You do realize that reloading your own ammo is an option as well specislly if your bugging in and have the brass bullets and primers on hand which a few of ny family memebers do reload so you dont always have to buy ammo so theres another " your a dipshit " moment

Fitness should be your first line of defense, folks. Get fit while staying tactical.

As a 16 year 2/2 Marine I can guarntee anyone that no man is carrying that much shit. One rifle with standard load out. Other more important things will be needed. Want to survive a gun fight? Don't get into one.

Got it. I need 6.2 billion rounds of ammo.

Several years ago I was putting together a small arsenal of SHTF firearms, one I wanted was a Mosin Nagant rifle because at the time ammo was dirt cheap for it, after a lot of searching I found a nice one and bought it at a gun show, One of the biggest complaints from preppers about a Mosin rifle was it was too Heavy, I picked it up and thought Hell, this this isn't that heavy to me, maybe those other people are weak ! After buying it, I slung it on my shoulder with the strap that came with it and continued looking around the gun show, after about 15 minutes or so the sling started digging into my shoulder a bit and chaffing the skin but not too bad and I switched it to the other shoulder, it was July and hot so I only had a thin shirt on with nothing to cushion the strap from my skin then as I walked around the show I began switching the rifle more from shoulder to shoulder , then moved the strap across my chest but it made the rifle hang out where t would hit people as I walked along because the rifle is so long, so it was back to the shoulder again, anyway after another 30 or 40 minutes I was just carrying it at my side by hand to give my shoulders a break then my hand began to cramp, finally I found a bench to sit down and I was just wore out from carrying the Mosin, Then I thought Man this thing is real brick to carry around for any extended period of time and thought about the comments from others that said the Mosin was too heavy and realized they knew what they were talking about, So when people say they are going to carry several hundred rounds of ammo , a sidearm, plus other essentials like water and food, knives, body armor in a SHTF , They should load it up some time and take a hike with it for a couple hours before deciding what weapon or weapons and gear they plan on lugging around

Few years ago a friend was talking about loading 1K rounds for "bug out", of 30-06! I asked him, "do you really know what you are talking about? I did more 18-20 mile load out rucks than I care to remember. Put 500 rounds of 30-06 ammo in a full ruck, walk 5 miles. Then the next week, put 2,500 rounds of 22LR in that ruck and walk 5 miles.

Reading the comments.; You're not gonna bug out to the mountains of plenty u dream of .. You're neighbors up here are your worst bet for survival. Stay put..

I follow the Barney Fife guide for ammo stockpiling. 1 round for each firearm, carried in my shirt pocket, "just in case."

Also, my ammo minimum is 1,000 rounds per rifle, 500 rounds per pistol/revolver, 500 rounds per shotgun and 5,000 rounds per 22lr.

22y 4m in the Marine Corps. 3 tours. If you need 10,000 rounds of ammo, or 10,000 per weapon you probably not going to survive anyway! That's full blown combat! I'm not sure what people think SHTF will be like? In the city will be most difficult. Country folks will need to stop scavengers and gangs. Sustained firefight probably won't happen, could, but probably not. I think most people have unrealistic views of SHTF. I know people who have hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo. They have went into debt, mortgage their house and property for preps. Bad idea! SHTF will not last forever. There people you owe money will eventually want it back! You may not have a job. If you can't pay it back they will take your home and property. Don't survive SHTF just to become homeless. Pay off all your debt first! Nothing is going to happen anytime soon. You have time. Don't owe anyone.

20” barrel basically turns everything into a gold dot lol

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I already have to accept a harsh reality. My only option is to bug in because of health reasons so even bugging in isn't going to be easy but it drops to a 0% chance if I leave. I stock what I can and as much of it as I can just to survive whatever I can. I'm trying to develop some friendships with like minded people just to increase the probability of my families survival.

I don't get it. Defensive rounds are somewhat for knockdown power but frankly mostly it's to prevent over penetration and the associated legal jeopardy during the post-incident investigation. In a lawless situation you're not really looking at the individual performance of rounds but at the overall effect on target. You may end up doing a lot of things that you would not do in civilized times; such as use volume of fire to suppress a superior force, engage multiple targets, etc... As an overall strategy - remember, I can't predict any single scenario here other than a general state of lawlessness - I want volume over individual performance. I truly believe you would be much happier with 3,000 rounds of bottom of the barrel steel cased ammo than 750 of your fancy rounds. (As long as those steel cased rounds are in fact reliable to about 99.9% - less than 1 failure in 1000 rounds fired. Which they tend to be.) Fancy rounds are nice when each shot counts. But lawlessness dictates a much less defined state of conflict that necessitates warfare as opposed to self defense.

Noise will be the enemy. Having a suppressed barrel for your 10-22 (or whatever) will stack the deck in your favor. Marry that with some nice subsonic rounds and there’s an ace up your sleeve... (yes there’s the down-side, I know) Save the loud guns for when nothing else will do. Seems to me a sound strategy...

Fmj kills- as proven in all wars. With all the discussions about geltests and hollowpoints, stopping power etc. people seem to forget this or think a fmj will do nothing . I believe that fmj- besides being cheaper do have - in a shtf can have quite a few advantages... Penetrating obstacles for example. Having hunting rounds for your game rifle is a must. 120 rounds sounds good. If you own 2 dozen guns you do not need 1000 rounds for each. How much ammo do you need realistically? How many rounds does an average cop in the US - while working in a high risk area - shoot in a year? Do you think your risk is higher than theirs? Or do you expect to go full military combat against the " golden horde" ? I live in the EU in Germany ,it is a different situation here for sure. Once you have a gun or two and a couple hundred rounds, having food is more important than more ammo.. Contrary to what many in the US think there are quite many guns around in Germany.But not far as many as in the US. I do own legally more than 10 handguns/ long guns.I hunt , shoot in a club, reload ammo. 85 million people total own around 6 million registered guns here and official guesses claim around at least the same to twice the amount of illegally owned guns . I always feel comfortable to have always around 300 rounds for my handguns and around 150 rounds for my long guns and 4 bricks of .22's. In real i store and have a little more. In general I believe that due to the fact that many US guys are used to go out plinking and burn a couple hundred rounds in one afternoon just for fun make them overestimate the ammount of ammo they should store for shtf. You just dont do this in that case . You do not waste your ammo in that situation. Better use a pellet gun for target practise. But having is better than needing...

dude ill take 10k m193 over 1k anything else. honestly, when it comes down to it, a bullet is a bullet. everything else i agree with. I only have one rifle that takes a "special" load and thats my SPR build, but everything else, m193 or m855 is the go to.

I've said this before, but I think a lot of advice is context specific. When one discusses "SHTF" does one mean "3-10 days of living in hotels while fleeing a tornado or wild fire" or "10 years of war and mutant alien ninja bikers." If I lived in Nebraska, had a rifle with say 5,000 rounds, and I actually owned a shotgun...then sure, 50 slugs sounds fine. But if I'm in SHTF and shooting birds, I'm using a 22 and shooting them on the ground or on the water. If I lived in California and I only owned 1 gun, shotgun, then 500 slugs makes a lot more sense. Or if I lived in Alaska and wasn't running a 30 cal rifle. And I don't see why a person would "need" a fighting rifle AND a fighting pistol AND a shotgun AND a bolt gun AND a .22...And...And...And ... I think it's an American thing and I really disagree with it. I think people need a Primary + a clone Primary. Then a secondary. People go 9 years and only shoot 40 rounds of hunting ammo because they only get 1 deer a year. Maybe 2. But SHTF means you will get 5+ deer a year if possible (for a family of 5). I am feeding my family primarily off stuff I hunt, livestock I farm, and livestock I buy from others (process myself). So I'm saying the numbers change dramatically as we transition from a "supplement/sport" to "primary source of food." And ammo consumption changes with it. I know Nebraska guys who have shot 40 rounds in 8-10 years. I get the mentality. And 2020 hit them hard because they suddenly didn't have ammo. Sucks to suck. I'm a little wrapped around the axle on hunting. My real recommendation for people is "use your fighting rifle for hunting." And if a fighting rifle is too little for hunting deer, it's too little for fighting. My opinion. Otherwise, I'm on board with the math of "2,000 rounds per gun you own." And I feel that stacks and sorts itself out better. 1000 duty, 1000 training. Per gun. My opinion, based on my experience.

Even at home on the farm with my team here, all my plate carriers and chest rigs hold 6 rifle magazines and 3 pistol magazines plus the IFAK, water, etc. Minimum two members on guard duty rotating 24/7. Other members will have their plate carrier or chest rig near where they are working (cutting wood, gardening, etc.). Keep Prepping my friends.

Recently found your channel, very impressive! Thanks and keep up the good work.

A good click bait would be a title that says how to convince your wife to have 10000 rounds

I know nothing, but continue prepping every month. I consider my sidearm (pistol) a concealable tool to get to a rifle. Be that a vehicle, a bag, or a location. Self subsistence living is important to work towards. The more people that know the larger a target you could be if "apocalypse" style life comes. Keeping your "group" close with communications (meshtastic, HAMM, etc.) and on the same page. I love you all, you are my Brothers. Thank you! - Godspeed

First time viewer, but a very happy subscriber. Thank you for sharing your take on things. Found myself agreeing with you on most things. Looking forward to ✔️ out some of your other videos. Take care and Godspeed.

Your bugging in ammo recommendations are very good, but are optimistic for most of us. As for bugging out, the probability is that you will be on foot, and your recommended ammo load out would be way too heavy for the average person to carry along with other essentials. That said, at my age, bugging out is only happening if it can be done by vehicle, and early enough to be practical, say in case of a hurricane.

Good video to get thinking about the "why?" behind the "what?". Really appreciate these talks on ammo. Helps focus on the quality stuff.

I just look at 10,000 rounds of each caliber as a starting point then bump up stock on more used calibers

A "load out" I'm rocking a mk12 with 77 grain 5.56 and 7 20 round mags. Side arm with 5 mags. Travel light so you can bring stuff back. Hit and run, stealth is going to be your friend. But ammo, guns, and magazines will be worth a lot in a SHTF scenario. Food and clean drinking water is also a HUGE thing. Again....a stealth style is your best friend. Bunker...rural area to get to will be safest.

“Do you keep a 1000 rounds of full metal jacket, or do you keep 1000 rounds of duty ammo?” Yes.

I always hear people say I don't need more ammo than I can carry. Or "you can't carry all that". Yeah no crap. I don't stockpile to take it with me. Nobody does. You stockpile for two main reasons. One is inflation. Buy as much as you can when you can because it ain't getting cheaper. That is assuming that you actually shoot on a regular basis. The other is in case ammo is hard or find or supplies dry up. During the cough when ammo was scarce and what could be found was a buck a round, I was at the range shooting. People need to quit complaining about the people that have thousands of rounds and just focus on their own preps.

22lr 36 grain weighs about 7.5 lbs per 1000 22 WMR 40 grain weighs about 9 lbs per 1000 9mm 115 grain weighs about 26 lbs per 1000 45acp 230 grain weighs about 47 lbs per 1000 5.56 NATO 63 grain weighs about 27 lbs per 1000 7.62x39 122 grain weighs about 36 lbs per 1000 308 Win 150 grain weighs about 52 lbs per 1000 12 Gauge 1 oz of 00 Buck weighs about 102 lbs per 1000

Thanks unk for the good word keep preaching i love it brother .

love your videos! Your presentation and thought put into them are awesome. Been watching for a long time and never commented. THANKS! I am by no means and expert that is why I learn so again thanks! For my shotgun I (having little real knowledge) have decided on #6 Steel and #4 buck for the shotgun with some 00 buck. #6 allows for game such as turkey and geese and #4 buck can take a deer. As for total amount not sure yet currently planning on about 500 of each. For the .22 consider magnum rounds, I made the switch simply because I can actually larger harvest game with it if needed. As a child I used .22 long rifle to take deer in Alaska vrs a predator well we will see. .22 mag I have around 5K last I checked. 556 well that is a work in progress simply because i have always thought that if I need it it will be "laying around". my bolt gun is a mouser 30.06 because its reliable accurate and dependable. Plus that round will take anything up to 4 legs in north America. Mags, I have a minimum of 10 per system.

Remember, when Shit hits the fan, there is no time to load magazines

the correct answer is "because of the obvious war of attrition on your rights stock as much as you can afford consistently because it has been increasingly harder to get and will soon be impossible to get". Potentially overnight. Other than food and medical gear, antibiotics etc, there is very little else you should be investing in now.

4K rounds for primary and 2K for secondary. If you have a 308 then 200 to 500 rounds for that.

How functional will you be with a 200lbs pack? Winter is coming. Choose wise 2nd wepen system or snow gear?

Fmj is all u need. People think you need hollow points. Gotta cover all bases. It could be a gunfight or anything you have to shoot through a barrier. Hollows won't do that. I rather have fmj

What ammo you stock pile make sure you know how that ammo behaves. You don't know how many people I know who keep a couple of mags of premium ammo and like a dozen of other types. I would just stick with one or two types and know your holds on those. Pistol: JHP for close quarters around people. 124 NATO for everything else Rifle: 50 grain 556 Vmax for soft targets. M855 for everything else.

I often criticize dudes that have 10 pallets of ammo they don't use because it's for "emergencies" and no crane, forklift, or bug-out truck capable of transporting them all. And they spend their time training for golf instead of anything that would be helpful in those "emergencies". They don't even have short, mid, and long term plans for sustainable subsistence. What the heck are they thinking?

Great vid sam. Very well thought out.

"I have a problem...Freedom!" That the entire world should be burdened with our problems!

I had this same thought on my shtf ammo needs 🇺🇸 💪🏽

What about stocking 124gr winchester white box JHP for defensive 9x19 because of cost effectiveness but still being better then FMJ?

This topic has been beat to death...

One thing I’ve never figured out or hear anyone else comment on is the hot dog / hot dog bun theory. If your magazine holds 30 rounds and your ammo comes in 20 round boxes, you SHOULD be calculating magazines in 60 round increments or 3’s. Otherwise, what are you doing with the other rounds in their boxes/cases? This may not apply to bulk but certainly premium. When I buy boxed 556 it’s either in 3 or 6 box minimums. When ammo restrictions were in place and you could only get 5 boxes at a time, I’d either talk them up to the 6th box or walk with 3 and it would always surprise the retailer. And if they wouldn’t sell the 6th box then I’d buy 3. Leave and come back later for the second 3 box lot. Just me being crazy? Or does anyone else think like this?

Hey uncle freedom, id like to hear your take on imi systems 77gr "razor core" (hpbt smk) Would that be a good or okay selection for SHTF ?

500 9mm (fmj) 14 mags of 5.56 (all defensive ammo) 250 12 gauge shells( assorted between #6,#4,#2,00,slugs) 3,000 .22lr (stingers, CCI subsonic segmented hollowpoint, federal punch) 300blk ( 150 subX, 150 Vmax) 150 .308 ( 30 180 grain core lokt , 120 150 grain )

I'd argue a little more m193 instead of more vmax or whatever bc it's easier to procure more ball ammo than super specific stuff. I do say carry a specialty mag of something like cx or m855a1 or whatever for wildly enhanced performance in a fighting load

For bugging in sky's the limit (cause you arent humping it). If you are bugging out you can pack some extra ammo cans into a vehicle. On foot....Yeah you better be in good shape if you're planning on carrying 500 rounds of 5.56 or more plus everything you'd need (hell, you're gonna need to be in good shape regardless). At the end of the day who tf knows. 3 rifle mags may see you through whatever pops off or 50 mags plus might be woefully insufficient. Hell, all your preps could go up in flames. Develop skills and your physical fitness. Guns and gear can only do so much to fill gaps in those areas.

Are you taking a full size duty pistol or something concealable?

2 things i want to point out here. 1. M193 or m855 are both very capable 556 rounds for defense, assuming you keep them in their desired velocities ~2700+ due to fragmentation. There are different ways to measure lethality when it comes to bullets. The 5.7x28 for example tumbles at higher velocities. 2. Ar15 22lr conversion does not seem anymore valuable than a dedicated 22 match pistol like a ruger mkiv. The conversion mags are very bulky and take up a lot more space. A target 22 pistol would be a good idea. You dont necessarily need a rifle to hunt small game. 1200rds on foot and 3-4 guns seems like way too much as well. Im thinking 1 rifle and 1 pistol (maybe a second 22 pistol) and thats it. Cut that ammo to about half as well. You are likely not going to be in a fighting scenario at all.

I just got 250 62gr tbbc, I really like how the back half is a copper slug with a lead tip so it penetrates good. I’ve got the hornady TAP T1 for my long range loading, couldn’t find any T2. Also have a couple k of PPU m193 to back it up

Good stuff. I break my serious caliber ammo stockpile into two categories, training and fighting. Then I set a threshold for each that I don’t go below. As time/finances allow I’ll up that threshold.

There are so many scenarios to plan for that you have to Creat flow charts for as many you can. Civil unrest, emp, invasion, A.I./tech, chemical, pandemic etc and what to do in each scenario. Bug in, bug out, how you are traveling i.e. vehicle, horse, foot. How long will you be traveling to said location? What is at that location? Are you in a group or you + immediate family. Have you trained with said group and made plans for these scenarios? Are you willing to do direct action or what I suggest is avoidance of enemy combatants specially uniformed soldiers. Then organizing your supplies for the situation starting with bugging in then walking and being able to plus up for better capabilities. Supplies should include food, water + water purification, clothing, fire starting equipment, cooking equipment, medication, kit, ammo, first aid (long term), shelter supplies, fishing and trapping supplies, compass + maps (road and topographic), comms, new broken in boots, etc.

I stopped stashing 5.56 after 2,500 rnds. I have 2 different rifles. It just became extremely heavy when combined with the 9mm and 12 gauage i also have stashed. My train of thought was if we had to up and run i wouldn't be able to haul all that ammunition.

A standard combat loadout is 7 mags for primary weapon plus 3 mags pistol. My primary loadout was 3 pistol mags and 9 rifle mags.

We all should get friendly with our neighbors,buy the same weapons and ammo,have a contingency plan to leave,stock up on food,essentials,generators,solar power,propane,charcoal,firewood,knives,machetes,axes,tarps,water,batteries,light bulbs 💡,and many other things I didn’t mention. Staying in one spot while there is mass chaos may not be ideal but trying to fight your way through it sounds worse.

My approach is to have a target in mind as to how many rounds per caliber, reload or purchase to hit that target, and then shoot-one-reload-one so I'm always at net-zero ammo usage. Now, my targets are relatively high (10K rounds of .22 LR, 5K rounds of 9mm and 556, 1-2K rounds of everything else). The logic being 9mm and .556 are the most logical go-to's in SHTF due to commonness, .22LR is the most logical barter round (after everything cools down and it's safe enough to barter ammo) and everything else is a luxury. But bear in mind I'm speaking from the privilege of having inherited my father's vast stockpile of ammo (and reloading supplies). BEFORE that, my targets were a lot more modest (basically 500 rounds of 9mm, 1K rounds of .22LR because those were the only calibers I owned).

There is a lot of advice here regarding a wide variety of ammo for various calibers. Is using all of the various firearms really feasible though in a SHFT situation? Example: You're out hunting birds with the shotgun for example. Is that gun intended to be used if you run into trouble or is your pistol that weapon in this situation? Are you carrying your 5.56 or preferred "battle" rifle with you wherever you go? If you are carrying your primary "battle" rifle every time, do you really need the "hunting" round as I would think that anything that will take down a 2 legged problem will take down 85% or more of the game in any area.

You must have lot's of money for all those top of the line ammo. Hold up, I need a bit of time before we do the gunfight, I need to decide which ammo to use. Truly, this man was never in a combat situation.

Bro, you remind me of me I have completely filled my safe, my father Safe and my brother Safe. I have an entire room for reloading with a Hornady AP press. do you have an awesome channel subscribed for sure! America

I can't imagine carrying three guns plus a through-hiking 40 lb backpack with cookware, sleep station, water, etc. I think I'd take a hand gun and a .22 or maybe short 5.56. Most of the weight of the load out would have to be life essentials instead of defense, but each long gun is 7-10 lbs with optics and lights.

You're that guy. After two hours of talking and me replying "yep", "uh huh", "absolutely", "sure, sure"...finally I get a word in." I have 10k of each i'll figure it out " but cheers man I love gun talk and you seem like a cool cat.

1000 rounds is my bar. 15 mags for the BR loaded and 2!to 4 mags for the sidearm and I only have 4 calibers 45. 9mm 5.56 and my 50 which is my fun gun and the 12 gauge Mka 1919 feel like those all all common enough there will be plenty to scavenge if required minus the 50 but I would leave it behind if I have to bug out and I have to make a choice. Plus all replacement parts to service and maintenance them.

Every time I went to a store that sold it, I got some 22LR, and if cash was tight, I'd get a $3 box of 50, but often got 550 round box for $30 bucks, and after no time at all I had over 8000 rounds of just about everything!

I’d love to stock pile Vmax or some kind of 75, 77 grain for my AR but it’s just not practical for me given the cost per round yet alone getting more sighting in my rifle for something I probably wouldn’t get more of just isn’t practical for me or many people. long range I have a 30-06 and 7mm rem probably take the 30-06 way more common in my AO. great video tho as always

I got a great deal on some Winchester 64gr silver tip a few months ago. Sg ammo was running a deal. If you look around enough you can good deals

I’ve been reloading for a few years now. I’m wondering about sealing primers and projectiles for long term storage …? Is that something you do? Or even think is necessary?

Some think of stockpiling ammo like they are going to the range like everything is normal for years after SHTF happens, and I'm betting most will not live long enough to unload their first magazine! My G17 clone is in a water tight green box I got at a gun store with 10 magazines and an extra box of 50 rounds as that's all that will fit! But the "truck gun" is a PMR-30 with 4 magazines and an additional 500 rounds!

I don't think the scenario even matters after SHTF you're not gonna need to practice you're gonna get plenty of real life experience As a matter of fact you'll probably start getting blood sick before you run out of ammo, The standard loadout for any operation is 250 280 rounds and that would be battle rifle rounds, That may have changed since I've gotten out which was in ninety-four But carrying more emblem than that into an op starts to stack on a lot of weight and could be counterproductive

Great video and ps I’m there on my ammo by your guideline and my home as far out as I live in the woods couple that with my age i live in my bug out place

1,200 rounds and four firearms, how nuch weight is that adding to your back?

For my primary rifle and pistol I try and have a minimum of 5k for each (5k m855 and 5k of a mixed defense and ball 9mm) for all of my other pews a minimum of 1k except 12ga I stay around 250 of buckshot and slug. Also I don’t keep everything in one location I have caches all around the woods around my property and at a secondary location

The right 12 gauge is effective with either slugs or double 00 buck up yo 125 yards withe the right ammo.😮

You need 5 complete sets of springs and 2 sets of pins including firing pins and channel liners. Dry fire can be hard. Stock up on mag springs and a few followers.

On bug out its whatever the hell I have on me. You have to be flexible and move quickly. Movement is life, you can always come back around and counter ambush.

G19 with a PCC that uses the same magazines, 6.5 Grendel, 12 gauge.

Always enjoy! I think I need to run to ammo store again……

Ammo could become a form of currency if your neighbor runs out and you like him.

Your solid copper expanding “barrier load” will do perfectly fine for hunting. No need to overthink it.

I just got a lot of l.e hornady tap 9mm ammo but they like xtp rounds are they good for duty use?

More harsh reality to this is everything you leave behind is just arming the enemy if your house gets overtaken after you need to bug out.

I assure you, in shtf/wrol, FMJ will get the job done just fine. If FMJ didn’t work for taking down bad guys then the military wouldn’t use them.

What no one covers is one broken firing pin or spring and the gun is useless. Ammo is important but so is a stockpile of spare parts and cleaning supplies. At that point a simple revolver may be more useful then a tricked out auto. As a bolt action for every day use will fare better then a semi auto when the mag springs go soft.

My ammo stockpile is 85% range use, for when ammo is hard to get, or to expensive. And 15% put away for the end times

Load mags -1 round under capacity. Saw a study on failures years ago, common cause was failure to feed from full mag. BTW, right on with the G45!

Did that guy just ask a guy sitting in front of a reloading bench if he has considered reloading his ammo?....and then call him a dipshit?... It's hard to have too much ammo

So I buy 100 bucks of ammo a week. 1 box of defensive to 5 boxes of training is the ratio I purchase. Been doing it for 2 years now. Find out how much you make and look around for deals. However, glad these comments mention fitness. That is the most important. Grab a back pack, fill it with 20lbs of rocks and go about your day. If that is an issue, you probably need to work out some more.

77gr otm is the way to go for combat loadout on an ar15 imo. If you’re bugging out I’m leaving 90% of my crap at home, snagging my Glock with 10mags, 7 ar15 mags with the OTM and a broken down sbr in my pack. The rest is food water shelter. That’s going to be a 30lb ruck easy. Most ppl can’t even carry that weight a couple miles

In terms of stopping an immediate threat, JHP doesn’t create an appreciably bigger wound track from crush damage than FMJ. The important factor is having enough penetration to reach vital organs. JHP allows you to get the (hopefully) ideal penetration depth and minimizes over-penetration with risk to others behind the threat. The “wound cavities” you see in gel tests for pistols are not representative of real tissue damage. All of that is temporary stretch that most tissue types can easily handle and return to normal. The critical factor with pistols is to penetrate deep enough to be able to hit a vital organ. If you miss a vital or the CNS with a pistol, then it doesn’t matter whether you’re using FMJ or JHP. *Caveat that this is for an immediate threat. JHP may make it more likely that one will succumb to wounds hours or days later. I haven’t seen any research on that but it seems plausible given the small crush damage differences.

For bug-in: As much as you can affort, for bug-out: For me, Glock 17 with FAB-KPOS+250 rounds of FMJ. Never forget the other very important things like water, food, medication, sanitary products, shelter, firestarter....Number one is to avoid any confrontation. The AR-Cowboys will be the first victims of a rearl shtf-event.

The amount of ammo you stockpile depends upon your situation. If I live in an urbanized area, I wouldn't stock 10,000 rounds of anything. I would stock about 300 rounds for my main rifle and 3 mags for my pistol. Water will be just as valuable as ammo. On the contrary, where I live is my bugout location. I have 3,500 for main rifles. 1,000 handgun. 500 slugs, 500 00 buck, and 1000 various types of shot. I have 10,000 rds of .22 LR. I know this isn't an option for many. On the downside, I can't carry all that shit. Im in my position of last stand. This is my alamo. If i had to be foot -mobile i would carry a tweaked standard loadout.

I DIY mine, and have decided 3 max battle loads. In 27 yrs 4 TICs and never burned through each full battle load. So I think its a good amount to have. While I like my 5.56, I love my Grendel which is battle, hunting or sniping. Yes I know I can reach 700+ meters with it.

Have you had any issues with the CMMG 22lr conversion kit?

I’m probably a little extra some ppl would say. Idk I’ve got a phobia where I’m terrified ima run out of ammo 😂. For 5.56 I have a few different ammos stored up. Try to keep at least 500 minimum of each type. The two I have the most of is Hornady frontier 75gn bthp and 75gn aac Sabre but I’ve also have quite a bit of 64gn federal power shock. Between those 3 alone I have 30-35ish loaded mag between a few different bags, on my plate carrier, belt and vehicle. And another 7-800rds of each still in boxes. Then no telling how many other type rounds I have but I’d say close to 2000rds of random stuff. Then my secondary rifle is 6.5 Grendel. Which I just counted and I have exactly 1344rds. Majority is 123gn eld, sst, and bthp from Hornady but I do have 350rds of 90gn tnt couple hundred rounds of Barnes 115 tac-x 60rds of 90gn nosler bt, 100rds of the new 100gn v-match few boxes of ppu Remington and federal fusion. I’ve only got 6 15rd loaded mags 4 25rd mags and 2 10rd mags. As far as 9mm I’ve got a buttload of fmj but honestly only 250-300rds of actual defense ammo. Couple thousand rounds of 22lr and that’s all I stock up on. Plus a good bit of reloading materials. Pretty sad but I don’t even have 100rds of 12 ga. I did just pick up a Rossi semi auto 22mag so I’m about to start stacking up on that stuff since it’s fairly cheap. And with all that said I don’t even plan on taking a shot if possible. I just can’t even think about having so many firearms with no ammo 😂

Serious Long Term Tygon or Nalgene Bottles. Fill with Ammo AFTER putting Dry Ice in the bottom or backfill with Nitrogen. Let set and check with a match at the top. When the match goes out there is no Oxygen in the container. Seal tight. Seal with wax or Epoxy around the top.

Here's a Come-to-Jesus thought: ammo is heavy. If you're bugging out with a full-sized 3/4 ton truck you could line the bottom of the bed with your ammo cans, but any other means of transport means your load is severely reduced. Almost a thousand rounds of 5.56 in a can weighs about 30#, for 9mm that is about 23#. Nobody's beatin' feet with 50# of ammo, 2 rifles, a pistol, mags, armor in addition to the other 50# of food, water and other necessary gear. A single loaded pmag weighs 1#-1.3oz, do the math. "I'm not carrying a bunch of stuff" - yeah, you are. About 100 yards.

I get whatever i can get my hands on. These days in my area its 223 hunting ammo and ball 5.56

Speaking of birdshot. What number birdshot is it recommended?

Good info. I appreciate your insight. Some comments are brutal. However, it does sound like a lot. In a perfect world we would have all the supplies we needed and a pack mule to haul it all. Oh, and we will get a three day notice before shtf. Please entertain my ignorance.. Wouldn't an ar-10/ or scout style 308 be able to cover as both primary battle rifle and long range option? It just seems to me like the 223 is a bit of a compromise. I know the ammo is heavier but if your only carrying one rifle you can carry more ammo. I may have misunderstood but did you say you load and carry 20 rnd mags for your ar-15? I prob just misunderstood. Thanks again. Love your stuff