Coach, please have a 3rd session with Joe Rogan 🙏 best episodes on JRE of all time in my opinion 💙

I got very sick in 2020 from schizophrenia. If I had watched this talk, I might not have gone to a hospital and may have avoided becoming very psychologically ill, but I hope more people can learn from your wealth of wisdom and knowledge. ❤

I thought firas was an mma coach now I’m here and am having trouble 100% understanding determinism 😭

Very humble, smart, wise and manly individual. Great respect for you!

MashaAllah! When I know, I and everything about me are in God's hand, I feel a deep sense of relief and gratefulness. Alhamdulillah. May Allah increase you more in knowledge, understanding and God consciousness. May He make you a source of good for people.

Love this videos coach you're like the father we all need

Just at the start of the video and I am perplexed at how fast you find an answer to such deep questions. Greatest respect!

"Everything in this universe has a reason but, this doesn't mean that conscious-beings don't have free will." -John Searle

minimalism is something we should talk about, cuz i remember one teacher when i was younger around 11-13 specifically always callin me a minimalist. But for me this is a great thing - it means you only do whats absolutely necessary right. If everybody only did whats absolutely necessary this would be literally a paradise

This touches the idea of non-dualism. Not sure what idea belongs to what religion but ultimately truth unites at this level. Thanks for the great insight 🙏🏽

Thomas Aquinas and Baruch Espinoza taught me this. Coach reminded me. What a noble mind :)

Love it.

my favorite coach

Never get bored listening to this ❤️

Love these philosophy video’s from you 🙌🏼

Everything is determined yet unpredictable. Your entire organism is determined such that it 'could' respond to any particular situation in more than one way, yet you will only get that one opportunity to respond to any given situation, and will never know if you could have actually responded differently. You are determined to act as if you are not determined, and this brings about an adaptive being with a comprehensive set of tools to respond to what is determined, yet unpredictable. Cheers!

I particularly appreciate the Coach’s insights as he taps into both Eastern and Western philosophy. He straddles both cultures to the benefit of all of us, regardless of faith.

Determinism is idea way before Islam.

Jazak’Allahu Khayran my brother amazing explanation

This is by far the most interesting philosophy video I have ever watched. Coach, you are a wizard.

Great insight coach, so basically everything is ruled by desire. And the desire that which is most important overtakes the other desires. Anyone has free will to change his life for the better if the chooses so(he really desires it deep down).

Thought provoking and well explained. But if we go beneath the atomic level, sub-atomic particles dont behave deterministically but probabilistically. So the deepest foundation (sort of) has a gap in the causal chain.

Always love to hear your philosophical insight please answer more of those

I’ve always believed that everything has been decided even the very thought of this and the next thought and action. But I believed this since I was born no one taught me. Just like I always thought of god before anyone taught me about him.

this is one of the deepest quotes I have ever heard. I have been thinking about this non stop for the past week. the only quote that matches it, is Viktor Frankl's "freedom lies in the space between stimulus and response"

Such a cultivated man! TY coach Z

"the whole system is predictable" but, Laplace lived before Heisenberg

Could listen to you all day coach!

"My friend Jason here is dropping a philosophical question" Proceeds to go into the deepest philosophical lecture, lol love Firas

It is what it is - Philosopher Max Holloway

You have a very simplistic definition of determinism that is not scientific in nature. Which is fine but its not what 'most' people think

Nicely put, especially with the Simpsons analogy. For anyone interested in this topic I'd highly recommend reading Schopenhauers: The World as Will and Representation. I had the pleasure to read it as a philosophy student and it basically ruined philosophy for me, nothing even comes close. It's an absolute materpiece. Another good, more casual literature is Thomas Ligotti's: The Conspiracy Against the Human Race. Things become shockingly enlightning as one wanders through the rabbit hole of philosophical pessimism.

interesting opinion Firas, Take a deep dive into quantum physics or philosophy of mind and see if you still think the same.

Since i was a kid i don't know why but my thought was all of us are in someone's tv and he is watching us like we watch tv series.

Firas, I'm a non-dualist and a nihilist. I was a theoretical physics student at university, but I eventually went insane and almost psychotic, after pursuing the absolute truth of my own accord. Solipsism and nihilism made me go crazy for a bit. I arrived at an abbreviated form of the cogito "I am" in my conclusion, but what I also saw was that my self was nothing but a composition of layers upon layers to no end. There's no core to the onion of the self, only more layers. Mentally I'm in much better place since then, since this was 2 years ago. My critique of your worldview (without addressing islam) is that you assume that your version of logic is the ultimate law of reality. You believe that there is an ultimate law or order. It my opinion (I cannot prove it) that the only law to reality is that there is none. You doubt the validity of science, but if you go even further than that, you'll see you can doubt the validity of logic itself. I might be wrong but you seem to believe that everything in existence is tied by cause and effect. This leads you to believe things like determinism. I agree with you that this life is a dream and that materialism is ultimately a belief, where a "belief" is anything that you state to be true but cannot know to be true with 100% certainty.

I understand the principles but how so you explain wave of probabilities of quantum mechanics? Also tests have been made in the collision particles in Switzerland to figure out if they universe is deterministic via super symmetry or chaos. The results came a perfect middle ground between those two. This perhaps means that even if we were in a simulation. Outcome could be calculated but free will would still exist somehow. They would be tons of different universe and outcomes. One rule of the universe is : it doesn’t want to be figured out.

Predetermined to reject determinism

Keep Going Brother, May Allah bless you 🤎

I would say we live in a HYPER, SUPER, ULTRA deterministic universe. No way to sugar-coat it or sweeten it like some "scientists" try to do.

Mean ! Video started with double commercial then every few minutes commercials can’t watch anything on KZfaq anymore

Thanks for sharing Coach Oos

When firas uploads, we watch, we listen. Top lad firas is.

You had me until 13:15 .. just because we can't scientifically prove consciousness yet doesn't mean we won't some day and just because we don't know how it fits into the causal chain today, doesn't mean it's not true. Great video!

the way he talks about Newton like Moses

What if scientists could find that bottle of water your imagining. Its easy to imagine we just aren't there yet scientifically. We couldn't tell if someone was dreaming not too long ago but now throught mointoring brain activity we can. I feel as though it is a natural progression that we will eventually learn the contents of those dreams and more. I think it will be the most complicated scientific hurdle know to mankind and I do think there is a great chance we will never be able to figure it out. If we did figure it out it would absolutely suck but it might happen.

Outstanding as always Chief🧘🏾‍♂️🌟☀️

Based on what I personally have taught myself about the universe for the past 6 months 😐I say we live in a deterministic universe meaning that the physics of nature are set their will NEVER be cone or a square star or planet 😑EVERY star and planet will forever be a a sphere like shape 😐however the part that changes is the size shape or composition and what’s it made form 😐nothing in nature is 100% random 😑I would say we live in a deterministic universe and what that means is the laws of nature is set in stone however the part that changes is the history not the physics 😐and despite accepting that we don’t have free will I’m actually satisfied with it 😐

love your content, loved you on joe rogan, you should return

Mashallah Brother

I still don't understand .. Is it determinism or compatabilism ? where does the free will / free choice as Quran warns us to choose out of, stands ? Especially the simpson's analogy .. so maggie is delusional that she is driving the car but somebody else is in the control ? Then why would maggie get blamed if an accident occurs ? could someone please explain it to me i,the Islamic perspective in the layman's term? I am a muslim but always had strong lean towards determinism and fatalism no matter how many times I read Quran.

Coach I have spent years on this topic and I need your input. When Allah asked the pen to write, did He meant to write what will happen (pure knowledge) or what He wanted to happen?

More philosophy please

"You either agree with determinism or you don't understand it" or you don't understand quantum physics at all.

Coach look into quantum physics. Killed the physics argument for determinationism

I'm confused how the problem of consciousness introduces Free will isn't personal experience determined (by environment if not genetics)? Even if consciousness is not part of the causal chain, is it not influenced by determinism?

Mash'Allah brother, that's an excellent explanation for the soul.

So if our gen and environment, what can we do to change it, coach?

Very good video, as a Christian, one of our confessions of faith states similarly: From all eternity God decreed everything that occurs, without reference to anything outside Himself. He did this by the perfectly wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably. Yet God did this in such a way that He is neither the author of sin nor has fellowship with any in their sin. This decree does not violate the will of the creature or take away the free working or contingency of second causes. On the contrary, these are established by God’s decree. In this decree God’s wisdom is displayed in directing all things, and his power and faithfulness are demonstrated in accomplishing His decree.

Coach I have one question! How is the brain not part of the causal chain? It exists of atoms.

My brain just realized that the mind is watching it form the corner 🥲🥲

It is because you can choose what you want but you cannot want what you want.

come here for my philosophy lessons, im curious if animals have this consciousness too or is it just humans?

Coach you articulated that in a way a dummy can understand i.e. me... I relate well to homer so thanks for that analogy. Beautiful

Bonjour M. Zahabi, J'apprécie beaucoup votre présentation du problème, d'autant que vous vous adressez à un large public. Je crois cependant que la conception déterministe de la science classique demande à être nuancée, eu égard aux progrès scientifiques depuis Poincarré et Einstein (théorie du chaos et science quantique). La question suivante demeure en suspens : qu'en est-il de la nouveauté, de l'imprévisibilité de la vie et de l'univers sans faire intervenir tout un arrière-plan théologique où un Dieu omniscient aurait voulu à l'avance tout ce qui s'est produit et se produira ? Comment apercevoir dans cette "soupe primordiale" dont parle Dawkins le iPhone, la théorie de Al-Ghazali ou la crème glacée napolitaine ? Il y a nécessairement de l'imprévisibilité dans ce monde. Autrement dit, le futur n'est pas écrit. Vous semblez être dualiste, pour garder une place à ce qu'on peut appeler la conscience et que notre expérience personnelle ne peut dénier. Pour résoudre le problème scientifique du déterminisme, vous faites alors appel à l'harmonie préétablie de Leibniz, le parallélisme de Spinoza ou à l'occasionnalisme (vous citez un philosophe arabe mais on peut aussi penser à Malebranche). De la sorte, la conscience n'est qu'une illusion subjective qui "émane" ou vit en parallèle d'un monde entièrement déterminé par les "lois de la nature". Votre dualisme n'admet donc aucune interaction possible entre ces deux substances (la pensée et l'étendue). La question reste cependant de savoir si l'esprit peut agir sur le corps, auquel cas il y a encore une place pour la liberté humaine. J'ai le sentiment qu'au final, la question de l'auditeur n'a pas été répondue... Qu'en est-il de la responsabilité dans un monde où tout est écrit à l'avance ? Je vous invite à visionner cette vidéo d'Ilya Prigogine, qui réfléchit à ces questions. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNaVjKV_qK7Oiqc.html Je vous salue ! François

Id spider guard arm bar Satan just like you showed us coach

9:40 I might be wrong but wouldn't an MRI reveal activity in certain regions in your brain? And with enough data we could build a map for your neuron network and eventually have enough to look at the heatmap and determine "Firas wants a drink right now"? I have a real hard time acknowledging the mind because every single thing you experience can be explained by neurons firing or hormones being exchanged (love, taste, anger, peace). But I think the universe is deterministic as well, we think we have free will but we're just running our default program.

Does he have a brother who is a gamer?

Interesting take on determinism and combining it with occasionalism. I've also thought about this same vein of explanation to combine these two observations, cause and effect and free will. A way I like to see it that simplifies it is that Allah is outside of time and space, like an author writing a book. We, the characters are given free choice and because Allah is outside of time, He knows that choice beforehand and then writes it in at that moment, setting off the cause and effect chain into the past and future simultaneously. Another possible view is that Allah creates all possibilities including all possible choices of everyone and depending on our choice, we bring that possibility into our consciousness and "reality". Kind of like a quantum probability collapsing into a single point.

How do you prove that free will exists?

video is true time is a mortal perspective in reality it's happening all at once and thus is "predetermined"

Jazaka Allah khayran for this video brother Firas! Would please tell me the name of the 3alem you spoke about in the last minute?

I love hearing from the Muslim philosophers. I've heard a lot of the Western thinkers, it's really cool to hear how other men from other cultures came to similar conclusions often earlier

damn, i didnt even know coach zahabi could talk about things like this, i feel i could listen to him for hours

Nope, we have the capacity for free will. Most actions are determined, but we do have the ability to use free will. Not doing so is generally out of nescience, but if an individual chooses to give up free will..... that's a choice perhaps.

There are so many technical examples of why the universe is not deterministic that determinism is purely a belief system at this point

Religious people are prime purveyors of determinism. Physicists studying quantum physics probably would disagree with determinism.

Coach, I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I tend to agree with the idea that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon of computation, I still disagree with the idea that because consciousness is not predetermined by our genetics we can therefore say it's outside the chain of causality. There are two bases for my claim. The first is that there is absolutely no place for free will experientially. Anyone with a psychedelic/transcendental experience or who has any lengthy experience with meditation will recognize this. You have no freedom over your or your choices because there simply is no single "you" that chooses. That is, there is no entit which is a unity, or a homunculus that determines between different choices and thoughts. In its most raw form, one can observe that every experience, including thoughts, just appear and dissapear. There is no explanation for why they appear or why one chooses anything. I am a panpsychist and I believe that consciousness is a fundamental part of our universe at the most minute level. That does not mean that there is any room for choice in experience. This can be observed if one just sits with one's thoughts long enough. Secondly, there is no denying the effect of our materiality on consciousness. The way neurosurgeons can affect different people's behaviors through targeting certain parts of our brain is a clear example. Other examples also include how people's subjective experiences can change with traumatic brain injury, split brain syndrome etc... I just don't see where there is room for consciousness to create any room for freedom of choice. I hope I haven't misunderstood your point and wish you nothing but the best! I always love listening to your perspective when it comes to everything that is philosophy and martial arts.

Quantum physics is the only thing, in my eyes, with the Copenhagen interpretation at least, that disproves determinism

Hey coach your philosophy, and the support for it, are based on classical physics (ie a somewhat outdated) perspective. What I mean by this is the argument using Newton and Laplace to support determinism completely disregards the modern findings due to experiments and theoretical findings in quantum physics. Determinism starts to break down ,more clearly, when we get closer and closer to fundamental building blocks (particles) or to systems of certain sizes (think condensed matter systems such as twisted bi layer graphene). Note I say more clearly because this quantum phenomenon is still available at large scale, its just heavily suppressed (you’d have to go into the details of the math to see this). I bring this all up to say we in the modern age should probably consider an update this philosophy about determinism, as we have discovered it’s not as simple as the world is or isn’t deterministic.

Dope, 🙏💎🔥

Whatever is gonna happen, is gonna happen. Nothing else is possible.

Determinism could easily prove itself by prediction. If your son at 10 likes vanilla but when he's 30 prefers chocolate it should be easily predictable, after all it is determined. The determinists should have the ultimate goal of disproving probability and the math backing it. Further to do so the basis to do so would have to start with subatomic particles which the movements are probabilistic, can change based upon observation, and as yet are understood as a dynamic system.

Im absolutely sure im a man. No doubt

I was determined to listen to this and ask this question… Who was that last philosopher mentioned and what was the material?

This is COMPLETELY not what everyone agrees with. People sacrifice their greatest pleasure constantly for many many many reasons

I believe in soft determinism. Yes I believe you have a choice but depending on the environment you’re more than likely to make a particular choice.

What if you are determined not to understand it?

Its a set up

"You either agree with free will or you don't understand it"

Coach please start a philosphy channel!

I've thought about this many times but didn't know the name for it.

When someone tells you something by starting, "Everyone agrees with this," you know you are getting some real bullshit.

Nah there is an epistemic underdetermination between humans not able to predict things/modelling phenomena in terms of cause effect relationships in certain cases and calling those cases instances of randomness vs us projecting order and cause effect models on what is in reality a completely random spontaneous universe and then there also is the view that 'things' and those conditions that are necessary for things to exist like space are dependently arising and thus ultimately illusory while in reality there is no differentiation at all which renders the whole randomness vs determinsm debate obsolete. Also your argument for compatibalism seems to assume dualism and if this is so how do you account for the interaction problem?

What proof is there that determinism is true? How does quantum mechanics play into these theories?

Not to detract from anything that Coach Zahabi has said, I would like to add my thoughts to help Jason also. Side stepping the idea that pleasure is man's highest desire, because that is easily refuted by examples such as people going to a certain death to defend others. There is no pleasure in that but it is of the highest calling. It can be said people in general seek to belong to something and have hope in something in which they believe. They will forsake everything to gain this type of fulfillment but it is really not pleasure. Now little else is built in to humans other than these two common traits, belonging and hope. We are not like lower forms of animals with built in preprogramming for survival. We need knowledge to survive. As Coach said all is determined, but we can't fathom this, we see our life as a series of choices and this seems true for us in space and time. But for God, He lets his prophets know that He exist outside of this realm. All is true in all three of the great religions. He see past, present and future in continuity and knows all things. Your genetics is God's code for each living thing but not all instructions are the same for each creature. God has characteristics that never change, God is the same 6,000 years in the past as God is today and exists on a plain we cannot comprehend. Our individual instructions are a gift from God, but with all gifts they can be misused. Fortunately God created the messangers, we know them through history as angels. God did not place some people on earth for an eternity of punishment, God provided instructions for his greatest creation, humans. But, because of sin, which is failure to meet God's requirements for his highest level of creation and because you have a real time free will, humans as well as angels have this, but the father of all lies, satan was also an angel, and failed his Creator with pride and evil deeds. As Coach said Jason, you are the sum of your genetics and environment, but you are also a moral actor held accountable by God in real time with choices as we humans know it, and a just and loving God must punish sin, but was also loving enough to provide you God's instructions. Now, not all instructions are correct, some have come from God and some from the father of all lies, the devil. If you want to avoid being damned to an eternity of torment, you must choose wisely. There can only be one way to God, God is not multifaceted, God is unity, I am that I am, and unrepentant evil will be punished on earth, sometimes, but definitely after death the doers of evil will certainly be punished eternally.

Haven't watched yet but I will Coach I am a Christian We have two schools of thought that ultimately encompasses this question Calvanism vs armanism Does God choose his followers or do we have freewill?

Hi coach, I am wondering how determinism can be with quantum physics aswell theory of chaos of molecules?

Firas how often are you working out in this present momment

I look at it like this: the world seems like it is non-deterministic because we can’t compile all information together to understand how events will unfold. However, if we imagine that we did have all information of the universe and an impossible ability to understand how all things, feelings, objects, physical forces, personalities, etc etc interact with each other, then you would find that there is one “sequence of events” as Firas puts it. To have two diverging sequences would mean that some piece of data, for example touching a hot stove compels you to remove your hand when all other factors in the universe are equal, has a random outcome - but obviously there are things that influence our behavior in such a scenario, e.g. fear of getting burned, pain. If someone does touch a hot stove for a length of time, there will be a reason - can’t feel pain, hasn’t done it before, derives pleasure pain for example, which all originate at some earlier point in time. To me at least, it definitely seems more difficult to argue for a non-deterministic universe. That said, what I find interesting to ask is since we as people are not intelligent enough to know the sequence of events that the world is governed by, can you be held responsible for things as you would in a system that believes in a deterministic world. I would think not. Interesting clip, I didn’t expect to see this kind of clip from this channel.

You would never call Newton, a Christian scientist. Not sure why your first description of Ghazali was Arabic, then corrected to Islamic where in fact he was Persian, who followed the most common religion in his region at the time. The religious determinism especially in Islam comes from you having to believe ultimately that Allah is the ultimate source of power and knowledge. If you were to do a move without him having known that prior, would diminish that, and if he does know, he planned it. "The lord had created and balanced all things and has fixed their destination and guided them". But then in contrast we also have a an example "And as for thamud, we guided them, but they preferred blindness over guidance". The example that you brought up that "we are determined to punish you for your sins/ crime" let's say is fair for us humans, but for God to punish you for it in after life, is he also bound by the rules of determinism? Or does he have Free will? If he does I remember a verse "we guide to light those who we chose" or something along that. To create a sinner, know they can and will sin and punish them for it, is a sadistic act, but that's the paradox of religion. Is God ever omniscient and omnipresent, or has God created the universe and what follows is out of his hand. For one you can "justify" punishment for sins/ crime, for the other you can't.