Tubes vs Tubeless | Whistler Lift Line Poll

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7 жыл бұрын

We surveyed 100 Mountain Bikers in the Whistler lift line to see whether the MTB public has embraced the tubeless system...
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Tubeless tyre set up is lighter and has lots of advantages for riders but are the mtb community really embracing the new technology, Donny hangs out on the Whistler chairlift queue to fine out...
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@jesuisFORTIO 7 жыл бұрын

Well this was a suprise. Next time ask at a XC event. xD

@robertrodriguezFhortune 7 жыл бұрын

@corkhead0 7 жыл бұрын

0:14, someone brought a mongoose.

@Flaminturkey1 3 жыл бұрын

www.mongoose.com/collections/full-suspension/products/bootr-1 mongoose does make a half decent(i believe) downhill bike

@aidenbowen4732 7 жыл бұрын

Hot girl went with tubes so, I'm going with tubes

@startboxequestrian 7 жыл бұрын

yep 1:11 made my choice for me.

@aidenbowen4732 7 жыл бұрын

+Laura Ellis lol

@aidenbowen4732 7 жыл бұрын

+Laura Ellis tubes all the way guy?

@lambertfournier6000 5 жыл бұрын

Aiden Bowen TEAM TUBELESS 😎🥴

@JeRzUx 5 жыл бұрын

Aiden Bowen same

@margaritasavko7126 7 жыл бұрын

He called the sealant milk😂😂😂😂😂

@theREAL9er 4 жыл бұрын

1:05

@ANTheWhizkid 3 жыл бұрын

like everyone else too

@liquidSpin 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless and I don't think I will ever go back to tubes. Unless I get a flat out on the trail hehe I love being able to change my tire pressure depending on the type of trail I'm riding. Running lower pressure adds more traction and is so much more fun.

@mattferdinand274 7 жыл бұрын

I love tubeless...I'm running 29x2.35's with i25's...simply amazing and SO simple to set up!

@ThomasMTube 7 жыл бұрын

same rim here and tubeless. can't beat it.

@Hawlkeye-e9p 7 жыл бұрын

+1 the secrete to good tibeless is wider internal rim with and the correct amount of rim tape, somestimes 3 layers.

@Mediarahan003 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless here on 3 different bikes. Not hard at all to set up, in fact if you have a compressor it's maybe even easier. You just throw the tire on, seat it, put the sealant in and boom. No pinch flats, less psi, and ride-ending punctures are significantly less likely. I'll never go back.

@ShinobiDiabolik 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes all the way! When you puncture the tube you either fix it or change it, when tubeless fail, yoy need to remove valve, put tube in it....to continue riding, So tubes fix tubeless, you cant just fix tubeless on the trail, while the humble tube is easily replaceble, so tubes all the way!

@bb4prelude73 7 жыл бұрын

Near the desert (Phoenix AZ USA) you have to run tubeless.. I can't tell you how many times I've had to change out a tube due to a small goat head thorn. When I ran tubes. And for the price of how many tubes I had to keep patching up it got super annoying. Switched to tubeless and didn't have an issue with having to stop in the hot sun and ruin some of my time riding.

@PhBenz 7 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on many facts, as riding style, personal preferences and also your riding conditions, such as climate. For example, in my country we have tons of plant needles in summer, so Tubeless is a MUST HAVE kit, otherwise you suffer punctures like every minute. But anyway I think tubeless gives a bit more grip, because you go less tyre pressure. So thumbs up to tubeless 👍🏻

@petayV8 7 жыл бұрын

I always ran tubes with liners. Didn't get a flats for years at a time. I'm tubeless now. For me its not the flat protection but its so much lighter and in return having less rotation force transformed the handling of the bike. It feels great just high maintenance

@grahamcowles2362 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes on the dirt jumper for life, pinch flats aren't a problem at 55psi and no burping. But...I've always tubes on my DH bike (which will soon be replaced with a beefy enduro bike) just because of how easy it is to set up and change when you have a flat, and you don't need to buy new tires when you puncture. I am thinking about trying tubeless but when I was in whistler for a week in July I had zero flats running tubes (DH weight tires and tubes), while the 3 friends I was with who were running tubeless, had 2-3 punctures/ bad burps each (some DH tires some enduro tires). So I haven't been convinced of the bennifits, guess I'll have to try it eventually.

@austin9155 7 жыл бұрын

tubeless on my 29er rigid SS, 27.5plus full squish, and on my 29er hard tail. Simply preference based on trail feel and air preasure experimenting.

@pjgwin 7 жыл бұрын

Just converted to tubeless and it was super easy. WTB tubeless ready rims, maxxis tires, stan's tape, stems and sealant. Set the bead with a floor pump. Was as simple as simple can be. The trickiest part is trying to figure out just how low I can go with the tire pressure.

@jasoncross6151 7 жыл бұрын

I went tubeless back in May and also did my mates bike, first tyre was a pain finding an install method that works for me but now after four tyres done it literally takes minuets to do and no need to worry about where I put the wheel on the trail. My tyre did burp off the rim yesterday on a pump track but two pumps and a spin of the wheel it was back up and running....tubeless all the way.....

@DennisJTapio 7 жыл бұрын

Got my new bike a few months ago. About 3 rides in I got a flat. Made a DIY compressor and swapped to tubeless(never done it before, took about an hour, including cleaning the tires thouroghly). No problems since! More grip, better dampened ride, slightly less rolling resistance?(felt like it for sure!) and most importantly... Even though I have been riding really aggressively... No flats! :D

@arrowv1 7 жыл бұрын

Interesting results.

@hairypaulmm7wab195 7 жыл бұрын

78% was a surprising result! I know a fair few riders in UK and only 3 run tubeless, One of those was just because the bike was tubeless when he bought it! (all his other bikes use tubes) - It would be interesting to do the same 'survey' at different events in different countries of riders that have had flats during the event. I have used tubes with sealant in them for many years (used latex in the 80's & a few other tyre sealants since mid 90's) The only bike I *might* try tubeless setup on would be the Fat Bike running low pressures (6 to 12psi) for mudblasting, but even that uses tubes for now. :-) I run many different bikes over rough terrain in Scotland (tubes with sealant in them) and have only had One flat in past 5 years! Just gave the wheel a spin, put more air in it and still running same tube now.. Back up and running in under 2 minutes, Much less fuss & no mess.. :-)

@m00nchildblues 7 жыл бұрын

most bikes are Not tubeless ready, so most would shy away from spending $$$ on tyres,wheels,kit,etc.. to convert. cheaper to buy 2-3 tubes a year..my 17 Giant trance came tubeless and I'm loving it! No more flats,lighter and better traction!

@ian9945 7 жыл бұрын

I was very surprised by this

@albertcol 7 жыл бұрын

Just got new wheels for my next build, I've now realised that I could go tubeless... but man, I'm kinda hesitant as tubeless seems to be lots of work and more money spent on silly things like sealant. Been riding tubes for more than a year now with no issues, all you need to do is top it up a bit when riding.flawless.

@NiohNiohYT 2 жыл бұрын

The thing is, depending on where you ride, tubeless is a lot cheaper as you don't have to change tube for every single small thorn. It also allows running lower tire pressure and no snake bites. On top of all that, you do get a little bit lighter bike, and the tires simply roll better (no friction between tube and tire, less heat, etc).

@Drummerjorge29 7 жыл бұрын

I was really surprised as well.

@bigmitch3612 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless, for me the extra faff setting up is well worth the hassle of punctures on the trail! Regarding setup, the more you do it the easier it becomes!

@Klips005 4 жыл бұрын

Nice lol you guys should give us another one of these for 2020 or next events🤙👌

@Follooo11 7 жыл бұрын

1:11 that dab tho!

@N3wt199 7 жыл бұрын

Newly converted to tubes, like it a lot so far 😃😃

@vancel35 7 жыл бұрын

I run slime tubes. All the benefits of sealant within a convenient container that I can change once when I change my tires.

@kevin_howell 7 жыл бұрын

That video "I only ride park" springs to mind...

@respectablebogan3276 7 жыл бұрын

Lol I love this :) speaking off Faff poor guys at whistler have to spend ages waiting for the lift. Guess it's too popular :)

@alexandertrust1 7 жыл бұрын

tubes for me as it is simple to do as I don't bike much as I don't have much time. I am starting to ride more to help my ski racing fitness so I might change in future.

@Dearlp640 7 жыл бұрын

For someone that only has one bike and uses it for riding trails as well as commuting and general road riding (wether to get to the trails or the grocery store), tubes is the way to go if you switch tires according to the task and want your mtb tires to last. Tubeless is way too messy to change tires often. Unless you have a second dedicated wheelset.

@bahamut2119 7 жыл бұрын

Having a bit of fun with my tubeless setup got a small puncture a few hrs ago using orange sealant endurance and yet can't hold pressure above 15 it seems yet gonna have to try inflating back to 26 tommorow morning off to be with me if it dont work guess my rear gets a tube.

@robertw413 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless all the way! So simple to set up and less punctures, well I've had none. I just have a spare tube as a back up out on the trails as getting the bead to pop is pretty difficult without a compressor and suds

@evanlegee 7 жыл бұрын

Neil was saying that people were probably not running tubeless because it took time and skill, but being a sponsored rider, he naturally forgot the biggest reason. Money!

@rogercmerriman 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes here, I don't like the feel of lower PSI tyres, 30psi seems a happy medium soft enough to deform but not so soft to wallow and frankly I don't suffer problems with either pinch flats or thorns and what not.

@StanGuru 3 жыл бұрын

1:20 This guy knows what's up

@BikeBrosBikeShop 7 жыл бұрын

I never really cared until I got a 27.5+ bike - for plus bikes tubeless is almost necessary. For my other bike (29er with 2.3 to 2.4 tires) I was happy with tubes and experienced less tire related problems than the people I rode with who had tubeless even though I was running quite low pressure.

@EpicSwedishFika 7 жыл бұрын

They say that it is easy to get flats with tubes. But what I have seen is that when you get a flat without tube it is often a complete disaster including flat rims, broken wheels, deraileur hanger, chain etc etc etc.

@scurvyfilms1646 7 жыл бұрын

MORE!!!!!!!

@bug3ater1 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless is not difficult to set up or messy at all. Tubeless ready rims and tires is easy to set up with a floor pump and a bucket of soapy water. Where I ride at, I get pinch flats on tubes every other ride or so. With tubeless I go for months without a flat until the sealant dries up. When it does I just inject more sealant in the valve stem.

@diluteduk 7 жыл бұрын

tubes. I'll have the same tubes in for ages. never pinch flatted so I don't feel the need for tubeless. if I didn't have to keep changing the sealant every few months I might go tubeless but for now I'm sticking with tubes.

@YaddaYaddaDa 7 жыл бұрын

Haven't had a flat yet using tubes on the bike I built up in the fall though granted, the terrain around where I live isn't particularly rough. Tubeless just seems like too much of a hassle. You have to buy the tape, the sealant, top up the sealant every once in a while, you need an air compressor to get the beads to seat, and so on.

@andrewmassie2874 7 жыл бұрын

YaddaYaddaDa you don't need a air compressor if you have a good tire and rim combo. The tape and sealant will probably only run you about 60 bucks too

@YaddaYaddaDa 7 жыл бұрын

I Stole Your Bagel Yea you're right ended up trying it a couple days ago and it worked! No compressor just a track pump. Double wrapped the rims with gorilla tape and it was good to go

@themott123 7 жыл бұрын

I have a tubeless ready setup but still choose to run tubes. Never get pinch flats and don't want the mess.

@PPC4 7 жыл бұрын

That did surprise me but i don't know why. Against a good quality inner tube or latex ones (with a dash of stans etc) i just can't see any advantages of tubeless against their cons, i very rarely get flats anyway so happy to run a tube at low enough pressure to avoid squirm.

@JordanHMay 7 жыл бұрын

Next time survey people that have run both and ask which they now run. I'd bet good money once people go tubeless very few go back to tubes.

@stilianivanov3377 6 жыл бұрын

Well, I guess Im one of those guys... tubeless just sucks for the terrain I ride, because there are too many rockgardens and jumps. I have cracked 2 rims on the back while having 55 psi in there (both times).

@matixringtail1437 7 жыл бұрын

In Northern California with the thorns tubleless is the only way to go.

@garethc893 7 жыл бұрын

What entry level long travel full sus/ enduros bike do you recommend? Thanks

@wobblysauce 7 жыл бұрын

Did you ask a followup question to ones that said Tubes? like have you ran/setup tubeless before?

@andrewstonepeltola 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes going to tubeless when I get new tires. I've ridden tubes and they just seem better plus you can run lower psi!

@mtndewhirst 4 жыл бұрын

Can we get another poll this summer to see if anything has changed?

@bigfootandbananaman4746 7 жыл бұрын

I ride XC and I use tubes. They are much easier to fix on the trail and I never get pinch flats so that isn't a problem

@GaborAdrianLeitner 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes with tubeless sealant in them...i can puncture only if i slash my tires and even then i just change it out and on my way. The best of both worlds with a few more grams added, but a lot safer in the long run.

@MrUnl0rd Жыл бұрын

Tubeless is easy if you get real lucky with a good wheel and tyre combination. They can inflate easily with a track pump and stay up all night without sealant, without losing air.

@tijgerhaai3 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless. Ride from Stone Haven to Fort Wiliam, no problem.

@zombiexstealthgamer 7 жыл бұрын

I keep getting pinch flats even when running very high pressure what can I do apart from going tubless

@walkeronegaming 7 жыл бұрын

I feel like in bike parks people tend to run higher pressures, thicker sidewalls and can get away with tubes. Also the average rec rider who isn't concerned about shaving seconds or grams probably doesn't want to deal with tubeless. I run it but it's definitely more inconvenient to maintain.

@rigorhead01 7 жыл бұрын

Very surprised as well. Here everyone rides XC and I would think almost everyone is tubeless. But after watching this, I could be wrong.

@jborcz1014 3 жыл бұрын

great. im not alone. so what tires are they running?

@Kcducttaper1 7 жыл бұрын

I run tubes on my Anthem SX. I run higher pressures (25 front, 30 rear) to keep from pinch flatting or damaging my rim. If I go lower, I risk damaging my rims regardless if I'm running tubes or tubeless, so at that point, the only difference is weight and maintenance. It's just not worth the extra bother to save a few grams and bother with maintenance, burping, mess, etc.

@KapitanPisoar1 7 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I run tubes and can't get any lower pressure, cause I would be hitting the rim.

@00mazone 7 жыл бұрын

I was running 35 psi in my tubes and was still pinch flatting all the time. I went tubeless last rear and have not had a flat on my bike since. I rented a bike at a mountain bike park last month and it had tubes. I got a flat on that. Just reminded me why I went tubeless. If I was not getting flats all the time I would have stayed with tubes.

@Kcducttaper1 7 жыл бұрын

Random Person If you got pinch flats all the time, how were you not bending and nicking your rims? Getting a pinch flat is a very distinct feeling that you can both hear and feel. Once you do it, you know exactly what happened the instant you do it before you stop or even look down.

@00mazone 7 жыл бұрын

The tubes have snake bite marks. I have never damaged a wheel but I have heard and felt the sound of the wheel hitting something solid. I still run 35 psi on my tubeless set up as well to help save the wheels.

@oiitssean 7 жыл бұрын

I'd run tubeless too If I had my own mechanic. At that point I'd have a much nicer bike as well. 😞

@Jonny-im5ml 7 жыл бұрын

Me too

@windsurfer912 7 жыл бұрын

lol you don't need a nicer bike to run tubless. it costs about 60bucks max to do it lol

@oiitssean 7 жыл бұрын

windsurfer912 Wasn't my point. I cant be bothered switching, and Ive seen enough tyres burping to put me off anyway.

@oiitssean 7 жыл бұрын

Not always

@mauriciovalenzuela8902 7 жыл бұрын

dude, Notubes convertion kit, cheap and easy 👌

@emopunkdave 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes and probably always will... Change my tyres around too much to go Tubeless, would cost me a fortune in sealant!

@mtb4l673 7 жыл бұрын

That beautiful Babe at 1:47 goes by the IG name "shellyflood". She's an Aussie that likes to ride bikes, eat burritos, and drink Nutella. I recognized her the second I saw her. You're ALL welcome! ;)

@ZIggyRIbetto 7 жыл бұрын

how do u drink Nutella? have I missed something

@lucasgauci 7 жыл бұрын

Don't all of us Aussies have an obsession with nutella :)

@deecarter1059 7 жыл бұрын

She drinks burritos and eats beer

@ZIggyRIbetto 7 жыл бұрын

+Dave Carter well still trying to get the nutella unstuck from the roof of my mouth so I might need a few burritos to wash it down

@elroc10 7 жыл бұрын

+Dave Carter lmfao 😂 As you can tell, she's a special gal. I mean, come on, who doesn't like to pound back a couple of burritos and eat beer after a great ride???

@johngilbert6719 7 жыл бұрын

can you do how to change a hub pls

@karlish8799 7 жыл бұрын

I was going to go tubeless recently, then i realised that every single tyre i have got has at least one hole in it already hah. When they need to be replaced I think I'm gonna give tubeless a bash.

@Gehajjs62727 3 жыл бұрын

1:30 is exactly what I do!

@tommatson4151 7 жыл бұрын

#askGMBN I have a 2015 giant reign 2 and the front wheel has some movement and a bit of a grinding noise in the hub/axel area. I've tightened the axel and re greased it and it hasn't done anything! Please help.

@jj011185 7 жыл бұрын

tubes here. weekend warrior, casual rider, does not race.

@SoGoMTB 4 жыл бұрын

running tubeless and feeling helpless because I don't know what's happening down there- in other word, I have no control. If the pressure is low, I'll ramp it up to my go to pressure of 30psi front and rear for road ride to the trailhead and reduce it to 27psi for some XC or bike park sessioning and before heading home it pump in back to 30psi for the ride homeDo you think I'll be better of with tube instead of my current tubeless?

@Eddie65001 Жыл бұрын

Tubes forever!!! 🤙🏻🇺🇸

@upsmann9695 5 жыл бұрын

Takes about the same amount of skill to put a tube in right without pinching holes in it, I've never ever, since i got my first mountain bike and maintained it correctly had a pinch from riding. Over the weekend i got to watch two guys trying to get a rear tire to seal before he could air it up, not my idea of a good time at the bike park.

@jeffmason532 7 жыл бұрын

do you guys sell GMBN stickers?! couldn't find them on the website

@amosaft7060 Жыл бұрын

tubeless in my experience (XC, trail): zero added ride benefits, ++€€, ++hassle & mess. works well on a car though😉 but you really need a different rims structure to make it anywhere feasible for cycling

@awageam 7 жыл бұрын

it's much easier to use tubes on a banged up rim which it gonna be an common occurrence at the whistler bike park

@livesteam13 7 жыл бұрын

Should do 26 inch or 27.5 👍🏻

@voodooGW 7 жыл бұрын

Are there any hints you can give about the Tyre pressure for a fat 100kg dude on a 650b Enduro ? :P

@Tenspeed1 7 жыл бұрын

1:40 TIL, Andrew Lincoln who plays Rick in The Walking Dead runs tubeless.

@coolbeyblade5 7 жыл бұрын

I love being early, anyone else with me!

@4c107 7 жыл бұрын

The hassle of taking off the tire so you can hunt punctures in a tube every couple of weeks isnt as annoying as setting up tubeless once and forgetting about it for the whole season. I went tubeless last year and havent had a single flat tire, when I had tubes I got so many punctures I got sick of patching and just inflated the tire before every ride and hoped it didnt go flat by the time I got home.

@t_rafter15 7 жыл бұрын

Lads hurry up with that Tahnee Seagrave pro bike please

@Hawlkeye-e9p 7 жыл бұрын

tubeless is just a pain to deal with the tech still sucks too sketchy example wtb i19 xcountry rims wtb trailboss tires 2.25 both tubeless compatable the rear rim needed 3 layers of rim tape rode it for two weeks took the tire off the wtb tcs fluid pooled in 1 spot and no where else. and there was zero liquid in the tire. i used 4 oz of fluid. so ya, tubeless ideally is a good idea but in reality the science didnt pan out tubeless is just a pain to deal with heavy riders already have alot of maintenance to deal with. adding tubeless is just another bs thing to deal with. has it gotten better in 2 years? not that i have seen. basic requirements: 27-34 mm internal rim width constantly removing and cleaning tire and rim re adding fluid for what? a possible tiny gain? just to tubes with a bit of sealant or green slime thats more stable and less to deal with while i shred others are maintaining thier tubeless rigs bottom line: the tech still sucks

@bradanderson9322 7 жыл бұрын

tubes: Just bought a bike with tubeless first run popped it some how idk how brought it in put tubes in it haha

@bitchbastardson 7 жыл бұрын

cant get any sealant on my area. Is it possible to use elmers glue as replacement?

@gmbn 7 жыл бұрын

We wouldn't advise that....check out global shipping bike stores like Chain Reaction Cycles!

@obomasinladen 4 жыл бұрын

holy shit this comment takes the cake

@marckealey7510 7 жыл бұрын

I run both and have seen no real difference in either although i must say tubeless is somewhat less lively, not so much that it's a complaint so i'm indifferent about it

@Krigloch 7 жыл бұрын

Tubeless. thorns here and flats are dumb. Easton Arc27's 29er are awesome!

@finnmccole5771 7 жыл бұрын

Short sleeve gmbn jersey?

@yaronmtb8848 7 жыл бұрын

Tubless 👍

@jackhammer40k_ 7 жыл бұрын

next week: Discs or Cantis

@glenr834 7 жыл бұрын

Tubes if you don't know what you're doing.

@drsus0 3 жыл бұрын

There should’ve been a follow up question to those that said tubes… if they have never tried tubeless, i bet most havent.

@blackfox2056 7 жыл бұрын

I chose tubes becuase of landing sideways and the chance of the tire being ripped off the rim

@chefarmstrong 7 жыл бұрын

Do this survey again at a cross country event where everyone there is a hard core athlete that doesn't mind a little extra work for tubeless because exercise is good for you

@lhrog2263 7 жыл бұрын

Can you ride a DH bike tubeless

@repairdrive 7 жыл бұрын

It's always back and forth which is heavier. Tubes, because of the tubes duh. or tubeless because of the thicker sidewalls and goo you have to add?

@jojoaspi7398 7 жыл бұрын

Asking the wrong group. If you ask a group in an XC trail, the results would be different. Just like what the other guy said, tubes on his dh and tubless with his 29er. Dh bikes/wheels takes to much abuse and a lot of amateur riders don't have a mechanic waiting for them to fix the wheel at the bottom of the hill. It is much easier to just replace the tube rather than dealing with sealant. With XC/trail bikes, it is more a set and forget kind of deal.

@harrytolhurst1068 7 жыл бұрын

How do you install tubeless on a hardtail please help!!

@bereciak 4 жыл бұрын

as same as on the full suspension bike

@pjszewc114 7 жыл бұрын

#askgmbn Hi, recenlty I've converted tubes->tubeless in my hardtail and set 2bar (29psi) of pressure. It was done in my local bike shop/service. After 1 week, pressure dropped below 1bar (14psi) in both wheels, front/rear. Is it natural?

@wentai3162 9 ай бұрын

Hello, I'm still in tubes but expect to swap in tubeless. I think the lose of psi firsts day is normal m, the scellant must more or less time if your tires are tubeless ready, only in case of tubeless ready.