@@DennyForrest-pk4kh yes and you can also ‘B torque’ from there as I call it. Once it gets below the elbow a handle torque will also get the clubhead going up. Less power there but you should get ball first contact. The real power is in the torsion arm. Either way the degrees of freedom dictate it. We work relative to ourselves more than the ground.

Well I am pretty sure you are alot stronger then I am so is there a strength advantage to one over the other?

@@DennyForrest-pk4kh do you mean relative to a splay vs Vardon vs karate chop etc? It’s more about ‘throwing’ into compression and the timing of that. I have two people I am helping that under 5’7” maybe 150lbs and not very strong who are now hitting their 7 irons 190-ish. They gained distance by changing their swing. Does strength help? Yes, for sure. But that should be relative to your goal. Want to drive it 300 and shoot low scores vs driving it 400. I would think the goal is to gain distance thru efficiency and 300 will be enough to play and score well on any course. If you want more, then hit the gym. But the swing doesn’t change. Just choose what fits you. If it’s pure power, you won’t beat the splay done correctly at that time in the motion. But that’s not needed to bomb a ball or shoot low scores.

This video is what I needed. I just hit a bucket of balls and now I know why some were too steep or trapped. I can’t thank you enough. I’ve learned more in the last few days than the last 10 years with other instruction.

@@garre71 I’ve never heard that before. When are you thinking it would stop?

Hmm, I know it do not stop but when clubhead goes up compress) i want to turn my body. I know you don't want that to happen. You have show us how to do it. But I guess I need to see the whole motion to grab it..

@@garre71 your trail shoulder works counter to it which mean the shoulder goes forward. The shoulder joint goes forward. That doesn’t mean the entire upper body swings around.

Ok👍

@@punkjazz1962 my email is frozendivots@gmail.com Several groups going and I can add your email to one. Lee and Michael are very good and I alway recommend them along with Bradley Hughes and Jon ‘Lagpressure’ I’ll have to dig into the Rock videos but Lee was all about compression in reach. I think he’s changed, or so I’m told. Not sure why.

Do you start compressing( turn the clubhead out)earlier with the longer clubs. Thinking about Dan Altons instructions..or do you go below elbow with every club?

@@garre71 always below unless you want more trap.