They were actually less expensive. The street value is about 50%. They are no where near my current subs, in output or quality. They are good subs, but they are only good for their given size. Not much output compared to the Big Boy ID direct companies.

Vinny Diesel haha yeah, just know i am very inspired by your build! I often feel like people judge me on my hobby of hometheater, and like why i love speakers , but i just wish they would understand.

@@paulwenzel8914 Yeah, I get made fun of plenty by friends and family. Everyone thinks I am crazy. I have an extreme personality, I don't do anything lightly, I go all in.

Vinny Diesel yeah same here man, once i understand something that i am interested in or i can get progress on and with a great result, i get extreme.

Cool songs, some deep bass there. I really like hope in hell, great voice.

If you like Otzeki then I recommend True Love and Falling Out as well. Both have good bass.

Watch fo your ears man ! :D

operamatt I did it on my Instagram.

Vinny Diesel good stuff, wish i had ig.

Willie D. Washington thank you sir!

I don’t know if they are better. That’s hard to definitively decide. For my room and use the JTRs are better. Much easier to place and stage. They also are much louder and meaner. Movies it’s not even close. Music is where the 13a’s shine. Just need to have a perfect room for Martin Logan’s.

@@MusclesAVS Thanks for your response! I can't wait to upgrade from my Klipsch 8000s. I'm a Rel fanboy over high-level connection, but your setup is amazeballzzzz! Keep posting content :)

Its possible but Rythmik has a unique sound signature and setup process. If you aren't really adept to tuning subwoofers and getting them to work together I would stick with the same subwoofer.

Liquidsnake don’t pair the subs. You just be bringing the Rythmik down to the others subs level. Try the Rythmik by itself.

I actually have a totally flat REW response and run a MINIDSP. It was almost totally flat to 10hz before audessey. I have to run the subs this way because I use a McIntosh C2600 for music and I only run the Rythmiks for music. They are the most accurate subs I have ever tested, the only ones I will use for music, nothing has come close. Thanks for the tips though, I have this thing finally dialed and I need to enjoy it. I will be upgrading my electrical next week, hopefully that will be it for a while :) .

Vinny Diesel that is awesome. Rythmiks are the cleanest subs I have heard to date. What are your thoughts on the jtr subs for music compared to the rythmiks?

Bon Scott they use a dsp which creates a 7 second delay. I can’t really do a head to head with them because I have no way of getting the delay to my speakers to match them correctly. I could do it with a second minidsp but I am content with the amount of bass I get from the 2 F18 Rythmiks. The JTRs add a ton to movies and games though.

Sadly, almost none of this stuff is currently in my system. I changed almost the entirety of it.

Zoe is a total basshead don't worry about her.

If you are going for movie watching you are going to want to go ported. I have an SB13 Ultra for my bedroom system. Its a capable little sub but it is not good for movies. The best bang for the buck out there is the Rythmik FV18 Paper cone sub. Its like 1800$ and it doesn't really have any competitors in that price range.

@@MusclesAVS Hey Vinny, I've been debating between FV18 and F18. Would you say it's fine to go FV18 for music? I'm concerned as people warn that ported subs can be muddy and slow for music.

Id say the G25HP is better for music and the JTR is better for Movies(more violent down low). I also liked the small footprint of the JTR. The RS1 might be my all time favorite sub for the size, cost and output.

Adnan Abbas hard to say. I don’t know your budget or listening habits. The RS1 is a small subwoofer that puts out a ton of sound. It has a very powerful low end. The Rythmik is punchier but has about 3db less output.

Pros for Rythmik. Cost is much lower and they are faster and more accurate. They don’t have the low end of the JTRs. If budget is no concern I would go with JTR for movies. They have significantly more output than the rythmiks. If I were movie focused I’d go RS1.

@@MusclesAVS I really appreciate your response and value the fact that you've owned both!!!! I've been looking for videos of someone who's had both and you literally have both in the same room at the same time 😁. Saving my pennies for RS1 it sounds like

zedrick zedwick I think i know they setup you’re talking about. The owner passed away this year. He had a heart attack while swimming. Very sad.

no way, that’s horrible. that guy was like the home theatre king. your set up is pretty cool. jtr is great and those amps are really nice.

The woofers aren't used for midbass. It's a 3 way speaker. They probably have the most powerful midbass of any speaker I have ever heard. Gunshots in movies sound like no other speaker out there. Literally will scare you out of your seat.

I have one 20amp and 2 15amp. 15amp should be fine, honestly.

@@MusclesAVS thank you!

I have actually never heard a PSA subwoofer. I bet they are great though.

That’s funk audio. They are definitely works of beauty. I have 2 new subs coming in 2 weeks. I’m done. I’ve found my end game.

@@MusclesAVS OHHHH I think you & I have recently chatted on AVS on the Funk thread. I didn’t make the connection. Yeah man Nathan & Cody make incredible incredible subs man. Funk & Harbottle are separate but similar yes. I have the Harbottle TLD 18” which is just a beautifully performing subwoofer & the Funk M1 amp I have on it has such great DSP functionality it’s great. So which subs do you have coming? Don’t tell me LFE24......

I ran audyssey with it at zero/cut and then moved it up to about 3/4 of the way up and tested it with REW. It gave a very healthy house curve :)

@@MusclesAVS nice!! Thank you! I'm looking for to it. I paid extra for a gloss black paint. Hope it looks great

I still have them both. The JTR's cost about 800$ more or so. The Rythmiks don't have as much output but they are so clean and precise. The JTR's are like sledge hammers, just downright evil. If you like movies more than music I suggest you go ported.

@@MusclesAVS I'm definitely about 90% movies, but JTR doesn't sell any affordable ported subwoofers anymore like the CAP 118. I was thinking these RS1 are beast enough that it wouldn't matter if they're sealed. But that changes my options to PSA V1801 or Rythmik.

@@Smellslikegelfling Just get an FV18 Paper cone Rythmik. Best of all worlds and like 1600-1800$. One of the best bangs for the buck out there.

Slimer 4ohm

Vinny Diesel thank you man

Jose T SVS is the bottom of that list. I won’t buy PSA subs. I have had the F18s. They are badass. I currently have the RS2. They are by far the most powerful of the bunch. They pound!!!

Vinny Diesel thank you for the feedback it’s hard to find good advice with everyone only talking about svs subs

Jose T people review them because they have free return shipping. Bottom line is they are very overrated. They are decent but not in their price range. Beginner subs for sure.

Yeah, I hope I can edit the description to add them. I will try to do that now.

Vinny Diesel awesome! Thanks! Keep the videos coming, love keeping up with your system. Stumbled across you when researching rythmik subs now I’m hooked.

Benjamin Brown I’m using mid damping 12hz

how would you compare the sound quality of the two?

@@benjaminbrown5430 Honestly, I have a hard time comparing anything to Rythmik. They are simply above all in regards to sound quality. The JTR absolutely smashes movies and games though. TBH I think I hit pay dirt on combining them both because the low end grunt of the JTR is met with the mid/high end finesse and punch of the Rythmik. Gun fire in movies is specatacular while explosions of insane weight of the JTR.

@@MusclesAVS I've had quite a few subs. I downsized and settled on a F15HP a bunch of years ago. I really enjoy it, I just wish it had more output. I almost bought a S1 when it first came out. I dont think a F18HP will be much gain. I was thinking of adding another or go to one FV18 possibly or a RS1. Thanks for the feedback.

@@benjaminbrown5430 Go with a G25HP, it was the best sub I have auditioned thus far.

212RT's and the center is the 210RM.

Gus w too hard to compare. For movies JTR is better. For music ML is better. They are both very different designs for very different purposes.

I already sold them both. I have RS2s right now but they are for sale now too. Rythmik G25HPs will be here Friday.

@@MusclesAVS How much for the Rs2’s?

@@JoshuaPeters3036 7500$ for both

Its only a problem at low volumes. Once you crest 100db+ you don't hear anything other than the speakers and subwoofers. It engulfs you.

Michael Greco yeah, I had dual sb16s for a while. The RS1 is equal to about 2.3 SVS sb16s. Also much cleaner sound. Simply not even close.

@@MusclesAVS thanks so much for the reply! Wow, that's a huge compliment because the sb16 is pretty Legit by itself. Think I'm going to have to cough up the extra cash and get it. the rs2 looks great as well, but it's huge and of course even more expensive

You couldn't pick 2 different subwoofers with 2 different design philosophies. G25HP is good at movies and music while the 2400ULF is a low frequency movie monster. Both great at what they do, but I can't imagine cross shopping them.

I’ve watched all your videos. Many different combinations. I have 1 pb16 now was going to buy a second one but didn’t realize how many other options there were. 95 percent movies. Rarely music. Jtr probably better choice than? Thank you for your time. Awesome channel.

Steve Jeschke I’m no where near that. He’s the spl king.

still can't totch bassthatHz system.

Dual RS1 = 1 RS2. You will get the most bang for your buck with an RS2. If I had a bigger space I would have done 2 of those. The RS1's hit very hard as well. Each RS1 is equal to more than 2 SVS SB16's. RS2 is a beast. Can't go wrong with either.

@@MusclesAVS thanks. So I ended up ordering a Captivator 3200, (cap 2400 with upgraded amp) I figured with the open basement, the vented sub might be a better option. I'll find out in like 1-2 months when it arrives though. Haha. If I'm not fully satisfied...i might order an RS1 as well, but fingers crossed that the cap 3200 will do what I want.

@@MusclesAVS hey vinny. Do you know if Jeff supplies a power cord with the Captivator subs? I have a cap 3200 on order but im not sure what wall receptacle I will need for the upgraded 220/240v amp. Do you happen to know what type of 220v wall receptacle I will need? Thanks so much ahead of time

azcheron he does but I don’t know which one. Join the Facebook group. They will know.

@@MusclesAVS I spoke to Jeff. He supplies 120v cord but not 240v. Sidenote: these JTR subs make no sense to me. The back of a cap 2400 says 120v 4a, and the cap 4000 says 120v 8a. How can these claim to be 2400w or 4000w rms when they are only drawing 480w or 960w, according to the amp panel? The Rythmik F18 says 120v 10a or 240v 5a and they claim 900w...so their math actually makes sense.... But the JTR amps and wattage claims make no sense. Any insight from your end? Thanks for any input you have.

Proz71 Ful I kept the JTR. Can’t go wrong with either. Both highly recommended.

@@MusclesAVS Thank you! This demo was simply breathtaking.. over youtube! Couldn't even imagine what its like actually sitting there. I'm waiting on my noesis 210rt, cant wait

@@proz71ful19 You will be blown away. The hype is real.

@@MusclesAVS By any chance, have you heard the ATI 4000 series amp on the JTR towers? Feel like I want to go class ab since the towers may be revealing.

@@proz71ful19 join the JTR Facebook group. One of the members there has one and can chime in for you.

I have that on Vinyl and it almost broke my house! lol

I will work on it, what would you like to see?

@@MusclesAVS Anything you'd enjoy playing would be nice which has alot of excurison!

Alfred Head BDI Marina.

@@MusclesAVS Thanks Vinny!!!

creditingkarma I can assure you that they are not. They are just ok. Nothing special, overpriced. They don’t have much performance. Every sub I’ve auditioned since them has kicked their butts hard.

Vinny Diesel that is surprising to me. I guess it depends on what you are looking for. For music only I find that the JL integrates better with speakers than REL does. I am looking at them from a strictly music listening perspective. I was looking at the new SVS SB300 too I am not sure how that matches with speakers for music.

creditingkarma skip SVS and Rel. just get a Rythmik. It has no equal for music. It’s that good. Try an F18. Amazing for music and decent for HT as well.

Bassnectar - Butterfly (feat. Mimi Page). This man's taste in music is impeccable, would love to know what else is in his playlist.

@@edwardmartin7090 thanks l had to know what that song was after watching your video so l found an app that you may know off called Shazam that song really has an effect on me love it thanks for your reply and enjoy your homecinema Awesome set up.

Sold them, then went with RS1s, now I have RS2s

Bassnectar

Peter J for movies there is nothing greater than the JTR ULF4000

@@MusclesAVS 😁👍 those are realy crazy subbs. And the Ones you have hade in your home wich would you pic for movies..? And ported or seald..?

Peter J I have a bias towards sealed designs. I like the sound better. My current setup is great. Movies only...maybe JTR RS2s or Rythmik fv18/fv25

@@MusclesAVS ok realy great setup you have..👍 I have an al svs setup 7.2.4 with the ultra towers Arcam avr550 reciver and the parasound halo A-31 power amp. I have dual svs pb4000 subwoofers but thinking i should sell them and test some other subbs youst movie watching. I live in Sweden so must Ship to Sweden from us so probloby to expensive with the rytmick or jtr with shipping.☹ the PSA subbs i can buy from England so maybe try those out.. have you listen on those..??

Peter J that is plenty of bass. Stick with what you have and get better at tuning them. Get a minidsp HD and learn REW. You are looking to upgrade but it isn’t necessary.

Taylor jbl cant do what Jtr does.

@@MusclesAVS can you elaborate please? what does jtr do that jbl cant? just imo personally I think my JBL beat your JTR speaker of course it has different sound signature and of course we are all fanboys of the gear we own but all things considering I like mine and what jbl does. do you still have your marten logins?

JBL's aren't anywhere near as sensitive and can't handle anywhere near the power. Nobody goes louder or cleaner with lower distortion for the money than JTR. There is a reason that the whole audio world is talking about this man and his subs. I get messages all day about them. There is a 2 month wait to even get them. JBL's are good, but more of a music only speaker. They are also too physically big for my space. I do music and movies so I needed the best I could get for both worlds. I can't even make these speakers show a hint of distortion at any volume, even at over 1000watts of Mcintosh power. I no longer have the Martin Logans, I sold them.

@@MusclesAVS I'm kind of confused. It's bit blanket statement to say all JBL speakers are not as sensitive or can't handle the power of JTR. Also, you talk about JTR subs, I was only talking about JBL speakers, that is, not their subs. I disagree with your opinion that JBL is 'more of a music only speaker' it really depends which JBL you get. Mine are JBL Synthesis 4367. You're correct about them being too big. I plan on getting K2 S9900 or even DD67000 one day. I respect your opinion that JTR is better, it's true that they are slightly more sensitive then either of these JBL. My JBL are 94dB sensitive and play very loud with just 50W of power. My McIntosh stereo amp rarely breaks the 75-80W mark. But if I got a bigger room and sat farther away, I believe I could push 150-300W during movie/music peaks. Indeed, my speakers can handle 300W RMS, probably double that for peaks. I plan on getting a pair of subs once I move to a bigger space. But first I want to upgrade my speakers to JBL K2 S9900. Maybe the DD67000 if I can afford it. But for now I don't really have space to fit any and I am very happy with bass performance I get right now. I EQ my speakers during movies and I get fairly even frequency response down to 20hz. But when the time comes, I will most likely get JL Audio Gotham subs as I prefer them the most out of the other subs I've heard, REL, KEF and yes even JTR.

@@Taylor-oe7zx Gothams aren't competitive by todays standards. That 20hz high pass filter is no good for movies. You could best them in sound quality and output for 1/3 of the price. I had dual F113's if you look at my other videos. You have a lot of reading to do my friend. I have heard the JBL's, didn't blow me away. I have a dealer less than a mile from me. I am guessing you are from Europe, you guys always think what you list is the best stuff, and it's good, just nothing special. Where did you get to demo some JTR speakers? I have a feeling you haven't. I have owned so much equipment in the last 2 years that it's staggering. Anytime someone says that JL Audio subs are the best I know they know nothing about the current crop of sub technology. 10+ year old design. 13" woofers....lol.

Sarlacc Breath I tried klipsch RF7s, SVS Ultra towers and center, Martin Logan 13as. That’s the last 2 years. Anything before that was minimal.

Vinny Diesel thanks man. I live out in the bush and don’t get to audition much of anything... read a lot about Power Sound Audio and the other 3 brands you mentioned, and then a lot about JTR’s off the forums. I’d like to do a large room theatre and was thinking the best options would be PSA or JTR. Appreciate the reply Vinny

Sarlacc Breath JTRs speakers will beat the PSA offering pretty bad. But they cost a lot more.

Vinny Diesel thanks - appreciate the feedback man.

Sarlacc Breath if cost is a concern the PSA speakers are damn near impossible to beat for movies.

Edwin Anstey it’s a great sub. Very accurate and nimble.

@@MusclesAVS that is what I was thinking!! Thank You sir, that speaks volumes considering your amazing setup. I'm thinking those due to size restraints under my screen. From my research this is one of the baddest subs out there for its physical size/price/performance. I watch movies but also listen to a fair bit off music. When I listen to music I push my subs so accuracy and tightness matter to me. 😀 Thanks Brother!!

Edwin Anstey it’s an amazing bang for the buck. It’s actually a lot better than the famous SB16 by SVS. Has 50% more output with much less distortion. Total value.

@@MusclesAVS yeah on my journey of researching I was sold by the hype of svs at first. Then I dug deeper and realized there is better for less. I talked to Brian at Rythmik (I think that's his name) and he gave me an earful on sub technology and comparisons and power ratings and everything. I'm really impressed by their servo technology. Saving time at the moment ... and also have to truely convince my wife on it as well lol

Hard to say. JTR is the output king for sure. For music it might be rythmik.

Not at all, it wouldn't fit. They use the same horn anyways. Going from 10" to a 12" mid bass driver on the center wouldn't yield much difference, how much bass comes out of a center?

Have you heard of of the JTR Speakers am on the clock ⌚ about to put in my order before the great price height.

@@willworld3007 I am not sure I am following what you are trying to say?

What made you pick the RT12 over the RT 15

@@willworld3007 Size was a big consideration. The 212RT's are actually higher in sensitivity too. I always run subs so I don't need a main speaker that can go to 15hz, I will cross them over at 80hz, so the 212RT was the better overall fit.

I don’t get it until tomorrow. You in OC?

@@MusclesAVS awwww damn I’m all the way In Texas, but congrats man if you could make a video on it that’d be awesome 👏

I would say JTR in a blanket statement. The Rythmik can hit super hard as well. It was quite startling when I first upgraded from my SB16s to the G25HP, just a ton more power. JTR makes monsters.

Vinny Diesel what’s better, dual SB16s or single g25hp?

@@deankim6687 I would go single g25hp and buy another one later if you want to upgrade.

Hawaiian Cerveza no, the G25HP is a bigger, better sub.

What did you have in mind? I can always shoot a video, I just don't have the time to edit them to professional levels. What would you like to see?

Nothing crazy just a look of all your systems including surround sound speakers, and a movie demo , no need to edit

Niin Niin dragon fly by double dragon.

@@MusclesAVS thx

KingBmore marina by BDI

What do you mean?

@@MusclesAVS Add it to your epic synth music collection.

chemicallust77 dragon fly by double dragon

@@MusclesAVS Thanks

Well he’s been dead for almost 2 years so I don’t think that’s a concern any longer.

@@MusclesAVS sorry to read that, just a heads up.

I know those jtrs are like 4 grand a piece lmao

DominicBD more than 3x that....

Jesus 💀 would love to hear it in person

DominicBD adding a new piece as I type this. People come by all the time for a listen.

What city do you stay at I’m in central Florida

My ears rang for like 4 hours after

Richard Crim 3 not a fan?

@@MusclesAVS I will delete my comment if you want me to. But I was just trying to exaggerate how ridiculously crazy and awesome your home theater was.

@@MusclesAVS FTW was meaning how awesome your home theater was and WTF was meaning how crazy your home theater was!

Richard Crim 3 nah, it’s all good. It’s my own unique creation and I do realized that not everyone will like it. I love it. Use it 3-5 hours a day.

@@richardcrim3831 Appreciate that, thank you sir!

Roger Hernandez what’s that mean?

@@MusclesAVS Equipment need more room to really perform. Don't get me wrong nice equipment but Everything seems compacted is a small space. I have a 14.2 Theater / Music Listening system with Dedicated Power Amps for each pair of speakers but when I move to a larger home with a dedicated Theater room the Sonic quality was a night and day difference. I went from a 15 x 13 to a 35 x 25 room and was immersed in sound and power because the speaker were not canceling one another.

Roger Hernandez I have none of those issues. I demo my system for all walks of life very frequently. It will compete with almost anything. It’s calibrated pretty well. I’m always improving it. This is a long room. Probably over 20 feet. That’s a 75” tv to put it in perspective.

@@MusclesAVS Please don't get me wrong it has nothing to do with competition or what other's review is of the sound, If you are happy with the sound and placement that is all that counts. I was only indicating if it sounds great now I can only imagine with the proper real estate what it would sound like then.

You are likely very hard of hearing at this point. Don’t even invest in a speaker system. Spend all the money on the tv 😁

@@MusclesAVS Oh I have a very good klipsch surround sound system. Nothing close to as good as yours is but 2 floor standing speakers with dual 8" And the rest of the surround sound to match. With one 12" subwoofer. I plan on upgrading to jtr in the future. And I have some of the best hearing out of everybody I know. My point is, if you've ever heard a Top Fuel funny car there is nothing louder other than maybe a supersonic jet. Or a space rocket. I could stand in your theater room and take everything you could give me and it wouldn't come close to a top fuel funny car. So don't act like it would physically hurt you. Because it would not physically hurt me 💪

@@MusclesAVS Oh yeah and I have a bad-ass TV to match 85in 4k. So I invested in both. But I eventually will upgrade To a giant projection screen with all of my surround behind the screen.

@@MusclesAVS Your review was great and your surround sound system is awesome. I would have said nothing if you didn't say it would physically hurt you. Lmao 🤣 I watched a review of a theater system with 8JTR18 inch subwoofers "8". Nobody came close to crying about anything hurting them. And they had bigger surrounds than you did that were also JTR. Just saying

@@TreyWK Scott newbys system. They were wearing hearing Protection. Sustained levels over 125db for even a minute cause hearing damage. Thus physically hurting you. You have Klipsch, that is entry level stuff. Jtr is big boy stuff.

NewYorkBlack I actually felt the same way. I got rid of 2 of the subs. It’s much more manageable now.

Vinny Diesel Which subwoofer did you get rid of?

@@maincharacter2677 the Rythmik. He actually have 2 JTR RS2 now.

Sound quality. Rythmik is just tighter and more musical. Could never get JTR's to play nice with my mains. Tried MiniDSP, ARC, etc. Great for movies though.

@@MusclesAVS Thank you for responding I am actually taking delivery of 2 F18 next week can't wait. May I also ask what do you think of rhythmics low base extension what is your opinion

@@MrVb66 Its good, not as gnarly as the JTR but I had the F18s at one point and would have no problem owning them again. Great subs, especially for the price.

@@MusclesAVS Gnarly?????????? Sorry sir I'm a marine lieutenant don't know what that word means is that good or bad???? lol😃😁😅

@@MrVb66 JTR has a ton of output especially down low. It has a thick sound to it, like it has weight. Doesn’t sound very nimble or nuanced. Kind of like the SVS sound on steroids. Rythmik is like a sledge hammer wrapped in a silk glove. It does damage, but eloquently.