations, especially sounds and visuals that bring up textures. A few examples: Light green/teal things feel like mosaics Red feels like a thick liquid Brown/terracota/ocre colors are like gripping a porous hard substance Yellow is like crunching a piece of toast Certain shrill sounds are like an intense aggressive itch on the inside of my lower gums Some very bassy sounds are like a piece of hard material pushing from the inside of my ribcage, expanding The taste of coffee feels like a divider down the middle of my head Certain deep blues feel sponge like in the palm of my hand and the bottom of my feet There are some very specific shades of yellow that make me itch on the inside of my elbows Greys feel like glass Just a quick note: It is not consistent in frequency and intensity and surely there are some that I cannot recall rn (it’s really late in the night so there may be some mistakes in writing, apologies in advance) but the sensations are consistent across different forms of similar stimuli, and they can get really intrusive if too strong. When shit hits the fan dark colored/dimly lit and silent environments are bliss. And yes, I’m on the spectrum

I think the Roman stuff was more about the next group having a function they can abuse. Roads and stuff had a very practical use, so they kept them.

a very simple explanation why you get better eyesight through a pinch hole: Basically, light is scattered and hits your eyes in a sort of a "splash". Through a pinch hole, light from other angles/directions that can enter your eyeballs get blocked and the only thing that remain are straight light through the pinch. Straight light is easier for your eyes to focus on, generally speaking.

Meilyne really hit the gold mine when she put these boys together. Over 300 hours of content and these baby men are still pushing out fantastic material lol

This episode was like a reminder of how fun trash taste can be

So I have associative synesthesia, which is more common that full on synesthesia. Famous example is artist Wassily Kadinski. I’ve been playing piano since I was six and have as long as I can remember a strong association of certain colours to certain notes (and in extension, some chords). For example, C is bright yellow, D is red, E is orange, F is green etc. This has been consistant all my life and is not just imagined, but an inevitable association. I do not have perfect pitch though so I can’t just hear a note without reference and see the colour, I need to know what note it is, but I have pretty good relative pitch so only knowing one is enough to hear the rest (in context). Currently doing a masters in composition! Hit me up if you want any music or arrangements!

I remeber the time when I got my first pair of glasses, I could see the texture on the walls it was so trippy.

1:19:00 Connor conveniently forgetting the Egyptians, whose writing is so ancient it predates Aristotle, feels so British of him. He should be proud

Aki: Joey can you just chill with the haughtyness right now. Joey, wearing a monacle and tuxedo: Sorry honey I'm a CEO now *sips tea

I agree about Garnt about light mode. Why people yawn after another person is yawn is because of behavioral contagion. It's similar to empathy which is known as emotional contagion. It can even be physiological. When two people are looking each other in the eye their pupils are adjusting to be a similar size. That's called pupillary contagion.

I think any other Aussie can agree with this, I really want an uncensored clip or montage of Joey blasting the C word.

01:04:13 Connor casually talking about brain transplant like it's a routine procedure is amazing

Funny part about this is that Aristotle did had a teacher who did keep a record named Plato, who had another teacher called Socrates, the guy who started asking about stuff, whose work Plato wrote down about.

garnt's light mode take made me respect him so much more

Shoutout to the person that perfectly predicted the light mode dark mode debate. That’s honestly legendary XD

Relating hard to Connor's sheer frustration at the boys misunderstanding how concepts work here

As a Finnish person, I can't imagine what it's like to have seasonal depression when living here: you go to school/work and it's dark, you get home and it's already dark again

I really love this episode for all the topics and intresting conversation and THOUGHTS .

Eyesight going bad is instantaneous and Gradual at the same time. I also don't remember having good eyesight but I also remember having better than what I have now. Also, when I first wore glasses when I was 7, It felt like sun just became brighter 😂😂... Everything just looked HD af. I started seeing tiny flowers and all at the tip of these plants around my home and all of a sudden shit started looking colourful coz the flowers had colours 😂😂😂

So the Ship of Theseus iirc goes a little like this: Theseus is the captain of a ship and he is very meticulous with maintenance. When a plank of his ship shows wear and distress, he replaces the plank. When the mast bends and warps, he replaces the mast. When the sail gets torn beyond mending, he replaces the sail. Eventually the entirety of the ship is replaced. On the pier, there is an enthusiastic and obsessive curator of all things Theseus, and he assembles the ship piece by piece for his collection. A few years go by, and Theseus decides having a wooden ship is too much effort, so he goes out and buys a fibreglass ship with a copper bottom. So the question is: which ship is the real Ship of Theseus? Is it the original one, laden with memories of Theseus? Is it the one that Theseus built himself? Or is mere ownership enough to make it the Ship of Theseus?

AFFABLE CHRIS AND HAUGHTY CONNOR MAKE THIS A THING

Best episode in a while, plays out like a drunken conversation late at night with the mates

Garnts mom called his eyesight a skill issue😂

Please tell me it's not just me who just wanted Joey and Conner to swap places so all their T-shirts go from Light mode to mixed to Dark mode.

Connor's argument about evolution makes a lot of sense. He's literally explaining the plot of WALL-E. Which had a lot of commentary about band-aid fixes to our poor choices.

A channel where you get professionals to fact check trash taste arguments would be so good

When Connor was asked what color did he imagine when he thought of God, I was just giggling waiting for him to say white and get embarrassed afterwards, I love this show

I'd love to see people who are well-versed in the subjects the boys touched upon react to this episode and share their insights.

I was going to comment on the synesthesia issue, having it myself, saying that you don't necessarily "see" colors or shapes, but when I went to the piano to check - to really pay attention - I was like "oh yeah, I guess I actually do 'see' colors in the shapes of the keys while I play." It's obvious when paying attention but just subtle enough that it's more like in the mind most of the time. For me, it's almost like the keyboard changes colors as I play. But it's not like the colors blind me from my other perceptions, instead almost being like things glowing a certain hue or highlighted color - for example, f sharp minor is a crimson red while g minor is royal blue; D flat major is yellow and pearl white while d minor is yellowish-orange. Hope that helps.

i never thought i would find the answer to something i’ve always wondered about myself on a podcast, but yeah, i definitely have synesthesia. the one thing that really stands out for me is having certain distinct feelings about things. for example, places. i get different feelings about the current place i’m in, meaning that my house has its own feeling, the town i live in, other peoples houses, even streets has a feeling for me. and the same applies to the media i consume. games, shows, music, books. trash taste it’s self has a distinct feeling to me. it’s very weird and fascinating, again i’ve always thought about how i see and experience things, thinking i was the only one, but i’m glad to know it’s something that others experience as well

45:45 I have synesthesia, it's not easy to describe. When I listen to music, I can see a lot of different things such as clowns for some music, battle scenes for others, and at other times entire stories will come to fruition. The thing about synesthesia is that none of it is intentional. You hear music, you see stuff; you feel a certain texture, you taste spaghetti. I think the weirdest part about my personal synesthesia is that most of the time I see the same things when I listen to that song at a later date - it can be strong enough to trigger an emotional response, similar to Deja Vu. It's not like a flashbang for me either, I can still see and process what's happening in front of me, but it's like I can see both at the same moment.

Connor with glasses makes him 10x more haughtier

I always listen to Trash Taste in the shower and this episode made me have several breakdowns (in the shower)

Loved this episode! It’s these moments that make it so enjoyable to watch y’all argue or have deep discussions about subjects (you agreed) you’re not sure about 😂

54:13 I somewhere read that Dejavu is caused by your brains "writing" & "reading" functions firing at the same time. It is storing what you experience for memory but at the same time reading that memory it is creating. So you remember the moment while experiencing it.

Joey is r/confidentlyincorrect incarnate lmao

Episodes like these are the best ones because they sum up obscure thoughts that we have about a topic we rarely talk about. Be it the dream episode, childhood games, the culture, the animals they could beat in a fight, and some guests with very niche works etc.