Its not over modelled - That is a completely unsurprising result. Type 45 is a purpose built Anti-Aircraft, fleet defence ship, designed specifically to operate in a saturation attack environment, based on lessons learned from the falklands conflict and the type 42's inability to cope with swarm attacks. Totally realistic
@jyralnadreth4442 Жыл бұрын
The Type 42 in that conflict was hamstrung with a 1950s era Radar that was used on the County Class Destroyer. No Moving target indicator, very poor low level detection performance and to make it worse the Argentines knew about these problems as they had 2 Type 42s themselves.
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
@@jyralnadreth4442 Which is why, with a new radar, Type 42 was shooting down cruise missiles with exactly the same missiles it had during the Falklands! Radar IS The Key was the lesson.
@SpartasEdge Жыл бұрын
Exactly John. You don't want to be an air unit going against a Type 45. The Type 45 is arguably the best and strongest anti-air vessel in the world; it's it's primary role; it's radar and anti-air capabilities, are frankly phenomenal.
@jamesbartlett5640 Жыл бұрын
Don’t they say that five Type 42 equals one Type 45?
@jyralnadreth4442 Жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat Exactly....HMS Exeter was equipped with the Type 1022 Radar and was a nasty surprise for the Argentine Air Force as they tried the same tactics with her as the other Type 42's present.....Exeter nailed 2 A4 Skyhawks and a Lear Jet and claimed a possible Exocet on May 30th 1982
@DWillis7 Жыл бұрын
I expected nothing less than exactly what happened. Type 45 is far more capable than people realise. Not over-modelled in any way.
@Davros-vi4qg Жыл бұрын
Spoiler: we may have found out why USN Carrier Bosses like having a Type45 in the defensive mix 😮
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Not really - Type 45 has probably got the best RADAR but that's about it. Too many missing capabilities, it's very vulnerable. So we'll be able to see with absolute precision what's about to sink us - rule Britannia... I suspect the enemy wouldn't conveniently sit in a holding pattern in the perfect performance envelope of your limited anti air missiles but not in a pattern that would enable them to launch an attack themselves! Late flight Arleigh Burkes are in a different league to Type 45 in all-round capabilities - they shouldn't be - it's a matter of funding. When we dropped Type 45 from 12 to 6 hulls - they promised it meant they would be fully equipped - better to have 6 fully armed destroyers than 12 skeleton ships they said - they lied. We've got 6 skeleton ships - none of which would last an hour in combat against a determined enemy.
@mrfrisky6501 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee when did you serve in the Navey lad?
@dogekoko9865 Жыл бұрын
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
@MrWorldwide00 Жыл бұрын
@@mrfrisky6501 I'm pretty sure you mean Navy? And having Navy service means nothing. You don't have to be a former sailor to be well versed on hardware and the politics behind such things...
@mrfrisky6501 Жыл бұрын
@@MrWorldwide00 predictive toxt kid - so what tec giant do you work for son?
@robertnemeth6248 Жыл бұрын
T45 would be able to engage all 17 targets at once. There are various figures on how many targets can be engages at once but 32 is a generally accepted figure. However ASTER missiles have their own guidance radars so do not need ship guidance. So theoretically the ship should be able to shoot all its missiles at at targets until it runs out. Once 24 Sea Ceptor are added these will be integrated too, The upgrade will have 24 Sea Ceptor and 48 ASTER 30 block 1 and then 1NT.
@dogekoko9865 Жыл бұрын
you know the british goverment admitted to the type 45 sucking
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Type 45 could engage way more than 32 targets simultaneously if it had the missile to do so.
@dogekoko9865 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee yes the radar can but the aa missles are ass
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
@@dogekoko9865 ASTER 15s are amongst the most capable medium range anti-air missiles in the world - but they are no good at point blank range.
@dogekoko9865 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee thats what i am saying i am not a russian fan but russian supersonics close the gap before it locks on
@99IronDuke Жыл бұрын
That was actually pretty accurate from what I know about the type 45 and yes, the 4.5inch gun can engage fast jet targets.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Sort of - the 4.5incher can be aimed with loose guidance from SAMPSON - ie point at general threats - but it's NOT actually RADAR guided (slaved) with proper predictive aiming - that project was cancelled by Cameron's mob. A criminal act because it would have increased the effectiveness of Type 45 for peanuts (also providing cheap inch-perfect land bombardment capabilities) - particularly as the VLS missiles are not replenishable at sea - so swarm attacks with low value aircraft or drones would soon run Type 45 out of missiles. The sort of target that the main gun SHOULD be able to engage in this day and age given the world class RADAR and compute power onboard Type 45 but cannot. Penny pinching will end up with sunk 45s and dead sailors - we learned nothing from the Falklands.
@simonestridge6096 Жыл бұрын
There are rumours that a 4.5 inch shell destroyed an ASM in the Falklands war
@henricomonterosa4534 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee Interesting point, indeed especially seeing the current developments in Ukraine that looks really stupid. A military expert should have seen that coming from miles away. Reminds me of our brilliant idea to cut our military spending so hard we had to retire our Gepards...
@Sirmartini321 Жыл бұрын
That wld never happen.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
@@simonestridge6096 Yes the arguments still rages whether HMS Avenger took down the Exocet with her gun or not! In theory it's more than possible, early generation sea skimmers have very predicable flight profiles.
@spinmaster4348 Жыл бұрын
The radar is called s-1850m and it is a 3d L-Band aesa radar that is capable of tracking at ranges up to 2000km when used in a ballistic defense role. 6:40
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
thx
@garymyers6638 Жыл бұрын
Rumble is mostly loaded up with right wing nut jobs posting crazy ass shit because Rumbl doesn’t practice any kind of standards monitoring. I really really really have a hard time with right wing nut balls,… especially the ones that post crazy ass shit.
@Medieval_Arpad_cooks Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers That's the big flat panel that he is talking about. The one on te mast top is an AESA S-Band that does target designation and mid course updates. Missile radar seekers are active as mentioned above. The things on the sides of the mast are satcom.
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
@@Medieval_Arpad_cooks SAMPSON (the big ball) does actually perform mid course guidance, the active seekers on Aster are for terminal guidance.
@tollietime Жыл бұрын
As designed, to swat swarms of dumbasses getting too close. Props to the crew of the Duncan for staying so calm and professional.
@DavidWilliams-ig5ec Жыл бұрын
Amen.
@Sirmartini321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you... I was on the ship during this 😅
@Oxley016 Жыл бұрын
@@Sirmartini321 well done the Duncan!
@paulgray5513 Жыл бұрын
What you have just found out is that the Type 45 destroyer us the best air defence destroyer of any nation. This is not over modelled this is what they were designed to do. The Sampson radar is designed to track over 200 targets and then prioritise the threat and select the appropriate system to kill the threat. They can engage between 20 and 30 targets at once. All of this came from analysing the naval aspects of the falklands war. The Arliegh burke is probably the best allround destroyer currently in service, but as someone pointed out the US task forces love having type 45’s along for air defence as simply nothing can touch them. They have now had an upgrade which makes them even more deadly. Generally just stay out if there envelope.
@godalmighty83 Жыл бұрын
Sampson can track upto 1000 targets, the size of cricket balls travelling at 'over mach 3', upto 400km away, and control 16 interceptors onto threats simultaneously. Although the rumour has always been that tracking targets at ~mach 4.5 is well within capability. Beast of a radar, but hilariously expensive, played a significant part in half the T45's being cancelled. And yes, the main gun does have an Anit-aircraft mode, and can engage air targets at upto 20km out, but hits at that range are pretty damn unlikely.
@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын
Nowadays while main guns can attempt to directly intercept an air target their main role is they create a wall of flak along the targets flightpath by rapidly firing multiple rounds at different angles with varied fuse timers. The hostile missile/aircraft then has to fly through the flak wall thats gradually descending through the air with their own speed working against them by magnifying the damage they suffer from impacts.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
Unless you have served as a PWO on a D class, you don't have the slightest idea of the true capability of the 1045 and 1046 radar sets. You make yourself look silly by pretending that you do. The reduction in procurement had nothing to do with the cost of the ship, and everything to do with political interference.
@godalmighty83 Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Most of the stats in my post come from the Royal Navy website, what are rumours are clearly labelled as rumours. Unless you think that the Royal Navy are just pretending?
@matthewellisor5835 Жыл бұрын
Once again, the GRs propriety, judicious discretion in unencrypted transmission and perfection of professionalism are in keeping with the highest traditions of the squadron, the simulator and in service to their valued viewers.
@Marri-Tech Жыл бұрын
The ability for the type 45 to be actively tracking each jet from takeoff before engagement would allow them to get rockets off probably as quick or quicker then they did in the simulator
@mooglefourteena Жыл бұрын
Missiles not rockets! Don't mean to be pedantic but since it's a simulation I'll correct with what I know. Asters have a guidance system hence are missiles not rockets.
@Marri-Tech Жыл бұрын
@@mooglefourteena Correct... But also pedantic 🤣
@EnglishScripter9 ай бұрын
Its not a minor detail at all, a military with missiles, could flatten a military with rockets.@@Marri-Tech
@danhodson7187 Жыл бұрын
I had our lovely ship down for a resounding win and she didn't disappoint. Awesome!
@SNOWDONTRYFAN Жыл бұрын
Even before the Duncan picked up those aircraft , one would normally expect NATO EW assets in the region to have marked the pilots the moment they broke wind climbing into their relics , in the meanwhile NATO thanks the Russians for providing the best realistic training for its warships
@tacticaldelusion Жыл бұрын
You took on one of the most advanced destroyers in the world with 17 4th gen aircraft, you can't say you're surprised at this.
@MoistGrundle Жыл бұрын
The bonus footage was worth every bit of time. I'm pretty sure even the Brits on board would have to be impressed enough to put their tea cups down momentarily for a "good show" or two. Then promptly swat them out of the air lol.
@jonathanwigmore2323 Жыл бұрын
Type 45 doing what it was designed to do! The Achilles heel of a 45 has always been the lack of missiles. Adding x24 Sea Ceptors into the mix will really help longevity in a fight 💪💪
@evelynroadmedia9415 Жыл бұрын
I have heard that the type 45 is more of a convoy vessel, so the lack of missile is not that dreadful, considering you more than likely have an astute with a number of its own sea to air missiles nearby.
@dogekoko9865 Жыл бұрын
the uk admited to the thype 45 sucking
@jamiegray6931 Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 It pretty much is. UK naval doctrine is T23 ASW, T45 AAW, and Astute for ASW, all defending the expeditionary force of the QE or the Litoral strike group. They operate alone a lot of the time because they can all be general purpose to an extent. But if the RN sends a sole T45 into a warfighting scenario it's unlikely to go well.
@leeowen4989 Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 The Astute class doesn't have sea to air capability (at least not publicly disclosed) It's purpose is to deal with surface/sub-surface and land targets.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@evelynroadmedia9415 If you really want to understand the NATO doctrine, have a look at the constitution of the various CSGs.
@michaelwheatley8394 Жыл бұрын
(1) The Sylver VLS (as used on the T45) is listed has having a much higher rate of fire than the Mk-41. Better missile eflux handling systems. But this is per 8-cell module, so I'm not sure how relevant this is in practice. (2) The old SM-2 required missle directors, one per target but up to 2 missles per target. The Arleigh Burks have 3 of these AN/SPG-62 fire-control radars. The new SM-6, and Aster, uses datalinks (like Meteor) and the Sampson radar can track 1000 targets. In the case of warships, this is specifically to handle swarms of aircraft. (3) Apparently the probability-kill p(k) for one Aster is (at least a bit) better than the P(k) for a pair of SM-2's, at least when the Aster was first designed, so they fire one per target, rather than a pair per target.
@munchingfoo Жыл бұрын
The suitcase shaped things on the flat roof behind the main radar are HF radio antennas designed to go straight up and bounce off the atmosphere. They enable radio comms behind mountain ranges that would otherwise be radio blind spots.
@user-bm3ji3hw9y Жыл бұрын
8:04 WOW that's some impressive flying Mr.Sock!
@mixit2413 Жыл бұрын
4 years ago when the Ducan was swarmed by the Russian's the daughter of our parts manager was on that Destroyer on that tour and they were not worried (well they were worried but I mean they weren't worried about the ship capabilities) they had all the planes targeted and locked. If it had gone hot all the planes would have been dead,
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
Kind of like how it actually played out. ;-)
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
No they would not as the planes were too close - ASTER 15 won't hit s--t at under 1.8 miles at low altitude - a fantastic missile one it gets a track but the minimum engagement profile is a real problem. Type 45 desperately needs Sea Ceptor if it doesn't want to join Moskva in the black sea.
@Bob10009 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee it is getting it 😉😎
@danielmichaels1505 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLeeAll Type 45s will be equipped with an additional 24 CAMM tubes by 2032, Good upgrade but couldn’t come soon enough
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee To be fair a fighter isn't going to fire antiship missiles from 1 mile away either. Once they got in that close it was obvious they were buzzing the ship. The ship could probably shoot them with CIWS at that range.
@emfournet Жыл бұрын
The scream at 14:58 is absolute comedy gold. *chef's kiss
@Roni-kg1sw Жыл бұрын
Well it is a highly specialised anti air warfare destroyer designed from the ground up for this sort of situation so it’s not really over modelled
@danielmichaels1505 Жыл бұрын
In the next couple years Type 45 will start to get an additional 24 tubes for CAMM increasing the firepower on these beautiful ships, It’s just a shame money constraints ruled out more SYLVER VLSs
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Жыл бұрын
Should have 100 missile minimum along with anti sub and real offensive anti ship missiles. It's a ship that would have been brilliant in the Falklands but not great in 2023. The fault lies with corrupt peado government scumbags cutting costs
@adamtheninjasmith2985 Жыл бұрын
I think this one went off really well guys. The type 45 would have been on alert and tracking everything before the engagement which would make sense as to why it was firing so quickly. They already had the targets all they had to do was push the button so to speak.
@clangerbasher Жыл бұрын
Sampson is freakin' awesome as a radar. The war in the Donbas has been going on since 2014.
@stephencollins9062 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Obama installed zelinsky exactly for this purpose,why do you think they pulled out of Afghanistan so quickly? They knew they had another war right around the corner,
@clangerbasher Жыл бұрын
@@stephencollins9062 Nothing happens in a vacuum. Yes Obama is a big player in this sorry affair.
@InsanityorNothing2 ай бұрын
That went exactly how I thought. Duncan is doing exactly what it was made for.
@Fred-eg9sx Жыл бұрын
the Chinese type 055 is a much larger vessel than the Type 45. For reference, the type 055 is bigger than a Tico.
@JinghisKhan Жыл бұрын
Exactly. A Type 45 vs a Type 052D is a even fight. Type 055 is another weight class.
@soccernflying5709 Жыл бұрын
Life isn’t always gum drops and unicorns. My day starts with making coffee then coming to the Grim Reaper‘s channel, seeking a hit of validation. It lifts me up to hear I am valued. Not joking. You guys are seriously a spark of joy in my life. I really enjoy binging the channel and getting to know you all. In some weird sense it feels like family. Thank you. Cheers! ❤
@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын
Agreed!…love hearing “Hope you are all doing wonderfully well” 😊😊
@chrisstopher2277 Жыл бұрын
my brother from another mother.
@RedTSquared Жыл бұрын
Wow, I did not expect that! Love the Bonus Footage at the end!
@Carvetii Жыл бұрын
That scenario against the Chinese destroyers didn't take into account That Royal Navy sailors would make a massive differance. I highly doubt the Chinese are anywhere near competant as the Royal Navy
@jyralnadreth4442 Жыл бұрын
The Sampson Radar spikey ball (Type 1045) is AESA and the S1850M (Type 1046) the rectangular one is 3D and is a AESA...the Type 45 has 2 AESA radars
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
thx
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
Incorrect - how many aerials does the 1045 have ?
@torn.blue.sky1016 ай бұрын
"Clear to engage".... "Okaaayyyy...so. Ice cream then?"
@Hill_Walker Жыл бұрын
In terms of EMPing them with radar, it's probably not about frying yourself much as it's directional. It's more likely the 1/r² element of RF which makes it less effective.
@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын
Modern ship and aircraft radars have an attack mode where they really do try and knock out the enemy with concentrated beam strength, they also have the ability to insert hostile code into enemy systems though those functions are really really classified.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 .. so classified that you don't have the slightest idea whether or not they exist.
@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Oh I KNOW they exist :)
@thegoldeneagle9890 Жыл бұрын
Great video same thing happened with closer range to HMS Defender ships from the Russian coastguard firing but out of range but they still had to get fireproof gear out because of the threat
@Davros-vi4qg Жыл бұрын
GR did that video as well a bit back 😀
@thegoldeneagle9890 Жыл бұрын
@@Davros-vi4qg well a breakdown when it happened I have watched since the long range was a phoenix missile from an f14 and the reapers blowing up star destroyers
@mecampbell30 Жыл бұрын
Both large spiny radars are 3D AESA radars (although the L band antenna has weaker elevation resolution). The black flat panel Thales radar just operates at a lower frequency (requires a larger antenna, has greater range but less resolution). The round Sampson radar operates at a higher frequency, has better resolution all around and is much better at picking out close low flying threats. The 2D radars are the small ones that are used for marine navigation the side of the mast.
@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын
The S1850 has a range upto 2000km and is the main volume air search radar while the Sampson radar has a range of 400km and is used for fire control.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
thx
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@watcherzero5256 Sampson is multi-function.
@EdGeyy Жыл бұрын
Interesting video and fun to watch. One point to note is that Duncan would fire salvos against inbound Mx. 2-3 Aster minimum against a smart munition, so that brings the saturation side of things further into focus.
@MostlyPennyCat Жыл бұрын
Says who? Aster is a hit to kill munition, you're only supposed to shoot one at each target because they don't miss. That was the whole point, not needing to salvo.
@EdGeyy Жыл бұрын
@@MostlyPennyCat Respectfully - I'm pretty well qualified to say what I said.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@EdGeyy If you were, you wouldn't be here.
@EdGeyy Жыл бұрын
@@hb1338 Right, because fanciful wartime scenarios are reserved for the unemployed. I'm here for entertainment, just like you.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
ASTERS were designed with the philosophy to hit what they are fired at - they are expected to be 1 missile 1 kill missiles. You do not fire salvos of ASTERs - that's why Type 45 only has 48 cells. - each missile is supposed to count.
@sensibledriver933 Жыл бұрын
The 45 desperately needs the additional mk41 and the Martletts on the auto cannon mounts.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
And Sea Ceptor - and DS30M fitted to all ships - not just Duncan. When we dropped from 12 to 8 then 6 hulls the promise was to fully equip the ships - lies as usual!
@timbaskett6299 Жыл бұрын
I like the Su-24 "Fencer" mainly because it's an "Aardvark-ski". The Russian near equivalent of the F-111. Does this mean the Duncan is a "Flanker Spanker"?
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Apparently so...
@ktwei Жыл бұрын
Well a Type 45 is the only thing that could kill James Bond.
@Utubesuperstar Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 faxts
@the_beef4762 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always :) These types are my favs.
@Jack0Young Жыл бұрын
It seems very accurate for public information of the ship. It was designed to be purely anti aircraft and to be sailing in a fleet with different specialisms. This doesn't surprise me at all. Brits learnt a lot in the Falklands.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
We learned nothing from the Falklands we still have under-funded air defence destroyers with half their intended systems missing.
@Jack0Young Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee Unfortunately, it will take another conflict, like the Falklands, to remind our government of the importance of the Royal Navy. (Remember, hey were about to sell off one of our carriers when they were invaded)
@aaronstreeval3910 Жыл бұрын
I really hope they will model the Admiral grigorovich frigates. It would be awesome for y’all to do these Black Sea war games. With the best ships remaining in the Black Sea
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Can DCS model drunken poorly trained sailors and half the systems broken from lack of maintenance? Of course even with those failings the Grigorovich frigates would still defeat Type 45 which currently has no anti-ship capability outside sending Torpedo armed Lynxes off to be shot down. Removing Harpoon before NSM was available was a criminal act of negligence - as was delaying the fitment of Sea Ceptor.
@stephencollins9062 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee disgusting appraisal of Russian people.
@steviet9452 Жыл бұрын
While stationed at port Stanley the type 45 can paint targets setting off from Buenos Aires! The argies hate it as their ews just screeches at them as soon as their airborne!
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
There are no Argentinian combat aircraft based anywhere near Buenos Aires.
@craiggillham1439 ай бұрын
Your trip around the sensors suit of a 45 was waaaaay off 😂
@iseriver3982 Жыл бұрын
Did you hear about the British bulldog that killed a bear? Bear choked on it. ☺️
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
oof
@Davros-vi4qg Жыл бұрын
Was chatting about this just yesterday. Interesting times for all!
@ThinBlueLineGuardian Жыл бұрын
14:58 is my favorite part
@xenaguy01 Жыл бұрын
I never, never, never expected that result!
@Oxley016 Жыл бұрын
I did, that is what the 45s are designed to do.
@TheAmbex Жыл бұрын
My first GR video was the Kerch Bridge attack. Been here ever since.
@sih1095 Жыл бұрын
I well remember shooting a media piece on HMS Daring many years ago, they showed us a video of the CIWS in operation tracing out letters. But they wouldn't let us use it..
@joeds3775 Жыл бұрын
Wonder why.... Some one spelling out fuck Boris....
@Istandby666 Жыл бұрын
I'm sadden by Cap....he forgot to mention the biggest wrestler back then.... Andre the Giant.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Andre! And Animal and Hawk, and the Natural DIsasters.
@thereverant5203 Жыл бұрын
I definitely did not see this coming. Aster 30, best Aster!
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Apparently so.
@jamesscalzo3033 Жыл бұрын
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The British Type 45's are quite Interesting as well as the Type 22 Frigates. It would be Interesting to see how a Multinational Force with a Ticonderoga-class Cruiser, A Few Flight I and Flight IIA (Technology Insertion) Arleigh Burke-class Destroyers, 1 or 2 Type 45 Destroyers, 3 or 4 Type 22 Frigates, a Nimitz-class or Gerald R. Ford-class Aircraft Carrier, a Queen Elizabeth-class Aircraft Carrier and The French Aircraft Carrier Charles De Gaule were to Grab the Unexpected Attention of 2 Krivak-class Frigates, 2 Neustrashimy-class Frigates, 3 Admiral Gregorovich-class Frigates, 6 Grisha-class Corvettes, 1 Tarantul-class Corvette, 1 Bora-class Corvette, 4 Buyan-M Corvettes, 3 K-300P Batteries, 12 Su-24 Fencer's, 18 Su-27 Flanker's and 8 Mig-25 Foxbat's. I know this is a Tall Order given that you've got the Current Entirety of the Russian Black Sea Fleet with Their Top Notch Aircraft and Anti-Ship Missile Batteries in support going against the American, British and Some French Forces in the Area but it should be quite the Fireworks Display nonetheless. Can't wait to see how things go and I'll catch you in your next video!
@99IronDuke Жыл бұрын
The current Royal Navy frigate is the type 23. The Type 45 destroyers will also soon have Sea Ceptor SAM's.
@gavin1506 Жыл бұрын
Type 22''s are in Other navies e.g. Romanian. They carry 7 inch Guns. The missile systems aren't great. The type 23's also help in defence and offence.
@VimyScout Жыл бұрын
Rule Britannia 🏴 🇬🇧
@fa0676 Жыл бұрын
From someone who knows T45s, the Long Range Radar Type 1850M would have these aircraft as soon as they took off (along with satellite picture) and 1045 (Multifunction Radar) would 'paint' every one of those aircraft with a missile. One false move and the hatches open and an Aster is on it's way. I'd say at least 15 splashed on first engagement. Phalanx and MS30 will have anything else which comes near. Those Russian aircraft are seriously old. And T45s don't have NSM. They had Harpoon
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
But the Russian jets were allowed to get well within the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 at (near) sea level. Duncan was a sitting duck.
@Bob10009 Жыл бұрын
The ship is not over modelled, it was designed to do exactly that. In fact, in reality, if we were at war, those jets would have died almost as soon as they’d taken off.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's over modelled either - but - the earth isn't flat, they wouldn't be shooting aircraft down they cannot see. Realistically (unless during total war) the rules of engagement would mean Type 45 wouldn't return fire until there's actual threat (ie an ASM in the air) by that stage Duncan is dead as there would already be more ASMs than Duncan has missiles to deal with (if Russia meant it) - don't forget that 30 miles off Crimea would put Duncan in range of an unknown number of land-launched ASMs as well as the attack aircraft - there would also undoubtably be an AWACs flying giving the Russians precise targeting information. If the original Channel 5 situation happened (aircraft are well under 2 miles) Duncan is toast, ASTER 15 needs nearly 2 miles to get a solution on anything at sea skimming altitude - it has to get the initial burn phase out the way before it could get down there. But as this scenario was scripted it was perfect for Type 45 - lots of loitering targets at 3-10 miles - easy pickings for Type 45 which could simultaneously engage all of them.
@Bob10009 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee you’re right, the earth isn’t flat but none of these aircraft were flying on the ground, so, as I said “if we were at war”, type 45 can track, identify and target aircraft WAY beyond visual range and would be able to knock all of the ones in this scenario out of the sky at max range. You brought up an added AWACS for the Russians…..we have them too 😉
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
@@Bob10009 An AWACS could easily sit beyond the range of ASTER 30 and track a ship sized target - actually even a normal fighter aircraft would detect a ship beyond the range of ASTER 30. My point is modern namby pamby rules of engagement would mean the aircraft would get inside the minimum engagement profile of ASTER 15 before we'd react - too late - dead ship. Type 45 desperately needs effective point defence and we need to get on with fitting the auto-cannon to the rest of the 45s - it's only on two as far as I know - unlike Phalanx the auto-cannon has a reasonable chance of engaging something sub-sonic flying on a fairly static course before it gets close enough to do real damage on kinetic energy alone.
@Bob10009 Жыл бұрын
@@LondonSteveLee as does sea captor which will be fitted soon.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@Bob10009 The Russians are down one AWACS aircraft at the moment.
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
Nice comeback for the Type 45!! It may not be able to take on similar class ships, but it can scrub the skies of 2 flights of enemy aircraft with speed and style! Great run guys, always good to have Grumpnik back in the skies and Sock is.....Sock. Sweet paint job on that Flanker tho!
@housey4297 Жыл бұрын
We have Astutes to deal with all those lovely Chinese cruisers ;)
@godalmighty83 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that the loss to the chinese anti-ship missiles was a glitch of some sort, Sampson is more than capable of tracking them, yet the missiles simply didn't fire.
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
@@godalmighty83 As I recall, they all fired but they simply ran out: they were chucking Aster 15s and 30s at a rate at least twice the rate of the Chinese destroyers sending their own anti-missile missiles, and thus ran out first. 4-1 per vampire was simply far too great a rate of fire then was needed. Mind you this is almost certainly a DCS thing. I am sure IRL they would be more sensible and sending 2 or at MOST 3 per incoming. But hey, we're all armchair admirals in the end.
@darkendoceans1923 Жыл бұрын
14:57 when grump dogged that missile 😂
@tufftrucker40 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if the ship was over modeled but the speed that ship was dishing out aa missles and smashing Russian aircraft was impressive to say the least.
@danielmichaels1505 Жыл бұрын
From my knowledge I believe Type 45 can salvo launch/control 16 missiles at once hitting different targets
@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын
The radars unclassified figure is it can guide 16 missiles at a time (real figure higher) so launching salvoes of 8 at a time as it did in the video was actually under modelled, would probably be closer to the missile spam of the Arleigh Burke Flight III DCS model they created in real life.
@furiousscotsman2916 Жыл бұрын
Yea the British usually underplay their weapons heavily to the public. The released numbers are on avg between 25-50% worse than they actually are.
@Akm72 Жыл бұрын
@@danielmichaels1505 Just to add another number, they can launch 8 missiles in 10 seconds from the Sylver launchers.
@ivanstepanovic1327 Жыл бұрын
Russian main tactic in situations such as this is: approach the target from multiple directions (minimum 4 directions), have every plane launch at least 2 missiles so that they roughly reach the target at the same time, turn around and GTFO real fast!
@Moody0013 Жыл бұрын
🇬🇧🇬🇧please read this (not worried about you reading it out just info for you) I watched that as it happened and the way the Russians buzzed they wasn't swarming HMS Defender it was a jet every fer seconds. I honestly think that they would have lost out big time. 🇬🇧🇬🇧 I know I'm going to be biased but I genuinely think that the original jet's would have gone down. They would have sent more after and THEN we would have paid but like I said we WOULD have knocked them out the sky 👍🏻 I'd love to see it run like that. Keep up the good work guys
@Wilko601st Жыл бұрын
Im so glad this tub finally came out on top..I was dismade at the last video where it was made to look pants..Yes I had wondered why rumble was quiet..thanks for explaining amd im sorry guys I cant currently afford patreon but have and will part of my hard earned cash when ever i can. Please continue to make very entertaining videos and also get cap to repeat as many amusing sayings especailly when he has NO idea what hes agreeing too
@Markus117d Жыл бұрын
Ikr lol.. It's almost as if when you put a ship designed almost exclusively for air defence in the role it's designed for ( ie Air Defence ) it will do impressively well compared to what happens when trying to make it conduct anti ship or land attack. Who knew and could have guessed that 🤣
@kiwiviking175 Жыл бұрын
Love the outtake at the end; could watch an entire episode of you lot shooting the s*** as you arse around!
@ryand900 Жыл бұрын
Type 45 is a beast. Real life situation I read that all the jets were locked on, and in a flick of a switch missles are launched at once its a absolute machine.
@Bob1000911 күн бұрын
Why were you all so surprised about the result ? This is literally what T45 was designed for. It was clear in the real event that the captain was not worried at all by the Russians. He knew 100% that his ship could easily handle the threat if the Russians had done anything stupid. Type 45 is one of the best air defence systems there are.
@mk6315 Жыл бұрын
@13:33 Fire Control Room: “prank em lads”
@benjaminarnold2881 Жыл бұрын
For the CIWS problem: could you give it a refillable magazine with a really short reload time?
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
We can add CWIS but not actually edit it as it is a "core game" weapon.
@edwardtandy9613 Жыл бұрын
I also heard a quote from the Captain in which he stated that the EWS could drop the aircraft out of the sky, but that was a surefire way to start WW3
@mecampbell30 Жыл бұрын
A high powered radar can fry the electronics of a poorly built fighter, but it's easy enough to EM shield electronics so that's it's not an issue. It does take attention to detail though.
@Utubesuperstar Жыл бұрын
Hence it being a problem for Russia lol
@charlesandresen-reed1514 Жыл бұрын
One more coat of paint and that jet would have hit the ship lol.
@jamison884 Жыл бұрын
I think the scary part is this ship model, which did not perform the best up against the Chinese benchmark, is acturally not over-modeled. I believe aircraft in a random pattern around the ship like that just flying close by without using the advantage of long range missiles, should and will (did) get oblitrated per the video. You have a giant moving SAM site that can defend itself and has the capacity of a basically all the missile batteries you'd come across for hundreds of miles in all directions. The video doesn't even model the EW capabilities that should be far superior to any RU jet. This is what makes me excited for the future DDG(X) model. They're essentially keeping the successful Arleigh Burke model and building a new ship/design because they need an abundant amount of more physical space and power to support freakin' laser beams, crazy electronic warfare capability, and adequate room to support decades of upgrades.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
.. nor does it model anti-missile EW capability.
@AdventTannhauser Жыл бұрын
May be better if you allow the Russians to get the first shot off (and see how the Type 45 responds) and also allow some of the Russians to be BVR.
@Huxley555 Жыл бұрын
I would have loved to hear the Russian Comms, when they discovered that every one of them was locked. No wonder it didn't kick off 😂
@ANDYDT Жыл бұрын
17 Russian aircraft attacking ..... HMS Duncan " hold my tea"
@R.Instro Жыл бұрын
13:30 "Hoist up the thing! Batten down the whatsit! What's that thing spinning?? Somebody should stop it!!"
@WardenOfTerra Жыл бұрын
The American's just jealous by saying the 45 is over-modelled. He wouldn't be saying that if it was an American ship.
@bigbore4498 Жыл бұрын
Man Cap really new some of the greatest professional wrestlers. Back when wrestling was actually fun to watch. Maybe it’s just because I was a kid.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Na, it was friggin awesome back then.
@lukio12 Жыл бұрын
Are there any plans to upgrade the asters on the type 45 mod? From the US carrier group vs k300p video 1990s US missiles performed better than modern asters, which obviously is just not the case. Youre trying to make these sims more and more accurate but the type 45 as it is now is far from accurate
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
NATO want Type 45 to be converted into ICBM duties - the RADAR has already been tested and cleared for those duties. The idea is to replace ASTER 15 with Sea Ceptor and use the ASTER 15 VLS tubes for ASTER NT1 (anti ICBM/high altitude aircraft.)
@gavin1506 Жыл бұрын
Looking at the Wiki pedia entry, you are under loading the type 45. Before we argue the merits of wikipedia, it's a benchmark. there should be an extra SeaCeptor (24x) cells. This then enables the Asters to all be Aster 30's (48x).
@Akm72 Жыл бұрын
None of the ships have received the firepower upgrade yet, the first ship with the power plant upgrade has only just returned to the fleet.
@gavin1506 Жыл бұрын
@@Akm72 and the type55 has everything as well? As to upgrades... there are some with them. Considering they sail past where I live. Some have additional things on them.
@Akm72 Жыл бұрын
@@gavin1506 I just use the Royal Navy Lookout website as a source for what's going on. No doubt they are not 100% right on all things, but they let me keep more or less up to date.
@gavin1506 Жыл бұрын
@Akm72 I think my point is.. Wikipedia states its coming. The type 55 from China states its coming. So using it as the standard... just add it. As far as things go Wikipedia is full of propaganda... but if you use it for all sides it's fine.
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
@@Akm72 Incorrect.
@suecobandito8954 Жыл бұрын
Good video, Cap. No tanker or AWACS assets?
@patricktracy4371 Жыл бұрын
British Bulldog vs Russian Bear equals a pregnant bear. Total domination
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
lol
@stephenmorrish Жыл бұрын
You guys need to get on as many platforms as possible, may I suggest Utreon as an additional option.
@tbrasc0 Жыл бұрын
The Radar is called "Sampson".
@davebewshey1549 Жыл бұрын
HACKSAW JIM DUGGINS is who Chuck Norris has nightmares about lol
@jerryalbus1492 Жыл бұрын
I want to see a similar simulation, but using an Aegis-equipped destroyer
@bardslee2 ай бұрын
The longer range but 2D radar is the big one on the top. The medium range but high accuracy 3D radar is the large black one on the back. The other radars are for various other senses and systems.
@louboyle014 күн бұрын
I served for three years on HMS Dauntless. The top "ball" is the Sampson pulsed doppler Rader (it's actually two flat panels in a trapezium, with round domes on the front). The large black rader is the LRR long-range 2d radar. Also The simulation is accurate.
@louboyle014 күн бұрын
If anyone is interested the spikes on the ball are lightning conductors
@Foxtrop13 Жыл бұрын
8:05 thats some shaving stuff
@Sun-Tzu-- Жыл бұрын
Are they my golf clubs going round on top of that ship radar? Thanks again guys
@anonpers0n Жыл бұрын
i followed yal to rumble, but watching here until your not here because this works better
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Roger, guessing about 3 months until R is fully working.
@andyf4292 Жыл бұрын
hopefully the fencers are armed with Kingbolt and AS17. because thats what I always used to use in Harpoon, and looking at the numbers.... no, not enough SAMS.... dumb bombs on an antiship mission, not best plan
@paulcadden4967 Жыл бұрын
What a load of balls, the moment the Brits fired, every jet would have unloaded all their missiles at the smoking wreck that would be the 45
@MarkCanty Жыл бұрын
The Bear IS aware of the reason Bulldogs have such short noses and protruding jaws, right? ;)
@kmancometh Жыл бұрын
Eddy Wally Wow Meme always scares the sh!t out of me. lol
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
WWWOOOOOOWWWW! :)
@hwestbc Жыл бұрын
Is the 45 going to get updated at all? They’re adding 24 camm missiles, and the uk is adding the abm block 1 aster 30 that might really help against the type 55
@hb1338 Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@freddiejohames8332 Жыл бұрын
We have had salty cap, salt simba salty matrix and now we have salty damp.
@jeffwiltshire Жыл бұрын
Still wouldn't have the Ensign on the quarterdeck while at sea, entering/leaving harbour or alongside only.
@cadian122 Жыл бұрын
I really wasnt too suprised by the result ... The Russian craft were not aggresive enough in getting off as many missles as they could thou.. That being said the Type 45 is a top of the line destoyer and I would expect it to wipe out air wings ...
@Wolfe351 Жыл бұрын
the EW is the little spikes on the upper part of the main mast, the domes on either side are most likely COMMs
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
thx
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
Of course, flying around the ship like this at stand-off range WOULD end in the result we saw if Duncan was allowed to engage - all in perfect range to be simultaneously engaged by ASTER which Type 45 is perfectly capable of. You should re-run the exercise how the Russians would ACTUALLY engage Duncan if they intended to attack. Firstly 30 miles off the coat of Crimea, Russia would probably have at least a dozen land-based anti-ship missiles available to them. They’d have an AWAC up sitting beyond the range of ASTER 30 and would know the precise position of Duncan. They would launch some land-based sea skimmers and simultaneously attack low and fast with the jets precisely directed by AWAC intelligence - not hover around at 3-5 miles waiting to be picked off. Depending on aircraft type we are talking 2-4 ASMs per aircraft along with the ground launched ASMs which would soon run Duncan out of ASTER 15s and then 30s. The auto-cannon would and could probably get a couple of ASM kills - Phalanx would hit nothing until its too late to matter. If you wanted to script the perfect way of Duncan shooting everything down - you just did it! That engagement is clearly not how Russia would attack if they meant it.
@furiousscotsman2916 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha and what of the Russians demonstration so far makes you think they would be so well prepared and organised .... they had one working gun on the flagship of the black sea ffs that was sunk by a modified penguin about 20 years out of date.
@LondonSteveLee Жыл бұрын
@@furiousscotsman2916 Neptun(e) may be an old missile physically but it has absolutely state of the art AI onboard it - far more sophisticated than Harpoon for example. It's capable of understanding the defence capability of the ship it's attacking and calculates an attack profile which avoids the weapons systems most likely to engage it - like other advanced western ASMs - this is no KH-34. Also I suspect the RADARs and Comms were taken out by drone attacks before the ASM strike - something the west have yet to face and are just as vulnerable to. We should be spending billions on simple, cheap disposable anti-drone drones - not trying to recreate the ridiculous stealth programme with hideously complex unmanned aircraft.