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@garre71
@garre71 2 күн бұрын
Keep the videos coming. I am getting closer
@andygaspare6207
@andygaspare6207 2 күн бұрын
I feel like my eyes like to see overhand. How does all this work differently if your swing is more like Rory’s. I’m a good player +3 but can get really lost some days just cuz I don’t know where to look
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 2 күн бұрын
@@andygaspare6207 its all in spatial processing, relative to frame. The more ‘overhand’ you go the more you need to see the angled frame. If you are a righty do you see the left eye higher than right eye frame? Because if you do, you will move to that frame, rather than horizontal. The result is staying in spine tilt without thinking about it. If you ‘see’ and react to that visual, all the spine tilts will happen. When we stand up and look at something, it goes to the middle of our frame. Now look at it from a golf stance to the side in an angled frame. That ‘picture’ is tilted and your movements to it will also be ‘angled’ Diagonal vs Horizontal Underhand is more horizontal, overhand is more diagonal, in golf.
@cugreg31
@cugreg31 2 күн бұрын
Can't unsee 5:24 and 5:35.
@user-pg5xt4bq4w
@user-pg5xt4bq4w 3 күн бұрын
Hey Frozen Divots do you by chance give lessons
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@user-pg5xt4bq4w you can send me a video at [email protected] I dont charge but will let you know what I see and what to do
@garre71
@garre71 3 күн бұрын
But I have no clue how to do the backswing. I get what you want with that bottle you lifted but I need to see it with two hands and then how to come down to that below the elbow position in full speed..do you drop it there or do you do that splay thing out to get there?
@garre71
@garre71 3 күн бұрын
I tried chipping like that now. Works really well
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@garre71 it does. I call it playing leap frog. Meaning the clubhead leaps up and comes down after the ball. Unlike trying to always go down at the ball. Just get used to 20-30 yard shots then go a little harder, etc. You’ll be surprised how that clubhead reacts and how far you can hit it. For example, in a half 7 iron shot, going up to waist height, I’ll hit it maybe 150-160. But in that swing the clubhead travels further than a normal ‘clubhead down’ path. It’s going up and around and has a few feet more of travel, even though my hands only go to waist height. Now add the speed from above the waist INTO that and that’s when you get that 7iron to 200+. Why? Because you are also adding more feet of travel to the whole motion.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@mmjjg-g3g for the most part. The trick is to think of it as a blended motion. There may be 2-3 ‘positions’ but it’s too fast to think of them. I splay into it, but think of it as one motion.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@mmjjg-g3g either way. For me the splay fires the clubhead and I feel like I get on top of the shaft and compress. It doesn’t feel like the clubhead goes ‘away’, it feels like I get onto the club. But that’s the advantage of the clubhead working UP from under the elbow. You can ‘lean’ on it. It’s coming back up to the pitch joint, so compress it down.
@garre71
@garre71 Күн бұрын
​@@frozendivots1564The half shots is really good. But from there to full swing i do not now what to do..😂 The hole backswing really..
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 Күн бұрын
@@garre71 send me a video if you can
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 3 күн бұрын
A crow bar is a typical lever. The lever’s fulcrum is the corner of the crow bar. The handle is the long end, the head the short end. The ground being fixed allows us to lever against it and gain the mechanical advantage by pulling on the long end of the crow bar. Now I have noticed that a golf club is like a crow bar in that there is a heavy end and a light end which positions the fulcrum nearer to the head. The linear momentum of the whole system will be maintained according to conservation of momentum (Newtons Laws) so will require external force to change it (us exerting force on the grip) The linear momentum of the club plays the part of the fixed ground because when you pull on the handle the heavy end (head) will experience a torque around the fulcrum which is the compression being spoken about in the video ( in my opinion). If there was no linear momentum then there would be nothing to lever against (no ground) and no levering effect. The linear momentum is the stage (pre-condition) upon which the leverage (torque) puts on a show (compression), sorry 😳 Mr FrozenDivots (I don’t know your name) presumably has figured out an action that allows us to take full advantage of this crow bar levering effect in mid air. I have done this on a more basic level where I drop the club down linearly towards the ball and then pull hard and upwards on the handle coming in to impact. I get a ball contact where I can actually hear the ball spinning, like a hissing sound. The nearest analogy I can come up with is a crow bar. I wonder am I close to the KZfaqr’s concept, probably not. Words are not good for this. A picture is worth a thousand words 😢
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 the human body is a lever system with floating, not fixed, fulcrums. In earlier videos I used a rope as an example because that’s a continuous lever, as in a moving fulcrum. In other words, what proceeds becomes the fulcrum. People get stuck thinking of class levers as used in tools, etc, but the human body is a continuous lever, with non-fixed fulcrums. Not all fulcrums are fixed. So to take advantage of the arm, which is where we are at so far, you need to build in torque cancelations and open the pitch lever when the clubhead gets below it. Now you can compress, drag, turn, etc. You have a humerus that transfers force, and moves into a torque cancelling position and becomes the fulcrum for what’s ahead of it. We are a compression and tension network and the club is no different. So we want that clubhead going UP so we have more to work with. Now you can recruit mass and bend that club in half, or try to.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 3 күн бұрын
I actually changed my chipping and pitching to having the low clubhead. No more fat shots. I used to pick it up like you said and go ‘down’. Please post the cone video again because that shape now make total sense. Thanks FD!
@johncappella1216
@johncappella1216 3 күн бұрын
COAM was a big part of Joe Dante's book Winning Golf, The Four Magic Moves, essentially doing a forward press ,holding trail wrist backwards all the way thru impact while body turn does the complete job.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 3 күн бұрын
@@johncappella1216 yes but he misunderstood what COAM really is.
@Toxicbell
@Toxicbell 4 күн бұрын
Do you have a video of your full swing?
@maeu59
@maeu59 5 күн бұрын
So no flat lead wrist?
@fairwaydavid
@fairwaydavid 9 күн бұрын
Wild Bill Mehlhorn
@tjostrom5530
@tjostrom5530 9 күн бұрын
Awesome!! Thank you!
@christopherxl
@christopherxl 11 күн бұрын
This is the same move that Bryson had a huge breakthrough on a few years ago. Helped him hit consistent draws. He has a KZfaq video where he catches the moment he figures it out
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 11 күн бұрын
@@christopherxl I think I remember it but I thought it was different. Do you have the link?
@christopherxl
@christopherxl 11 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edt6o9x-28W6iqc.html His is more specifically focused on the wrist motion
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 11 күн бұрын
.. wouldn’t the lead arm have to be bent at the elbow to do this splay release. All your demos of it show your lead elbow going from bent to straight. Is that part of your method, bent lead elbow after transition?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 11 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 my spine is degenerative so my right side has muscles that don’t work so it’s easier for me to bend. You can do it either way. More power in bending, for sure.
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 11 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 ah ok, sorry to hear that. Isn’t it interesting that Elkington is saying that this torsion move is a fifth power accumulator which The Golfing Machine didn’t include. Homer Kelley must not have studied Ben Hogan’s swing closely enough maybe
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 11 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 Elk is a great, but I think he was intentionally vague too often. He knows more than he is letting on. Most instructors don’t even know, truly. Homer missed a lot but we all do. At least he got the wheels of golf instruction turning.
@MrJPRMD
@MrJPRMD 11 күн бұрын
I am new to your YT channel and I am truly amazed about the compression principle through the trail arm “torque pendulum” your proposing for the golf swing. I have over 50 years of golf experience and I am a 3-handicapper and yet this is all new to me. I tried your method for the first time in the range this morning and experienced an immediate surge of power from my irons!! My 7-iron went from an average of 150 yards of carry to 165 ! As you said, this method is completely counter-intuitive but it tremendously works!! However, I found difficult to apply these important concepts to my driver and to a lesser extent my fairway woods. Could the ball sitting on the tee peg instead of on the ground imply ajustements on how to apply the compression? Any suggestions? Cheers! Jean-Pierre
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 11 күн бұрын
@@MrJPRMD the driver and woods are dependent on the clubhead being BELOW the elbow ( at waist height) so the clubhead RISES. You can get away with it a bit on irons. If the clubhead is too high there, it crashes and de-lofts too much. If it’s under it will rise. If you get this worked out you’ll notice that on irons that your divot can be several inches ahead of the ball. A 3 wood off the fairway will get swept or maybe have a light divot ahead of the ball.
@MrJPRMD
@MrJPRMD 11 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 Thanks for the speedy reply ! I shall apply these adjustments and let you know !
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 12 күн бұрын
.. here is Martin Ayers showing various counter balancing motions like hammer throw, looks like the Min Woo Lee example kzfaq.info/get/bejne/muCopMWrzqmbn2Q.htmlsi=ub7yia9YiY_L73fy Martin found it very hard to explain himself as well, it’s a difficult thing to convey obviously. When I try these moves transition feels like the club acts like a helicopter blade above my head and drops down behind me. The torsion move in this video with the can is Martin Ayers claw move, there’s no doubt about it in my mind. Martin doesn’t show how to unfurl it though. Here is Martin demonstrating the furling of the torsion arm kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nsp1ZKqSlqvSYYU.htmlsi=0c7SonCqlj16patk
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 12 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 the slight difference in MW Lee is complying to the line in place as much as possible where the hammer throw is more around you. Yes, both will have that helicopter feel and both work and using that is based on you and what you like to do. It’s best to experiment with that ‘line in space’
@Lje7
@Lje7 12 күн бұрын
The triangle amplification part has reminded me of a Cooper Osborne video where he teaches a push shot. But the full swing he says to feel like keeping palm on top of shaft facing the ball and then punch/push through it. Not sure if you’ve heard of him or if I’m on the right lines with the triangle amplifier part. His teacher was Tom Tomasello
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 12 күн бұрын
@@Lje7 I think he is the spiral, golden ratio guy. He is great. The golden ratio is the baby brother to a more complex shape and force that ‘powers’ the spiral, if that makes sense. The triangle amplification is used best in the splay, regarding the arms. Driving each side (forearms) and getting it BACK twofold (or close) into the club. The best way to power a spiral, is to invert a cone. Why? Well you get more for less. A general way to see this is that energy isn’t like turning on a hose, just pass thru. It’s a trade, back and forth. You get a fulcrum effect where you normally wouldn’t. What powers then becomes the fulcrum to amplify.
@lasantiago88
@lasantiago88 12 күн бұрын
Great videos! Thank you!
@thesoundsession
@thesoundsession 13 күн бұрын
This is sort of bizarre. Youre showing how to throw a football or a ball of some kind while holding a can of anti freeze and referring to a golf swing. Huh?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 13 күн бұрын
@@thesoundsession not bizarre to those who see it and figured it out.
@garre71
@garre71 12 күн бұрын
If you try it you feel it..the load and look att that bottle
@bonjovi7120
@bonjovi7120 15 күн бұрын
My god i thought kamala harris could talking without saying anything. But you are outdoing her😂😂😂😂
@johnronan5478
@johnronan5478 15 күн бұрын
Heady stuff. Love it!
@stevejames7511
@stevejames7511 15 күн бұрын
Full backswing, please ... Address through contact! ⛳🏌
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 15 күн бұрын
It’s better without to see what is supposed to be seen.
@garre71
@garre71 15 күн бұрын
​@@DennyForrest-pk4khAgree, but need to see two hands on the golfclub. Do he take the club inside and then ott or does he go just up an club falls on the inside. I am standing infront of a mirror and try a lot of things here..😅
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 15 күн бұрын
@@garre71 take it where you want. Did you notice the can drew a line? I carry that line when pitching. With two hands you can work that line and watch your swing turn into Matthew Wolff. Matthew’s swing went south because he drifts, easy fix. But I will get into it more. Remember this- we have a geometry and so does our surroundings.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 14 күн бұрын
@@garre71 watch this- he’s going right up in front of himself- m.kzfaq.info4B_5dwNwE04
@garre71
@garre71 14 күн бұрын
​@@frozendivots1564This is so interesting and sick at the same time. I think i seen a man in Sweden teach this like 20 years ago. He wrote an article in the Swedish Golfdigest. And he was invited to a siminar to talk about this ,were all the golfteachers where invited. But he got pissed when Lynn Blake (the golfing machine)from US was invited to and was payed trippel as much. So then he did not show up and then he dispeared from golf. Went to see him but I was to to new to the game to grab what he suggested
@garre71
@garre71 16 күн бұрын
Thanks! 😃 I think Martin Ayers do a similar move?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@garre71 not sure what he does now. I know his older stuff and it isn’t like this. You’ll see.
@garre71
@garre71 15 күн бұрын
It looks like him, if you look at be better golf when he is trying to explain and his latest stuff on his page. But i don't know i am just a guesser 😂. Wish i could visit and sit for ours and discuss the golfswing so I finally know what i what to do. Mayby in my next life..😂
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 15 күн бұрын
@@garre71 I’ll have to take a look. I am using the full 14, when that extends you’ll notice the degrees of freedom shrink. There is no twirl and dump, etc. maybe Martin changed things. Not sure. I can map his swing and tell you exactly what he’s doing now, if it’s changed or not.
@vincentvela3774
@vincentvela3774 12 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 It looks somewhat similar to Martin's "Most Powerful Move in Golf" of a few years ago.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 12 күн бұрын
@@vincentvela3774 you could take it back that way if you want. I think he went inward to his side, if I remember right. All I’m doing here is showing ONE line. There are many more…we have a geometry and our surroundings have a geometry.
@mmjjg-g3g
@mmjjg-g3g 16 күн бұрын
Thanks FD. That makes a lot of sense :)
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@mmjjg-g3g we will start adding two hands on a club and then change angles, directions, etc. You want that retracting and extending torsion arm but with two arms you won’t really see it. Rather than just swinging an arm or arms. The pitching example is different than what people show as an underarm throw. And torsion beats a weak arm ‘swing’ or a windmill action.
@mmjjg-g3g
@mmjjg-g3g 16 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 Looking forward to seeing that :) Is the trail hand dominant thruout the entire motion or?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@mmjjg-g3g mine is. I have degenerative spine going on and losing my right (lead) side. Many my right side muscles are gone, or in the process of being gone. So it better be trail side for me. Until those go, then I need to figure out a No Sided Swing.
@mmjjg-g3g
@mmjjg-g3g 16 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 Oh, sorry to hear that.
@stevejames7511
@stevejames7511 16 күн бұрын
Do this with a club in your hand!
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@stevejames7511 I have many times. People don’t see it so I am building to it part by part. You won’t see it in a golf swing without knowing
@goathumper111
@goathumper111 16 күн бұрын
Thanks. This helps.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 16 күн бұрын
It’s the torsion arm going backwards. Your last video was the opposite. Load and unload.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh yes and that line I just went up is a Matthew Wolff type swing if I keep the line there. I can keep that line there relative to me in a rotation and you won’t see it as much, but it’s still there. Now swing it down a direct line and the splay happens.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh and did I ‘swing’ my arm back? How far ‘back’ did my hand go? At the top I have complete leverage and zero strain. In a fastpitch softball move I have no ‘windmill around’, yet throw harder than windmill. Proper use of the arm.
@grovercarter1126
@grovercarter1126 16 күн бұрын
Why don’t we see you shanking, I mean hitting balls?
@garre71
@garre71 17 күн бұрын
Can you do your whole golfswing in slowmotion? So i can see when club goes up in motion. Feels like the club should kind of stop..
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 17 күн бұрын
@@garre71 I’ve never heard that before. When are you thinking it would stop?
@garre71
@garre71 16 күн бұрын
Hmm, I know it do not stop but when clubhead goes up compress) i want to turn my body. I know you don't want that to happen. You have show us how to do it. But I guess I need to see the whole motion to grab it..
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 16 күн бұрын
@@garre71 your trail shoulder works counter to it which mean the shoulder goes forward. The shoulder joint goes forward. That doesn’t mean the entire upper body swings around.
@garre71
@garre71 16 күн бұрын
Ok👍
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 17 күн бұрын
At 2:26, I’m getting this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s also the shape you had posted. Please put that video up again!!!!! That’s it, right? F yeah it is
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 17 күн бұрын
You, Sir, have a great eye
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 17 күн бұрын
I’ll get ahead of myself because you see and get it. 7 degrees with 14 rotations working into 1. The 7th is the divider also in space or where that joint is. That’s why the inversion is there. What someone like Hovland is doing is getting it there and ‘carrying it’ through. Now you need the spine angle and all the rest. In other words it’s more like a carrying of a plane (for him) rather than inverting and recruiting. That 7 (also the middle of 14 to the 1) is that flat spot on the real swing shape I posted, also in the middle. Not coincidence, it’s nature. The numbers line up because nature does.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 17 күн бұрын
I understand it and my mind is blown. The 14,7 and 1 make it eerie.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 17 күн бұрын
What were the numbers from the other video, the shape one.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 17 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh the irrational, etc of the golden ratio? That gets really into the weeds and that’s why I pulled it. It’s using nature and frequency with geometry to show what nature is showing us, but you can’t see it. You can’t see it because it’s either too slow, too fast or just not visible in our spectrum. But it’s there. The golden ratio is a just a small part of it and there is a source. But people identify with the golden ratio and spirals see that symmetry in golf. When really the big brother of it shows more. That’s what that was about.
@hclh570
@hclh570 17 күн бұрын
What about the driver?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 17 күн бұрын
@@hclh570 doing a video showing how the club comes up in line.
@RMPGolf
@RMPGolf 19 күн бұрын
Hey Frozen, nice to see you out and about again. I'll catch up when I can, RR.
@punkjazz1962
@punkjazz1962 19 күн бұрын
How does one go about getting access to or involved with the email group? I have always been a big fan of Lee Comeaux and have spent four hours on a cold late September morning in Chicago with Michael Broderick. Thank you for sharing such great information and now going back and watching the original Lee/Rock videos, you can see him talking about and demonstrating the compression move.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 19 күн бұрын
@@punkjazz1962 my email is [email protected] Several groups going and I can add your email to one. Lee and Michael are very good and I alway recommend them along with Bradley Hughes and Jon ‘Lagpressure’ I’ll have to dig into the Rock videos but Lee was all about compression in reach. I think he’s changed, or so I’m told. Not sure why.
@garre71
@garre71 19 күн бұрын
Do you start compressing( turn the clubhead out)earlier with the longer clubs. Thinking about Dan Altons instructions..or do you go below elbow with every club?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 19 күн бұрын
@@garre71 always below unless you want more trap.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 19 күн бұрын
Aaahhhh…I always wondered on the Vardon part. So I see why I would over compress, as I called it. More great info.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 19 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh yes and you can also ‘B torque’ from there as I call it. Once it gets below the elbow a handle torque will also get the clubhead going up. Less power there but you should get ball first contact. The real power is in the torsion arm. Either way the degrees of freedom dictate it. We work relative to ourselves more than the ground.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 19 күн бұрын
Well I am pretty sure you are alot stronger then I am so is there a strength advantage to one over the other?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 19 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh do you mean relative to a splay vs Vardon vs karate chop etc? It’s more about ‘throwing’ into compression and the timing of that. I have two people I am helping that under 5’7” maybe 150lbs and not very strong who are now hitting their 7 irons 190-ish. They gained distance by changing their swing. Does strength help? Yes, for sure. But that should be relative to your goal. Want to drive it 300 and shoot low scores vs driving it 400. I would think the goal is to gain distance thru efficiency and 300 will be enough to play and score well on any course. If you want more, then hit the gym. But the swing doesn’t change. Just choose what fits you. If it’s pure power, you won’t beat the splay done correctly at that time in the motion. But that’s not needed to bomb a ball or shoot low scores.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 19 күн бұрын
This video is what I needed. I just hit a bucket of balls and now I know why some were too steep or trapped. I can’t thank you enough. I’ve learned more in the last few days than the last 10 years with other instruction.
@DunnGolfing
@DunnGolfing 19 күн бұрын
Trombone release pure Vardon 🔥 great explanation 👍
@Lje7
@Lje7 20 күн бұрын
Not sure if I’ve missed it, but what do you mean by needing resistance? Also since trying to get my ‘torsion arm’ down to compress like you’ve shown us, I feel like my swing is only the second part of your shopping cart analogy and not the first? By focusing on compressing down my back swing feels like an ‘up’ swing and my trail hand automatically stays on top of the shaft. Is that how it should feel? I’m hitting well with it but just wondering if I should be feeling the 2 parts of the shopping cart analogy and not just the second part. Sorry for the long message but I hope that make sense. Thanks
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 20 күн бұрын
I’ll do another video later today. Tough to explain in words alone.
@Lje7
@Lje7 20 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 thank you appreciate it
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 21 күн бұрын
You don’t have comments on in the force and the other geometry video. I get the force one but what does the geometry one mean concerning golf?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 21 күн бұрын
There are interactions/force/geometry around you that you can’t see, much more than you can see. But knowing how things happen where we can’t see define where we can see. Long story short it helps to decipher what a golfer is doing and one can do, as far as golf goes. I think that video was a response to someone saying the topic was incoherent and unrelated to golf. How motion happens and can be mapped isn’t unrelated to golf. And if one uses mathematics to define nature, they have it backwards and miss the real picture. [email protected] will be easier.
@spondiveswandive561
@spondiveswandive561 21 күн бұрын
Why go from that move like a standard swing in the first place …why not just start with compressive move right from the start of the down swing?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 21 күн бұрын
It depends on if you are in a position to leverage like that early. You load shaft on backswing and the first part of downswing and when you compress, you’ve got some speed and shaft load there. Not sure what you by standard swing but there is little compression there, as I see a standard swing.
@spondiveswandive561
@spondiveswandive561 21 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564I guess that first part of downswing on the splay release video
@spondiveswandive561
@spondiveswandive561 21 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564this is all very interesting to me because I swing it weak all over the course and shoot low 90’s to high 80’s ….this is definatly a much more powerful feeling for me and I can’t wait to try this playing
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 21 күн бұрын
@@spondiveswandive561 yes you have to work on torsion and when to use it. I’ll do an another video on why you don’t want it early, from a technical point of view. It’s because of the symmetry of what/where is being ‘torqued’. We aren’t cylinders so the effect is different. Our arm has multiple bones and will react differently under torsion. So we have a certain part of the swing arc where it is good and a certain part where it is bad.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 21 күн бұрын
@@spondiveswandive561 I’d start with short high torsion pitch shots…just fool around on a practice green for a bit.
@garre71
@garre71 21 күн бұрын
How is your backswing?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 21 күн бұрын
I rotate the handle around the head, the opposite way of the backswing motion. That winds the forearms and I work into the Splay and compress.
@garre71
@garre71 20 күн бұрын
​@@frozendivots1564Can you show?
@johnoxley1946
@johnoxley1946 22 күн бұрын
way to technical. Just demonstrate what you're on about instead of waffling on with technicalities and creating more confusion. KISS. Keep it simple stupid.. Clay Ballard is another one who gets too tecnical. Another golf pro who confuses more than he displays.
@garre71
@garre71 22 күн бұрын
World class info!👍👍
@miltonpurdy1784
@miltonpurdy1784 23 күн бұрын
Could you please make a vide where you talk in very plain, simple English showing us exactly what to do and how to do it. Most of us are not smart enough to understand your physics terminology. Thanks so much!!
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 23 күн бұрын
I just added a few that show exact moves. Will do more…😉
@Wooduck
@Wooduck 23 күн бұрын
Things are difficult to explain aren’t they frozen? I did 187 vids on Cmotion in 2104 and learned a few things from Lee. The one thing he told me in our first conversation was find myself. Much water has passed under the bridge since then and I have done just that. One thing I’ve noticed Lee does well is keeping the shaft on the ball flight line which is the only plane one needs to understand to hit pure shots. Like your stuff especially resistance which I reference as a brake. Lee is very smart and I’ve always respected his coaching, he’s a good mentor. Have fun, because I had a blast with him for 3 years. Thanks
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 23 күн бұрын
I think it’s easy to explain but difficult to be understood When not in person. Two different things. People used to hammer Lee, especially on forums. Lee always said what he was doing. There’s a lot of misinformation out there and I know for a fact much of it is intentional, that’s what irks me. But you do a great job, love your channel
@Wooduck
@Wooduck 23 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564 thanks frozen when you break what your doing down and what I’m doing we have many similar motions. It’s all how you present it and how your presentation is perceived, we control 50% the other we have no control over. Stay cool brother it’s hot as crap here in Tennessee right now. Have a great weekend!!
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 23 күн бұрын
Just swinging a club in my office and Holy F’ing Power!!!!!!
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 23 күн бұрын
It’s short high derivative move in a small part of the arc. The fastest way to move the club IN THAT segment of the arc (remember that point). The better you load before that while keeping the club in position for it, the faster the club will go. This is why you CAN aim at the ball and not worry about other routing. It’s all related to derivatives. I’ll repost a short derivatives video I did a few months back.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 23 күн бұрын
I’m not sure what secret in the dirt means but just trying this without a ball into the ground I can move much more dirt than I could before. It’s so powerful. Is that what you think the secret in the dirt may mean? It means that to me for whatever that’s worth.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 23 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh who know what that really means but I like your take on it better than others I have heard. Your clubhead is moving faster with compression so it should move more dirt.
@DennyForrest-pk4kh
@DennyForrest-pk4kh 22 күн бұрын
So the mistake I make now is overcompressing the ball and that’s a mistake I will live with!!! I hit it great when I nail it but my mishits are the opposite as they were but the ball still gets smacked. This is really good stuff. I actually like coming from the top above my shoulder by my ear. Really good contact and power.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 22 күн бұрын
@@DennyForrest-pk4kh just keep grooving it and you may need a shaft or lie angle tweak, etc. Going from the ‘ear’ is great. Check out Michael Broderick and Lee Comeaux. That position is ideal for many people.
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 24 күн бұрын
Golf, a two part action, I never knew that. I’ve heard of swingers and hitters where the hitters actively extend the right arm but this corkscrew compression move with the right arm is new to me. I wonder do swingers do that as well or maybe neither do it, can’t wait to try this out, it makes sense, thanks very much for the video
@Lje7
@Lje7 24 күн бұрын
Would I be right in thinking that your coming into the ball with the heel? face open? . And then you do this move down at the ball? I have had pretty good success coming into the ball with the heel as the club feels like it naturally squares up at impact because of the design of the club. My struggle is hitting thin of the ground due to lack of compression, your explanation of this down move is what I think I’ve been missing. I’m glad I’ve found your videos, thanks for the help. I’ve watched Lee C for a long time but couldn’t really understand him very well. He seems to have deleted all his videos now which is a shame
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 24 күн бұрын
You’ve got it and it sounds like all you need is that torsion arm for compression. Lee is great. I’m sure he will post again. The problem is trolls who intentionally ruin threads and posts. But Lee knows his stuff and tells the truth. Many others don’t.
@blakenorman4822
@blakenorman4822 24 күн бұрын
Which way does the trail arm twist into the ball, as im looking down at my hands my arm is rotating clockwise?
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 24 күн бұрын
The shoulder and hand work against each other. Shoulder forward, hand (fingers) pointing to your right (for a righty). Now you have a torsion arm to compress down. Don’t ’swing the arm’, compress it in extension. Try it with short pitch shots first.
@garre71
@garre71 24 күн бұрын
Thanks again!
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 24 күн бұрын
.. yes the reason we gain angular momentum is because we are bracing against the ground while trying to twist the torso and pull the club down. Force multiplied by Time equals Momentum so if we are applying force while bracing then your angular momentum is increasing for as long as we are applying force from our muscles etc At impact the momentum has built up and presumably we want to maximise the momentum of our extremity which is the club or our hands I suppose. To do this we need to change shape like the skater. If our distribution of mass comes closer to the axis of rotation then our angular velocity goes up. I presume that’s what we want? What’s the best way to do this, hmmm 🤔
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 24 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t recommend a twist or a pull. The skater is conserving, we are not. We are not spinning circles and gaining speed inward. Her shape change is in conservation, not gain. That’s velocity gain, not momentum gain. She gains all of her momentum without really a shape change, because she’s going in circles. I’ve got more info in other videos here and much more in others ones if I can find them.
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 20 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564ok, well I’ve no idea what you mean then. First: The skater draws her hands and arms in close to her body and her angular speed increases due to conservation of angular momentum, that’s not my opinion, thats physics. Now when she draws her hands in close to her body then I’m calling that a “change of shape” but I don’t think you are calling it that. Define “change of shape”. Second: bracing against the ground like an anchor point and “twisting” or rotating or turning or whatever word we use is causing the angular momentum in the system to increase, we inject momentum through our effort, so the momentum starts at zero at address and builds up to impact or slightly before maybe. Your idea of momentum building also seems to be something different. Define what you mean when you say the momentum is building as opposed to conserving. You do realise that before momentum can be conserved that it has to be built up or accumulated. What I said in my previous comment is fairly clear I hope but your language is not clear to me at all but of course it’s not simple either. By the way your right arm action video helped me to start to compress the ball at last. I can’t seem to hit it high though, lowish penetrating spinny bullets which I can live with 😊 so thank you again
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 20 күн бұрын
@@frozendivots1564.. when you say she gains all of her momentum I think you mean speed. In physics angular momentum is angular speed multiplied by mass. However there is moment of inertia also which brings in the shape of the spinning object. The terms are very specific. As the skater draws her arms close and her angular speed increases her momentum is not increasing or decreasing, it is the same. It’s just that she has redistributed her mass which is now “easier” to rotate so the speed rises but the underlying momentum remains the same, anyhow sorry for all the words!
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 20 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 the skater does what I said, I am talking about her pulling of arms in. Thats conserving. She already has the momentum. Now she conserves for velocity. We don’t start in a circle and shrink the same shape. We change shape. Our shape changes the entire swing. How we do that matters. We never get to conserve. Our address shape through impact is change. So we build angular momentum different than a skater spinning in circles. Not sure why my idea of building momentum is ‘different’. Of course we inject angular momentum through effort. The reason you are hitting it low is because your compression isn’t working the club UP. Remember, the videos are answer to a larger group email so I will do another video to fill in that blank. Down is up and up is down. We don’t swing in a spiral, that’s an illusion.
@frozendivots1564
@frozendivots1564 20 күн бұрын
@@cdunne1620 that’s what I said. I used velocity. The angular velocity increases. She already has momentum. She got that from her skate ‘path’.