The Plastic Feminism of Barbie

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verilybitchie

verilybitchie

9 ай бұрын

Is the new Barbie film feminist? Note: there aren't a lot of spoilers in this video essay.
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Keywords: Greta Gerwig, Margot Robbie, body image, Girl Power, Riot Grrrl, Emma Watson

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@verilybitchie
@verilybitchie 9 ай бұрын
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@dayegilharno4988
@dayegilharno4988 9 ай бұрын
This is the take I was waiting for - Great job! :)
@cinnamon9390
@cinnamon9390 9 ай бұрын
I would loooove to hear your take on The LEGO Movie, which, at least on the surface, did seem to actually criticize capitalism and copyright
@sadem1045
@sadem1045 9 ай бұрын
I'm still looking forward to seeing the movie BUT I appreciated hearing your criticisms.
@evelienheerens2879
@evelienheerens2879 9 ай бұрын
But verily, you don't understand! The body image issues the dolls give girls are part of giving them the real experience of life as a fashion model. It just makes the play more immersive!
@dayegilharno4988
@dayegilharno4988 9 ай бұрын
@@cinnamon9390 :) After decades of neoliberal devastations to the very foundations of our societies, EVERYTHING is a critique of capitalism and the rules it accommodates itself with - Even if it isn't trying to be!
@kekoakaawa8879
@kekoakaawa8879 9 ай бұрын
“Women truly can have it all….as long as they’re incredibly beautiful, of course.” That always seems to be the punchline in movies.
@ProfessorFish
@ProfessorFish 9 ай бұрын
woman can overcome struggle and inspire... as long as she beautiful - mostly everything visual in entertainment
@shesokayiguess
@shesokayiguess 9 ай бұрын
That's the punchline in real life too
@marielaberge8236
@marielaberge8236 9 ай бұрын
I mean...in the Barbie movie "having it all" just means "humanity", as in women are human beings and should be treated as such. So Barbie goes through a journey of self-discovery alongside Ken and the real-life women who are empowered once they accept themselves, imperfections and all. Stereotypical Barbie changes but Weird Barbie doesn't, and both find acceptance in themselves and from others. This fits with how Mattel is known for using its marketing campaigns as a counternarrative to the Barbie Girl song's reference to plastic surgery. Unrealistic beauty standards and body image issues are seen to afflict male and female dolls whose outlook changes thanks to people from the real world. It's not revolutionary discourse but it's fiiine ig. I went on for longer than I meant to, sorry (edited for clarity)
@Pokemaster-wg9gx
@Pokemaster-wg9gx 9 ай бұрын
@@marielaberge8236 i always wondered how people could look at a plastic doll that's inches tall, absolutely not to scale, and at no point in her absurdly fantastical life is ever portrayed as realistic, and somehow think that that's a realistic expectation placed on them
@marielaberge8236
@marielaberge8236 9 ай бұрын
​@@Pokemaster-wg9gx In fairness, the target demographic for the dolls is children so the issue people have with it is that it's skeevy that Mattel markets itself as inspirational for generations of young girls when no grown woman would ever credit a doll for setting anykind of realistic expectations.
@edeely698
@edeely698 9 ай бұрын
Its honestly mind-boggling to see all the hatred from people toward this movie dismissing it as "woke feminist propaganda" when it has such a shallow, inoffensive concept of feminism.
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 9 ай бұрын
This is why it’s not worth “reaching across the aisle” in america to a political party not interested in compromise. It will only be us compromising our morals for no reward. We need to move the window ourselves
@tlb963
@tlb963 9 ай бұрын
For me, I found it divisive when I thought they were building legitimate and meaningful threads to be more nuanced and showcase the complexities of both sexes. It also didn't help that they used a forreal slave revolt as their allegory to then put down the group that made up the slave revolt? I really liked the film otherwise, I can handle feminist beliefs, but I would have appreciated it if they had done more to play into some of the mental health issues and social stigmas around men that the patriarchy causes, as well; and it seemed like they were going to at the beginning, but they didn't pretty much at all.
@Hannah-ds7qo
@Hannah-ds7qo 9 ай бұрын
exactly... it feels the same to me as how conservatives talk about "Biden's America" like Biden has done anything to further socialism or progressivism... he's such an unremarkable politician with middle of the road stances yet they lose their minds. it's laughable
@K-Lowe
@K-Lowe 9 ай бұрын
​@derek96720 when will they learn its a problem then?💀
@Alkeeros
@Alkeeros 9 ай бұрын
It's honestly a part of the strategy. If Shapiro and other right wing nut balls can convince their audiences that the Barbie movie is "too woke" then anything more subversive or actually woke will be met with more ire.
@kingrix
@kingrix 9 ай бұрын
How refreshing to see valid, legitimate criticism of the Barbie movie that isn't coming from an anti-woke dude bro. I loved every second of this.
@elnorface
@elnorface 6 ай бұрын
Exactly. Barbie used to be criticized for setting unreasonable beauty standards and causing body image issues in young girls. And now it's being hailed as a feminist icon?! What happened to the criticism of shaving, makeup, and fashion, or the establishment's enforcement of femininity as a way to be an ideal woman? Of course, you get your dream life if you're attractive enough. I'm so glad to see a feminist critique of Barbie and not just more angry misogynists attacking it.
@EverythingLvl
@EverythingLvl 6 ай бұрын
Every feminist doesn't have to parrot the same things as others to be considered a feminist, who cares if les&ian feminists thought the most important thing was to be les&Ian's and not try to look pretty for men ever? You should read more and dismiss all of feminism less lol
@EverythingLvl
@EverythingLvl 6 ай бұрын
If the problem is you're anrgy at other women for being blessed by nature and having more than you, that's completely efed up. Feminism isn't for being angry at other women for daring to get benefits in the patriarchy, it's about tearing down the patriarchy. Don't hate the player, hate the game literally set up by MEN
@Nothermainacc
@Nothermainacc 6 ай бұрын
@@EverythingLvl that is very much not what feminism is about. More Butler, less Barbie.
@TheAmazingSpiderPunk
@TheAmazingSpiderPunk 5 ай бұрын
@@EverythingLvl Why are you singling out lesbian feminists specifically? Speaking as a lesbian woman, we might not try to look pretty for men, but we still can be highly femme and try to look pretty for both ourselves and for other women. i doubt anyone thinks that not shaving or wearing makeup is the most important thing.* Nor would any lesbian feminist blame or be angry at other women for how they look? I'm a feminist and all of my exes, friends, and current partner are, too. Ain't none of us ascribe to that as being what feminism is. That's a really weird strawwoman of what the "anti-SJW" crowd think feminism is. *As an addendum, any lesbian who is very vocal about how these things are emblematic of a patriarchal society and an important issue are NOT because we are saying they should just be banned outright or we should look down on those who choose to present themselves as such, but because modern patriarchal society dictates they **must** embrace these things and partake in this manner of presenting their femininity lest they have their womanhood questioned much in the same way you did by saying that she must be a lesbian or a tomboy or confused about her gender. Butch lesbian feminists don't hate femme straight or bi feminists, they just to be free to present themselves how they choose to without having their womanhood stripped from them. Likewise, there are valid criticisms to be had in regards to how greatly capitalist society pushes these now firmly established emblems of femineity as a means of driving corporate profits, influencing the cultural zeitgeist, and ensuring that women (as well as any specific demographic they can target to extort the fruits of their labor from) continue being good little consumers. hence, the criticism against Barbie presented in this video.
@BlahLab
@BlahLab 6 ай бұрын
"You can't girlboss without a bit of labor exploitation" is A+
@maazkalim
@maazkalim 5 ай бұрын
Breaking some, to make some..
@craycrayaura6868
@craycrayaura6868 4 ай бұрын
@21:07
@matthewmoran1866
@matthewmoran1866 4 ай бұрын
Barbie puts the Boss is girlboss.
@kisawisa1769
@kisawisa1769 4 ай бұрын
I read your comment at the same exact time as she said that 👍
@ZombieDeathProof
@ZombieDeathProof 4 ай бұрын
beyonce would agree
@yur1ck361
@yur1ck361 9 ай бұрын
Living in a conservative country where even this "basic level feminism" is seen as extreme, I genuinely appreciate the movie for at least creating a talking point here, but also love your critiques, a point of view that I did not think about. Thanks!
@floffy2695
@floffy2695 9 ай бұрын
Yes! I also come from a conservative country and this basic feminism was so violently hated on by so many reviewers and while I am not a fan of shallow feminism myself, those reviews left me feeling drained and hopeless. My country produces terrible and bland male-led films with extreme misogyny, but even a small amount of feminism is completely shit upon, it's tiring. But atleast it was a fun movie I suppose.
@luizagriebelersouza8461
@luizagriebelersouza8461 9 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts! This shallow girlboss feminism of Barbie is already a big deal for Brazilian whites and it truly made an impact in me, but is good to see good criticism too.
@piretiris8223
@piretiris8223 9 ай бұрын
What country?
@ga75
@ga75 9 ай бұрын
yes.this.
@emilianazuckerberg5955
@emilianazuckerberg5955 9 ай бұрын
exactly
@paulinemoira8442
@paulinemoira8442 9 ай бұрын
Since i study sociology I sometimes have to remind myself, that most people don't think about social hierarchical structures like sexism as much as I do. During the scene in which Sasha's mom complains about all the expectation placed on women I seriously cringed, because of how obvious and well known those problems are. My mom and my sister cried during that same scene and afterwards talked about how cathartic it was that someone had put into words what they always felt like. And I'd rate at least my sister as relatively socially aware. That this kind of shallow feminism is to so many people groundbreaking is almost incomprehensible.
@fi-train8961
@fi-train8961 9 ай бұрын
Brilliant comment and very insightful.
@parrotreble8355
@parrotreble8355 9 ай бұрын
I know right?? I had heard people describe this movie as feminist before watching, so I had expectations of the movie confronting and possibly offering in-universe solutions to the sexism and misogyny within it. We got both Sasha's and Sasha's mom's vents about Barbie's influence on developing girls and the cognitive dissonance of being a woman, but the former was mostly ignored afterwards and the latter was watered down into "deprogramming" as if just hearing that the problem existed would give you the power to fight it. And honestly with true feminism, I was expecting an ending where the Barbies and Kens (etc) figure out a way to live in their world more equally. The goal of feminism isn't turning misogyny into misandry, turning Patriarchy into Matriarchy, it's making a world where people aren't treated worse or better because of their gender. It was a very fun movie to watch, but it left me feeling kind of disappointed.
@Imallwrite212
@Imallwrite212 9 ай бұрын
Yes to this whole exchange! I really wanted to see them work toward a more equal society, as that is the goal...@@parrotreble8355
@Imallwrite212
@Imallwrite212 9 ай бұрын
I also cringed! Plus they gave the mom such little development, that by the time she had her speech, it fell so flat to me, and made it pretty clear that this movie was for people who haven't really unpacked much yet.
@ronaldreaganhater6982
@ronaldreaganhater6982 9 ай бұрын
I also feel like it was shallow but I didn't cringe quite as much, i feel like the movie could have done better but those things are such common things to mull over and deal with that treating them like serious complaints almost feels relieving. I do think Barbie being a literal doll and the constraints of being seen as a woman should have been explored more together. Maybe have a part where instead of the existential meltdown Barbie tries to fit in the new Kendom and realizes it's impossible to be what they want.
@KarishmaChanglani
@KarishmaChanglani 8 ай бұрын
The fact that Barbie, an extremely popculture safe version of feminism is something considered so abrasive just because it acknowledge a system over individual makes me really upset how behind we really are.
@Lora_Beolab
@Lora_Beolab 4 ай бұрын
it would'nt have been abrasive if it was real
@LegoJunk128
@LegoJunk128 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, as a kid growing up in the 2000s I thought we were so removed from the past but ignorance just keeps holding on for dear life
@androow1983
@androow1983 2 ай бұрын
It portrayed men as bad, when everything that happened in the movie, happens to men too.
@SorosPhuvix
@SorosPhuvix 9 ай бұрын
The movie felt a lot like baby's first feminism. So while shallow for those more well versed in the movement, for a stunning amount of individuals, the Barbie movie pried open their eyes for the first time. For that alone, I am grateful, for I hope those people keep following that feeling leading them into deeper critical thoughts on the world around them. For that alone, I am more pessimistic than I was before. Thank you for the video.
@ella-sj8bu
@ella-sj8bu 8 ай бұрын
in my opinion i don't think it was good representation of feminism in any form. a good feminist story shouldn't have to rely on diminishing men
@h444teligament
@h444teligament 8 ай бұрын
​@@ella-sj8buit didnt... diminish men? there are a million things to criticise about this film and its fake white feminist narrative but it certainly didn't diminish men
@legendaccount3247
@legendaccount3247 8 ай бұрын
@@ella-sj8bu The movie doesn't diminish men though? It takes jabs at traditionally masculine things but Ken receives his own fully fleshed out arc about learning to be his own person separate from the women in his life. Literally his entire character journey can be summed up as "bros before hoes"
@gemstone108
@gemstone108 8 ай бұрын
Why is that pessimistic? Opening people’s eyes is a good thing!
@ella-sj8bu
@ella-sj8bu 8 ай бұрын
@@legendaccount3247 i personally think it took jabs at men as a whole (the entire campfire scene being manipulating men, acting as if men can't be catcalled/sexualized in public when they first arrive in the human world, etc) but i understand how people can see the opposite, so to rephrase my original statement: i don't think a good feminist story should have to rely on men at all. plus in the end, the kens were still very mistreated and weren't equal with the barbies. that's not feminism. feminism isn't about being better than men or placing them lower in society to uplift women, feminism is being equal to men and those around us
@un0riginal539
@un0riginal539 9 ай бұрын
I feel like this movie did a better job as a critique of toxic masculinity and toxic male in groups (I.e. manosphere and similar) rather than the feminist extravaganza it was perceived and presented as.
@esaelisa423
@esaelisa423 9 ай бұрын
I think it misses half of the entire critique of toxic male groups though -- they focus on how dumb it is and how misogynistic it is, but they don't look at all at how it harms *men*. Ken has a breakdown over his lack of personhood because of the matriarchy from before the Kens took over -- not from his adopted personality of dudebro stuff.
@un0riginal539
@un0riginal539 9 ай бұрын
@@esaelisa423 Ken has a breakdown because he values himself on his ability to “get women” and he hasn’t developed the emotional maturity to take that without having a breakdown, it’s why when the Ken’s take over, they don’t replace all the Barbie’s roles, they just hang out and parade their new girlfriend Barbies, they literally don’t value anything other than examples of toxic masculinity.
@tess_eract4832
@tess_eract4832 9 ай бұрын
@@un0riginal539while I do agree with you completely, and even though I haven’t watched the movie yet, I think Greta was more closely trying to satirize the patriarchy and elements of misogyny within it. If this is true, the movie seems to have been a least a little successful with it because all the men commentating on the ways Ken is portrayed (the irony being that that’s how women are normally portrayed in any other movie out there) ultimately proves the hypocrisy in their arguments. Therefore, i don’t think toxic masculinity is what this movie is prioritizing even though the consequences of that may harm some of the dudes watching the movie
@esaelisa423
@esaelisa423 9 ай бұрын
@@un0riginal539 But Ken values himself on his ability to get women because Barbieland only values Ken through their connection to women. That's not from patriarchy or toxic masculinity -- that's the direct result of the fake matriarchy.
@un0riginal539
@un0riginal539 9 ай бұрын
@@tess_eract4832 I think a movie can have more than one message, although maybe the movie didn’t prioritize the toxic masculinity message and theme, those themes were definitely touched on intentionally and with the male audience in mind.
@loulou1339
@loulou1339 9 ай бұрын
I liked the movie, although it isn‘t a feminist masterpiece. I also knew that it won’t be anti-consumerism or anti-capitalism (Mattel as a brand was involved). I just enjoyed watching a well made hollywood movie. A pleasure I allow myself once in a while.
@Orynae
@Orynae 9 ай бұрын
Agreed! The movie was a very fun watch, and the message wasnn't _bad,_ it was just very incomplete, which was kind of expected. Actually it was a lot less "cringe preachy feminist that says things execs _think_ are woke" than I was afraid of XD
@GeteMachine
@GeteMachine 9 ай бұрын
It wouldnt be possible for a barbie movie to be anti-capitalism or consumerism, when that is pretty much the Doll's concept. It was mostly just female opulence from first wave feminism after women had the right to buy their own things. Capitalism for women. A modern feminist take on Barbie would have been intersting considering millenials and Gen Z aren't interested in that anymore as a value anymore. But its not perfect, it was writen by an older generation from first wave feminism. Though it would be hard to write a Barbie movie that was, because it contradicts the existence of Mattel unless it wasnt that form of social commentary.
@laurencsikistvan6630
@laurencsikistvan6630 9 ай бұрын
@@GeteMachine I'm not so sure about that... Capitalism and consumerism are still pretty rampant. Sure, now it's kind of mingled with concerns for the environment but the immense popularity of social media and influencer culture (and let's not even talk about the business-oriented girl power and onlyfans movement) tells me that capitalism with all its nasty friends (consumerism and elitism) is still pretty much well and alive.
@TheFiteShow
@TheFiteShow 9 ай бұрын
same, it was the first good hollywood movie since like 2008 or something, i cant topple capitalism so im gonna use my consumerist vote to influence the world in a little way
@kialo6790
@kialo6790 9 ай бұрын
It is a masterpiece The exchange of ups with downs to describe womanhood, the equivalency between Ken in Barbieland and women in the real patriarchal society while extending a core reflection of the manosphere cultural irl out of it, and the refreshing advocate for reality check activism, really make this film stand out as a masterpiece with a fantastic balance between nuances and funs!
@78jujubs
@78jujubs 8 ай бұрын
After watching the movie I was left a little disappointed in the message. I wish this movie was about aging because they set it up pretty well. Revealing that Barbie was actually the mother's toy made me cry like a baby because it meant that the mother loved Barbie because it was her connection with her daughter. That rant at the end? It would have been way more powerful coming from Sasha instead. As girls, we expect to get things like height, boobs, womanly curves and beauty. Instead, we grow hair in places we don't want, we gain weight really quickly, and we start to bleed and ache every month. We stop being innocent girls and become sluts and bitches. This is why Sasha is so angry, and she projects that anger onto her mother, who is seemingly happy living in a patriarchal world. It would have been beautiful to see a mother and daughter bond over womanhood and the struggles it brings with it. Also, Barbie telling the old woman she's beautiful would have just fit better in a story about aging.
@cardenuovo
@cardenuovo 6 ай бұрын
Agreed. The age thing would have been powerful. Not sure why they chucked it to the side so quickly and thoroughly in place of that weird but cliched ending. As a side note I appreciated the homeage made to the Truman Show. They’re subtle but definitely not just my imagination 😂
@yumeciide6256
@yumeciide6256 5 ай бұрын
This is a really beautiful message and I totally agree
@seronymus
@seronymus 5 ай бұрын
Why is it bad to gain weight if fat is sexy?
@78jujubs
@78jujubs 5 ай бұрын
@@seronymus it's not the fat its self, it's the fact that your body changes drastically, and you can't control it.
@crazyowlgirlcncowner
@crazyowlgirlcncowner 4 ай бұрын
Ugh THIS! I HATED the focus on "Ahhh, cellulite!" In the movie. I feel like as a gen z I see my generation more worried about WRINKLES, not cellulite. I mean, the anti wrinkle straw, super emphasis on skincare, and not smiling to not get wrinkles? That's a thing people are worried about these days.
@ggwp638BC
@ggwp638BC 4 ай бұрын
9:26 - I work in the toy industry, and this point here is one of the WEIRDEST things we see everyday. When you poll parents, the feelings towards diversification tend to go from neutral at worst, to really positive at best, negative perceptions are very rare. That said, diverse dolls do not sell. I mean, they do, but the gap is astronomical. Blondes are usually always #1, Brunettes are a close second. And then you have this major gap between those two and every other ethnicity that is white-looking, and then you have black dolls. So far, nothing out of the expected, except there is a very weird phenomena. If a store owner sees that Blondes sell more and they want to save shelf space, they might buy just the blonde ones. Result? Blondes don't sell, or at least at a much lower rate than the market medium. Weird right? But if the same store take away a few blonde dolls from the shelf and adds diverse dolls, the diverse dolls will still not sell, but the blonde ones start selling at a much faster rate. And even weirder, often people of other races will still pick the blue eyed blonde over their own ethnicity, even if both are available. Basically the current understanding is that either due to marketing, personal preferences, indoctrination, or anything else, people still prefer traditionally looking dolls, but because of the general awareness of the effects dolls have in girl's self-image, parents feel guilty about buying the product. But, when parents see that the brand is* socially aware (*we are talking about a very surface perception here), they feel more comfortable buying the product even though the doll is the same exact one they considered harmful. This even happens with other issues, for example, baby toys sell more blue and pink if there is a neutral color like green, yellow or white. A socially aware parent doesn't want to buy blue for boys and pink for girls, but if they see they have the gender neutral option, they will happily buy blue for boys and pink for girls. Basically, people want options to exist, but they still want the standard product. (This doesn't fully apply to products that have known characters, so something like disney princesses or marvel heroes will work differently to some extent).
@ARGhostie
@ARGhostie 3 ай бұрын
That's really interesting!! Thanks for sharing!
@MissMisnomer_
@MissMisnomer_ 3 ай бұрын
This was so interesting and I've never even thought about it before but it makes SO much sense
@thisrandomdude2846
@thisrandomdude2846 14 күн бұрын
That is INCREDIBLY interesting, holy cow, thank you so much for your insight!!
@Soulessblur
@Soulessblur 3 күн бұрын
I think this is unfortunately true not just in the toy industry, but in basically everything involving consumerism. We don't want to feel like our preferences are being targeted to the exclusion of anything else, but we also don't want to change our preferences. Nobody likes targeted ads, but they only care about the ads for stuff they like. Nobody wants superheroes to all be white men, but they're the most popular. Nobody wants to buy clothes from a store that doesn't sell for very large or thing people, but they still buy conventionally accepted sizes, even when it doesn't fit them perfectly. People insult hooters for their hiring standards, but conventionally attractive female waitresses still get more tips. In fairness, I think in many instances it's the least bad of a plethora of solutions. Most of us can't control that our interests converge into a statistic majority, even when that interest is shaped by ancient society standards. But that doesn't mean we want those few who don't fit the mold not to be represented. I'd feel weird playing an RPG where I'm forced to be a white human male lawfully good guy. . .but in a game where I'm allowed to be whatever I want, that's what I'm gonna be. We don't want to support products that don't support people who aren't like us. The problem, I guess, is that's where tokenism comes from. The bigger Barbie in the movie with only 5 lines exists for the same reason the green baby toys do - it's not gonna make profit, it's not an important product, but it will uplift the other successful products by existing. I don't even think it's the socially aware parent exclusively responsible for this either. When a product has one shape and size, it's not personalized. Kids love expressing themselves, so they'll naturally be drawn to products with a variety. It's not "a" Barbie, it's "my" Barbie, because it's different from the ones I didn't spend my allowance on. It creates the illusion of uniqueness out of an otherwise standard item.
@migueldegouveia5310
@migueldegouveia5310 9 ай бұрын
To me the movie isn't a feminist epic film, it's a satire that doesn't take things too seriously.
@ofeliamarmbrandt9224
@ofeliamarmbrandt9224 9 ай бұрын
This! ^^
@Betra-fk8hg
@Betra-fk8hg 9 ай бұрын
Agreeddd
@sadlian3190
@sadlian3190 9 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly
@mediocreMayme
@mediocreMayme 9 ай бұрын
This is a great take.
@nyes4596
@nyes4596 9 ай бұрын
THIS! people needs to wake up and see that not everything gas to be taken seriously!
@MK-ex4fe
@MK-ex4fe 9 ай бұрын
I’m glad you touched on the mean spirited portrayal of sasha. She’s the movie’s “feminist”/anti barbie mouth piece but she’s also a hyper feminine mean girl bully. Despite feeling harmed by barbie her only role is to realize that Barbie is important to her mom and that she needs get over herself and shut up. Terminal case of activist character.
@amoureux6502
@amoureux6502 9 ай бұрын
The "Barbie is a fascist" line felt so shoehorned in, it was a fun film but it was pretty shallow.
@rubybee2180
@rubybee2180 9 ай бұрын
@@amoureux6502 I think that was supposed to depict how superficial some activists are now, using buzzwords in the least appropriate situations
@whenfairieshelp8034
@whenfairieshelp8034 9 ай бұрын
yes! I also found it v disappointing how little? we actually got to know about her. I was expecting her and barbie to bond but in the end Sasha was kind of a background piece lol
@amoureux6502
@amoureux6502 9 ай бұрын
@@rubybee2180 that was certainly the intent (next scene had Barbie crying and saying something like "how can I be a fascist, I don't control railways or the flow of commerce") but the way the scene was written still felt weird and forced.
@abbeyBominable123
@abbeyBominable123 9 ай бұрын
@@amoureux6502 teen activists are like that tho. It's realistic to me.
@mrbubbies_
@mrbubbies_ 6 ай бұрын
I heard “Kirby Barbie” instead of curvy Barbie and man I was so excited for a minute
@goiabexp
@goiabexp 4 ай бұрын
I would SO buy that
@noodlesofrubber
@noodlesofrubber 2 ай бұрын
OMG SAME
@PastelHime
@PastelHime Күн бұрын
LMAO that would be the best barbie tho
@lias1762
@lias1762 3 ай бұрын
I remember sitting in the movie and thinking it was odd how they trivialized the higher ups of Barbie as “silly little guys” when in fact they’ve profited off of the commodification of little girls’ insecurities for decades, all while perpetuating harmful stereotypes about femininity and covering it up with appropriated “girl power”.
@charischannah
@charischannah 9 ай бұрын
I loved the Barbie movie, but I really appreciate your critiques. It features a surface-level feminism without digging deeper.
@FreakigesSternchen
@FreakigesSternchen 9 ай бұрын
I don’t think it wanted to go much deeper-it’s still a family movie released worldwide, many people will never have even heard the word “patriarchy” in their lives, so I think it’s not bad as a surface-level introduction to all of these complicated topics.
@peachesncharlotte
@peachesncharlotte 9 ай бұрын
​@@FreakigesSternchen with all the adult innuendos and references, i wouldn't really call it a family movie 💀
@jjonjjoe
@jjonjjoe 9 ай бұрын
It's the barbie movie, ofc it isn't a deep dive into feminism
@baydiac
@baydiac 9 ай бұрын
@@FreakigesSternchenOkay but it doesn’t change a point I’ve heard NO ONE talk about: Barbie apologizes to Ken (what? for not being interested in him? that isn’t wrong. Ken oppression yes, but it’s not _mean_ to not care about someone) but KEN DOESN’T APOLOGIZE TO BARBIE. EVER.
@allastay
@allastay 9 ай бұрын
It doesn't feature any level of feminism.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 9 ай бұрын
1. Margot Robbie has been paid $12.5 million for her lead part in Gerwig’s movie. 2. The workers on the Barbie doll assembly line are paid $2 an hour. 3. Therefore, to earn Margot’s money, each worker would have to work 6,250,000 hours. 4. Given their 12-hour shifts six days a week, this amounts to 1,669 years of utterly tedious and repetitive labor.
@yskmwest8534
@yskmwest8534 9 ай бұрын
Cut actress's pay !!!!
@gem3763
@gem3763 9 ай бұрын
@@yskmwest8534 how the hell is that the conclusion you come to
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 9 ай бұрын
@@Geraltofrivia1012 Why does she? And why do the workers who enable Ms Robbie to accrue vast wealth have to be paid so little?
@taracarlson992
@taracarlson992 9 ай бұрын
It wasn't just Gerwig's film, it was actually Margot Robbie, the producer, who hired Gerwig in the first place. Yes, Gerwig and her husband did write the Barbie screenplay and directed it. I would imagine Robbie put up all the money to begin production of such movie. I am also sure Robbie is the one who paid Gerwig and her husband first before they committed to such project. As for the "[Mattel] workers making $2.00/hr" that is Mattel's issue not Robbie's.
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx
@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx 9 ай бұрын
@@taracarlson992 The film 'Barbie' is little more than a series of adverts for corporate products as well as for overpriced plastic dolls made of oil. To dissociate the principals involved - Gerwig, Robbie et al - from the exploited workers (many of them women) who enable them to earn vast wealth from the film is to condone the continued exploitation of women and men. That's up to you, isn't it?
@Axe-wieldingFox
@Axe-wieldingFox 9 ай бұрын
I remember as a child, my parents were reluctant about what barbies they gave me, sticking to academic barbies, like ones with medical degrees and such. And then one year, my aunt bought me a princess barbie. And I pretty much only played with her from then on.
@nerychristian
@nerychristian 8 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with that. Girls like pretty things. Men like pretty things. We buy pretty things.
@citrus_sweet
@citrus_sweet 4 ай бұрын
If your parents were more intelligent, they would've bought those science kits instead of dolls. I never got a doctor barbie but I did have those 3d books where you can pull the skin off of a skeleton and look at those plastic models of organs and muscle tendons with explanations of how the human body worked. A child who thinks space is cool would be more interested in a solar system set than a doll of Neil DeGrasse Tyson or something.
@KD-ou2np
@KD-ou2np 4 ай бұрын
@@citrus_sweetwell 😅 sounds like the clumsy missteps of some boomers trying their hand at gender equality. Sweet in a stupid way. “We should raise our daughter to be independent!…. Let’s see what do they have in the girls section..Um.. here’s doctor Barbie go play sweetie?”
@_mister_midnight
@_mister_midnight 3 ай бұрын
We all purposely blind ourselves to the fact that human nature is very shallow and superficial. And that's how we start as kids but people are stringy about admitting it. That shallowness follows us into adulthood but we try hard to make it seem like we aren't. The real reason why barbie is failing isn't because of it's lack of diversity or creativity, it's because kids are now more interested in phones.
@emdove
@emdove 3 ай бұрын
My mum bought me and my sister a doll from another brand, a black doll with natural hair and movable limbs, including all joints. In hindsight, it was so much better, but when she caved and got us actual (used) Barbie's, they took over. Just because everyone else had one.
@ShoegazeForever
@ShoegazeForever 9 ай бұрын
"There is no ethical consumption under capitalism" is a phrase that will never be proven wrong
@qunituabastard1754
@qunituabastard1754 8 ай бұрын
i frankly don't understand this quote whenever it's brought up
@amelieschulze7487
@amelieschulze7487 8 ай бұрын
​​@@qunituabastard1754I think it means that when you look behind the veneer of brands that market themselves as "ethically sustainable", you more often than not find that they will cut moral corners in the background (wages, working conditions) where their customers can't see, not because they're inherently malicious but because the system fundamentally incentivises placing monetary gain above human needs. The problem isn't malicious intent, it's disinterest in anything that does not provide a financial net positive. It consequently advocates for less consumption rather than "ethical" consumption
@user-cw3wm9lx7w
@user-cw3wm9lx7w 4 ай бұрын
@@qunituabastard1754 because everything we do, results in massive social harm and screws someone somewhere. Pollutes the 3rd world, slave labor in the 3rd world, sweatshops
@user-cw3wm9lx7w
@user-cw3wm9lx7w 4 ай бұрын
@@amelieschulze7487 maybe we simply don’t meed capitalism anymore
@Kindlywaterbear
@Kindlywaterbear 4 ай бұрын
@@qunituabastard1754 And also building off of what Amelie said, not only are a lot of individual companies exploiting people for profit, but entire countries (ahem ahem US) exploit other countries, especially those in the global south, for materials. Underdeveloped countries are often preyed upon by countries with more influence in order to gain valuable resources such as valuable minerals and, in a lot of cases, oil. Congo is currently a very good example of this. And aside from the exploitation of resources in other countries, the conditions of labor in other countries is also exploited. Companies will move factories and such to countries where it is easier to exploit people, whether because of a more desperate workforce, more lax labor laws, or really any condition that makes it easier. TL;DR No consumption is ethical because at the root of it, exploitation was used in order to make those products somewhere along the line
@ebetg4191
@ebetg4191 9 ай бұрын
the bumbling board room of men at mattel felt almost like weaponized incompetence, like “haha mattel can’t possibly have had ulterior motives, they couldn’t even get through an automatic gate 😜”
@littlemissmello
@littlemissmello 9 ай бұрын
It was very funny and I caught myself hoping during the movie that the realization that these men even are in that position is in itself part of the problem, but I should have known better as of course they went with the, "they are practically harmless and not worth getting upset over" angle
@George2647g
@George2647g 9 ай бұрын
@@littlemissmellophew! No alterior motives from the filmmakers too im sure
@sophieekhegfejwgk
@sophieekhegfejwgk 9 ай бұрын
Honestly the Mattel board was probably my least favourite part of the film when watching because I got the exact same vibe
@csquared8215
@csquared8215 9 ай бұрын
I was so disappointed with the boardroom of men. It felt to gentle on them. Too much like "Yeah it's a room full of men but they have good intentions and look at how silly will farrell is!"
@ebetg4191
@ebetg4191 9 ай бұрын
@@csquared8215 exactly!!!
@Alliebomba41
@Alliebomba41 9 ай бұрын
One of the things that struck me as weird in the movie is that Ryan Gosling's Ken recognizes that he and the other Kens have been marginalized in Barbieland, which leads him to invert the social order and create a cartoon-stereotype of patriarchy. Then, Margot Robbie's Barbie and America Ferrera's Gloria restore the matriarchal status quo and put the Kens back into their place as second-class citizens (but also grant them token representation in minor political roles, dangling the carrots of self-actualization and eventual systemic change to placate them). It's weird to me because the movie acknowledges that a hierarchical gender-caste system is a major problem in this universe, but it doesn't actually aspire to systemic change. It just puts the Barbies back on top of the hierarchy and stresses the importance of individual fulfillment. I want to give the movie credit and believe that this was the satirical point they were trying to make (self-actualization as distraction from systemic problems), but I genuinely cannot tell if that's what the film creators intended.
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow
@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow 9 ай бұрын
society is good when white women rule -progressives, probably
@Alliebomba41
@Alliebomba41 9 ай бұрын
Also, just to rattle these off real quick: 1) Lizzo is heard in the movie, but not seen (too bad, because her narration was the funniest part). 2) "Weird Barbie" is Kate McKinnon but straight. 3) Hari Nef is there but is given nothing interesting to do in this movie about gender roles, authenticity, and self-expression.
@jj4l
@jj4l 9 ай бұрын
Isn't that the point, to make you think as it's the same but patriarchy in the irl world in the film
@aashnasaiyara4418
@aashnasaiyara4418 9 ай бұрын
@@jj4l idk tho, the movie makes it seem like the ending with matriarchy in barbieland is all happy and stuff, when they are literally back to point 0
@kid-ava
@kid-ava 9 ай бұрын
@@aashnasaiyara4418 agreed
@RADZina
@RADZina 5 ай бұрын
thank you SO MUCH for including citations when a fact is mentioned, not just when directly quoting something. working on a paper in this area and being able to find the articles is SO helpful
@emi_no_yume1426
@emi_no_yume1426 9 ай бұрын
20:48 not the video cutting from the “curvy” Barbie to Margot Robbie and their bodies being exactly the same 💀
@annaitsy
@annaitsy 9 ай бұрын
On your note about them ignoring the factories and workers -- in the movie, directly after Ken begins living in the Mojo Dojo Casa House, there's a brief scene where the CEO excitedly says, "These are flying off the shelves!" and we see a warehouse full of already-packaged Ken houses being loaded onto trucks. There are no design meetings. There is no production. The CEO seems almost surprised by its existence. It's implied that the decisions in Barbie World just... magically make toys in our world come into being. When we consider how they're trying to turn the lens away from Barbie as a product made in factories, and make us not think about the labor issues and constant plastic pollution... that little scene gets really unsettling.
@nelime3095
@nelime3095 9 ай бұрын
I think if they really didnt want to highlight the labour issues and plastic, they would have simply skipped the warehouse scene. Instead, by making the situation so ridiculous, we are able to shine a lens on the reality of the situation by incorporating our own real world knowledge. I appreciate that you were able to feel unsettled that presentation since it may have been intentional!
@gardengloop1060
@gardengloop1060 9 ай бұрын
Yeah a safe white woman feminist movie would not dare criticize capitalism or its effect on the environment.
@markstein2845
@markstein2845 7 ай бұрын
I didn't understand this in the movie. They didn't even try to make the Kendom sees unfair or cruel to women , the crulest think he does is to say to Barbie the same thing she says to him in the beginning of the movie (this is my house, and every night is boys's night) and then he says: It hurt doesn't it ? Like he doesn't even mean, he's only hurt by her. While in the first 30 seconds of Barbie in the real world she was literally groped in daylight in the middle of park. Instead in the Kendom, women seemed pretty fair and gave a reasonable reason to accept it - "sometimes you want to take a break from being in charge". Then they even hinted any Ken being aggressive, screaming at barbies or beating them. Ken literally asks barbie for a beer, and when she says no: he literally says: ok, whatever. Barbies don't even compete for the attention of Kens, like Kens did. Kens give all their attention to the Barbies all the time, they even use this as a plot point when she asks a guy to restart the movie he's watching and explain it to her. I don't feel like the director was really trying to portray the dangerous of patriarchy.
@arlequinelunaire418
@arlequinelunaire418 9 ай бұрын
The other funny thing about a Frida Kahlo Barbie is that a lot of Kahlo's paintings weren't child-friendly in the slightest. I'm also reminded of how the movie Coco treated her as a punchline
@KittyPieVibes
@KittyPieVibes 9 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I was thinking but I feel like that’s done with so many historical figures. I remember being in first grade making cute little Christopher Columbus dolls for thanksgiving because he “discovered America” Not to say Frida is like columbus at all, but historical figures are often sanitized so much for children
@halloweenallyearround4889
@halloweenallyearround4889 9 ай бұрын
And they didn't give a FF about her physical disabilities.
@eloisaortega9596
@eloisaortega9596 9 ай бұрын
@@KittyPieVibesNo cause saaaame, I one asked my teacher if Christopher Columbus also participated in the genocide of natives and she said he had tried to stop as if he wasn’t the head of it. I was like in fourth grade I think I could have been able to handle the truth. Also my school was Christian so they try to paint the Columbian exchange as not TOTALLY bad and horrible because natives were finally able to hear the word of Jesus. Not saying Christianity is bad but what a way to simplify the sufferment of so many people.
@maddiemcgwire
@maddiemcgwire 8 ай бұрын
Barbie tells the old woman, "You're beautiful," and it's supposed to be revolutionary... But all I could think about was that it was reinforcing the idea that all women can ever aspire to be is "beautiful". Not wise, smart, generous, caring, vibrant. Just beautiful.
@gemstone108
@gemstone108 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think the takeaway is we’re supposed to “aspire” to be beautiful, I think it’s that EVERYONE is automatically beautiful, even if they don’t conform to standards or if they’re not young anymore. The lady says “I know it!” because she doesn’t need to aspire to it. Also, many of the Barbies and the side characters are shown to be smart and many other qualities! I liked the message of that scene because I too think everyone is beautiful and it’s your character and your actions that matter most in the end.
@miyakakinshasa25
@miyakakinshasa25 7 ай бұрын
Beauty means so much more than a pretty face in this context
@rangoooo2312
@rangoooo2312 7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Also Barbie calls herself and others ugly several times later in the movie, saying she has no worth now
@rayesafan9628
@rayesafan9628 7 ай бұрын
Ima gonna push back on this gently, even though I totally get what you’re saying. I think beautiful and attractive are two different things. Barbie is an unhealthy “beauty standard” but I think it’s really an unhealthy “attractive standard.” Beauty isn’t always pretty. The old lady isn’t “pretty”, and the “real world” isn’t “pretty”, but it’s beautiful. So when she said to the old lady “you’re beautiful”, and she said “I know”, because she was looking at real people at the park before, I think she meant my definition. Growing old is a beautiful, wonderful opportunity that not everybody gets. Reality is beautiful, because it’s real. I think that honestly should have been the message of the whole movie, and they should have taken out the whole patriarchy thing. Not because “gross, feminism”, but because that message fell flat. It had no chance. But the “plastic world vs real world” they slipped in was hitting home for me. And I really think they could have had a rounded out message with that.
@lightofall
@lightofall 3 ай бұрын
Agreed
@lily_doesthings
@lily_doesthings 4 ай бұрын
I had to watch Barbie for a film class a month ago. I shared some of my frustrations with the film and I was the only one who saw it this way. It's refreshing to hear a perspective like this.
@naimvelasquez6079
@naimvelasquez6079 9 ай бұрын
Honestly, Barbie was exactly what I thought it would be: training wheels for people who are just starting to get into actual feminism beyond the shallow girlpower commercials that are available for the general public. I felt so alone during the monologue because I could feel dozens of women having one-in-a-lifetime epiphanies around me, but I had already learned all that was said from random tumblr posts when I was 15. I had spent so much of my time reading article after article, book after book, thinking about all that I could experience in the world if only I wasn't bound by the identity of being a woman, that I felt like there was nothing for me to relate to. The movie was pretty, the message was cute, but I felt like I needed more nuance, more subtlety, something raw that actually encapsulated womanhood and girlhood, but I realized that a movie about a toy could never feature the amount of violence and rage that defined the experience of being a woman. It is a very necessary step, but it made it painfully clear how far behind the general public actually is when it comes to feminism. *Edit*: if you felt personally attacked by what I said, want to accuse me of whatever stupid delusions you have about my personal world view based on a youtube comment, want to accuse me of whatever oversimplified trope such as a pick me girl, don't like feminism, refuse to understand where I'm coming from, refuse to develop your own reading comprehension skills, or if you just feel like bothering someone; this is my warning for you before you come tell me all that: I don't care. Keep it to yourself, or keep in mind that you will not like my answer to your complaints. Keep scrolling and have a nice day.
@elfodelputoinfierno
@elfodelputoinfierno 9 ай бұрын
Yeah! Though it makes me happy these women are having these epiphanies. If we are to really make change, their help will be necessary!
@DrMandy
@DrMandy 9 ай бұрын
Monologues like that have been in hundred’s of movies. I don’t feel it was supposed to be an epiphany. However, I liked that it ends with the “and thats just for a doll”. But for me, the moving aspect of Barbie was the nostalgia of girlhood, and all that could have been. I think it hit us Gen Xers differently.
@naimvelasquez6079
@naimvelasquez6079 9 ай бұрын
@DrMandy yeah I'm 21, my entire childhood revolved around barbie. I just donated about 40 of them, the whole collection of movies and three barbie houses to my local charity (since I'm going to college), they were my main toys
@smerasingh6758
@smerasingh6758 9 ай бұрын
I think it was because maybe in that moment Barbie herself was experiencing an epiphany? I think you articulated it very well though. I thought the movie was very well done, but it was definitely stuff I've heard before.
@voidnoidoid
@voidnoidoid 9 ай бұрын
I felt the same! I felt more when barbie was talking about how useless and hopeless she felt than during America's speech
@annaphallactic
@annaphallactic 9 ай бұрын
I would've loved to see you analyze the role of Weird Barbies and their queer coding in the film. They might've been my favorite part (along with Ken getting red-pilled within seconds of entering the real world, which was fucking HILARIOUS). The You Should See The Other Guy podcast also had a thoughtful critique of the film. I personally loved it as a theatrical experience but I also knew roughly the type of girlboss feminism that I was getting into with it.
@personwhoisaperson7904
@personwhoisaperson7904 9 ай бұрын
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO NOTICED THE QUEER CODING
@personwhoisaperson7904
@personwhoisaperson7904 9 ай бұрын
LIKE MAGIC EARRING KEN? KATE MCKINNON? A L A N? AND IM SURE ITS NO COINCIDENCE ALEXANDRA SHIPP WAS THE FIRST BARBIE TO JOIN 'THE OTHER SIDE'
@sagecrops7368
@sagecrops7368 9 ай бұрын
And Allan! Is one of the girls! But also not really! And DEFINITELY not one of the guys! He hates everything they were trying to do and wants to leave! And he’s the only one that is different!
@eg4441
@eg4441 9 ай бұрын
@@sagecrops7368haven't seen it and idk who allan is but he sounds real as fuck
@jougjimmadome
@jougjimmadome 9 ай бұрын
I'm not arguing because it's really both but I immediately read Weird Barbies/malfunctions strongly as disability coding, like that strongly matches the language used about them and the fact that it is physical deformities/changes in function that determine their "weirdness"
@catherinejohnson2873
@catherinejohnson2873 6 ай бұрын
I hate when I get got by marketing campaigns. I just wanted to wear sparkly pink clothes and feel empowered as a woman :( You’re so right though, I came out of Barbie both having an identity crisis and feeling bad about my body. I had no idea they had all those beauty industry partnerships!!! Terrifying honestly
@Rapidlyapproachingmoth
@Rapidlyapproachingmoth 9 ай бұрын
strong agree with this video essay. When I came out of the film i felt immedietly uncomfortable and icky. I didn't have the ability to put it into words to my friends who seemed to really love it, but I realise now that part of it was that I wanted and thought that the final message of the film was going to be equality... but it j u s t missed it, and i felt so awkward. the whole film felt awkward and plastic and fake.
@felixhenson9926
@felixhenson9926 9 ай бұрын
As someone who's been collecting disabled Barbies, not only was Frida whitewashed and commercialised but her disability was all but erased.
@LancelotGraal
@LancelotGraal 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, everyone forgets she was disabled. And also queer.
@kikikiller1153
@kikikiller1153 9 ай бұрын
​@@LancelotGraaland that she was not a feminist at all, her boyfriend was sh*t and she kinda was too, but yeah, feminist icon woo hoo!
@babyxblue
@babyxblue 9 ай бұрын
​@@LancelotGraalwhat disability did she have?
@Kaylisia25
@Kaylisia25 9 ай бұрын
​@@babyxbluewhen she was young she suffered disabling injuries during a bus accident that included an iron rail puncturing her abdomen/uterus, making her infertile, and spinal damage. Some of her paintings were done during her recovery and a recurring theme in her paintings are pain.
@JackyTMusic
@JackyTMusic 9 ай бұрын
Presumably, Frida was suffering from CRPS post her accident. Fibromyalgia is also a term used when CRPS creates widespread dysfunction of the neuroimmune system and beyond; not just chronic pain in a regional area, but other middle brain dysfuction. I have Fibro and that's as basic as I get about it. Frida is amazing at conveying how Fibro feels through art and her ethos. Pity more people don't know what she was passionate about broadly speaking.
@TashFizzy
@TashFizzy 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for validating the weird icky feeling I felt after seeing this movie. It was a visually incredible entertaining comedic movie that I did enjoy for the most part but there were just so many aspects that fell flat and felt off that I couldn’t quite explain and this video sums up my feelings perfectly.
@sm79165
@sm79165 9 ай бұрын
It's nice to read multiple comments like this that I agree with, something was definitely weird about the movie. It tried to be feminist but ended up missing the mark because it's primary goal was profit all along.
@imnot9orsilentgamer437
@imnot9orsilentgamer437 9 ай бұрын
yeah and seeing people defend it because "the movie is feminism! if people dislike the movie they dislike feminism!" is complete bullshit. sure its entertaining and you can like it but admittedly the social commentary was bad, if anything anti feminist and messy.
@veronicaa4173
@veronicaa4173 9 ай бұрын
@@imnot9orsilentgamer437no seriously like everyone I talk to puts me down for not liking it even tho I’m a woman, but it came off wrong to me, like how did they find that empowering? idk
@Nirax3
@Nirax3 9 ай бұрын
honestly the first act would have been a 5/5 imo just for the production design. Barbieland looks amazing, you can really tell it was made with love. I couldn't stop laughing because the visual jokes were so funny. ... But it should have stopped there. The plot tried to do something it could never do as the product it is and the mainstream audiences it's trying to reach. It was really awkward to watch at times. Overall I still think it's a pretty good comedy but I don't get why so many people think this is a feminist masterpiece.
@bubblykoi
@bubblykoi 9 ай бұрын
​@@imnot9orsilentgamer437definitely agree!! I love the movie and I enjoyed it, it was fun and entertaining but I also felt something that just didn't sit right with me and when I saw this video I understand why I felt that way. you can love, hate, dislike the movie that's fine but if you're argument is bc "you hate this movie= you hate feminism" then that's the worst argument. have a civil conversation about it see each others points of view.
@liblib1597
@liblib1597 8 ай бұрын
THANK YOU FOR THIS. I took my daughter to see the movie and we left feeling awkward. She (9yo) said "I thought it would be more fun but it was mostly confusing grown-up stuff". I couldn't shake the feeling that I must have missed something because the anticlimactic end felt like the "moral" was "Yes, it sucks to be a woman, but we put up with it anyways 🎉" not a very comforting takeaway, though I only heard others saying the movie moved them to tears and I 🤨 couldn't relate
@kezia8027
@kezia8027 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! It seemed like the moral was - just make men happy so they shut up and then go do things behind their back so you don't upset them! Because ultimately the Ken's having a meltdown is seen as the worst outcome, completely ignoring the very real problems the Barbies were having, not to mention stripping them of any agency because they've been 'brainwashed' and so can't possibly make a choice for themselves without the help of Barbie ©™® and they can't possibly be expected to grow up, so just go behind their backs and manipulate them! Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss Barbie!
@oooh19
@oooh19 4 ай бұрын
at 9 you generally wouldn't understand a lot of that and be able to unpack it all you dont have the life experience
@losermetalhead
@losermetalhead 4 ай бұрын
the movie isn’t directed towards small children so that’s on you for taking a small child to see it and acting all upset they didn’t understand it
@KK-kj1vc
@KK-kj1vc 3 ай бұрын
First of all, the movie is being marketed to girls well under 13. There’s an entire line of Barbie dolls and accessories in the toy aisle, not to mention Barbiecore clothes and accessories in the children’s section
@Boahemaa
@Boahemaa 9 ай бұрын
This was brilliant. I was thinking that Barbie is being defended in the same way that women singers like Beyonce get defended whenever their cosplay of liberation language for relatability that translates to album sales and ticket sales gets critiqued. I'm so glad you took it back to Spice Girls because yes of course!
@oooh19
@oooh19 4 ай бұрын
growing up in the 90s my friends and i were very young not even double digits we loved spice girls and it was empowering seeing different kinds of young women in the band and being friends
@deepaws6755
@deepaws6755 9 ай бұрын
Weirdly I actually felt prettier after watching the movie. I think because it really helped heal my inner child with all the pink and glamour but I was very happily surprised that the movie took a feminist turn that I didn’t expect but was happy to see. It wasn’t perfect but touched on how so many women feel.
@anny8720
@anny8720 9 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel like if you were in the target demographic of adult women reconnecting with their childhood and especially if you watched with your mom, the movie was kinda healing. Obviously 'girl power' of Mattel the company is a lot more overtly insidious than the movie but tbh as someone who's been very isolated and hasn't been to a physical theater since pre covid, dressing up in my all pink outfit that I cobbled together last minute from the few all pink clothes I already owned and wearing hot pink pants I hadn't worn in years and walking out after the movie ended was the prettiest I've felt all year as sad as that sounds 😭
@joannelee5574
@joannelee5574 9 ай бұрын
Same LOL, and I’m pretty gnc so I was just giddy dressed like ken lmao I feel like this movie just resonated with me bc so many conversations I have with friends were just said OUT LOUD without worrying about being “too feminist” for a mega mainstream movie (which it isn’t lol, but blockbuster standards are on the floor) I definitely get why people have criticisms, but personally I just feel like there are SO, SO many pressures about the movie being too much, not enough, etc. and I feel like it’s alright it didn’t cover every facet of feminism/society. I personally just found it cathartic, not a super revolutionary feminist insight but just nice to see it talked in a sparkly movie with dance offs. A two-hour movie just isn’t enough to explore every aspect of capitalism, feminism, gender, especially in a movie that literally can’t exist without being signed off by the brand itself. For its limitations, I personally thought it was a fantastic time It’s just a little sad to me that the movie about the FATHER OF THE ATOMIC BOMB seems to have less baggage, but I get that the history of barbie and representations of women is just… so, so goddamn complicated. (Edit: my b for the essay, got carried away about the movie!!)
@wrenclark4907
@wrenclark4907 9 ай бұрын
same!!!! i felt so pretty
@simbelmyne7767
@simbelmyne7767 9 ай бұрын
I agree with everyone in this thread. I can't fix global inequality but I can scrounge and borrow some pink clothes and go see a movie with my friends for the first time in years, and come away with something to talk about. Was it the feminist treatise of the century? No, but it was damn good and for lots of people, this level of feminism IS revolutionary. A baby step is still a step and I was impressed at the amount of good messaging they managed to get into a movie that was THIS fun to watch for such a wide demographic. People forget that "mainstream appeal" can be a good thing. I think it's worth celebrating.
@joannelee5574
@joannelee5574 9 ай бұрын
@@EasyWater Omg, “feminist perfectionism” is the perfect way to put it!! It’s a very all or nothing take for such an absolute iceberg of a subject
@Shlaps
@Shlaps 9 ай бұрын
This entire film screamed "Look guys! We aren't misogynistic anymore and acknowledged our past! Please start buying our toys again!!"
@Shlaps
@Shlaps 9 ай бұрын
It feels a lot like rainbow capitalism. A lot of us hate it but its.. still better than no acknowledgement at all.
@dumbartkid0156
@dumbartkid0156 9 ай бұрын
I disagree. To me and my sister (i'm afab), we felt the film let mattel apologise for their wrongdoings and recognised that while Barbie did empower women, they didn't save the world and also hurt women in different ways.
@dumbartkid0156
@dumbartkid0156 9 ай бұрын
No hate though, a good movie is one that makes people think and it's nice to see a movie that the far-right deemed stupid to be much more profound
@sanpellegrinolimonata
@sanpellegrinolimonata 9 ай бұрын
I mean the board room scenes kinda disprove that. It’s not like Gerwig could overtly say anything too scathing about Mattel but i feel like she got the point across the best she could without getting in trouble w them
@YumFit1
@YumFit1 9 ай бұрын
@@dumbartkid0156 Ah yes. Empower women by exploiting bangladeshi boys who work in factories for 30 cents a day making those dolls
@ezdispenser
@ezdispenser 3 ай бұрын
One of the problems that I've often seen when people talk (or make media) about subverting stereotypes is that in doing so they also tend to uphold those stereotypes as the norm. They seemingly aren't able to phrase things in a way that isn't "Remember, it's okay to be weird and different from everybody else! That doesn't make you an ugly terrible person like they think you are!" Can't we just... exist?? Why do people feel the need to point out how different someone is and then reassure them that being different isn't wrong? Reminding people that they are different from societal norms, even if it's by attempting to "subvert" that stereotype, only reinforces the idea that those societal norms are.... normal. Something expected and unchangeable. It reminds people that they will be judged for being different, and that often prevents those people from being open about their differences out of fear or self-consciousness. A society cannot simultaneously say "We are all different and unique and we respect those differences because everyone is equal" and "People who are too different will be judged by everyone else, and that is something they need to 'overcome' to 'be themselves' " (This was brought on by the part where you commented on how the barbie movie made you feel worse about your body because it reminded you of how high the standards are)
@dorito4448
@dorito4448 9 ай бұрын
I love that you highlight the worker's issues. That's so often ignored in today's consumerised feminism (and so much more important than some stupid girl power product).
@SouravDas-vi1jh
@SouravDas-vi1jh 6 ай бұрын
That's one of the deficits of today's rights movement. Workers' rights are just totally forgotten in the so called left wing
@EverythingLvl
@EverythingLvl 6 ай бұрын
Male movies: mass consumerism on an extraordinary level, adult men buying dolls, products, games, garbage, all of it mass produced One feminist movie: yeah bit did you consider before speaking on women that there are workers, the poor, the disabled, other ethnicities, religions, indigenous, the wartorn, the starving, nsjbdnckxjsnsb
@StanleyNumber427
@StanleyNumber427 5 ай бұрын
"consumerised feminism" Why don't you just call it bourgeois feminism?
@yeehawneehaw5215
@yeehawneehaw5215 4 ай бұрын
@@StanleyNumber427 not everyone reads theory and understands what that is, stop nitpicking and gatekeeping the conversation
@StanleyNumber427
@StanleyNumber427 4 ай бұрын
@@yeehawneehaw5215 You don't need to read [much] theory to know what bourgeois feminism is. Although I'll point out that this aggressive opposition to reading theory is precisely one of the reasons we're still trapped in this capitalist mode of production.
@ruplayinggame3080
@ruplayinggame3080 9 ай бұрын
thank you for the little pro-labor rights treat!! 💝💖💗
@lochlanhanham8308
@lochlanhanham8308 9 ай бұрын
We get to have a little bit of labour rights... as a treat 😁
@totallynotafanficreader7850
@totallynotafanficreader7850 8 ай бұрын
The movie really entertained me-- but not for the same reasons as my friends. I loved the dance choreo, and couple one-liners, the movie is gorgeous! ...but I couldn't understand why one of my friend's was crying during the big "feminist speech". It didn't feel like something to cry over; on the contrary, I was cringing. I've never had any sort of body image problems with Barbie, and I still don't, but I came out a little bitter about their idea of feminism. That speech about "men's expectations for women" felt so obvious, so shoehorned, like they had it in just to say they're progressive. Maybe I'm just a hater, but I really did like the movie! Regardless, there was a tiny seed of cringe inside of me by the end of it. Ironically, Ken's journey of mistreatment and his reaction to it felt more feminist. Still, the music is great and I've never felt negatively impacted by how Barbie looks, so I'll just be here singing along to more Dua Lipa.
@isabellagarcia2861
@isabellagarcia2861 2 ай бұрын
This was such an eloquently spoken and non-cliché criticism of barbie, both the movie and mass-produced product. I cannot emphasize how much of an effect this had on me and I hope in my future writing I can try to do this topic a fraction of the justice you do!!!
@telefonjoker23
@telefonjoker23 9 ай бұрын
From what I've seen, the film does a pretty good job of deconstructing cis men's (toxic) masculinity through Ken (a lot of the praise of the film was more about him than Barbie), but it seems that in case of Barbie herself, the message is again "You can become anyone and do anything....as long as you keep up the appropriate amount of femininity"
@gemmamoon5998
@gemmamoon5998 9 ай бұрын
It really felt like the Ken storyline was saying, “male identity doesn’t have to be defined by control over women and systems.” I thought that part was great. But yeah, Barbie’s storyline was pretty lackluster in its take on feminism, but I guess it was still relatable and fun. I’d watch it again, but it’s not a 10/10 for me :/
@not_you_i_dont_even_know_you
@not_you_i_dont_even_know_you 9 ай бұрын
Huh. That's not the message I took away at all. Instead I walked with encouragement to be more human and enjoy every aspect of my humanity. America Ferrera's monologue about the expectations of women resonated. What were you hoping to see, or rather, what would've changed that message you felt?
@gemmamoon5998
@gemmamoon5998 9 ай бұрын
@@not_you_i_dont_even_know_you Your description reminds me of Overly Sarcastic Production’s analysis of Pinocchio plots-that is, plots that explore what it means to be human. Barbie’s feminist critique might be shallow (as expected from Mattel) but its other themes and plot lines have lots of layers, which I enjoyed.
@lajourdanne
@lajourdanne 9 ай бұрын
@@gemmamoon5998I agree to an extent. Barbie’s feminism storyline might have been lackluster but to be honest, seeing another whit feminism movie would have been really disappointing. She was stereotypical Barbie and as such she got bored and wanted the human experience in the end. She felt like her friends all had things going for them and there was nothing left for her there. I think throwing heavy handed white feminism on top would have diluted that message. So many stories explore the idea of human ideals coming in and destroying a society/community/planet (see Avatar, Pocahontas, Fern Gully, etc.) so simply replacing colonialism with patriarchy isn’t good writing. It isn’t creative and it boils down all conflict to us vs them instead of self exploration.
@gemmamoon5998
@gemmamoon5998 9 ай бұрын
@@lajourdanne The issue is, I feel like it does have a sheen of white feminism, especially with America Ferrera’s monologue about the contradictions of being a woman, and the jokes about cellulite and cat-calling. But yeah, I’m glad it didn’t go any heavier with that stuff. Just hoped it would explore why people are so afraid of feminism and powerful women. BUT nevertheless, I had a great time and there are a lot of wonderful things about this movie, especially as someone who grew up on Barbie movies and Life in the Dreamhouse!
@BrandiG31
@BrandiG31 9 ай бұрын
I agree with this video wholeheartedly. I went to see Barbie expecting it to be a fun goofy movie with a feminist message, but I came out feeling... Confused. I wouldn't mind the film not being groundbreaking except that everyone is treating it like it is
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
That's just feminism where they praise garbage produced by women because it's produced by a woman
@goldjoyproducer
@goldjoyproducer 8 ай бұрын
This!!! Addressing Barbie’s shortcomings is important discourse as well, because understanding why Barbie fell short of expectations helps shed light on what an excellent, nuanced feminist film could actually look like.
@beverlykrejsa5709
@beverlykrejsa5709 8 ай бұрын
Maybe what’s groundbreaking about the movie is not it’s approach to feminism. I came out a bit confused, but did not go in expecting a statement on feminism. I thought it was complex because of many things, but also fun from the humor, the sets! The way travel was presented, the costuming and how Barbie’s costumes became more human as the movie went on, how all parties grew, how I felt sorry for Ken, and uplifted by Barbie’s choices. The musicians and score!! Maybe not groundbreaking, but how so much detail was used, and what fun the cast had that was contagious. It was a good movie with good music and casting and detail. A quote I read was Mattel got comfortable with being uncomfortable, from Robbie, who thought Mattel would not go along with the script. Anyway, agree I came away with many feelings, but the movie made me think.
@bunnywavyxx9524
@bunnywavyxx9524 8 ай бұрын
I agree
@Kindlywaterbear
@Kindlywaterbear 4 ай бұрын
Yes exactly how I was feeling. It’s less about a mainstream film not being radical and more that a lot of people made it seem like it was
@noadehaan5295
@noadehaan5295 8 ай бұрын
Dutchie here. Feminism is considered everywhere here, on the workplace, at home, everywhere. Yet we are not there yet, and most of us feel like we can't complain, since our country is overall further than others. Yes, it's shallow, simple minded feminism, but it starts a topic to talk about. I watched it with my mom and grandma and they said "finally someone that says what we think". Yes its shallow and trying to prove a point that Mattel isnt sexist, but it starts a conversation. A basic conversaation, but one that isn't often held,
@raselaaran7271
@raselaaran7271 3 ай бұрын
It started nothing. Even women hated this trash. Everyone is against each other about this movie. This movie is so confused and generalised as hell.
@agstinacueva1673
@agstinacueva1673 Ай бұрын
Feminsims discourse has been for a decade over this "patriarchy bad" bullshit. Unless you are 12, or white and incredibly privileged.
@evervioletevening
@evervioletevening 9 ай бұрын
i truly love this essay. while watching the movie, i constantly experienced whiplash & the anti-climactic messaging was surprisingly underwhelming. i wanted more nuance to barbie's pink feminism. yes, ultimately weird barbie, allan, and the other discontinued barbies/kens help barbie un-brainwash the others, but they're not included in the celebration. they're barely thanked for helping, or even recognized for how they, too, are affected by the kens' oppression. there was so much room for intersectionality. i truly loved how we got to see barbie with the old lady, but the impact fell apart so easily with how clumsy or shallow the other messaging was. rambling now, but love this video so, so much, it truly voices things that i could not write myself.
@adventuretimeness222
@adventuretimeness222 9 ай бұрын
They didn’t even have Gloria (who’s job is will ferrell’s secretary I believe) get a promotion at the end of the movie. They made all these jokes about how the management at Mattel are all men and then at the end they *let* Gloria come up with her own kind of Barbie (who’s literally called “ordinary Barbie” and is implied to be based off of how she sees herself??) and frame her idea getting green lit as a huge feminist moment.
@adventuretimeness222
@adventuretimeness222 9 ай бұрын
Along with this, they frame her as depressed and uninspired the whole movie. She literally starts playing with barbie again because she is lonely now that her daughter doesn’t talk or hang out with her. She’s married so why does the movie make her husband have less personality than ken and never highlight his failure to be a companion to his wife. Even ken can be a companion and the movie frames ken as annoying, but deserving of Barbie’s friendship basically, but this woman’s who is supposed to be affecting Barbie’s personality and thoughts is lonely so huh??? Gloria’s husband has no job, no opinions and does nothing in the movie but play duo lingo(which he does extremely poorly); he’s not even phased by a real life barbie going to her first gyno appointment???) he’s not even named despite his wife’s whole character is a depressed woman. They try and wipe that all away at the end but Gloria should seriously change more things in her life that saying an idea to the CEO and adopting this infantilized DOLL whose basically like a new stand in for her daughter. A daughter she relied on for friendship now replaced with a stand in daughter that is literally stereotypically perfect and meant to be anyone you imagine her to be. The movie is a mess! Edit: typos
@jessefanshaw8948
@jessefanshaw8948 9 ай бұрын
This was brought up in a tumblr post that said in the end nothing really changed in the real world and Barbieland. Yes Kens got an iota of rights and yes Gloria’s idea is going to be greenlit but that’s not revolutionary. Kens are still second class citizens and Gloria will not benefit from her idea and someone on the board will probably take credit for it. And that’s the point. Nothing changes because i guess gerwig expects the audience to be the onus for change. I don’t really know how to articulate it but you get the sense the the people behind the film are angry themselves at the state of the world and wants to audience to be angry with them so change can be made.
@recreatio
@recreatio 9 ай бұрын
@@jessefanshaw8948 this is a really great take!
@heiext
@heiext 9 ай бұрын
@@jessefanshaw8948good take.
@kuroshimeru2520
@kuroshimeru2520 8 ай бұрын
I see it as an underlying criticism to Mattel, because the idea of the new barbie was only accepted, when another guy said it was a good one. I also like that she didnt get the promotion, bacause the real world still is infused with all these patriarchic ideas and its just not going to change that easily.
@beatafulop7213
@beatafulop7213 9 ай бұрын
I never even expected Barbie to be particularly feminist. Nor did I expect to see myself represented, because I was never the kind of girl/woman represented by Barbie. So yeah. All of this criticism is 100% true, but, as you said, this movie was always going to be like this. On an artistic level, I liked it. It doesn't take itself too seriously, and is mostly just fun and a bit ridiculous. After a decade plus of "superheroes but without all the silly colorful parts" movies, it really did feel like a breath of fresh air. I wish we could have movies like this that are NOT blatant ads for giant corporations.
@BryanCostner
@BryanCostner 8 ай бұрын
This and The Lego Movie proves that you can make movies based on toys without being too much of a giant product placement
@hamsydehamster616
@hamsydehamster616 9 ай бұрын
Finally someone who talks about this while the Barbie movie and its marketing is making so many others ignore the fact that the feminism is so surface level and on the nose. Thank you.
@priyaiddalgi3721
@priyaiddalgi3721 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I completely agree with this critique. It really tried to make so many points but they al fell flat and seemed fake. Another thing that seemed that so off to me in the movie was that when Ken takes over Barbieland and the Barbies finally try to outsmart the Kens, instead of making a good plan, they use JEALOUSY and turn the Kens against each other. This makes it seem like women can't really do anything other than use jealousy and their attractiveness to distract men or whatever. Why couldn't they bring proper reform through reason? Idk this movie mostly icked me out even though it was entertaining in places.
@gemstone108
@gemstone108 8 ай бұрын
Because a last act of a movie with just characters talking things out would be boring
@oooh19
@oooh19 4 ай бұрын
the Kens probably wouldn't listen
@Theroha
@Theroha 4 ай бұрын
It honestly was a good plan. Under patriarchy, the only real threat to a man's position is another man. The Barbies recognized that and planned a strategy to take advantage of it. The core of the film was "patriarchy hurts everyone". The downfall of Kendom Land was patriarchy.
@mikeciul8599
@mikeciul8599 9 ай бұрын
There was a scene where the Barbies try to defeat patriarchy by manipulating the Kens into fighting a war. I was ready to be super excited or super disappointed based on whether they realized that was in fact a key role offered to women in the patriarchy, and it would likely reinforce patriarchal structures of violence and control. In the end I was kind of meh - the Kens seemed to learn a bit from the experience, but the Barbies didn't do as much analysis of it as I hoped. But overall I went in without a lot of expectations and I enjoyed Barbie's emotional journey.
@Mimim0n
@Mimim0n 9 ай бұрын
That's a super interesting take and not something I had considered. When I watched it my first association was that this was supposed to be an equivalent to how under patriarchy women are pitted against each other (e.g. Pick mes, nlogs, tradwives etc.). Because while the Kens went quite overboard with it, at the core of it they were banding together to get out of Barbiearchy, which is a legitimate cause. I wish it had been a Ken minority that went full redpill with the majority simply wanting equal rights and representation in Barbieland. And I wish they had been granted just that in the end, I think it would've made the ending a little less convoluted at least
@tamamura9624
@tamamura9624 9 ай бұрын
@@Mimim0n I had the same interpretation as you, the barbies (which have the same power as men in the real world) pit the kens against eachother and maintain their own power. Only in their case, this was justified, because the ken solution was extreme (similar to early feminist movements, but with an easier rise to power). I do think that the kens only getting low ranking positions in the barbie government instead of proper representation and being ok with it is also relfective of the real world. women typically have lower positions and less power, so the slightest bit of it can make you proud and happy, and allows you to ignore the power imbalance, at least for a bit. it was just put a lot more blatantly in the movie
@professorbutters
@professorbutters 9 ай бұрын
@@Mimim0nI think that’s an important point, because the very first thing that Ken notices is that people look at him with respect. ANY respect, because in Barbieland, there is none. He can only bring back symbols of the manosphere: not patriarchy, which takes time to develop. He can only turn the tables, not build anything new.
@abstractforest4546
@abstractforest4546 9 ай бұрын
This is exactly how I felt! Have you read The Power by Naomi Alderman? It is essentially breaking down how *all* power structures are bad and the world wouldn’t suddenly be better if women are on top rather than men. The premise of the book is that women wake up one day with a deadly superpower that transforms them into the powerful ones using. Much like Barbie, they end up using tools of the patriarchy (in this case, physical violence) to achieve the aims. But the book actually critiques it.
@mikeciul8599
@mikeciul8599 9 ай бұрын
@@abstractforest4546 sounds cool! I think role reversal is a very tricky sort of commentary to get right. It's easy for the privileged to use the story to paint themselves as victims, which is missing the point in a really problematic way. I thought the movie did all right in that respect.
@ChelCM03
@ChelCM03 9 ай бұрын
I've loved Barbie ever since I was a little girl. I remember getting my first Barbie and dreamhouse for Christmas when I was 4 at Christmas. I really really really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was fun, theatrical, full of heart and a proper homage to Barbie's history. But I totally understand that this movie wasn't this big feminist masterpiece. Barbie, like literally everything nowadays, is a brand. Every TV series and movie is to sell tickets and merch, media corporations just want more money. Although Barbie was definitely made with waaaaaaaay more love and care than any of Disney's recent live action remakes no one asked for or any movie based on an already existing property, it doesn't escape this problem. However, where the movie lacks in "feminist" ideals, I feel like the Barbie movie does a way better job at talking about toxic masculinity and how harmful it is to both men AND women. Barbie experiencing sexual harassment and assault in the real world was jarring for her. She never experienced men being so disrespectful to her before, meanwhile Ken finally feels respected. In Barbieland the Kens don't have much if any power, and Ken felt like he wasn't being respected by Barbie. He goes to the real world and see men dominating the work force and athletics and stuff, and he finally feels understood and validated. Then when he brings the patriarchy to Barbieland, he does it to lash out at Barbie. He yells "You failed me!" in anger and frustration cause he didn't feel respected. The Barbie movie is a much better commentary on how toxic masculinity is harmful, and often a result of men being hurt and humiliated. Young boys find solidarity in the red pill community because their feelings are validated, and as a result they lash out at women, when the problem is their own standards. Ken brought all these specific rules for behavior because he thought it would earn Barbie's respect. But at the end of the movie, Ken says it was hard being a leader, and he's embarrassed to cry in front of Barbie, when she then tells him its okay. She apologizes to HIM. A lot of people have said "if this was TRULY a feminist movie then Barbieland should have been equal for Barbies AND Kens" and all I have to say is that it wasn't the point. The narrator even says "And soon one day the Kens will have just as much power in Barbieland as women do in the real world." Like thats the joke, its satire. Kens not having much power in Barbieland is a direct comparison to our world and how women STILL need to fight to be treated with respect in 2023. Thats the point of that ending. I could also say that the Barbie movie does a much better job at telling men AND women, "You DONT need to do everything in order to be worthy of respect. Simply existing as a human being should be enough. And there are many people happy with being ordinary, and thats okay" Stereotypical Barbie didn't want to be extraordinary, she just wanted to exist. She was happy doing normal things and simply being alive experiencing the wide range of human emotions. Being a human being is enough Anyway that was my take on the Barbie movie. Was it a feminist masterpiece? No. Did it excel in other areas? Very much. Was it a fun theater experience? Absolutely. I got dressed up and everything
@simbelmyne7767
@simbelmyne7767 9 ай бұрын
Well put!!
@Bluarlequinno
@Bluarlequinno 9 ай бұрын
I agree with this, I had all this thoughts but couldn't put them down, I agree with this comment very much, but at the end of the day is a brand so take away the positives, but don't forget it's a product at the end and be conscious I guess, still this comment embodies my thoughts of it in a way
@katlyndobransky2419
@katlyndobransky2419 9 ай бұрын
I completely agree, and a lot of people think that Barbie wanted to be human in order to be a mother. Which I think is beautiful. It connects with the mother character’s point that being a mother is enough for some women
@SMACKADOOS
@SMACKADOOS 9 ай бұрын
good comment
@Tralvan
@Tralvan 9 ай бұрын
I think the film was great because the "feminist ideals" were a bit washed down, as I think the movie would never have its current success if it went a more radical route, so by still bringing up many "feminist ideals" albeit a washed down version, it still exposes a lot of womens issues in society not only to people who were already aware of those issues anyways because they've read feminist literature or something, but brings it in digestable form to many "normal" people including men who haven't really been exposed to those topics in a deeper way.
@HPLovewrath
@HPLovewrath 8 ай бұрын
This isn’t my take personally, but I watched another video (it was on instagram so sorry I can’t link it) by a Jewish woman who criticized Barbie’s very concept, which goes against what a lot of people say. Basically the doll Barbie was based off of stemmed from a comic made during nazi Germany where she was a very sexist stereotype, while also asserting super white supremacist ideals of what a woman should look like. Many people look at this story and think it incredible that a formerly nazi character was turned into an empowering doll by a Jewish woman, but the person I was watching disagreed. Instead she pointed to the fact that during the time Barbie was created Jews were trying incredibly hard to assimilate into American culture, and she saw it as a more of a sad story where a Jewish woman enforced a stereotype of beauty that was based in Aryan ideals. I personally am not Jewish so I can’t give that much of an opinion aside from the fact I find it interesting, but I will say Barbie never ever sat right with me. I’ve heard a lot of people in the wake of this movie say “it wasn’t Barbie that made me hate myself, it was society,” but as a an AFAB person I have to say that Barbie, while not the root cause, contributed heavily to my self-esteem issues. Sure, Barbie didn’t create these standards of beauty, and it wasn’t the doll telling me I was ugly compared to my peers, but being called fat and ugly throughout my childhood took on a certain punch when the people who were saying that happened to look just like Barbie and idolize it as the best doll. I mean, Barbie literally had a doll that came with a magazine saying not to eat! I do get that Barbie was a big deal since basically all girls had beforehand was baby dolls, but how empowering could barbie truly be when many of the outfits she originally had were for jobs like housewife cook?
@oooh19
@oooh19 4 ай бұрын
keep in mind Barbie came out in 1959 so most women (the Silent generation, the Greatest generation, and older generations at that time in history) were housewives and it was the goal to marry, move to the suburbs, and have children in a single family home. women were entering into jobs that weren't open to them previously. look at mad men. the women on the show and how that decade the norms changed: Betty was unhappy despite achieving the ultimate goal. Peggy moved up the ladder in her office.
@__________yuyu
@__________yuyu 9 ай бұрын
I remember being annoyed about the big feminism speech because the Barbies have zero idea of what being a woman feels like. They are dolls and have never faced true patriarchy, only the play antics of the Kens. It was a great speech, but it just didn't apply to the Barbies in my eyes and was obviously just there to show off to the audience how progressive the movie was trying to be.
@TheQueenofNeckbeards
@TheQueenofNeckbeards 9 ай бұрын
agreed, the thing that sticks out most to me is that we know damn well most of the merchandise for this movie was made using sweatshop labor, not very girl power to exploit other people, including many women, in foreign countries.
@nerychristian
@nerychristian 8 ай бұрын
Well, pretty much anything made in China is made that way. Not just toys.
@bloodfiredrake7259
@bloodfiredrake7259 7 ай бұрын
I like how the fact that women are being exploited is more important than the fact that men are being exploited.
@TheQueenofNeckbeards
@TheQueenofNeckbeards 7 ай бұрын
@@bloodfiredrake7259 only in relation to this movie focusing on female empowerment, can’t say i’m in favor of abusing humans of any gender.
@puffena9013
@puffena9013 4 ай бұрын
@@bloodfiredrake7259 You can reasonably argue that if female empowerment is all a person cares about that they could oppress men without contradiction. You cannot do the same if they oppress women too. It’s to point out the contradiction
@cmgold00
@cmgold00 9 ай бұрын
“It’s a mainstream film made for the widest possible audience trying to reach everyone at the same time without saying anything of any real substance” loved that and I also think the same thing could be said about Oppenheimer. Great video!!
@ninagrace-lee8323
@ninagrace-lee8323 9 ай бұрын
Idk I feel like Oppenheimer was more of a mirror - self reflection. We become the main character trying to determine if the means justify the end. I got what I came for, and didn’t feel blindsided Barbie was too all over the place from a marketing standpoint, so no one knew what to expect. So we have conservatives and liberals missing the point bc there were too many points to make. Too much confusion about who the film was intended for and why
@aliciacarreno5855
@aliciacarreno5855 9 ай бұрын
trueeeeeeeeeeee
@nicholaskatsikas4904
@nicholaskatsikas4904 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely disagree about the Oppenheimer take. I think the film has a lot of substance behind it and a lot to ponder. Oppenheimer is also biopic examining a certain figure in history and often a good biopic gives a nuanced view of its subject without totally taking one side or another unless the actions of said historical figure were more often good.
@camillecioffi5086
@camillecioffi5086 9 ай бұрын
i agree that this statement applies to barbie but when it comes to oppenheimer i completely disagree. oppenheimer was made for a wide audience, yes, but the message was absolutely of substance. it had one of the most powerful messages of a film that i’ve ever seen, with the critique of how we create our own destruction and how we give so much of our attention to relatively small issues (the whole third act with oppenheimer’a trial and strauss’ agenda against him) and how this takes so much attention away from the real issues (the creation of the atomic bomb and how that would forever change our society and the way we wage war). oppenheimer ABSOLUTELY has a message of substance, and more people should be taking that message and thinking deeply about it because of the ways it comes up in modern society.
@ryanlocke1117
@ryanlocke1117 9 ай бұрын
what do u like good lord
@jillfanning749
@jillfanning749 9 ай бұрын
“It’s (Barbie) just a bunch of faux feminist marketing” that sums it up
@Nopinopa
@Nopinopa 2 ай бұрын
I just LOVE how you give reference to EVERY fact and research you mention so we could check it ourselves.
@kinpact6100
@kinpact6100 9 ай бұрын
It is hard finding a review about this movie that isn't just "Uhh feminism *spit* bad" but finally found the actual level headed, objective take I was looking for that can actually see the movie for what it really is, while showing me the injustices of mattel and a not public enough perspective on what barbie truly is. Glad I found this.
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
But it literally is a feminist bad movie
@gioorlando7985
@gioorlando7985 8 ай бұрын
No it isn't, you are watching the wrong side to see feminism.
@user-rv7ge1tc4l
@user-rv7ge1tc4l 4 ай бұрын
@@clarkkent4665@clarkkent4665 I'd say it is a 2-hour-long attempt at improving Mattel's reputation, if anything.
@catherineluk2414
@catherineluk2414 9 ай бұрын
i watched this movie two days ago and the only word i could use to describe my takeaway was "underwhelmed". this video just read my mind and so constructively put together everything the movie was lacking. there was nothing new said in this movie, gloria's speech is a regurgitation of so many tiktok audios and i couldn't find a real lesson to be learned. i walked out of that theatre just realizing how little commentary they made on the real issues of women in the current society and played exactly into that.
@johannesschutz780
@johannesschutz780 9 ай бұрын
and yet this shallow commentary lead to soooooo much outrage
@azules3435
@azules3435 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I watched the movie weeks after it came out and given the medias reaction, I expected a way more in depth show of feminism. I mean really, the only thing that shocked me about the movie was when they pointed out pregnant barbie was discontinued due to being too "weird"
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
What new could they say about feminism that hasn't already been said? I love how the complain of feminists now is that it wasn't feminist enough
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
​@@johannesschutz780Perhaps because it IS shallow commentary
@greenluxi
@greenluxi 9 ай бұрын
@@johannesschutz780 Literally someone sneezing in the wrong direction could incite outrage in today's world. All those people making a fuss were trying to ride the coattails of the huge attention Barbie was getting. Attention the studios bought by pumping an ungodly amount of money into the marketing for this movie. There's a parasitic economy that has formed based simply on outrage content. Think of the amount of money Ben Shapiro made from going on his Barbie rant? I think people need to start putting these "outrage" trends into context. We no longer have a society where we share the same cultural spaces, people aren't just watching the same 3 network channels, there are just some many factions of people that it doesn't really make sense to say that just because one group of outrage content makers saw that there was money to be made by attaching their latest rant to a topical viral subject like Barbie---that doesn't mean that most people actually gave a fuck about Barbie, or that there was some big pushback against it. Barbie is the highest-grossing movie of the year, clearly, a small subset of people online did nothing to stop the success of the movie. In fact, symbiotically, the oppositional content probably drove more people to see it than otherwise would, that's why one of the more nefarious marketing techniques in modern internet times is to encourage negative content for whatever project you are launching because then it becomes an "us vs them" and people become more enthusiastic about your project because they feel like its success is fighting against the negative people, and then some of the negative people inadvertently also support the project by hate watching it. It feels weird that we've been in the thick of the internet culture for over 15 years now, and people still don't really pick up on this tactic. The producers of Barbie were happy there was backlash because it drove more sales, and the people doing the backlash were happy Barbie was made and was so popular so that they could get some money pretending to be outraged by it. A match made in heaven.---These are the kinds of strategies marketers get paid millions of dollars to orchestrate.
@carlonie9036
@carlonie9036 9 ай бұрын
As much as I loved the movie (and I really really enjoyed it!!), it made me feel really self-conscious of the cellulite I’ve had for years (which I’ve been insecure of my whole life). I’m sure it wasn’t the movie’s intention, but ever since I saw it and saw that cellulite was portrayed in more of a negative way I can’t help but feel worse about it. I’m pretty sure that that part was put in the movie to point out how ridiculous something small like cellulite could affect Barbie since she’s used to smooth legs and perfection among other things, I have no clue and I don’t know. When you brought up that when you left the movie it made you feel self-conscious of yourself it kind of solidified that for me as well. The cellulite joke in the movie was great and all and I found it funny when they had it on the goodbye banner and stuff, but I guess it struck a chord and left me more insecure about my body than I was previously (and I’m still really insecure and self-conscious about it). I loved the Barbie movie though!! I definitely recommend going to see it more than once since I felt there were some plot holes, but it was overall really good!! Plus dressing up for it too of course. I waited for over a year for this movie and it’s nice to finally see it :) :)
@lavernebennet7395
@lavernebennet7395 7 ай бұрын
I feel really similarly about a bit in Twelve Forever that portrayed scoliosis as a gross and undesirable effect of puberty. Like damn, I guess having a screwed up back makes me a monster, thanks for that.
@philbattiste9649
@philbattiste9649 4 ай бұрын
Another thing I noticed in Barbie that didn't quite sit right with me is the ending for all the Kens in Barbieland. I'll start with a disclaimer that I am a cis male who saw this movie, just to make my perspective clear. At the end, the Barbies regain power, and decide that maybe someday, the Kens might be kind of (but also not really) equal to the Barbies. That struck me as a really odd choice for something claiming to be feminist art, because it never addressed why the Kens felt ostracized or abused in the first place. And even though it did the bare minimum to recognize that inequality exists, it comes across as vindictive that the Kens must be punished by Barbie society for lashing out against their oppressors. I'm not saying that Ken's actions are excusable, but I am saying that true feminism would explore his motive and try to remedy the situation in a way that is fair to all residents of Barbieland. Because feminism isn't supposed to be just about girl power. Feminism is supposed to be about treating all people with respect. It's hard for me to see Barbieland as feminist when it seems really hesitant to give any respect to half its residents.
@HikariMichi42
@HikariMichi42 4 ай бұрын
You're right. But I (a woman) interpreted that as intentional satire. In the real world men initially held all the power. Then when the voices of women demanding equal rights became loud enough, they were given slightly more space and power, but mostly as a token gesture. And all the progress made since then has been slow and incremental. Barbieland is the inverse of that situation. It's a matriarchy where the Kens initially hold no power at all. Then the Kens demand equal rights, and the Barbies (slightly reluctantly) only offer them small token positions in the government. Then the narrator states that eventually Kens will maybe hold as much power as women do in the real world. Meaning, still not as much as men (or Barbies, in the movie's scenario). It's commentary on how difficult it is to change the status quo, since the people who are currently in power are reluctant to give it away.
@AuroniRahman
@AuroniRahman 5 күн бұрын
@@HikariMichi42 yes! i feel like a lot of people kinda miss that... barbieland is quite literally just a saccharine, sanitised, reversal of the patriarchy. (ofc its sanitised because i feel lots of misogyny is rooted in reproductive systems, division of labour, motherhood and fatherhood, and yada yada yada, which barbies and kens don't have. they just kinda spawn idk) to me ken feels like me when i was an angry little girl who realised that women have it rough. and i think thats what barbie was going for in way. ken sees that in the real world, kens have power, not barbies, so he brings the patriarchy to barbieland, but the barbies squash that because you know, ruling class gotta rule... or something... its been a while since i watched the movie lol. its like when i got stuck in man-hating echo chambers for a while, where matriarchy is the One Acceptable Gender Divide and now i'm like... wasn't the whole point that there was no gender war??? wouldn't a matriarchy have its own problems??? but whatever, there's no point theorising on that now - we have our own shit to solve in this timeline! and for OP's comment on seeing barbieland as feminist: i don't think barbieland is feminist because barbieland never needed feminism. feminism is a response to male oppression but... barbies don't need that. its kens who need the male-empowerment version of feminism (andronism?) and the fact that barbies aren't willing to do that is a comment on the real life system.
@zenpie5093
@zenpie5093 9 ай бұрын
I think the movie was a good start to the topic of feminism for an audience that might not be that much into that topic. But sure it’s lacking in depth and I wish it would have had more time. Ps: of course it’s a capitalist movie that is trying to sell a brand so it can only get that critical and self aware. I still think it did the best it could.
@gemmamoon5998
@gemmamoon5998 9 ай бұрын
It’s weird because it’s feminism felt so child-oriented, like “baby’s first feminist critique,” but the movie was definitely for middle schoolers and above, most of whom have already been exposed to these subjects. Edit: autocorrect is dumb
@spookyho5994
@spookyho5994 9 ай бұрын
that actually describes it pretty well
@BurnBluefireK
@BurnBluefireK 9 ай бұрын
My biggest hope for the film is that it hit people while their guard was down. I think this will be true for a lot of women in their late 30s and onwards who still haven't really recognized or internalized that their experiences are a systemic experience. I think a lot of people just went because they thought it would be a movie for their kids, despite the rating, and that's the exact audience I hope it does the most for.
@gemmamoon5998
@gemmamoon5998 9 ай бұрын
@@BurnBluefireK That’s a great interpretation of it; I really like that viewpoint.
@helenpetersen447
@helenpetersen447 9 ай бұрын
@@BurnBluefireKme too!
@FruitBasketyay
@FruitBasketyay 9 ай бұрын
I was feeling this through the movie and no one else seemed to be able to see past the fun and hype for the movie. This is validating thank you
@notaburneraccount
@notaburneraccount 9 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the movie and don't plan to for my own reasons. I really appreciated this video.
@WhenYoureAround
@WhenYoureAround 9 ай бұрын
Agreed! So freaking validating. Most people I’ve talked to defend it bc “it’s not serious, it’s just for fun”, but ignores the serious issues it has.
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
Those people are called misogynists
@thisrandomdude2846
@thisrandomdude2846 14 күн бұрын
this is possibly one of the best video essays I will see this year, INCREDIBLY jampacked with nuances and commentary on all sorts of different facets, and the dryness with which you conveyed them made for a seriously entertaining watch for something that causes you to question so much at the same time. the quote and delivery on "is liberation factory made? and if so who's working in the factory :|" was harrowing and hilarious, I loved that part :P
@TheLyricalCleric
@TheLyricalCleric 8 ай бұрын
The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. (Audre Lorde) By the same token, feature length advertisements will never never stop being the advertisements they are paid to be. Whether it’s the Nike movie, the Barbie movie, the Transformers movie, or whatever. Our childhoods were filled with advertising covered up with paper-thin stories to appeal to the common denominator in social classes-boys like war, girls like fashion! Those properties will never give us anything but the advertisement.
@myribunt5261
@myribunt5261 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing about the real women making the toys :( I cant stand how aweful their conditions are :( This whole thing is so upseting and reflects most big buisnesses. I just feel so depressed about the world.
@yachatta5997
@yachatta5997 9 ай бұрын
😢
@msmknz
@msmknz 9 ай бұрын
The words "carefree consumption" hit me hard. I can't tell you how much the idea of winning a "toys'r'us shopping spree ruined my brain in ways I haven't come close to recovering from. Wow.
@j9-a
@j9-a 9 ай бұрын
I guess is not Barbie's fault, America works around carefree consumption, she just reflect it and become a target because is easier to point the product than the system itself
@Its_Runa
@Its_Runa 9 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! This was an incredible explanation as to why I felt it was lacking and how empty I felt after watching it.
@pheeble29
@pheeble29 5 ай бұрын
when I started this video I had planned to finish it later but I was compelled to watch it all the way through. this was amazing!! so many good points I haven't seen other people bring up yet♥♥♥
@idrinkandiknowthings9738
@idrinkandiknowthings9738 9 ай бұрын
I loved this movie I think we could always do better but just to have a movie speak to the female experience and expose young women, at least even if it’s a little taste, it felt good honestly it left me feeling community with women
@spookyho5994
@spookyho5994 9 ай бұрын
definitely agree
@helenpetersen447
@helenpetersen447 9 ай бұрын
I 100% agree!
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet 9 ай бұрын
yes, i wish the movie was more about that instead of having the whole "ken takes over barbieland" plotline. The only times the movie was truly "great" was when it featured quiet, self reflective scenes. Like the bench scene or the montage.
@CharlieTaggart
@CharlieTaggart 9 ай бұрын
I agree
@slushiefromzolar
@slushiefromzolar 9 ай бұрын
I often get scared to watch videos that are critical of movies I like because “what it ruins it for me?” But this video was awesome. You had a lot of good points and brought up things I wouldn’t have thought of. It’s great to have a new perspective, keep it up!
@DriftPiss9000
@DriftPiss9000 9 ай бұрын
same
@yachatta5997
@yachatta5997 9 ай бұрын
Ikr, I saw the thumbnail of this video before watching the movie, and while watching the movie I kept thinking, I wonder what my fave lefty critics think about this scene. It took away some of my immersion and enjoyment.
@wthistreasureisummon
@wthistreasureisummon 9 ай бұрын
that's how i feel too, i did enjoy watching the movie and really liked it but i'm scared that the critic videos are going to end up ruining it for me
@agstinacueva1673
@agstinacueva1673 9 ай бұрын
Are yall like 14 or did someone fail to teach you critical thinking skills
@titandarknight2698
@titandarknight2698 9 ай бұрын
@@agstinacueva1673 Critical thinking skills got nothing to do with this. Sometimes people want to enjoy a story without hearing about all its criticisms. Let live
@shadowpicaro
@shadowpicaro 9 ай бұрын
thank you so much for making this, it's been tough for me to explain to my friends & family what i dislike about barbie and they just say i'm too cynical/etc. i kinda had to give up and say i liked it anyway.
@mikoevelynn111
@mikoevelynn111 4 ай бұрын
13:20 I understand the point you're trying to make here, but I think painting the Disney Beauty and the Beast 1991 story in this way is very disingenuous to what the film actually portrays. Belle made an agreement with the Beast, in exchange for her father to be set free. He didn't imprison her, he was actually shocked that she'd stay in his place. Belle refuses to even see the Beast in the beginning, even when he was being "nice". She had no hesitations with running after the Beast lashed out at her. He screamed at her to "get out" and she did. When the Beast saved her from the wolves, you can see how she initially goes to her horse to leave but changes her mind. The Beast showed regret the moment she left and then risked getting injured to save Belle. Even when they go back to the castle, Belle isn't meek about her frustrations with the Beast! She doesn't start falling in love with him until he shows actual change! It's the servants that are the ones actively excited at the chance of Belle being the one to break the spell. The Beast voices how he knows that Belle could break the spell, but in the beginning he is doing the bare minimum to get her affection. The Beast didn't keep her there because he wanted her to fall in love with him, it was because of their agreement. If you genuinely believe this is what the movie showcased, please just go rewatch the movie. Don't just reuse the same "stockholme syndrome" takes that have gotten immensely popular and ignore a lot of the movie. It makes the point you're trying to make, weaker.
@lex6576
@lex6576 9 ай бұрын
your commentary is spot on, I was unsure when I left the movie that I felt sort of unfulfilled. The watered down feminism, seems like they were just trying to hit quotas, they put 2 plus size barbies, one disable barbie and one trans barbie and that's all the representation these communities need. They tried to appear "anti-capitalist" with the goofy CEO and the executives but you also need to buy the barbie chatime tea, buy the barbie crocs, buy the new barbie clothing at cotton on and forever 21, buy barbie makeup at Ulta. This movie was made to make people spend money. They spit out broad feminist statements that essentially any decent person watching the movie would agree with as the movie can't tackle any real issues but only the looming idea of the patriarchy.
@NedawdekkodKemam
@NedawdekkodKemam 9 ай бұрын
It’s basic feminism but men even in America (idk about western europe) freaked out about it
@uniquechaos
@uniquechaos 9 ай бұрын
this , and even in the end it was still up to barbie (women) to make Ken (men) feel better about themselves & to validate his feelings & essentially made it to where ken had to take no responsibility for the way that he acted the entire film
@ratatouisvuitton864
@ratatouisvuitton864 9 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! I don't get why people are giving it so much credit- All they did was throw around a bunch of miscellaneous buzzy feminist concepts that most people who aren't raging misogynists can agree with, without doing the hard work of properly applying them to the story and showing the real life implications, starting an actual conversation.
@NicoleDSK
@NicoleDSK 9 ай бұрын
I would have liked to see some commentary on the plus sized barbies... as it was it felt like they were glossing over the whole barbie body thing. The plus sized ones should have been named Happy to be Me and Lamilly.
@thesevenkingswelove9554
@thesevenkingswelove9554 9 ай бұрын
It was basic femininsm but still some are saying it's misandry.. Make it make sense
@supergrasshoppergirl
@supergrasshoppergirl 9 ай бұрын
T H I S. I feel millenials are the first generation to be successfully coporation-ized. Our whole identities are tied to the products we consume, because we associate childhood wonder with the products we consumed when we were kids. And as generations go by, this seems to be becoming a bigger and bigger problem.
@kerruhhh6954
@kerruhhh6954 9 ай бұрын
shoutout capitalism gotta love it
@mrmcvittles1686
@mrmcvittles1686 9 ай бұрын
Yes. And I’m sorry that happened, I feel like we GenX watched it happen- we fought it, rejected corporate consumer culture but the behemoth system and government coupled with corporate greed triggered a tidal wave that has been washing away substance and education and critical thinking for the masses ever since-Very few commenters in this feed seem to understand their place in history and the context of this movie.
@sofiya7683
@sofiya7683 9 ай бұрын
Searched for this comment. Now I can rest😂 I had shivers running down my spine several times while watching this video.
@YoungNaturalista
@YoungNaturalista 9 ай бұрын
Beautifully said
@David-ww2sg
@David-ww2sg 9 ай бұрын
so true. The way a lot of nostalgia and intimate memories of childhood are so closely connected to corporations and consumerism highlight the growing concerns we should have for these totalitarian entities.
@margotl2418
@margotl2418 9 ай бұрын
The film was supposed to be empowering for girls but when Barbie went into the real world and saw how women thought about her it felt like the film was blaming women?
@OlivePapyrus
@OlivePapyrus 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. It really highlights the horrors we all pretend to ignore and never question.
@ThymeFlies42
@ThymeFlies42 3 ай бұрын
thank you for this video. its a massive part of the conversation that ive not seen being had i dont think anyone who actually is trying to change things would rally behind a movie thats main reason to exists is to sell a toy
@paularubio2527
@paularubio2527 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for your video!! My sister and I both came out of the movie with a sense of disappointment we couldn’t explain, but when we started talking we came to this same conclusion: the film tries to say so many things and ends up saying nothing. Non of the problems have any kind of consecuences, not even in Barbieland -a fantasy world where anything could happen- where Kens are still considered inferior (and, of course, no changes or inclusion in the Mattel CEO team). It was a cool movie to watch, but I just wish they didn’t try so hard to present it as role-breaking and super progresive because it came out so flat it ruined the experience of a movie that could just have been fun. It seems strange to me everyone is loosing their minds over how good it is (i’ve read articles ranking it as one of the best films of the decade) and so little criticism about something that felt so obvious to both my sister and i
@odiledrawsmessythings
@odiledrawsmessythings 9 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly! The word that kept coming to mind was "flat" and I truly cannot understand the glorification of this movie
@She_Sordid
@She_Sordid 9 ай бұрын
Ive watched a lot of reviews for barbie and everyone was saying it's progressive and a feminist movie while ignoring the fact that Kens are inferior and that there is a matriarchy. The whole point of feminism is for everyone to be equal not flip society on it's head the way barbieland is presented to us
@karakanb3039
@karakanb3039 9 ай бұрын
Did they try to present it as groundbreaking tho? There was a lot of marketing, but I feel like it was mostly centred around being unapologetically girly - and how that doesn't disqualify it from being about something important. The part about the most groundbreaking piece of feminist media to date, that came from the internet and its expectations. And it *was* about several important things, regardless of how well we think it portrayed them. And it *was* fun and full of pink. There are A LOT of faults to this movie, but I don't think it's fair to judge it for expectations it did not set itself.
@marte1376
@marte1376 9 ай бұрын
​@@She_Sordiddepends on what kind of feminist but equality is not the answer, since men and women are different historically
@marte1376
@marte1376 9 ай бұрын
honestly, why are you all so disapointed, this movie is awesome, is an absolute masterpiece and I think speaks really well about so many issues people deal in theIr day to day life. Not because this movie is written about a feminist woman, is mandatory to Greta to find and give the ultimate solutions about mysogyny. A woman must not carry on her shoulders those expectations, that is the million dollar question, how do we transit to more empathethic societies not pursuing equality but equity. All of you that didnt like the movie and feel so superior in comparison to others who are less educated on the subject< ask yourself what are your contributions to a better world, seems you got all the answers and maybe should be doing your own movie
@margoalex.
@margoalex. 9 ай бұрын
Quick correction: Barbie actually wasn't the first non-baby doll to be successful in America and the Bild Lilli doll wasn't actually intended for men. The mjtanner channel on KZfaq made a great video on this but basically, to simplify it, Mattel has rewritten history to make it seem like Barbie was the first and best of its kind. Also the point of the original Beauty and the Beast movie isn't that Belle learns to love the beast. It's that the beast learns to love her and therefore learns to put another person's needs in front of his own. Lindsay Ellis also made a good video about this.
@Lily-nx5yd
@Lily-nx5yd 9 ай бұрын
That’s really interesting, I’m gunna check these videos out too!
@cynsational7225
@cynsational7225 9 ай бұрын
I believe the Beauty and the Beast movie is based on other folktales that represented arranged marriages
@giselle_kvm
@giselle_kvm 9 ай бұрын
Thank. You. There's a lot of things in this video that irked me.
@samf.s.7731
@samf.s.7731 9 ай бұрын
I have a confession, I like Disney's original Beauty and The Beast. Yes, it's not a movie about Belle falling in the love with the beast, it's the other way around 😊 My parents used to watch it with me when I was a child, my sister and brother were there too. I loved it 😊
@ethansloan
@ethansloan 9 ай бұрын
That Lindsay Ellis video is an absolute classic. I was reminded of it while watching Barbie, about how she talks about the remake specifically bringing up a bunch of bad-faith criticisms of the first film to create an air of progressiveness without actually addressing any genuine criticisms that may have existed. Like in Barbie, they have Gloria's daughter (name escapes me at the moment) give her little rant about how sexist and regressive Barbie is, and it's over the top and clearly exaggerated so we're meant to view all of those critiques, and any others that aren't stated, as incorrect and foolish. But the film doesn't address why she has these opinions. It doesn't address why her opinions change over the course of the film. While it does sort of talk about the sexist parts of her critique, I recall her saying something about capitalism or consumerism or something to that effect, and that certainly doesn't get addressed. Or does it? When the male Mattel exec talks about not caring if his company makes money, he only wants to empower girls, was that the film addressing the capitalist critique? I liked the movie, it was a lot of fun, but I went in expecting to absolutely love it, so I felt a little let down. I think it would have worked better had they not made token attempts to handwave every possible criticism of Barbie and just stuck with using Barbie and Ken to talk about patriarchy and sexism. Or they could have used Barbie to focus more on Gloria and her daughter and talk about things like body image, and female relationships, or traditional vs non-traditional femininity. The movie tried to do so much that it doesn't really focus on and nail down any one aspect, which results in it tacitly endorsing a lot of kind of problematic stuff. Still, it has possibly the best final line a Hollywood movie has ever had. That alone was worth the price of admission.
@melindawolfUS
@melindawolfUS 9 ай бұрын
I HATED the Barbie movie. I found it deeply INSULTING. It was poorly written, with too many themes it didn't nail down properly. And at the end we still had Kens being treated as lower-class citizens and Barbie just wanted to wear comfortable shoes and see a gynecologist for her new real lady parts? Female anatomy was the height of her feminism and the culmination of your journey despite her never mentioning that's what she wanted??? I shook my head and said "you've got to be kidding me". It addressed cellulite and aging as a terrible thing and never showed us any different in the story. One comment to an old lady does not count as a full story arc. At no point did Barbie embrace that for herself or lose her Hollywood beauty nor make a choice that would show her prioritizing anything above looking good and having her house back. The Barbies being tricked so easily by the Kens made them look insanely stupid. I sat there wondering if the film was also insulting real women for "falling for misogyny". And it was soooo easy for the Barbies to reverse, are they trying to say real women aren't trying hard enough? This whole film is a joke on women, men and feminism. I have no idea who this movie was even made for. I'm fairly conservative and the lack of respect to women was infuriating. Yet so many women are eating it up? It makes me feel sick. They're applauding a joke at their expense. They're paying to be pandered and talked down to. Barbie should have been so much better. It could have been a fun, campy, girl-power movie. But while it looked that way from the marketing, I found it a major bait-and-switch scam with a bitter pill to swallow, instead. I'll never buy another Barbie. Not as a gift, nor as a collectable. I'm so tired of their shallow view of women. I loved her growing up but I feel totally betrayed by the both the film and the Barbie factory conditions. Shame on Mattel. I'm sad they're green-lighting 17 more films based on toys because they obviously learned the wrong message from "Barbie".
@ivyfuss3350
@ivyfuss3350 4 ай бұрын
Your take sucks. The movie has fresh jokes that are laughed at by many women because they’re true, but then we sigh and say “oh, that’s why it’s a good joke, because it’s true.” If you actually took time to think about the movie afterwards, you would realise this too, Karen. Media literacy is dying because of people like you- you do you not realise that the Kens are a parallel to women in the real world, and at the end when they “try to fix society”, Kens are still at a huge disadvantage. HELLO?? That’s women in the modern day!!! And men say it’s all fixed now!!! That’s the whole point!!! Also “I’m fairly conservative” that’s all we needed to hear. You don’t belong here, find someone else to spout your right winged views to.
@TrueBlackJew
@TrueBlackJew 5 ай бұрын
This is THE BEST review/breakdown of the barbie movie and brand I've EVER seen!! Thanks for making this. I learned SO MUCH.
@09philj
@09philj 9 ай бұрын
Barbie is an avatar of the American middle class consumerist woman herself repackaged as a consumer product and is a subject of constant fascination and controversy over her sexual nature. Therefore the correct director for the Barbie movie was actually David Cronenberg.
@TyrannoNoddy
@TyrannoNoddy 9 ай бұрын
ngl this sounds like a fascinating movie to watch
@ivo8312
@ivo8312 9 ай бұрын
that would be so epic
@davidd4696
@davidd4696 9 ай бұрын
It's called crimes of the future,dropped last year
@Anonymous-54545
@Anonymous-54545 9 ай бұрын
oh my god
@FerroMeow
@FerroMeow 9 ай бұрын
I had a lot of disagreement over my interpretation of the movie with my other progressive friends... When I was growing up, I liked watching the animated barbie movies with my sister. When I went to see the new one, I had no expectations. I knew it was a commercial product, and that it was pay-rolled by Mattel. But you know what? I can't think on how to make a more leftist movie out of this material. The facts of the matter are that Barbie is for better or worse popular as hell. Mattel would make a movie anyway, and of course they want money, they're a private company. They care about their bottom line and nothing else. Your criticisms of capitalism and cynicism of Mattel are well warranted. More needs to be done about the workers, the environmental effect, and the effect that these dolls have on young girls' self-perception. But you know what? When I saw the movie, I saw the only thing that could get through to my consumerist sister. Something that gave her things to think about. A seed of sorts. I think the movie is great when it comes to moving centre people over to the cause of feminism and anti-capitalism. And to see a company like Mattel do this to me feels like a huge concession to the movement on Mattel's part. The movie didn't for one sec consider "but our world is equal", no, it pointed directly at the problems (at least the "western" problems), like the lack of representation, lack of power, and unequal employment opportunities. it gives the viewers a tangible understanding of what patriarchy is, which is more important to radicalize people than a century of theory and obscure books. I don't know if I'd call their movie-CEO likeable - He tries to kidnap barbie, cares only about the bottom line, is against making "normal barbie with normal problems" at the end of the movie (until the advisor says it would make money) And is generally portrayed as a hypocritical clown who doesn't know anything, yet is allowed to control everything. Sure, he's portrayed somewhat sympathetically despite that, but this movie is literally paid for by the real CEO. There's not much more I can think of to make his image worse in this context. I am of the opinion that despite what Barbie dolls really represent, a lot of girls grew close to these dolls. And it should be noted in the political critique of the brand. It's a very personal matter to many, and wide proclamations that "barbie bad" while true, may be fruitless - people who are emotionally attached to something would rather defend those things than to accept criticism. A better approach is, in my humble opinion, to make it fun, make it optimistic in the beginning. Offer a new way forward. This way is much nicer, and most importantly more productive when it comes to moving more people to the cause of feminism. I really think that this is far better than the pop-feminist mockery that is Disney's live-action Mulan. I prefer barbie over the messaging of that movie any day. And I do think there's more public support needed for feminism. Lately the internet has been filled with misogynists and misogynistic content, while real-life conditions have probably not gotten better in Europe / America. Wherever I look, people hate on feminism, which is sad. it is my belief that it doesn't need to be THIS bad, it's just that the left is too preachy to effectively communicate our ideas. Sorry for rambling a bit. It's just that I think too much about that movie, lmao. I concede that there's many things to be desired when it comes to this Barbie's politics, but it is a really good movie, and in my opinion, in these conditions the movie couldn't be better. EDIT: OH ALSO I COMPLETLY FORGOT. There is like NO LGBT representation in the movie, which is really weird for a clearly progressive movie about all the different kinds of women. This should not be skipped or forgiven.
@felixmustdie8534
@felixmustdie8534 9 ай бұрын
As a leftist myself, i do agree that a lot of us do come off as very preachy even when we have the best intentions. I'm guilty of this. Also, I think I personally would've preferred if Barbie had been given a female partner too as well, since she's not attracted to any of the Kens in the movie even when the other Barbies were. Hell, it could've even been a good way to have some aro/ace rep or commentary on how women don't need partners to be whole
@FezUsocrazy
@FezUsocrazy 9 ай бұрын
Its true that no one in the movie ouright said "I am gay!" and relationships in general between Barbies and Kens and each other are kept so ambiguously inexplicit it's literally a recurring joke in the film (like Mario and Peach from Nintendo pretty much) BUT you do have to recognize Hari Nef, a trans actor, playing doctor Barbie (on top of plenty of the Kens being very obviously queer coded/acting) - I personally think that's actually a feminist-inclusive thing in itself. There was no specially call out or distinct treatment of queer or trans characters, while also they were treated with the same agency and respect as everyone else in similar roles. That's an "idyllic melting pot" type of queer setting.
@eoincampbell1584
@eoincampbell1584 9 ай бұрын
@@felixmustdie8534 "or commentary on how women don't need partners to be whole" It basically was that, they didn't need a line where Barbie said "not only do I not romantically like you Ken, but I don't need any romance!". It was just clear from beginning to end that romantic desire was not on Barbie's list of priorities whatsoever at any point.
@lajourdanne
@lajourdanne 9 ай бұрын
I completely agree! Except the LGBTQ+ representation. The only hints of sexuality were in the real world where men were leering at both Barbie and Ken. In the Barbie World they all seemed ace and some aromantic. Ace people may not be well represented in movies and television but we do exist too. And it was nice to see a movie that’s not meant for kids to not overdo it on sexual and romantic attraction.
@losersinc
@losersinc 9 ай бұрын
A previous comment mentioned the queer coding of ken and some trans actors, the queerness in the movie is still there, though indirectly. There is no official queer Barbie dolls, but magic earring Ken did make a cameo, who is a Ken based on the gay backup dancers of MTV. He was incredibly popular within the LGBTQ community at the time and is the best selling ken of all time. He was discontinued because parents thought his necklace looked like a cock ring. Speaking as a queer and non binary person, I feel like depending on how they added more queer elements, could’ve been done fairly poorly. LGBT characters don’t need to blatantly state their queerness in a movie/show. Though I would have liked to see at least a mention of how the experiences of womanhood can affect trans, non binary, and gender fluid people as while they have/had those struggles, can’t fully identify with the idea of womanhood and feel this feeling of isolation because they have felt those things but feel like they can’t fully relate because of their identities. (I hope that makes sense? It’s a feeling I’ve had for years but have never been able to put into words.)
@felicia3231
@felicia3231 9 ай бұрын
while I don't disagree with the criticism of the movie, the movie still did the best it could in it's position. I mean we can't expect a groundbreaking movie regarding feminism, controlled by Mattel. It's imo crazy that they even allowed the slightest criticism. And yes barbie is perfekt looking, that's the point of barbie and the ending, to let go of the high Standards we enforce on women. the movie also mentions that casting a beautiful actress to make the point they are trying to make is a bit illogical. Besides that, feminism is also for beautiful women, every women suffers because of the patriarchy. Yes the movie is going to sell stuff, it's a Hollywood movie. The matter of the fact is: We life in a capitalistic society, we will regardless of what we do always contribute to capitalism, avoiding consuming media that could possibly be fake feminism is not going to change the situation, protesting is going to change the situation, spreading information, regardless of how superficial the reason for the information is are the important actions to take. One could argue that even this video is trying to profit of feminism because it's using a trending movie to gain reach for a living. But that's okay, because we live in a society under capitalism.
@Mel-jl8dt
@Mel-jl8dt 8 ай бұрын
Am i the only one who never thought of this movie as a piece of feminist work? It has always been a satire to me. The only thing i will say is that it is a movie made with women in mind and it feels good to have that. I was glad to see some people have moments of realisation in the cinema. If thats what it took then goood
@TheYesMan856
@TheYesMan856 9 ай бұрын
finally someone said it, i'm tired of being told i just "don't have enough media literacy" every time i try to criticize the barbie movie. it mentions real problems, but it really fails when it comes to tackling them.
@veronicaa4173
@veronicaa4173 9 ай бұрын
honestly, everyone’s saying I’m missing the point but it’s all over the place and does a bad job of actually digging deep enough and executing it
@sonofben3322
@sonofben3322 9 ай бұрын
it wouldve completely flopped if it went any further. even with how "surface level" the feminism is, people are still portraying it as some evil woke feminist propaganda
@gem3763
@gem3763 9 ай бұрын
@@sonofben3322 I don't really think that's true. Anything even remotely feminist is going to be pushed back against with full strength, no matter how in-depth or shallow it is.
@misssinisterseventy1553
@misssinisterseventy1553 9 ай бұрын
I’m tired of being compared to the alt-right men who wanna feel oppressed whenever I criticize this movie. I have basically complete opposite talking points to them, but for some reason people are so wound around this movie that they won’t listen to any criticism whatsoever.
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
​@sonofben3322 well it IS woke feminist propaganda, no matter how shallow you consider it
@osperyrose2584
@osperyrose2584 9 ай бұрын
I loved the movie and mostly see it as a good jumping point for a lot of interesting talks on gender and gender dynamics (I especially latched onto "weird Barbie" who felt like an accurate portrayal of the outsider feeling of being a queer woman in heteronormative woman spaces, but she was still a side character and small part). And ALSO I had some hang ups and am very glad to see a criticism that isnt misogyny or just "the feminism is preachy."
@snowpocalypse69
@snowpocalypse69 9 ай бұрын
And Weird Barbie wasn't allowed to actually be queer in the movie. They carefully avoided directly portraying any queerness whatever. Even Earring Magic Ken's cock ring was replaced with a pendant that said "Barbie" (for the sake of distancing him from the gay undertones as much as possible??)
@cosmicreciever
@cosmicreciever 9 ай бұрын
Great video. I came away from the film with a feeling that something didn't quite sit right with me, but couldn't put it into words. This video gives a voice to those feelings I had.
@touchthesun
@touchthesun 9 ай бұрын
Just came across your channel, and I love this analysis. Also, I am reminded of the Peter S Beagle line, "There are honest men in the world, but only because the Devil considers their asking price to be ridiculous."
@milkingmatters8052
@milkingmatters8052 9 ай бұрын
I didn't watch the movie thinking it was going to be some kind of monumental commentary on anything. I didn't think it was supposed to be, so I guess seeing these criticisms about unmet expectations and stuff just throws me off. Barbie did make me cry, though. On three separate occasions throughout the film. Not because I felt "seen" or whatever during the speeches about the struggles of being a woman, but because of the scenes that made me think of my mom. Just made me appreciate her more, I don't know. I love my mom. I never really thought the Barbie movie was supposed to achieve all the things people are saying it failed to because it's Barbie. But all movies warrant criticism, and everyone receives movies, or any media, differently. I just thought it was fun.
@majorjane1995
@majorjane1995 9 ай бұрын
I feel like this is what Greta Gerwig's movies are best at and I do wish she leaned into this aspect more for Barbie.
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet 9 ай бұрын
@@majorjane1995 me too :( i feel like she bit off more than she could chew with this movie
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet
@Otra_Chica_de_Internet 9 ай бұрын
same! my mom picked me up after the movie and i was sobbing lmao i gave her the biggest hug
@KookiesNolly
@KookiesNolly 9 ай бұрын
Yeah honestly, learning how to do political actions IRL rather than jus treaction to media made under capitalism has truly helped me enjoy movies again. Like it helps divorcing the two by realizing that no amount of critiquing capitalists for not criticizing themselves enough in their products will have as much of an impact on the world than even helping one person eat today. Knowing that politics aren't about the moralities of the movies you watch and that the revolution will happen outside of movie theaters and the general theater of performative online activism helps putting things in perspective. When m walking into theathers to see big studio movies, I know I'm going to see a 2h ad, Im never suprised when they don't question capitalism and barely address the status quo bc even if the scenarists and directors wanted to, big studios would never let them go that far. At best they let huge metaphors slide bc, let's be honest, those guys in suits don't actually know much about art and don't realize what the metaphors are about half the time. But if a movie by a big studio wants to say something explicitly anti-capitalist or feminist or whatever that seeks to disrupt the status quo, it's piss easy to find ways in which the point is also undermined in the same movie. Barbie is a fine funny movie. But if you understand even the basics of capitalism, you knew that the mere existence of this movie meant it would never be a potent critique of Barbie let alone Mattel. IMHO the most useful political thing to do after complaining about Mattel is to help those exploited by them. I hate when people just stick to reaction and don't even share a meaningful call to action. Like at the very least you could go on the pages of SAG-AFTRA and support the striking workers who were exploited by Warner Bros. Constent reaction with zero action just makes you miserable long term.
@funnylittlecreature
@funnylittlecreature 9 ай бұрын
well, that’s because it’s not about unmet expectations haha
@gingergreek
@gingergreek 9 ай бұрын
I should be allowed to vote this video up more than once. I loved the Barbie film but the messaging felt hollow.
@jenniferhowell328
@jenniferhowell328 9 ай бұрын
Brilliantly put, thank you. I think the EFFECTS of a film are what's most important. You said you came out feeling bad, and all I currently see online atm is grown women plastering themselves into a barbie and pulling ditsy expressions. Great for little girls.
@2316lc
@2316lc 8 ай бұрын
👏👏thank you so much for this. was looking for a review like this that articulated everything i was feeling but couldn't put into words
@PrincessEowynn
@PrincessEowynn 9 ай бұрын
I personally had a great time at the Barbie movie, but it did kinda feel fairly steeped girl boss feminism or even an ad for how good Mattel and their products are, even while I was watching it. I’m super glad to hear your critiques of this, or even just any critiques that don’t mischaracterize the movie as violently misandrist
@poocrayon4588
@poocrayon4588 9 ай бұрын
It is misandrist. But in a way that felt intentional, like Mattels message was "hey remember the controversy about Barbie and girls body image? Well foget it and look at how much men suck!". And now it's given a generation of liberal women permission to buy their daughters Barbies. Mattel used Gerwig while she thought she was using them.
@clarkkent4665
@clarkkent4665 9 ай бұрын
Well it is misandrist
@AuroniRahman
@AuroniRahman 5 күн бұрын
@@clarkkent4665 damn i see you all over the comments saying barbie was misandrist, its bad because of feminism or something... it's one of the most inoffensive, sanitised portrayals of feminist themes there is. most of the man hating i feel came from 'haha ken stupid ken so so silly' but they kinda did that with barbie so idrk where youre coming from lol
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 9 ай бұрын
When I came out of the movie I was wondering why they allowed it to be made when it so heavily criticises them. Now that I've watched this I realise that the only reason they allowed that criticism to be aired was so they could be seen on the right side of things.
@ecksFamasecks
@ecksFamasecks 4 ай бұрын
When I was in university I took critical theory and we read some great writing on institutional critique. But the most important point our professor brought up was to think of our own institution's place within these structures and how they can be perceived as progressive for hosting this kind of discussion while being able to control the narrative. And it really hits home when we consider empty, performative gestures like land acknowledgements which recognizes this land was stolen but yet does nothing to rectify it because our school sits on one of the most expensive pieces of real estate in the country.
@Kindlywaterbear
@Kindlywaterbear 4 ай бұрын
Yeah bc they also kind of get to control the way the critique is portrayed too. Like when Sasha was criticizing Barbie it was framed as a joke and her being over the top, especially with the fascist line kind of taking away from everything she said before and making her whole argument seem unfounded and she was just juggling buzzwords, even though most of her points were perfectly good arguments
@KD-ou2np
@KD-ou2np 4 ай бұрын
Knowing that in the back of my mind gave me this reaaally creepy feeling. Like I enjoyed the movie but I also had this sensation I was watching a long form toy commercial scientifically engineered to make me want to buy Barbie. And it worked! Even though I know it’s capitalist propaganda I still want to buy myself a Barbie for some reason now AND I obviously still want her clothes and to look like her. And yet it gives me chills the way they carefully sidestep issues Ike weight, and race, and the elephant in the room, income inequality just so as not to bother the audience with too many questions or draw too much controversy that would make doll sales go down. Capitalism and selling Barbie is a big part of the problems with Barbie and why Barbie is the way it is, but that message is a threat to the movie and company itself.
@user-rv7ge1tc4l
@user-rv7ge1tc4l 4 ай бұрын
They literally disassociated their product from any negativity, making Barbie seem like a little poor victim when it is inherently a pretty messed up product. They are genius. It is just one big commercial for Mattel, and it has improved its reputation.
@user-rv7ge1tc4l
@user-rv7ge1tc4l 4 ай бұрын
@@KD-ou2np this is literally what they were going for. I can't believe people don't see this. Nothing has changed, the product is still messed up. It is just that now Barbie is seen as some innocent victim that was wronged by society, when in reality, Barbie was the cause of a lot of it. This was a genius marketing move.
@kesistara6211
@kesistara6211 9 ай бұрын
My boyfriend has to listen to me rant about the fact that the movies feminism had no substance every time its brought up. They talked about women never being good enough, and we all already know that. It never made any more points in how to change the way we view women or even talk about the actual bases of feminism which is equality or equity. It provoked no new thoughts about it or ideas on how to face a misogynist world.
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