Undead Dragon Defence - Stellaris Anti-Meta Build

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In this video we ask the question, what would it take to halt an aggressive meta empire in its tracks?
The answer is undead dragon defences! Featuring the new origin from Stellaris: Aquatics Species Pack, Here Be Dragons. And an old favourite, Reanimators.
Lets dive in!
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:48 The build
1:02 First pillar
1:42 Second pillar
2:13 Other civics & ethics
2:54 Traits
3:34 Start
3:59 Homeworld & colonies
4:33 Technology
5:12 Dragon events
6:02 Planetary shield generator
6:14 The defence force
7:09 Defending the colonies
7:53 Traditions
8:46 Dragon mind control
9:49 The last option
Stellaris Version 3.2
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@joshmiller3032 2 жыл бұрын

One thing to note regarding the living metal: with the dragon origin, one system that’s two jumps away is guaranteed to spawn with a living metal deposit. At least that’s what the wiki says.

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Yes that's true! Though even having the system, getting the technology to exploit the resource can be an RNG nightmare.

@brianjentzen2335 2 жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays isn't its weight still 0 so you need a special event to just get the option to research it?

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianjentzen2335 yes I think you are correct! I know that in my two playthroughs without using console commands to cheat I was unable to get dragon hatchlings...

@brianjentzen2335 2 жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays I wonder if they can add an event for getting it from Hrozgar. While watching this (great video btw) I got to thinking that an archeology site would be interesting. Maybe she shows you where another of her kind died and through the site you study how the work and the final part gives it as an option.

@neillindgren8992 2 жыл бұрын

I definitely can confirm that. I made a dragon origin empire, noticed a living metal deposit 2 jumps away, and proceeded to start about 15 different games with 3 different dragon origin empires, and using the “survey” command I was able to see that every time a 1 unit deposit of living metal would appear 2 jumps away from the empire’s home system. I’ve read from another unconfirmed source (take this with a grain of salt) that supposedly the deposits were supposed to be anomalies that would resulting a living metal deposit and the ability to research harvesting it (again, this is unconfirmed).

@InfiniteLegoWorks 2 жыл бұрын

"It's 2230 and I've got a total of 56 Battleships" Panicked there for a moment like; "Battleships? How the hell do you have them so early?" Thought I was just slow in my early game, but then I took a look at those Battle Ships lol

@chester1882 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe that’s what Cadia needed: a space dragon.

@TempestLM 2 жыл бұрын

They had Phalanx

@shibnick 2 жыл бұрын

"56 battleships at 2230" 😨 I think you meant 56 destroyers.

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, sorry about that!

@TheRealWormbo 2 жыл бұрын

They are still space ships ready to battle. :)

@LichmasterRoz 2 жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays you can learn to build battleships that early but, only from a sith.

@Captaintrippz 2 жыл бұрын

Well, the little battleships Cruisers? No, the littler ones Corvettes? No, the biglier littler ones

@JupiterCobalt 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't realize you could actually reanimate the dragon upon death, Stefan's stream made it seem like you couldn't! Thanks for showing the text to confirm it works!

@masako8980 2 жыл бұрын

I mean this in the most sincere way: how can you stand that guy?

@serathus3201 2 жыл бұрын

@@masako8980 Personally I have more difficulty standing Montu, because to me it feels as though he explains things like he's talking to a child. Or at least it seems that way to me.

@JupiterCobalt 2 жыл бұрын

@@masako8980 I don't have any problems with any of the big Stellaris players' content or personalities, so watching videos from across the board is no issue for me.

@masako8980 2 жыл бұрын

@@serathus3201 I don't agree but I can get that. I don't see how the other guy is much better on that front, though.

@masako8980 2 жыл бұрын

@@JupiterCobalt fair enough I suppose, I just can't stand anything about him. I swear this isn't a hate post I genuinely don't understand. he's not interesting or funny to me, and most of the time he's outright annoying. Maybe I'm just salty because there's not many actually good Stellaris channels I know of

@Z0nK89 2 жыл бұрын

i love that the dragon is "equipped" with a jump drive! i mean think about it from the in univers pov: there is a big ass dragon with a backback swimming in your system or we now now why there are never droping and he got it stufft up his ass xD

@Petter1900 2 жыл бұрын

Got a bit confused when you referred to making 56 battleships, when you infact had Destroyers. Guess it was just a brain fart, but made me check :P

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Ooops sorry. I did mean destroyers!

@jebkerman5422 2 жыл бұрын

@@MontuPlays this is literally the Stellaris version of "hey guys welcome to my minecraft Let's play. So I did a little bit of mining and build of camera..."

@grahamturner2640 2 жыл бұрын

I never expected you to use a clip from Game of Thrones as an intro meme. Also, is the dragon always loyal to you? And do you need to be an aquatic species to use the origin?

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Any species can use the origin. The dragon will never 'attack you. Unless you pick the wrong outcome at an event. In any case it doesn't remain an enemy unless you attempt to attack it yourself (something I don't recommend)

@rexnemorensis8154 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if lithoids could work for the army buff?

@JabberwockOclock 2 жыл бұрын

@@rexnemorensis8154 Lithoids would be a cheeky choice, but their growth penalty could make getting colonies up painful. You need to T2 colony building in order to start building Dread Encampments, so the delay could leave them open to invasion if things don't go right.

@ivoryindica6508 2 жыл бұрын

rolling this one next, thanks montu!

@MrEdvard333 2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of plasma, would be possible to get a video of a ship designs specifically for killing leviathans? and the earliest we can do it?

@riflescientist1744 4 ай бұрын

I know this is two years late but frigates with stealth drives are immune to all leviathan since they can't detect them at all

@glyan1432 2 жыл бұрын

I really like your builds please make some more meta ones and try RP driven ones too! Love your channel!

@Shadowangel615 Жыл бұрын

Reanimation is such an interesting topic, I’d love a list of the things you can zombify

@Edu-qv4lq 2 жыл бұрын

Love your videos. Would you consider covering other Paradox Strategy games also?

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Im very, very interested in Victoria 3 Aside from that I enjoy Hoi4 and have sunk many hours into eu4, though I don't feel I could add very much there. There is so much fantastic eu4 and hou4 content already

@chattychatotchannel 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm excited to watch this :D I love defensive stuff. With the stability boost do you think changing it a bit to be more economy focused would work?

@mr.silver5476 2 жыл бұрын

@Montu Plays, the here be dragons origin will give you a guaranteed living metal deposit within two jumps of your home system. It's a hidden feature, like most of the origins features XD

@Sy-jz4eq 2 жыл бұрын

Made a no alloy build I want you to try. Use dragon origin with reanimators. Completely rely on the dragon and reanimated leviathans for defense. Go spiritualists to rush traditions and start spamming baby dragons. As you are not wasting pops on alloy and consumer goods(trade), all your pops can be used on science and unity. Even mineral usage is minimized since you are not making alloys in early game. Once ecumenpolis is up start making alloys and ships. Had tons of fun with this build.

@dom6637 2 жыл бұрын

An interesting idea. I might steal this idea but go further down the route of "no alloys" by getting the crisis perk 😂

@Sy-jz4eq 2 жыл бұрын

Tested a few more times and its actually not that bad. I recommend starting with angler and exalted priesthood to maximized unity while getting barely enough consumer goods and energy to survive. As you are basically not using technicians, miners, artisans, and metallurgists, don't research anything that improves them. Once you have your 4th tradition and the third civics point, get reanimators and ditch the exalted priesthood for something else. Go around with your dragon and kill leviathans to revive them. The biggest RNG is getting the living metal research. Also, trading communications with every AI you meet seems to trigger galactic community much faster. I feel like this is a somewhat sacrilegious min-max thing that may work.

@JabberwockOclock 2 жыл бұрын

How do you afford upgrading your starbases without increased alloy income?

@Sy-jz4eq 2 жыл бұрын

@@JabberwockOclock there’s a base 5 alloy and you can buy the rest. But yeah, mostly you won’t be expanding much or upgrading starbase until later in the game

@booyaman85 2 жыл бұрын

Montu love your stuff. Your ship builds and test are great. but, what about Jugg? I know its only 1 ship per active aat but. do you have a setup for it?

@90kalos1 2 жыл бұрын

I've heard some reports that living metal always spawns near your home system with this origin

@7flavorshrimp62 2 жыл бұрын

Not a lot of videos recently on driven as simulators anywhere. Now that pops are crazy valuable, what kind of build do you think would be worth running on them?

@Captaintrippz 2 жыл бұрын

Spam alloys, take worlds, hear the lamentations of their women.

@DrApylon 2 жыл бұрын

You needed to pick up One Vision, not Tech Ascendency first, the +10% Unity really adds up if you have Exalted Priesthood, three planets with temples and Veneration of the Saints (high priests also get the +20% output). I would highly suggest the trait Resilient, its +50% defensive army damage for 1 point and you can genemod it away later (trust, it actually makes defensive zombies way way stronger like they basically counter double the invasion power and can easily fend off invasions due to the chance at making more zombies). For Traditions I would suggest Expansion, Prosperity, Unyielding in that order, Expansion is actually very critical in a timing sense, it cuts down the time to get a colony up and running significantly, it also gives you +1 free district which can help if you have two resource poor planets, Prosperity, is prosperity, its good, no surprise. I suggest unyielding because of the left tree, it makes claims more expensive, you war exhaustion higher and you take 25% less stacking bombardment damage (75% less without fortress world spec is good), you get defensive army damage and you have the old bonus from the Harmony tree of +33% fire rate and +25%(i think?) build speed in a defensive war. You also get 4 more starbases that have 33% more HP and DMG, which is a significant boost early game if you use the edicts for Armor/Shields. I really like this build shown in the video, I just want it to make alloy monkes even more angry as they spend an entire war bombing one planet. My friends, we can go bigger, and even more annoying.

@VarkhanMB 2 жыл бұрын

I'm still new to the game and I know this is old so it might not work in 3.4.4, but what would you swap out to put Resilient in? Additionally, how wide should I expand after the 2 colonies? I never know when to stop expanding and start turtling... Any more advice you could give?

@danban9305 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. That's... some combo. You start with a dragon, and even if it dies you can reanimate it. Just, wow.

@domschra 2 жыл бұрын

Me who only recently learned the basics of stellaris: *HM YES VERY INTERESTING*

@alecneal8335 2 жыл бұрын

I believe taking the here be dragons origin gives you a guaranteed living metal spawn close to your home system

@Lucawalke.r 2 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of scp 1762 here be dragons a really sad story I just love it

@naethorn5755 2 жыл бұрын

Hey montu i have a cool empire build which i would like you to try out and see if it some potential for being meta. Ethics-xenophile authoratarian materialist civics- aristocratic elite plus pleasure seekers origin- mechanist At the start of the game change policies to ai servitude so robot pops work as servants which (with PS) will produce 9ish amenities per robo pop . This would cover up for the nobles jobs which dont produce any amenities. Could u try this out for me to see if this would be kinda meta

@flinfake 2 жыл бұрын

9ish amenities per *unemployed* robot pop. +5 stability equals +3% resource output to all resources. The maximum amenities bonus (twice what is used) improves happiness by 20%. Decadent lifestyle also improves happiness by 20%. Amenities equal happiness and happiness equals stability. Max happiness gives +30% stability, and stability maxes at 100 which equates to +30% resources. Stability and happiness can be acquired from other sources and most of the time I see planets hovering at around 65~70 stability with less than 10 surplus amenities on worlds with 60+ pops. So you would realistically be getting +18~24% resource output on a fully developed world. That is, +20%~ in return for two civics and some workers providing that percentage increase and not doing anything else. On a generalized world, this might be good, as this boost applies to everything, but then you wouldn't benefit as much from specialization designations, and buildings that provide bonuses would provide it to fewer pertinent pops. It has roleplay potential, but a specialized world made by a generic empire would get the same or similar production quicker with less micro, fewer pops, and a lower investment on initial resources. Again, I love the idea, I have played a similar empire single-player and loved it, but it isn't viable in competitive multiplayer.

@naethorn5755 2 жыл бұрын

@@flinfake Holy Shii.........

@naethorn5755 2 жыл бұрын

@@flinfake but yea i agree (edit:thank you and sorry for the late response)

@flinfake 2 жыл бұрын

@@naethorn5755 No problem! I really like this build idea. I wish pop happiness and approval had more of an impact on gameplay.

@Xelnarash 2 жыл бұрын

what is about the "wild Dragon" .. can i reviewe them to?

@malachiashley528 Жыл бұрын

Ran into an undead army defense system. Really fun not knowing such things existed in game lol. 38 unit army got rekt xD

@cruorek Жыл бұрын

How would you update it to current game version?

@kharitus4038 2 жыл бұрын

oh, I thought you were talking about the SCP at first

@Kryles 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are cracked at this game! I don't play multiplayer with anyone but a specific friend, and I'm barely capable of beating the AI on Captain. Having 56 corvettes by 2230 seems unthinkable for me, much less destroyers. How do I get to that point?

@Fish_Priest 2 жыл бұрын

It's named powergaming and you have to watch many videos to understand it xD

@Kryles 2 жыл бұрын

@@Fish_Priest ah okay haha, I'll look into it. thank you!

@Captaintrippz 2 жыл бұрын

Early game tips: never use miners, just use the market to buy up to 50 minerals a month, get a foundery world asap, don't worry about admin cap til your ~100 over.

@gentleman_waffle 2 жыл бұрын

That opening clip is just my EDH deck in Magic: The Gathering 😅😅

@EnlonWhite 2 жыл бұрын

Do you have to go the Psyonic Ascension route to unlock the dragon? Cause I am at 2362 With near everything on repeatables on tech, and only two ascension perks LEFT TO PICK, and the dragon aint doing anything with me other then hanging out on my home system.....like I found this origin boring so far. But taking control and such that would be cool, just two games, and two NO DRAGON control.

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Not at all! 6 ascension perks or 1 completed ascension path and 4 perks (including the path). You do also have to complete the dragon first contact

@JokeFoMatch 2 жыл бұрын

Nice

@traveler263 2 жыл бұрын

I revived that like button

@swekyde41 2 жыл бұрын

Aren't you guaranteed a Living Metal deposit somewhere within the "guaranteed worlds" radius from your starting system with the Origin?

@linkhidalgogato 2 жыл бұрын

yes

@bigbenhgy 2 жыл бұрын

Finally. I play in a small galaxy, because of my computer and in my last 10-20 games, haven't seen a single deposit of living metal in the galaxy.

@Blacksnyder 2 жыл бұрын

It's bugged, according to some threads I've seen on the forum.

@linkhidalgogato 2 жыл бұрын

@@bigbenhgy i play on the max size and i never see living metal either i think its just extremely rare

@bengunn9670 2 жыл бұрын

But you are not guaranteed to have the tech.

@CrunchyFluids 2 жыл бұрын

What're the typical chances of resurrecting a dead leviathan? The civic makes it seem like you have a decent chance at failing.

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

100% *except certain leviathans cannot be restored. I.e. dragon can be, but others can't

@TheJackalsLairProductions 6 ай бұрын

I cant get past traits ots one -1 point left

@gideonmele1556 2 жыл бұрын

Alduin’s Revenge

@godzillagamer6942 2 жыл бұрын

Deep Striking Dragons

@MontuPlays 2 жыл бұрын

Pray you roll the scatter dice well!

@darkaxolotl980 Жыл бұрын

This doesn't really work against the dragon reanimation strat. The dragon, once reanimated, could easily kill your dragon and other fleet due to the bonuses it gets

@gabescrazy5504 2 жыл бұрын

not +30% boost to energy, it's +27.5%, you took base authoritarian, not fanatic so it's 2.5% increase.

@alexmannen1991 2 жыл бұрын

undead army is a meme u can get the same defensive power by spending 1k minerals and minerals are way easier to get than energy

@dom6637 2 жыл бұрын

Technicians produce way more energy per pop than miners do, no?

@JabberwockOclock 2 жыл бұрын

How so? Anything you could do with defense armies will only get stronger with Reanimators, so the only way you could do better with 1k minerals would involve assault armies, which are weaker. Remember that the Dread Encampment makes all of your defense armies undead, even those generated by Soldier and Enforcer jobs.

@Dratom1990 Жыл бұрын

1 planet challenge...hmmmm

@burntchicken9411 2 жыл бұрын

just spam as many ships as you can and never use plasma, works almost every time

@FrostReave 2 жыл бұрын

A uneducated opinion.

@burntchicken9411 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrostReave just because i do not spend hours managing my planets at lowest speed to get a +%1 bonus to [insert resource name] does not make me "uneducated", this strategy is simple and effective which does not make it uneducated either

@FrostReave 2 жыл бұрын

@@burntchicken9411 plasma is truly good for armored enemies and just mindlessly building ships with no care for design or composition while tanking your economy and research is what makes it an uneducated opinion.

@burntchicken9411 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrostReave ah you assume i auto design like some sort of 5 year old. I do take in account what weapons i am using and decide what works best. I usually use the same weapons and do not make specialized classes until the crisis shows up. And personally i just hate plasma. Managing my economy is quite simple as well, i just build what i need and wait for the notification of unemployment rising(since i usually have a shitload of planets and cannot manage them all without wasting time). I understand if you like micromanaging everything, but it is inefficient with regards to time spent

@bengunn9670 2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding? Plasma is OP as fuck in early game, where most hp are the hull hp.

@vincentthendean7713 2 жыл бұрын

>Anti-Meta >has to buy the newest expansion

@Keklan572 2 жыл бұрын

This guy literally is this at 2230 and I'm at this level at 2330.....

@tba3625 2 жыл бұрын

Erigo eo draco modo

@Banter07 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting

@Reg_The_Galah 2 жыл бұрын

Indeeed

@noahgray543 2 жыл бұрын

Wait, you get attacked by the AI when you aren't running Fanatic Xenophobe or one of the Crisis Civics? Why? I often dont build a fleet *until 2250* when I play vs just the AI. It doesn't take much diplomacy for them to declare you their best friend in existence and promise to defend you until the heat death of the universe. And, as a major plus, when you do attack them the shock of betrayal is hillarious.

@nemesis7087 2 жыл бұрын

What difficulty do you play on though when you play against the AI?

@noahgray543 2 жыл бұрын

@@nemesis7087 depends on how I'm feeling, I suppose? Admittedly though, when I do Grand Admiral it is always scaling and I haven't tried Grand Admiral since the newest patch.