In a survival sense, fighting them is really not worth the reward, imagine so hard fighting them when you just get skulk catalyst. Mojang added the drops for the sake of technical Minecraft, in this case, player like Ilmango. They said it shouldn't be beneficial to "fight" them, not farm them. Warden is mob to be avoided at all cost, and not worth fighting them.

@@Grittled yeah I guess you’re right. But still, 8:34 seems a bit strange to me 😂😂

@@midaspool6229 I don't know much about that, but I think it's spawning in multiple chamber and immediately go to nether before the 10 second cooldown reset. I could be wrong though.

@@Grittled I know how it works, it just amazes me that Ilmango finds a way to make the mobs intended to be useless useful in such a way. It seems strange to see multiple wardens dying per second because they are intended to be scary.

@@Grittled the cooldown is assigned to a player. That’s why there could spawn multiple within 10 seconds. The wardens spawn inside of the portals and are immediately send to the one portal in the nether.

Given the bottle of enchanting always kind of sucked I really hope they don't remove this. Perhaps give us a more difficult setup required to get this much catalyst (possibly not involving farming a mob to get it, maybe something like those intensive bonemeal farms) so it's more balanced. I really just wish the game had a better way to store XP and this seems to be the best way to do it

@@casualbird7671 idk if I'd call Bottles o' Enchanting bad, an added benefit is that trading for the bottles alone will give you tons and tons of xp.

and so the downfall begins

If I remember correctly, their goal was to try and replace OP xp farms, so they essentially achieved that.

"in trying to rid the world of weapons... you gave it it's best one ever!"

That would be scary!!!

Gotta add some menacing signs in the nether that day "you are now entering the Warden Farm Zone. Don't activate new portals in this area..."

@@YounesLayachi "This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here. What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger. The danger is still present, in your time, as it was in ours. The danger is to the body, and it can kill. The danger is unleashed only if you substantially disturb this place physically by making a nether portal. This place is best shunned and left uninhabited."

@@coconoisette nice

Lure them all into a hole and you've got a mob switch lol

Honestly, the only thing stopping them is the lack of reason to farm them (because Wardens were useless), but with this much portable XP...

dont forget trapping/glitching enderdragon ai with the platform :)

Farming dirt, or sand, also very difficult

@@YounesLayachi Can you farm sand indefinitely? (not including duping) I know dirt and gravel are now but sand I think is still "non-renewable"

@@YounesLayachi Sand and other gravity blocks are easy to get. Dupe wise of course.

you can do the nether wood saplings with a bonemeal farm and do it that way, smart piston and observer setup I don't like duping and especially tnt either we should have renewable sand and be able to craft dispensers easier etc hold shift and ctrl to do all items in inventory or something a new dimension with a nether to overworld distance style portal but instead of 8 blocks make it 100 blocks overworld to new dimension 1 block and make rails much faster with new materials, 5x faster than activator rails use copper in tools armor and redstone copper should be in all redstone to make slightly different effects imagine a copper observer for example similar but different enough intrinsic motivation, rpg style, magic power spells and system, mana, actual use for levels etc

At first they were but not anymore.

Ikr

At some extend they are still useless in vanilla unless you run a plugin like slimefun / runes that consume much xp . Hypotetically you need many resources and minimum of prot 2 diamobd armor to survive melee attack & others farm run on less xp but give resources. The point is you have already all you needed

@@naythlamer_4279 you still need to repair items from time to time so it can be a great replacement for exp bottles, and the fact that this can run remotely is just the perfect portable exp

@@naythlamer_4279 Yeah .It could be useful in a new world but you won't be needed this in a long time server unless you spend a lot of Exp somehow .

the fact that deep dark almost always is too short to tower away from a warden is so evil

You don't have ender pearls ?

@@YounesLayachi nope, it’s a new world, I was trying to get past the deep dark so I could get my first diamonds. I literally had basic unenchanted tools and iron gear.

@@philip4534 shipwrecks are my go-to for easy early-game diamonds, risking the deep dark with only iron gear seems not super worth it

@@samspence687 yeah, I agree, it’s my first exposure to it so I decided to try, it really wasn’t worth it lol. Def going to be trying alternative methods

wouldnt it be an "offline detector" ? i think once you log out the arrow gets "disconnected", or am i wrong?

@@AkiSan0 hmm I'm not sure, I only know that it only works when the player is online. I'd have to do a bit of testing to find out

I think it's still "your" arrow, I'm not entirely sure though

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@@M_1024 hello

the sensor just updates the piston too fast. if you place redstone dust between the sensor and piston, it brings the 49-50 tick cycle up to 50 ticks and you lose the 2 seconds of waiting for another piston cycle before it hits 200 tick cooldown

They neutered skulk the moment it would only drop 1 xp per block combined with only players making it drop xp. 53 catalysts is one full pickaxe 1 catalyst is 20 skulk So 1060 or around 16.6 stacks are needed to repair a pickaxe. (disregarding the additional xp costs of repairing the hoe breaking the skulk.)

One day me and a friend made a trap (Warden egg on dispenser), I activated it by accident. Then the next day we trained in creative mode a way which worked 3 times. Dig a 3x5 2 block deep hole, closed trapdoors on the long parallels and shoot from afar.

already way too easy

yes.

Yes but i guess it’s much slower and bulkier than that totally crazy falling block entity system

@@midaspool6229 does that effect the whole world?

nether star seems too hard and very strange since the nether star is as the name implies a nether object so to reactivate a sculk shrieker a overworld item requiring a nether item might make people think that the warden is powered by a nether star or smth it just complicates the lore too much so i believe some sort of loot will be enough maybe an echo shard or 3 echo shard put together in a crafting recipe AEA AEA AEA A= Air E= Echo Shard should be good

@@johnipjaymartus703 the netherstar pattern was originally in the center of the catalyst and the removal of the placed blocks summoning it was supposedly added to force players to not be able to summon a boss on others for PVP balance, however i think that requiring the two bosses to trigger its use could be a decent option for balanced yet gated access. Otherwise it would need other, far harder to get materials to really balance out, and most of those are far less renewable.

@@ConnorSinclairCavin yes but star patterns is not unusual however the nether star a NETHER star seriously doesng make sense why do you need an item from a diffrent dimension to activate a naturally spawning block in a diffrent dimension

No

@@johnipjaymartus703 you need blaze powder and a ghast tear to craft an end crystal. End crystals are naturally occurring in the end, yet you need 2 items from a different dimension in order to craft one. 3 if you count glass, since normal glass and sand can't be found anywhere in the end, only purple glass

Honestly I still use an endermen farm. It's so cheap and easy to make and gets you to 30 in just like 1-2 minutes

This is an excellent idea for a video, i hope he makes it. As of now, endermen farms are probably the way to go

probably use an enderman farm. There are designs for both Java and bedrock and they are easy to make and setup. Enderpearls are also life savers at times

Dont use kelp use cactus

A zombiefied piglin farm on the nether roof (at build limit) is probably the easiest and more useful in terms of loot that an enderman farm. You can also get pearls from piglin trading (which you can automate using the gold from the zombiefied piglins).

That's literally how it works lmao

@@user-ox3ov2qt5o That's literally the opposite of what Tophie said. Your comment doesn't make sense.

@@user-ox3ov2qt5o "If a sculk shrieker is placed by a player *or generated via a sculk catalyst*, the tag can_summon is set to *false*." I think you need to read that again.

@@bable6314 Only shriekers which are generated with the ancient city are capable of summoning Wardens. All other shriekers have the "can summon" ability set to false. As ilmango mentions in the video, the only way to change this is with commands.

@@PBTophie I thought all pre-generated shriekers could spawn a warden. So even a naturally generated shrieker in a deep dark biome (without the ancient city) would not summon the warden?

Wouldn't be that bad if they move to the sculk tbh but they'd probably remove both

No. But a warden switch exists. Search it. It needs to happen in an exact tick and the arrow movement doesn't do that perfectly.

yes, you need to make sure it's loaded

Although sending them to the nether and dropping them into dripstone is nice. It isn't really viable for bedrock edition.

theres really no way of instakilling them practically, since they have so much health. there are arrow railguns though

who said theyre gonna remove zombie piglin xp farms?

@Blua xd lol that's not true. the bug that exists is that mobs drop xp if they are agro at you even if you didn't kill them directly i.e cramming. so why would zombie piglin farms not work if u just killed them with a sword???

@Blua xd lol I read it. I just don't get op's point. his idea already uses a afk person placing items down so why not use an afk person attacking pigmen and get xp easier

@Blua xd but they'll be fine with an afk person constantly placing blocks? isn't that the same thing

@Blua xd lol so now u use another bug. lovely logic

@12:18 this may not answer your question but I thought it might help

​@@iwenttogoogleheadquartersa1397 this is why I asked - is it the same as in case of dying

@@LukaszSebastian probably. you only need to load the arrow by going near it

Yeah, this can be used to detect online players, just connect it to a redstone lamp with a pulse extender and voila.

That's an interesting challenge! (Beyond me probably...)

I don’t see how that would maximize xp. you get the three on top of the seventeen, so by sorting them wouldn’t you be loosing out on some xp? The idea of an xp sorter is really cool though.

@@glitch8960 a player can only absorb xp orbs at a set rate, so higher value orbs mean you could gain xp faster

@@rjamsbury1 ok

Nope, just tested it myself and it doesn't work. Shame.

The thing is that between the time it takes for the sensor to activate and deactivate, so the arrow falls again, and the sensor communicating with the shrieker, it is possible to activate another shrieker somewhere else in the world, assuming the 10 seconds cooldown also ends in that time.

The piston cycle shown in the video is 49-50 ticks. The cooldown is 200 ticks. So it takes 5 cycles to activate the shrieker each time. Separating the sensor and the piston so that the piston doesn't update as fast makes the cycle 50-51 seconds. So after 4 cycles (202 ticks) you're finished with the cooldown. There is a 2 tick window in there where you could still spawn a warden making that simple setup about 99% reliable.

You could build multiple to cover the gap

I think the warden can only spawn if there are no other wardens within a specific range of blocks. Not sure tho

only the player can trigger the shrieker with vibrations, for other entities to work they need to be on top of the shrieker

Would not work. 50/50 chance for the warden to spawn near you or your farm

needs to be player ignited TNT, then anything goes

@@davidbischi You could technically get "player lit" tnt from using an arrow you fired which has flame and is kept alive on a piston such as in their 1m gunwpower per hour farm, can't use tnt duping of course, but can have dispensers placing tnt for you so it can still be automated

@@zaron31116 oh yeah right ilmango showed that, totally forgot about that again. but how would that work with the dispensers and placing tnt? does the arrow only need to hit it once in entity form and itll work? or do you have to ignite the actual block? because with an actual block i could only see a piston feedtape being a possibility

@@davidbischi I don't remember exactly how it can be setup, check out vids on tnt looting though

OP XP farms are tight!

yes

Probably because the arrow has a 12 second cycle (piston has a 2 second cycle and exactly 10 seconds is still inside the cooldown) So every 12 seconds there is a 2 second window were it's out on cooldown

Thats easy with entity seperation. The bigger one always drops "first" in the tick and therefore has a lower entity id. ilmango knows this already :)

loaders yes, mango was just in spawn chunks so it was loaded

Its part of the Carpet mod

@@JustJum How do I enable it?

@Blua xd lmao

build spawn layers above y62 works

just like arrows, tridents thrown by players do despawn if you don't move them around. yes, you can use a trident for this but what's the point, just use arrows.

Sculk catalysts are only triggered if a player is nearby, or by a player action such as a player-fired arrow. An arrow's despawn timer resets if it gets moved, such as with a piston. I think the farm by itself doesn't load chunks. You need to make a chunk loader to keep it running.

Long story short, when the arrow falls to the piston, the sensor thinks it was shot by a player. and as @batbrain1998 said, you do need a chunk loader unless you are in the spawn chunks.

You need chunk loaders or if you're lucky enough to find a deep dark biome in the spawn chunks

@@batbrain55 thank u sm and everyone else

I'm 30 minutes in with my piston arrow setup surrounded by wool and everything in sight (warden spawn range, 11x11) covered in carpet. I think I finally stopped it from happening. I used the arrow trick with shulkercraft's warden farm. It may not matter but I also dug out 2 blocks below the piston and placed a carpet on that hole's floor.

it loses its ability to summon the warden but yes they are movable

i think each individual player has to be online

They need to be online.

Yes

no, shriekers have a block tag that tells them if they can summon the warden. This is enabled on generated shriekers in the deep dark. but is disabled on shriekers from catalysts or placed by the player or moved by pistons

@@ahmed4363 you cannot move shriekers with pistons. and even if you could, they wouldn't stop being able to summon wardens if they have that tag.

I think the wardens going through the portal might already be loading the chunks but I'm not sure

@@JustJum In the portal version, yes, but if you want to make one without portals and keep everything in the overworld, you will need a chunk loader.