Tying the Hedden Knot and Hand Ascender

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JRB Tree Climbing and Saddle Hunting

Жыл бұрын

Knot tying demonstration of the Hedden Knot, a Friction Hitch, constructed with a Prusik Loop, similar to the Prusik Knot, Klemheist , Autoblock and the Bachman. In conjunction with the use of a Bull Hitch and a Longhorn Hitch, a reliable (non-mechanical) hand ascender (rope grab) can be formed. It is particularly useful as a backup for a mechanical ascender.
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@mikefinch5624 Жыл бұрын

That Hedden knot is basically the overhand knot of friction hitches. It's a real no brainer. Thx for bringing it to my/our attention. So many practical uses. Throwing in the bull hitch at the beginning of the Hedden is just the kind of innovation I've come to expect from you. Great stuff! 👍

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that Mike. There are so many friction hitches that were here before me, and I have tried to check them all out... and for whatever reason, the Hedden appears to lack the appropriate amount of recognition. Its super useful. My next video will show how to use one in a practical application, and use in conjunction with a JRB Ascender. Thx for your comment and support.

@user-xs1yx9tc9m 15 күн бұрын

Hedden. I can remember that one. Easy to do. Good ! Adrian; UK/England

@sparkybigtime1353 Жыл бұрын

I love this video! I spent hours watching videos that kept telling me to buy expensive brand name hand ascenders, only to watch this and realize they were all a waste of time. I've now tied your version on my climbing rope for my morning climb

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Sparky, thanks for the comment. Be aware that the idea of putting a compactly tied Longhorn under any 2 strand friction hitch will turn it into a Hand Ascender. For example, I stuck it under the Agile Hitch also. I recommend trying both the Hedden and the Agile Hitch as a Hand Ascender and pls let me know which one you like best. Cheers

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLthnKpqrtObd5c.html Link to Agile Hitch

@lancerudy6584 Жыл бұрын

Great video

@kevinkerr2876 Жыл бұрын

John simply amazing,, you forgot more about these knots than most ppl know, certainly myself!!! Love the VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEOS,, keep up the great work,, your helping a lot of us💪💪💪

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate that. I often will see knot tying videos where the presenter states that they have never actually used it. That's basically just saying: i have nothing you cant learn from someone more knowledgeable. On the other hand, I am tying and using knots today that you won't see for another year or more. And although there is no perfect time to do a video, when I do, you'll get all i know. Cheers.

@kevinkerr2876 Жыл бұрын

@@jrbtc YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF,, CANT BEAT A MAN @ HIS OWN GAME,, HAPPY 2023

@nathanwilson3185 10 ай бұрын

Thank you jrb, always bringing great concepts to make rope travel more efficient, ergonomic, and specialized. I was interested in the webbing being used.

@jrbtc 10 ай бұрын

Thank you sincerely. That's a Sterling 11/16" sling that I got at RockNArbor. Also, I have done quite a bit of climbing on friction hitches constructed out of web slings, particularly the Bachman. It's a criminally smooth hitch, however, in wet conditions, i found it more prone to creep than cordage. When in doubt, add a wrap. Here's the link... and use the JRB10 coupon code for 10% off all your purchases: www.rocknarbor.com/product/sterling-11-16-inch-sling/

@BenyaminMentchale Жыл бұрын

A server nice knot to learn, new to me. And, a very nice improvisation with the Bull Hitch

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Excellent. There's some fun experimentation in determining the optimal tuning for it, with variables including the number of wraps, cord diameter, and the load we are going to apply. Feel free to use the Longhorn under basically any friction hitch, and you can create a self tending rope grab.

@jhuntley575 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the knowledge John. I hope you had a good New-years.

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

U2 brother. Appreciate the support.

@paulcrave3112 Жыл бұрын

Awesome John.

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Thx Paul!

@johnhass1084 Жыл бұрын

Nice assender

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

As I am watching my own video for the first time, the Hedden tied in webbing was tied with 4 wraps, not 3. My excuse is that I was too distracted trying to stay in the field of view while self filming that I forgot how to count!!

@HuckFTW Жыл бұрын

Was just about to ask this! I spent a few minutes watching back and counting and comparing to the rope version. At least you were consistent, it was tied with 4 wraps before the video started also!

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

@@HuckFTW i truly do my best but failed to catch that when i played it back for editing... and if ya noticed, it was one continuous take, and so my only edits were captions.

@HuckFTW Жыл бұрын

@@jrbtc yeah I’m always impressed you do all your videos in 1 take. Very impressive to stay on track that long and deliver that much information in a smooth, coherent way. Not to mention all the difficulties that come along with making sure the camera sees everything. It’s a sign of mastering your craft, for sure. Well done again, as always.

@doncook3584 Жыл бұрын

No worries you’re meticulous in everything you do. That and using cordage vs metal is what brings me to the channel.

@PhilEvansOnline Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. 👍

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Thx. Happy to share.

@jeffwshann Жыл бұрын

Hey John thanks again for this and your other videos. They have been very informative and you teach it so well. This is where I learned the Hedden so wanted to share this here. I’m still learning what works best and for the rope and hitch cord I happen to be using (1/2 static with 7mm both stiff) I have been most comfortable using Hedden with 3 wraps. What I have recently found is that instead of bringing ends through loop at bottom I give an extra wrap and bring loop through the bottom wrap and then I put my ends through. Doing so it definitely grabs quicker and better and seems to release better as well. With good rope and cord this may be too much but for what I have this has so far worked really well. I don’t have much cord to work with yet so haven’t had the opportunity to do much more than a simple hitch but look forward to doing so soon. Thanks again, you’re shared knowledge has been much appreciated.

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Jeff, that sounds remarkably similar to something I have been using. I even posted a photo of it on some forums recently to try to assess if it's a named knot. Do me a favor pls: take a photo of it and send it to me. If you're in my JRB Tree Climbing Facebook group, you can post it there. Otherwise, leave me a comment on my website and I will reply by email.

@rosy-rho Жыл бұрын

This is the first time I’ve ever seen the Hedden knot! I was taught at the alpine club that klemheist tied “upside down” is weaker and dangerous. Yes, my background is climbing. Happy to be wrong and wold love to see some tests, doEd anyone know of any slipping/breaking tests? I’m gonna bounce around on Hedden knots next time I get the chance.

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

I never heard that but would agree if it doesn't have enough wraps. But with 3 wraps, it's better described as a one directional Prussik. I like it as a backup. But on a non mechanical climb, i prefer my 523 JRB Ascender in soft bridge mode as my primary connection.

@HA-bh1wh Жыл бұрын

John first off , Thanks for all your work. I used the Running JRB Hitch exclusively this past hunting season , it is now my go to system . I would like to incorporate the Hedden Ascender knot tied with webbing , quick question. What length webbing loop would you recommend ?

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

As I described the "Ascender ", it was built with a length of cord because incorporated both a Hedden and a Longhorn Hitch. I have not attempted one with webbing. I am not saying it can't be done, but you would need to use a length, not a loop of webbing. My sewn loops (runners) are all 60cm or 24in. That's what's used in the video. An 18in would likely be ideal and compact.

@ongridself-reliantfamily1751 Жыл бұрын

I have seen this referred to as a Bachman hitch, and I have even seen it claimed that it will hold on wire rope. Have you tried this knot on wire rope or other cordage smaller in diameter than the hitch cord? Did it hold? I would love to know if that works or not. Thanks for the great video.

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Thx for your comment and support. I am very familiar with the Bachmann friction hitch and am 100% certain that this is not the Bachmann. The Bachmann integrates a carabiner inside the friction hitch, allowing it to move VERY freely when unloaded but very difficult to break under load. It can be tied with webbing or cordage onto a rope of larger diameter. Unlike most friction hitches which work best with a cord approximately 75% of the rope diameter, Bachmann is typically better even smaller, like 50-60% of the rope diameter. As per your question about wire rope, I have never tried anything like that. I have a small length here in my lab and i just tied a Hedden using 4mm Nylon cord onto a Wire cable of 6mm and not surprisingly, it seems to hold. However, my guess is that wire rope would chew thru the cord very quickly. If you meant using wire cable on wire rope, then my guess is that the cable simply won't bend enough to form a Hedden but if you use a thick bodied carabiner which has a diameter greater than the wire rope, well, i suppose a Bachmann might hold. I don't have the materials to test it and would not recommend it for any kind of life safety application.

@ricksilver7398 Жыл бұрын

First time viewing and found it interesting. I know the prusik and clemhist for tarps, but nothing for climbing

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

There are many... but check out the Playlist for the JRB Ascender Hitch. It's complex to tie but does things that I didn't think were possible.

@eszekiistvan7953 Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍👍

@verticalfeel 2 ай бұрын

Hi John, I posted another comment in your hedden test video, we can transform this hitch to be workable under load , two ways I found at least I couldn't test them yet but I'm sure it is possible 👍

@jrbtc 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate your comment and passion. Experimenting with these hitches is fun! I have also devised variations of this and other hitches to improve performance, but have chosen not to publish them if I am not happy with their performance. With Hedden, and variations which route the bulk of the load to the TOP of the helix, the most difficult test to pass is this: execute an SRT climb on a single hitch, and demonstrate the ability to break the hitch under load in order to transition into rappel. Be aware that the hitch can be in a different state after experiencing the cyclic loading of a 25ft climb than it is without the climb. In summary, I prefer Hedden as a backup not a primary point of connection. Because in an emergency scenario, we can always get our Hedden broken using the techniques demonstrated in the video: Self Rescue After Loss of Footing m

@johnhass1084 Жыл бұрын

Would you use a EDK instead of hunters bend?

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

1. I am assuming this is a general question, not related to this video specifically. 2. For anyone reading this who is unfamiliar with the acronym, EDK stands for European Death Knot, a poor name for the Flat Overhand Bend. My opinion on the Flat Overhand Bend is that I don't recommend it for applications where the two strands are being pulled in opposite directions, which is typical with a Bend. However, if we are joining two lengths of cord at a point where they bend over another object like a carabiner, and we want to get it nice and tight, I am okay with the use of this bend. I do use it, and I typically back it up with a 2nd double Overhand.

@barrettadams5451 Жыл бұрын

I am a rope rescue technician and am looking into ascent/descent devices. I will be using this in a srt configuration this week as I climb with a foot and knee ascender. Another climber I work with just purchased a rope wrench to aid in the time it takes to change over to an 8 for descent...can i descend with this hitch reliably once it's been loaded? Or will it not break once it's been loaded? Ideas? I know there must be a practical way to NOT use a device to accomplish this, but I lack the knowledge to execute. The rope wrench shares the load between the clevis hitch in the middle and the device...

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

I would not recommend this for SRT climbs in light of superior options here on the channel. I haven't done much with SRT demonstrations here on the channel but will supply two options. 1. A Double Michoacán and a Munter: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gJ6pYNudnJnXfYk.html 2. The 523 "JRB Ascender Hitch in soft bridge mode" and "single rope rappel on the munter friction hitch" . You can find those videos by a quick KZfaq search and the prefix of jrb

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

I never recommend rappel with friction supplied by a friction hitch. It's only a backup on rappel. Use a Munter, Figure 8, ATC, Rappel Ring etc. Instead

@stevenlcotney5577 Жыл бұрын

Is this a possible JRB Ascender hitch variant?

@jrbtc Жыл бұрын

Hi Steve. We could use potentially any friction hitch to ascend a rope. There are some painful (to watch) videos of climbing on two Prusiks. But for us, we are simply adding tools to our toolbox so that we can use them in conjunction to accomplish greater things. One of the next videos will use all of a Hedden, JRBAH and a Longhorn in one assembly and I want y'all to have all of those in your toolbox. And no, i wouldn't recommend using this in place of JRBAH for our primary point of connection.

@outdoorsman9384 6 ай бұрын

Cant i go back down tree with the hedden knot

@jrbtc 6 ай бұрын

It can't be broken under load. So if you don't have something under your feet, you risk getting stuck there. See my video on Self Rescue After Loss of Footing. I showed it on a Distel, but it's the same situation with a Hedden.