Hard to believe Crysis came only 4 years later. these two games feel like they are decades apart from each other

This was by no means the greatest game ever but i played it for so many hours with friends on the GameCube back in the day. Have a lot of great memories and nostalgia for it.

I remember PC ports of many games being very poor or broken in the early to mid 2000s. Things seemed to get better after steam became more mainstream in the later 2000s.

For Alex: Turok Evolution is DirectX 9 and you can use Reshade to try fix the visuals with it and I would ask you to maybe make a video on this. For John: The Xbox port do use 2xMSAA, it's easy to spot it even on this video. Edit: Infinite Ammo cheat in Turok Evolution gives you all the weapons available in the stage and removes older weapons, it's strange indeed but it's how the cheat code works.

Alex: This is why the PC port sucks John: This is why the game sucks

This kind of port is EXACTLY why I am so glad there are talented people out there making emulators. Between bad PC ports and games not being maintained on PC at all, emulation is the only way to have the best (typically) version of games maintained for all time long after the original hardware die off.

I played the HELL out of this on gamecube, single player and with friends. That intro video of the raptor guy getting sniped is burned into my mind.

I remember being really excited to get this on Gamecube as a kid because Turok 1 and 2 were staples of my earlier childhood. I got to the second level and never played it again because it was very clearly not great. It's less like Turok and more like "We have Far Cry at home"

I absolutely loved this game on my OG XBOX as a kid.

Absolutely loved this game growing up, cant even tell you how many times i ran thru this story as a kid

I'll never forget the original IGN comparison. "Once again, there's no reason to even consider the other two (PS2/GC) unless you'd prefer the sometimes-jumpy 60 framerate of the GameCube version over the much more realistic Xbox at 30"

I loved Evolution back in the day and I was curious if it's still holding up with all the trash that's being talked about it. So I popped it back into my PS2 last year - and I still love it. It's not Turok 1, but neither was Turok 2. The series constantly changed and 3 was already a linear game with small areas like Evolution. So in that sense this is a next gen Turok 3. The guns are extremely fun with different modes, the AI is pretty solid, the gore is amazing and satisfying. Some stuff didn't work that well, mostly the flying sections with the one hit kill environment collisions, but I do have a softspot for the game. It's a janky but solid shooter with a lot of personality.

I love you guys doing these retro gaming videos. I would to see more! Especially with two of your team reviewing a game! We normally just see John talking about these old gems (although I love listening to him!).

Ah yes, the 'Unreal Tournament 2003' era of PC gaming, where pixel shaders existed, but no one used them because of NVIDIA's scammy marketing of mass market cards that claimed to support them but were actually feature-incomplete dog-isht (Geforce4 MX and FX5200). It wasn't until HL2 and Doom3 dropped and ATI ran them better that any of that got straightened out. Kind of a cautionary tale of what happens when there is no competition in the GPU space.

Turok is a franchise that needs to make a comeback

The map geometry looks like it's using a pretty basic vertex lit rendering path on both versions, might be some light mapping in there? The dynamic mesh objects in the scene clearly uses a different render path, and that render path has completely suffered on PC, likely due to the Xbox version perhaps using a per pixel shader to resolve the final colour for each fragment, while the PC version looks to use dare I say ... a fixed function method for rendering. There's two likely reasons for this, the developer was either very inexperienced with programmable shaders and had a hard time porting it to PC or they had extremely limited time to port it. OR the game had a hard target for supporting older DX 7.0 video cards to increase market coverage, without creating a separate DX9/8.1 shader rendering path. It very much resembles playing Halo PC on a DX7 card like the GF4 MX440, where it's simply the diffuse textures being used for rendering and no specular, normal map or shadowing effects. However, I find the second scenario hard to believe because the dynamic meshes don't have ANY lighting, nothing, even with a fixed function graphics pipeline, you can do vertex lighting, like how the map geometry is vertex lit, which comes off as extremely odd to me. This highly suggests a lack of time or graphics programming experience, I'd love to know the story behind it honestly.

I remember settling for Turok when I couldn't get the more straightforward PC shooters as a kid because I couldn't get my mom to let me install much on the family PC, didn't get to play the full PC Doom or Quake til later and settled for Shareware and the N64 versions. Luckily this was a great game, as was Doom64 though different, and idk when I played Quake 64.. The Nightdive remasters are great, but I can't get Turok 2 to run 144hz for some reason so it's hard for me to bother, hopefully they'd add that at some point or fix it.

I remember playing this for hrs on GC when I was a kid.

The Radeon 9800 Pro was the first GPU I ever bought. A whopping 128MB of VRAM. Good times. I miss the old ATI/Nvidia tech demos.

Reminds me of the very first port of RE4, no lighting effects whatsoever and no mouse support either, though even with kb-only controls you can still be a crackshot, which is a testament to how well it's designed I suppose.

Honestly, watching this just makes me want to go back and play OG Turok. The Nightdive remaster that is.

I wonder if this game was only tested on a particular graphics card. Perhaps on GeForce 3 it would look kinda ok.

And this is why I hope Nightdive gets their hands on the code for this game. They will put their usual nightdive polish on it and probably add some quality of life improvements as well. One can hope.

Ahh. This was one if my favorite gamecube games. I remember being amazed when i first used a poison arrow and made the enemy vomit.

I suspect that on PC they tried to make it DX 7.0 compatible, as to work on Geforce 1, 2, MX (200, 400, 420.... 4000), Radeon (7000-7200), etc. The Xbox was DX 8.0 level, with a Geforce3 class GPU core. So, I blame this suspected decision with a lack of care, on top of zero support for additional effects from DX 8, 8.1, 9.0a or 9.0b that were available at the time of the PC release. Otherwise, I just can't understand the downgrade in graphics quality.

This reminds me of the PC port of San Andreas - missing the colour grading, heat haze and (I think) motion blur of the PS2 version. The effects are present in the PC build but are never turned on / activated due to issue in the rendering pipeline (RenderWare sucks on PC), so you wind up with a visually incomplete game.

I wonder if Nightdive Studios could polish up Turok Evolution for PC. I would buy that. :)

Lol! I remember being blown away with turok 2 on n64.... not understanding that it was probably running at like 11 fps, like a lot of good lookin n64 games

Damn the memories. I loved Dinosaurs as a kid so someone got me this for a birthday. My first exposure to an FPS of all games lol.

Night dive really needs to bring this back.

yooo i loved it when y’all did this with the matrix game!!! looking forward to diving into this one. hope to see more of this fun format later on!

I remember playing this on the gamecube with my brothers and having a blast. It was so glitchy it was like playing the game with a random event modifier.

Loved that could listen and watch you guys all day 💪

so glad to know i wasn’t the only one who had control troubles when i downloaded it on pc afew years ago, they explained what i was feeling when aiming.

27:35 Hahaha, i did not expect you guys using mega64's "badass" poster in this video. What a nice wholeseme surpise.

Played it on gamecube back in the days. I liked it a lot even though there was a game breaking bug that stopped me from beating the game. But I still remember how impressive the Jungle and the Dinosaurs were at the time

Far cry instincts: predator for original xbox was awesome, the melee and mutant powers combined with jungle stalking felt AMAZING. I kinda wish something like that with modern games, to be a predator on a sunny jungle island 😅

Kinda wish we got to see some PS2 and GC footage also to compare. I've always found this game fascinating. I actually kinda enjoyed it back in the day on GC. It's multiplayer is pretty fun also.

Love the hell out of this game. Played multiplayer all the time with my cousin on the maps with dinosaurs roaming around just merkin them. Bring Turok back!

I had this on gamecube spent so much time on this game

Please bring this game back to a full remaster. Love this game!

when youre looking out from the waterfall, it reminds me of how things look through some interior office windows in FEAR. is that a sorting thing in that case also?

LOVED this game. So much fun back on my Windows XP machine Pentium 4 + Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra Back in Time, Great Episode.

This was by no means the greatest game ever but I played it for so many hours with friends on the Xbox back in the day. I have a lot of good memories and nostalgia for it.

48:00 It's so funny to listen to John cursing, even though it is bleeped

i remember playing this game for hours on end when i had it on the gamecube was so much fun at the time to bad it was never remastered

These are quickly become some of my favourite videos.

The "wait for it" moments caught me off guard and are absolutely hilarious.

I loved that game on the ps2 as a kid! didn't expect a DF video about it, nice!

That Turok Evolution comparison with Shawn's picture is gold

I remember the game being shunned back in the day but i bought it for PS2 in late 2002/early 2003 and enjoyed it quite a bit. Was also pretty cheap already at that point.

Great analyze! Good grief and even more grief that Turok along with Red Faction and Duke Nukem (Forever ( 2001 gameplay content now released ) are in a damnable limbo and lack of competent dev ( except the Nightdive studio folks with Turok remasters on Steam ) studios to resurrect these francises with care, respect and keeping their franchises spirits. Turok, Red Faction and Duke Nukem were my childhood, teen years and now my adult life TONS more than Doom, Halo, Blood, Quake, Perfect Dark, Shadow Warrior, Triade etc

I need to find someone who likes me as much as Alex likes Turok

I would love this game to get the NightDive treatment. Include 2 versions: the original cut and a Nightdive cut, with streamed line levels and cutting the fluff such as the annoying aerial levels. Help us Stephen Kick, you're our only hope.

The rocks and such in the cave at 7:49 look like the bump map texture was put on top. I dont know if this game has bump maps though

So back in 2004 when I built my first PC in preparation for Half Life 2, This was actually the first game I bought for it. It must have been around April 04 and I got it for around 3.99 online still in its cellothane wrapper. Sure it was either from Gameplay or Play .. those were my go to websites back in the day.. I think I played it for around an hour or so then went back to playing my older games and newer demos... before splurging for Far Cry. That seen me through till Half LIfe 2's launch. Athlon 3200+ , 1GB DDR, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB. Always regretted not going for a socket 939 board as I built on the cheaper 754 socket on a MSI K8T NEO but when HL2 launched it didn't matter.. the 9800 Pro was awesome.

I didn't stick around for the whole video but this is a great format! Do some others please :)

I'd be interested in seeing a video comparing all the console versions its very interesting all the differences between them

I’m so happy you made a video about Turok thanks guys

27:35 never thought i would see a mega64 reference in a DF video

It's a long time since I played this but I remmeber struggling with the check points later in the game. I'd imagine this game is alot more fun with emulation and save states.

"It always goes back to the tomahawk" . I can bet that the game load a map , and then pick the default weapon by default each time , no weapon retention because it wasn't coded that way and each section is separate .. it was probably easier to debug during dev time.

Alex, are you also a Turok fan? You sometimes come up with a picture of Joshua Fireseed in your videos. Turok is to this day my favourite shooter franchise despite its flaws and inconsistencies, but I would love to see remakes/reimaginations of the first five games!!!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

Love this game. Really good. Just different than the originals. The campaign is just epic and the flying parts are gold. I also enjoy the setting, silly story and the weapons and their upgrades.

I actually had a lot of fun with this game on the Gamecube back in the day.

You guys should do a look at Turok 3 - I think that one also had those micro maps but had short load times. What still was amazing back then was the cinematic models used was way ahead of its time I feel. Also that and it kept up the creative weapons... I hope Nightdive takes a crack at it someday.

8:05 all of the meshes are missing the baked lighting data.

Love the Mega64 reference for the “generic shooter” box art.

I own the xbox and gamecube versions. Surprisingly gamecube version runs @ 50/60 fps (pal/ntsc), not steady tho. Think graphics maybe better on xbox, but never bothered playing it 'cause it was 30 fps lol

I used to play this on ps2 all the time when I'd visit my dad as a kid. (this and destroy all humans 2) I'd either watch my dad play through the story mode, or duke it out with my siblings on the bloodbath mode. My sister and I would specifically go to the map where the entire arena is in the trees, and raptors roam around below, and we'd team up to see how long we could survive against them. Luckily I backed up most of my ps2 games a while back so im gonna boot this up via emulator and give it a go

Back in the day my friends and me used to play this loads, have great memories of epic flying death matches!

Lol my dad got this for me from the bargain bin on my OG xbox back in the day. I was kid and was just amazed dinosaurs made it in a game

This is awesome did not expect this!

Oh the nostalgia, one of my all-time favorite games! FMNFB I play this on the GameCube though. 👀

Now try 007 Nightfire, beautiful game on consoles... totally different on PC.

I remember watching a making of video on this game at the time (because unbelievably, I was excited about it), and iirc the lead designer was just some guy who they hired because he was good at drawing guns. I didn't understand that decision back then, but in hindsight it was maybe out of desperation. His inexperience is on full display.

I play this one on Game Cube in 2002 It will be interesting make a comparation againts The xbox, Game Cube and PS2 cool video

I never played Evolution but I played the one they had on 360 and I remember it being a good throwback at a time when people crapped on throwbacks.

More PC vs Console time capsule please!

As nightdive currently ports turok 3 - Do you think they will also do evolution (and finally fix it?)

Now this is a game that could use a remake in a good modern engine. I mean yeah Ill take a crysis like Turok game. The panzer dragoon\air section is cool, cooler if it would work like Halo or even earlier drakan, again its something a new engine could pull off easily today.

Would really like to hear from a developer on this. Last days of Acclaim interview or such.

John. You should give Battle Zone-series some DF Retro love... 98 & Battle Commander, plus Redux-versions. Such an excellent games! And that brings Carrier Command to my mind...

Did the game really run at 30 fps on the Xbox? I owned this on GameCube and I vividly remember it running at 60fps (or at least targetting 60 fps). I knew the PS2 version ran at 30fps but I I thought the Xbox version ran at 60fps.

If I'm not mistaken (it was a long time ago now) the PC port looks to me like it's running the fixed function pipeline (possibly emulated on shaders.) The Xbox was, I believe, the first console to support pixel shaders and the functionality could not have been assumed on PC (depending on your targeted baseline of course.) The fixed function and programmable shader pipelines were basically two completely different ways of doing 3d rendering, so the developers would probably have had to build two separate rendering engines and decided not to bother. EDIT: Another possibility is that I don't think DX8+ support would have guaranteed a certain number of texture samplers, so it may be that the shaders have been built to not access enough textures simultaneously to do techniques like lightmapping. The way I remember it, hardware capability was a mess at this time.

I would like to see the same comparison done to NFS Most Wanted. 360 vs PC

I played the game on the Gamecube, while the single player campaign was buggy it was kinda fun. That was without playing any previous Turok games. The weapons were amazing to be honest, each had their own unique multiple modes. Lastly the split screen multiplayer was fun (not the flyer stuff). In the single player, the environment was really nice for the time. It had a lot of foliage compared to games like Halo.

I had it for the GameCube and played it non stop as a kid. So much nostalgia watching this. Wish the pc version was good enough because now I wanna play it again lol

Guess the best way to play this would be GameCube? I see that it's 60fps, and it doesn't seem to be missing many effects compared to Xbox. Also, the cliffs seem to be more detailed- I know the studio's other big game of the time, Vexx, had noticeably bad texture filtering on Xbox, so you'd end up seeing the lower-quality mipmap at even a fairly short distance (complete with an abrupt cutoff where it switches detail levels!). In that case, the GCN version came out looking sharper at times. Anyway, textures look a bit blurry in TE for GameCube, but their higher-quality equivalents can easily be copied out of the PC version, so I'm thinking I'll do that.

I love these episodes! Please do Kingpin.

PC version have mods to fix the issues now, or able to use reshade on modern pcs to fix some of the issues. It be nice if Night dive studios can remaster and improve this game and also port the 3rd game on pc.

The end game zoo level was my favorite! :)

John a retro episode on the Soul Reaver / Legacy of Kain games would be amazing. Especially with subtle hints from Embracer that there may be a future. Hell you could do a whole episode on the sound design of Soul Reaver

The WinXP version looks like an early 2000 game, not late 2003.

i genuinely loved brute force back in the day. would be really interested to see your analysis

The game taking away weapons is a bug, even if you play the game legit without cheats, some weapons will be gone from your inventory for some stages. For instance, if you get the rocket launcher on the third stage, you won't be able to use it on stage four. The nuke is also another example, you get two ammo shots when you pick it up but if you carry it to the next stage that ammo will be gone from your inventory.

I had this on the PS2. Unfortunately, I didn't have a memory card so it was a competition to see how far I can get with each play before the lights were shut off.

This was my favorite FPS game as a kid, and now I have no desire to play it on PC.

Multiplayer on GameCube was my childhood. Damn I don't remember it looking this rough!

you guys fnin up my childhood memories right here lol