I remember when this episode came out, I was coming to the end of myself and eventually my eyes were fully opened to this deception at that point. Thanks for doing this.

Mr Bancarz is a very intelligent/discerning young man. Glad he's out of new age deception and hope he thrives.

This episode on the Cultish podcast was one of the first cracks in the dam of my WOF theology. Almost 2.5 years later and we are members of a solid reformed church and our children are thriving in the Gospel. Thank you, Melissa and Stephen and the Cultish guys!

Thanks for addressing this. I suffered thru 10 years (most of my youth) watching my wonderful church be slowly transformed by these cancerous teachings. A place where I was fed, became a place that left me spiritually anemic. Even as a kid, I knew something was off, and fortunately I had enough scripture to help me out of there. Ironically, those folks were very against the New Age, but were blinded by the influence. This was the 1980s, and unfortunately those I knew who did not escape this, have had their theology get worse and worse. For example, they would have rejected Bethel/Bill Johnson, but now they embrace all that nonsense; and that is what happens when you continuously follow that carrot of the next experiential high. Genesis 3 lie regurgitated and repackaged over and over.

Shortly after becoming a believer I listened to Kenneth and Gloria Copeland. I spent years trying to follow the teachings. I had to finally realize as hard as I tried I couldn’t measure up. Thankfully the Father opened my eyes to the lies they were teaching. Last year I even discovered they were asking for prayer for Gloria’s healing. She had suffered for years with some physical challenges. Sad that she’s had to keep it hidden to avoid judgment from others.

Great chat guys I will share..it brought to mind what happened to me when a pastor told me he believed in "the little gods" idea..He said to me "I CAN DO WHAT GOD CAN DO"!! MY REPLY WAS "IS THAT RIGHT? HOW ABOUT WE GO TO THE NEAREST SWIMMING POOL AND SEE YOU WALK ON WATER"!!! NEEDLESS TO SAY HE LOOKED BEFUDDLED AND WALKED AWAY..ONE WEEK LATER HE WAS SACKED FOR THIS HERESY...PRAISE GOD THAT "HE CALLS THOSE THINGS THAT BE NOT AS THEY ARE" NOT MAN WITH THE "NAME IT AND CLAIM IT" NONSENSE...REGARDS TO ALL FROM AUSTRALIA ❤️

I was raised in the church of Unity, which is very new age, and branched out of New thought. Consequently I am very sensitive to these cultish teachings. It really bothers me to hear these unbiblical teachings creeping into the fundamental churches. It is good to know that there are people that are warning believers about the ungodly teachings that are so prevalent now.

We need like a family tree / time line with the history of WOF , new age, new thought, progressive movements. Y’all are dropping so many gems. I am literally seeking biblical wisdom and guidance. Thank you 🌻💛🌻

This is soo eye-opening. I am looking for a new church right now and this is really helpful to discern which church is biblically sound. Thank you for doing this!

Where has Steven been???? He hasn't posted on his KZfaq for months!!

This is so eye opening. Thank you for discussing this. Bless you

Steven Bancarz! That's my dude, God bless you guys :)

So how I missed this episode when it came out. I sat down today, Bible in hand, and throughly enjoyed this discussion. Thank you.

This was excellent! Thank you. If you see Steven please tell him that he is missed. His testimony (as well as yours and Doreen’s) have had a huge impact in my life.

Woah Steven Bancarz, love his videos . Excited for this one

If we were exact duplicates of God, we wouldn't need to repeat a mantra to convince ourselves of it.

You guys are awesome, thank you for your work

Hi Melissa! I saw this when it first came out. Watched it again yesterday. It was a great reminder! Thanks!

I've been revisiting those 2 Cultish episiodes of yours over the years. They are one of the most helpful sources to me on this topic. Please talk more about these issues again if you can. Thank you, Melissa!Blessings!

Thank you for doing this!

I had the craziest experience of actually showing a Word of Faither where in the Bible their theology wasn't adding up to the Truth. They responded "thanks" and moved on with their lies and lives. So frustrating and disappointing! This Word of Faith stuff isn't just confusing to people's faiths, but it actually can draw people away from God and straight into the enemies hands. To not have faith in the Truth. Thank you so much for being bold and exposing this!

Lol! Ex-new agers talking about Word of faith and use the term "third times a charm". Amazing how witchcraft is so embedded into our language these days. WOF is witchcraft . Cannot wait to watch this. Thanks guys!

I’ll share my experience with WOF. My first wife died of cancer. A Faith church member came into her hospital room, ignoring myself and other family members. She called Maggie “my healed friend “. She was so convinced she was going to be healed that she told us not to say good bye. This was when she was on oxygen and couldn’t speak. She wrote it for us. The result was a loss of a sense of closure. And not one person from that church came to her memorial service.

Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾 Reliable and relevant ✅ His grace and mercy be upon you all 🕊️🥛🍯

Very powerful. Thank you SO much for posting this. So much of this awful stuff has crept into the church that we need to be alert to these things, especially if they've affected our thinking and our beliefs, even in subtle ways.

“God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”

Yes! Thank you for speaking up!

Like Lambs To The Slaughter by Johanna Michaelson really opened my eyes to the New Age Movement. ..The ancient Hindu practice of Yoga is running rampant in our churches. I very much remember life in the 1940s and the 1950s when New Age teachings were considered "edgy" and spiritually strange. Sadly, the church in America has been significantly transformed by the beguiling snares of the devil. We are witnessing deception in these end times that Jesus spoke of in Matthew chapter 24.

Thank you for this conversation

GREAT stuff! Thank you for sharing! So happy I came across your channel! 💖

Thanks for posting. I only stumbled on your channel a few weeks ago, so I wouldn't have heard this. I hear a lot about positive confession in my church and it always makes the back of my brain itch, but I haven't developed a coherent argument for why it bugs me. I guess it's time to do that, eh? The connections to New Age/New Thought are disturbing.

Split the arrow in the center of the bulls-eye with this one Brother & Sisters. DARN GREAT WORK! AMEN!

Love this episode! But I can’t help but wonder what’s going on with Steven Bancarz? I haven’t seen anything recent from him. I like watching his videos and hope he gets back to creating more.

My childhood church was taken over by Word of Faith, as were my parents. I believed it for a while I think when I was younger, and I still think Andrew Wommack is a genuinely good hearted man even though I disagree with his theology. Reading the Bible a lot cured me of Word of Faith, as well as learning more about traditional church teachings, both Orthodoxy & Catholicism. My take-away is the same thing I've found is the root of all the theological issues I notice (and I suspect is the root of any theological issues I may still have): Carnality. It's important to point out that while WoF people definitely rely on "personal revelation", they also definitely use scripture a lot, but they tend to pick verses out of context. Simply using scripture isn't enough, we need to use it with a really deeply earnest intellectual honesty, and never forsake the direction of the Holy Spirit but only in humility. Real humility will absolutely dissolve WoF, because as the saying goes "it isn't thinking less of yourself, it's thinking of yourself less", and WoF centers entirely around our personal carnal needs. There is a root of truth in Word of Faith, but it's a small root from a much bigger tree, not the tree itself. God did have his prophets declare things that were carnally important - but I don't think God ever acted in a global sense for purely carnal reasons. He cares about our bodies (he told Elijah to take a nap and eat when he was distraught), but his main concerns are spiritual because he is spiritual. I can't remind myself enough that "the carnal mind is enmity with God", and I must constantly make an effort to renew my mind. Thanks for your efforts, insofar as they help with that!

Loved it!

This is EXCELLENT!!!!!!!

I love cultish! Ive learned so much about the cults through their podcast.

Great vid, thanks.

Wow! Thank you!

I grew up in this AG word of Faith and very religious very outward appearance and while we were doing that The Pastor Was Stealing the money outside of his salary (which was hefty) and lavishing his family and home with the best.. I have now found a healthy church…ALL TO SAY I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!!!!

20 yrs ago i got involved with this tyoes of teaching and these teachers. The evangelist at the time was personally connected to the Copelands and ulf eckman. He helped me get believers voice of victory magazines and introduced me to lakewood church. He himself was truly an honest person, so I also think he was duped by them. I have since returned back to my original faith and beliefs and feel blessed by His grace to do so. It is now getting pushed out of the way by the NAR. This would be the Bethel style churches etc.

@Melissa Daugherty This is really good, And so true; Thank God for this video. Is there a part 2?

Eye opening stuff! I have always dismissed this kind of ‘televangelist, name it and claim it and rebuke all the bad stuff’ teaching as laughable and money hungry, but I had no idea how profoundly unchristian the beliefs behind it actually were.

Jesus did do battle with sin. He was tempted. Unlike us, He never succumbed.

This podcast is lit! Just saying! Side note - never thought I'd hear a podcast about WOF without a Legend of Zelda reference :)

I love when Christians speak out against the new age; it's so destructive. the new age got me as well. and i just started releasing a testimony series on my channel about coming from New age leaving it for Jesus! feedback on the channel would be great. thanks and God bless!!

There he is!

Love it

Great video and such clear explaining of truth. The Gnostic beliefs are also deeply in the New age teachings and Old Testament demiurge haters. Science falls into Alchemy and Gnostic secret society doctrine, into the deeper sciences (Quantum physics, theoretical physics, particle scientists, mathematics, etc.)

From Australia I must say thank you very very much for your efforts! You and Frank Turek have made me such a much wiser person!! God bless you and forever continue with your work!!

Thanks for posting. I was heavily into the NAR until God allowed Covid to open my eyes. I too observed the behaviors of all the churches around the world and how they handled covid. I noticed everyone masking up and shutting down services as the rest of the world did. When my church opened up, everyone was required to wear a mask. I flat out refused. It was then that I began researching all the claims of the NAR teachers and found that they were false. I have finally left my church last week.

Thank you very much for this video, and the exposure of these blasphemous teachings,yes God is in control, he is a sovereign God, and he , not us, is in control !!

It all goes back to the old same lie from the Garden.. it is still around

Melissa, I wonder if you could repost part 2, 3, and the Cultish discussions about Bethel?

Please release part two on your channel

I was a member of World Changers for over 10 years. I've been away from the WOF movement for over a decade. Hearing this quotes from these ministers now sounds crazy.

Helllooo there!!

Where’s Steve? I miss him.

Can yall PLEASE speak on Carlton Pearson!

Amen

Absolutely chilling! Delusional & no fear of The Living God…am afraid for them.

Jeremiah: "We're in studio with Melissa Doh... Tree?" Melissa: "No." Lol!!!!!!!

I agreed with most of what you said but it was hard to watch because it was so dark. Also, the gentleman on the computer made it look kind of strange.

Are you familiar with the book Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill? That book would be considered as New Thought and a lot of Charismatic churches recommend it.

Agree

Are there any "hook lines" in the New Age that are particularly effective at getting the attention of a newbie, a person who has no idea about New Age type stuff?? Similar to "pick up lines" in a bar type questions or slogans/statements?

Hope he is ok. 😢

The problem with the WOF/NAR/hyper-Charismatic/New Thought teachings is first and foremost they put man in equality with God. Second, they put Christians above non-Christians and also the concept of "Holy-Spirit" Christians above those seen as "non Holy-Spirit" Christians. Third, they forget that the fruit of the Spirit that comes from someone's life (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) is MUCH more telling of if someone is in Christ than if they can "prophesy, speak in tongues, have word of knowledge and etc." We forget that the reality of a transformed heart is indeed spiritual. It is so heartbreaking because it breeds both pride and pain. Confusion and exhaustion. Comparison and disappointment... A lot of truly bad fruit... John 20:29 "Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

What do you think about a preacher who says when Peter stepped out of the boat, it was an act of disobedience? There are other things he says and does that give me pause (such as preaching a sermon about how to "step into the supernatural" like what does that even mean?), but that one in particular struck me as odd. I heard another message that basically said Paul was sexist. And I'm like, is there this new trend of bashing the apostles unreasonably?

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Does anyone know if there was ever a part 2 to this?

Hi Melissa! I want to gift someone who’s very deep into new age belief a book. Could you please recommend me something that you found really good? This person’s main language isn’t english, so maybe something that’s a little easier to read would be amazing, if you know any book of that tyoe. I’d super appreciate it! 🤗

I've wondered have you ever thought about bringing in someone from the other side to debate them.

What people do not get 8s that words only have power to hurt or lift up the human mind and heart. Thats it. It does not manifest physical things. God will do for you what you can't. "Save your soul". He won't do for you what you can do for yourself. Like working for your living and doing what He wants us to do.

Is there a way to talk with you Melissa? I am freaking out and just got saved recently but still feel like I am doing something wrong. It's taking some time to do all this bible study and I feel time is very short. How to get in touch?

Where is Steven Bancarz? Haven't seen anything recent from him for a long time...Does anyone know how he's doing?

I’m curious. You guys spoke on how many of these teachers came about from their own revelation from god. And these people basically ordain themselves. But didn’t Paul have revelation from God ? He also declared himself an apostle ? I’ve come across a few that have also posed this to me, and do you have any knowledge to speak on this? I can read the teachings but I’m trying to understand how Paul’s revelation and teachings line up with Christ.

Where is Steven????

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I have not found the part 2 yet. How do I find it?

I understand about closing their churches about faith or the lack of but I am sure that they would say it's because we're following the law they're back door

Good video! I like Steven, but he seems to have disappeared? Hope he is doing well.

Melissa, do you ever get attacked by men saying that you're not supposed to teach from the Bible... Especially teaching to men? There's a lot of men these days saying that women shouldn't even be speaking in the church. Some of them are a bit brash about it... I have read the verses they talk about but I just don't think it means we can never talk about the Bible scripture or ever talk to men ever about these things. Can you please explain your thoughts on these things?

There is great deception in this teaching, God has showed me this ……… I didn’t know the depths of this teaching but my wife has been in this movement since she was 8. They don’t know the deception because of the structure of these guys, you don’t question them, Bereans don’t exist😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

Haven’t heard from Steven in a long time, hope he’s alright.

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Wow wow wow

Psalm 91

Is this in older times I’m guessing?

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The inferiority comment really stood out to me because what was Adam and Eves first response...to hide from God. They knew they didn't compare to Him, that they weren't one with Him. They knew Him well enough to anticipate God's anger and or disappointment when they did actually transgress and discover God had made them in His image and "like Him" in ways cuz that's what the serpent honed in on, that they would be like God and to distract and dilude them from what God had given them and shared with them. But they knew the truth that they were not pre or post fall exactly God. Slick deception. Serpent probably figured if he just came out and said that Adam and Eve would become God by eating the fruit of knowledge of Good and evil, it probably wouldn't be bought because A&E spent time in God's presence. But to be LIKE God. That's appealing. Yeah I Wana be more like the person I most admire. Eve saw the fruit and assessed it would give them wisdom through transference through consumption, rather than through conversation with the Lord. She saw the fruit that day as pleasing to the eye rather than God being pleasing to the soul.

ok, last comment lol when they say don't touch God's Anointed 😅. these people are sick

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At 8:30 It's not a 'right from God' it's a 'measure of faith' that God has given to everyone wether you believe in Him or not. I'm not a fan of Rodney but, he is prophesying according to the measure of faith he has; Romans 12:6. He has faith for Florida not for the rest of the country.

It’s funny, I know someone who went to a WOF church for a decade then went to another church and got saved because they heard the true gospel for the first time. They started reading the Bible and realized that the WOF doesn’t match up well with scriptures. Who woulda thought 🤷‍♂️

My mind went blasphemy!!!!

God will not put up with sharing in his glory. What happened to Moses?

So is John G lake and Curry R Blake part of this deception?, they sound good but something is way off about them

Are gonna get Judged for making fun of this

They are still in New Age.