My personal opinion about why Christians fall for this stuff is we don't know our Bibles. Especially with women's Bible studies, so much of it is more self help and fluffy. I think the motivation is good but it's not really equipping us for reality now.

My former roommate gave me this book to read. A week later she asked how I liked it because I had put it on her bed. She said, “wasn’t it amazing!?” I said, “I didn’t finish it.” She was so surprised I didn’t care for it. I told her I didn’t understand why people were glorifying a woman breaking up her family and deciding she was a lesbian. She tried to fight me on it and kept telling me to finish it. I was so disappointed because I think Doyle is a brilliant writer and story teller. My roommate wouldn’t let it go and then the BLM riots broke out outside our home in LA. She tried to force me to go walk. A week later I moved out. Thank you God for keeping me strong.

I'm a new believer, don't know the Bible that well. But one thing I do know, is the first book I must read, is the Bible. Anything else isn't even on my list. This is why I love your channel, it really teaches me a lot and your guests are super helpful. Many blessings from South Africa

10:37 - “When we tell people that ‘You’re fine just as you are-you just need to follow those good instincts you were born with and follow your heart,’ really, we’re just setting them up to be *enslaved to sin* .”

i loved this talk. i am a Christian teenager so it's so hard living in a world in which young people are being decieved into this ideology, even people within the Church. this was a great video though.

If your "truth" conflicts with God's Truth, then your "truth" is a lie. Great job, ladies!

My mother decided to leave her husband and son and pursue the LGTBQ lifestyle. (I was out of the house by then, but was 8 months pregnant with my first child). I remember when we were arguing about it because I just couldn’t believe she was leaving her husband (who thought things were going well), my troubled teenage brother, and her soon-to-be-first-time-mom daughter behind for another woman. She simple told me, “I know God loves me and wants me to be happy” and “It’s my turn to be selfish.” Simple as that. In her mind, God totally approved of what she was doing. I couldn’t believe it. Unfortunately, she moved to the other side of the country and we don’t have a relationship anymore. And on top of that, her side of the family shunned ME for disapproving because I was supposed to love and support her as a Christian. 🙄 Then books like this come out from “Christian leaders” and just give them even more of an excuse to believe that what they’re doing is not only approved by God, but is essentially our highest calling for “true” fulfillment. Words cannot describe how much this upsets me to my core.

My wife was gifted this book. Said she got 2 chapters in and stopped reading because it wasn't Biblically sound. I read 1 paragraph at random and felt the same. 🤣

The thing that Glennon forgot is something that Allie Beth Stuckey has said, namely "You are not enough, and that's OK". Allie's point is that we all need Jesus and we get into serious trouble once we start thinking that we're "enough" apart from Him.

"It's an apologetic for her decision" . Alisa nailed this one on the head.

That I AM statement at the end of her book terrifies me. That is honestly so scary to hear another human being say that about themself. But at the same time I wonder how often I unconsciously think that about myself in my pride....

To Glennon's comment about "if you are warm to me but think I'm going to burn in hell, you don't love me". Actually, I think that proves that you love someone so much you are willing to say the hard things in hopes of saving their eternal souls. Loving someone to hell isn't love.

The problem is that many people actually want to be affirmed in their sin. They don’t want to be wrong, to need change. There seems to be so many people scrambling toward the ‘pot of gold’ of their own desires. Thank you for your combined work in challenging this self idolatry.

Jesus said :"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it."

Anyone who says you can't love someone if you disagree with their lifestyle or think they will go to hell if they don't change have never had a family member addicted to drugs. Or a family member who was abusive. I do love them, but change is a must because it tears down those around them. I had to change because I was tearing down those around me.

There is no such thing as "Social Justice," there is just Justice.

When I was in new age I loved this book. I can’t believe there are any Christians who would like or condone this book. It’s pretty opposite to a Christian mindset.

I was just talking to my husband the other day about the difference between confessing your sins vs. confessing your wrongdoings. I notice that I really don't hear the word sin, even in the church these days. Kinda crazy...

Thanks for this! I think of this book as a picture of the snake tempting Eve, and also when Jesus tells Peter “Get behind me, Satan”-I hear people saying to me “oh, but you deserve this” or “you shouldn’t have to do that if it doesn’t make you happy,” etc but that’s the big lie, that’s not the way of Jesus.

Oh my yes. I was at a Women of Faith conf in Charlotte NC when Jen Hatmaker made a huge deal of bringing out a surprise guest, Glennon Doyle. This was right before the public announcement about both of their change in biblical orthodoxy. What they said & how they behaved threw up all sorts of “red flags” & I had to respond to the questions of the three friends I had taken with me. I was so disheartened by everything they said. & yes, agree with Alissa, that this philosophy is ruining marriages & lives.

This is so disturbing. Jesus said its a narrow path that few find. Thank you for speaking out, this all just reminds you that He's coming soon so we need to stand firm in the Lord. Grateful for your great ministries!

I wish that women who think destroying their families will teach their daughters empowerment and self worth would talk to some of us who have lived on the receiving end of that decision. My mom left my dad when my sister and I were both grown and out of the house. Her reasons were essentially the same as described here although she ran into the arms of another man rather than a woman. She would have said she wanted us to learn about pursuing happiness and self worth and all that. What we learned was that she was a liar who couldn’t be trusted. My sister struggled with her romantic relationship because she became convinced that all marriages were destined to fail. We learned that my mom truly didn’t believe any of the beliefs she raised us on. We learned that her love was conditional. We learned that peer pressure is still a danger in your fifties. We learned that she was selfish and weak instead of the strong woman we thought she was. We learned what it was like to have to separate holidays and vacations. We learned that it’s hard for the grandkids to see two sets of grandparents regularly, it’s impossible to do when there are three or four sets. We learned how to ignore her guilt trips and hurting her feelings when she doesn’t get holiday or vacation time. When you destroy your family for your own happiness you are teaching your kids a lot, just not what you think you are. This was devastating in our twenties, I cannot imagine how negatively changed we would have been had this occurred when we were children.

I’m divorced two years - brutal and for Biblical reasons. It wasn’t what I wanted and the lie of divorce is you will be free. But the reality is it is devastating, it rips apart families and scars in ways only someone who has been through it understands. It isn’t beautiful or freeing even in situations (like mine) where there isn’t a choice. Thank you for shining a light on this dangerous deception.

I’m a pastor in the UK and have never heard of “untamed” … thank you so much for bringing it this to my attention and all your videos!

Reminds me of the classic Rich Mullins song “The Maker of Noses”: They said boy you just follow your heart But my heart just led me into my chest They said follow your nose But the direction changed every time I went and turned my head And they said boy you just follow your dreams But my dreams were only misty notions But the Father of hearts and the Maker of noses And the Giver of dreams He's the one I have chosen And I will follow Him

I gotta be honest - this was an incredibly helpful topic to discuss. I never came across that particular book until now. Thanks, Melissa and Alisa! Sidenote: Your review of Untamed was fierce - enough to make Katy Perry's Roar sound more like a little kitty meow. . . .

I seldom read Christian books. I just read and reread the Bible. I recommend this method, and only purchase new books when they are for sure biblical (by then you'll have read the Bible and can discern for yourself).

I was sooo captured by this book and general ideology before I was saved, and now my eyes are OPEN and I've been plucked out of the mud and chaos. God is good. Thank you for this work!

I’ve always considered Doyle to be a self-obsessed naval gazer. I know that’s harsh, but she literally talks about herself and encourages nothing but self-reflection all the time. Yeah she encourages giving and justice, but jeez. She. Loves. Her. Own. Voice.

“You don’t love me if you want to change me.” That’s them identifying with their individual desires and proclivities. The Christian is consistent: You are not merely a conglomeration of beliefs and desires. You are soul. That is who we are. And our desires can change. We’re not trying to change who you are, we’re trying to conform your desires to Christ. Don’t identify with your desires.

This may be the best youtube video you have ever done. I really needed this. Now I know why so many of my friends decided to ditch their Christian roots and their marriages and ruin their lives in 2020 and on. This book has left a trainwreck behind it. And it's still plowing forward. This is what happens when sin is not rebuked and removed from any person's life. We not only destroy ourselves, but then we try to destroy others. THANK YOU for posting this!!! WE NEED JESUS

I loved this so much. The self love movement is so dangerous.

Two lovely ladies of God, always a treat. Insights very much needed. Blessings from UK 🇬🇧

Thank you for talking about this! These teachings are so dangerous and people need to know the truth. You and Alisa are an amazing duo! God bless you guys!

This is the only book I’ve ever thrown away. Not only did I not want to read it again, I didn’t want anyone else reading it either. I felt I couldn’t even donate it. I can’t remember the exact words but in the book she basically says that we think Eve got it wrong by biting into the apple but perhaps she actually got it right. I was so done after that.

Narcegesis 101: 1. If you love me you accept my beliefs 2. Justice is whatever I want it to be 3. If your beliefs get in my way, you're a bigot

Hi ladies. This discussion moved me a lot. That shipwrecked spouse. I was that guy. Wife left 2015, cheated on me with the registrar from the Bible College she graduated from whilst we were going through counselling heading for reconciliation, or so I thought. It all turned out to be a mirage. Divorces me 2017, married 4months later to a woman. I lost almost all my friends & church family. The church ends up dying because Progressive Ideology crept in & destroyed the community in 2019. I then hear of those same people have relationship with my ex & her new partner, dinners, birthdays. Whilst excluding me from their lives. So trash 🥴 Hearing about this book being out there & the similar language used in it that I heard from my ex & people in my church towards the end before I chose to leave the community. It saddens me so much. I pray that the power of the Holy Spirit draws these people to repentance. I had to repent for my ignorance & being apart of a false Gospel that I’ve now spent the last 7yrs realigning. So finding content like this is fire 🔥

people don't want to accept we're sinners. Maybe that's why books like this have always drawn people away from the truth of the Gospel.

Glennon has been on my radar since her mommy-blogger days, even before I was a Christian. I was totally into all the mommy-blog stuff and couldn't get enough of all the pseudo-inspiration about motherhood they pumped out. But there was something different about Glennon. I always got the sense that she thought she was very important, and that people needed HER to be their guide. I'm sure other bloggers thought the same about themselves, but Glennon was more overt about it. I specifically remember a post (maybe on Instagram) of her at a conference and another attendee had her head in Glennon's lap. I don't remember the exact caption, but it was basically about how women could come to her for rest. Again, I was not a Christian at the time, but it still felt so weird and off. Like who does this lady think she is exactly? I could be wrong, but I think Glennon knows exactly what she's doing. I think she's actively working to disrupt lives in the name of freedom of the self. And I don't think she cares who gets hurt along the way, but to someone like her, that collateral damage is worth it to live your "truth."

I just checked out the book because I like to look at things for myself and had to stop reading... not surprised that Oprah endorses it😣 😞 stay strong Christians! ✝️🙏❤thanks for sharing this ladies!

This book was selected in the book club I am part of and I had no idea who the writer was or the topic. In a way, I'm glad I read it, as a mature christian, that I was able to easily identify the author's intent: 1) seeking acceptance for her choices 2) persuade readers to agree with her 3) persuade readers to follow her example

I love how you reminded us of how God is 100% of all His attributes. I think this is key in appreciating the mystery of God and walking by faith through so many seasons of life.

I was in an atheist group and I can’t tell you how many people go to church, and even serve in the ministry that do not believe in God. They would come to this group and vent out their bitterness against God and the church. As true Christians we must be vigilant and learn God’s word. The scriptures are not to be changed or added to. The Bible even warns us to not give in to other books that will come out. The truth is: most people will not go to heaven and find life. The road is straight and narrow. I will pray for this author and those who believe the lies that we are to serve our self. God bless y’all!

It just goes to show how incredibly self centred we all are when books like this take off like they do.

I have Christian friends who love this book, one who is a female ‘pastor’ 😔 Please note that the concept of ‘the Knowing’ has entered into Christianity a long time ago via ‘spiritual formation’ teachings. See Richard Foster and the Quakers, see Dallas Willard, Ruth Haley Barton, John Ortberg etc. So I think that’s why Christian women are accepting this teaching - it’s already infiltrated.

For years I’ve said the same thing about no fault divorce. For 30 years now parents have been able to divorce and be applauded for being strong and brave, all while leaving hurt children and family members that are not given the ability to grieve and heal because it’s all supposed to be a “good” “freeing” thing! Our sin is so heartbreaking to God! It grieves Him and it leaves a wake of destruction in its path!

Firstly thank you for reminding us that the Devil always masquerades himself as an angel of light in order to lie steal and deceive. Secondly thank you for reminding us that we always have to keep problematic people in our prayers and not loose our humanity while disagreeing with them, we should always remember to treat everyone with love and respect and acknowledge the fact that they are also human beings and have the same feelings like the rest of us.

I started this book several times, yet it kept falling from my hands. This was at the end of my twenty year new age life, of which I struggle inching my way to fully taking up my cross and washing me clean! Thank you for this. I most likely would have left my forty year marriage based on this book! 🙏🏼💜

Thank you, Melissa! There is so much that you and Alissa have spoken about but one thing that really struck me was when you talked about Bruce Jenner's 'transitioning' and said what about the wife. Nobody ever thinks about the wife, or the kids or the step kids, et cetera. I was that wife 15 years ago and my heart was broken for so long.

Every time, I despair at what is happening in the world, I come upon a video like this that gives me hope that there are people out there defending the faith. I thank God for these two ladies and many others who are working for the Lord and his glory. Hallelujah all honour and praise to our Lord Jesus Christ who died to redeem us from sin and all He ask is that we accept him and He will do the rest.

I love the point you make about there being a lot of good content in this book. My dad always told us to do as 1Thessalonians 5:21 Says "Test all things; hold fast to what is good" We can take what is said and hold on to the truth and throw out the lies. This is a rule I have lived by. I do find that the devil is clever and usually throws a lot of truth laced with lies. This is what makes them so attractive. Thanks to both of you for all that you do in this space. I love listening to you guys.

This made me think about the things my ex husband said before he left. He kept saying he just wanted to be happy. Something about that just didn’t seem right even before I sprinted to Jesus. I was a progressive/new age/nominal Christian when I married an atheist before God knocked some sense into me.

Wonderful to hear women bravely speaking biblical truth. It is becoming more rare every day to find true biblical persons to fellowship with let alone just to talk to. Spiritual isolation is a horrible reality.

What I find fascinating is not that the content of this video isn't good, but that most local evangelical churches don't care about teaching information like this to their congregants. Long live anti-intellectualism in the church, NOT!

Such great reminder for us Christians not to get our hearts hardened as we deal with all kinds of heretics, but rather understand that behind those people are dark forces and principalities. So let's pray that those people will be won over to Christ from the enemy! Let's pray and bless our enemies non stop

Wow cool, my two favorite Christian ladies. Enjoyed the show very much! Love you guys! Keep up the great work 👍✌️

Two fine and scripturally based Christian pastors. An inspiration to listen to you both. You work well together.

As you talk about this I picture the wailing and gnashing when Christ returns, the sudden horror and grief as they know what they have done. I do hope and pray they find their way.

Thank you! Totally agree! Just love and appreciate you both so much!

Some things appear to be spiritual but when you dig in more God is not in it. I mean is it gold or gold plated? In my ongoing journey with my savior, Jesus He renewed my spirit. The truth is like surgery it hurts but it cures. Those big names can do tremendous damage to the ones who do not have the spirit of discernment. God have mercy!!!

OMGoodness you guys. You have just really talked about something that I am learning to practice better in my life. I am not a new Christian but I do have new changes that happen to me very often. When you talk about how you pray for those you talk about. It hit me when you both were talking about it. I am praying & asking God to help me be more like that. Thank you both, love your channels.

You both have such tender hearts. Thank you for reminding us to love those who are deceived and pray for them.

I love it when you two make videos together! My two favs talking about the topic I’m most concerned about! Thanks for all you do!

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for both being so passionate about this!! I’m just now coming out of my experience in progressive Christianity with heavy new age influence. This type of ideology almost tore my marriage (and my life) completely apart... my husband and I watched it destroy our closest friends marriages... the pain I feel watching this movement is honestly overwhelming.

I have not read the book but from what I’ve heard from you about it sounds like what my ex husband would say when he was trying to get the guts to break up with me. I wanted to work on our relationship through counsel but he refused and would say “I just want my life back.” He wanted to break up an almost 13 year marriage for selfish reasons not for any good reason at all. It was absolutely devastating to me. I know I’m better for not being with him but I will always have a scarred heart from that experience. I know at the end of his life he will be alone because he believes all he needs is himself. I have decided this year is the year I’m going to work on my relationship with God & healing so I can help other people as much as I possibly can in the next half of my life. Thank you for opening up this discussion! Bless you both!

Thank you, Melissa and Alisa. A wonderful episode on this current danger of being our own god that has swept into our churches.

This is brilliant. I agree completely with both of you. Discernment is the key word, here!

This was such a good and much needed conversation. Thank you both for continuing with the message of love and the Gospel

In our culture, we idolize "love". Love is what we worship. :(

The holy grail bit was so powerful! Thats the Holy Spirit is speaking through Melissa!!

I love you ladies! Don’t stop being unapologetic and bold in speaking up about these topics and about the gospel!

I was saying preach it also! And it's always great to hear the gospel message woven into a beautiful talk! Both you ladies are wonderful representatives and examples for we women!

This is a fascinating conversation! Thank you for sharing your perspectives on this book. I am curious if either of you have heard of the book “Them Before Us” by Katy Faust. It basically highlights the danger in our culture for children because adults put their own happiness above the rights of the children. So many things you’re saying in this video are in line with the sentiments of Faust’s book.

1. You cannot SAVE yourself, you are not God 2. Bondage is slavery to sin, true freedom is righteousness

Thank you for standing up for the truth. In today’s society we need more and more voices like both of yours!

I appreciate both of you shedding light on this book. Never heard of it. I became a believer 6 years ago. I do have a comment re divorce … my husband left and I went thru a brutal divorce , we have 2 children… I am standing for my marriage , really for my husbands salvation. So I do believe most ppl divorce and move on but stay in continuing bondage bc we serve God. ( Not ourselves I enjoy to listen to you both bc I can relate after being in the world for most of my life thankful to be free and walking out the sanctification process

Thankful for you gals and the work you both are doing as to point to the Gospel, as well as how to view circumstances through a Biblical lens 💜! -Mer PS. Sharing this… 🙏🏼

Wonderful! Thank you, ladies.

So much sense here, ladies!!! Thank you so much ❤

Such a great podcast. My favorite part is how clearly Alisa presented the Gospel 3/4 of the way through. You have so many people with questions about Christianity watching you both. I know it wasn't directly about this podcast topic, but that Gospel presentation has power. Thank you. ❤

Two of my favorites in the same place 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Way to go, ladies. Keep speaking truth.

27:27 - not only with spouses, but if your children do the same - come out, etc. - parents aren't allowed to not be ok with it, despite being completely crushed.

Thank you ladies so much for your steadfast pursuit of discernment, grace, and biblical love ❤️. I really admire your wisdom. This was a great discussion!

Thanks for introducing us to Alisa, she's brilliant. And the two of you make a great team.

wonderful and balanced conversation ladies! love the emphasis on discernment and Jesus or us taking on God's wrath. I loved this talk, thank you!

I love you both; what a treat!

Love love love this conversation ladies! Preach sisters!

Rachel Hollis posted that she was reading this book around the time she announced her divorce

Great video Melissa, God bless you sister. 🙏🏾❤️

The ending was so so good!! It took me a few days to watch the video in full but I’m glad I did! So much wisdom at the end

I really appreciated the points at the end about praying for these teachers. Listening to some ministries while they call out false teachings and problematic worldviews can foster apathy for those individuals if not careful (at least for me). Making a point to pray for these individuals is key to biblically loving them and for softness of heart. ❤️

The enemy is the same today as he was in the garden. Ear tickling recipes for disaster.

The only book I read is the Bible! Never did me wrong! Nice to see 2 of my fav ladies on KZfaq! God bless!❤️🙏🏼✝️

Thank you for this wonderful interactive book review. I honestly had not even heard of this book and am not committed to reading it but wanted to thank you for emphasizing the importance of praying for these writers/teachers and their loved ones. God is faithful! God bless you ladies!

Bless you two for having the courage to speak the truth. 🙏

When you said it is recommended by Oprah I knew immediately this would not be something that would appeal to me. She has been lost a long time.

You two ladies ROAR! As Some1Special said, if Oprah approves, RUN. That was some good preaching Miss Alisa. I really enjoy when the two of you get together. Thank you.

Thank you for helping us stay safe and to recognize dangerous teachings. I appreciate your ministry.

Fantastic discussion Melissa and Alisa. Thank you for your passion.

Praise the Lord that this came just in time!