Responding To Comments (This Is Not An Apology, And I Still Support Black Lives Matter)

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@janewiseman
@janewiseman 4 жыл бұрын
"When you debate a person about something that affects them more than if affects you, remember that it will take a much greater emotional toll on them than on you. For you it may feel like an academic exercise. For them, it feels like revealing their pain only to have you dismiss their experience and sometimes their humanity. The fact that you might remain more calm under these circumstances is a consequence of your privilege, not increased objectivity on your part. Stay humble." -clinical psychologist Dr. Alexandra Solomon
@annaericsson6160
@annaericsson6160 4 жыл бұрын
Ughh yes! This is probably the biggest reason why everyone is critisising her. No tact at all. The quick topic change to animal crossing really proved how little this issue matter to her emotionally.
@janewiseman
@janewiseman 4 жыл бұрын
@@annaericsson6160 I agree. Her attitude of superiority and dismissal were so unearned and misplaced. Though, I know she values "experts" (in cases other than this I guess) so I thought sharing this might give her something else to think about. What she did was worse than doing nothing.
@neray44
@neray44 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for your comment, what a stimulating quote! we tend to focus on how emotions distort our understanding of different topics and tend to percieve someone less emotionally expressive during a debate as more credible/legitimate. when someone who experiences racism talks about their life, which is so intimately affected by racsim and carries the marks of pain caused by sytemic violence, how are they supposed to detach themself so easily from omnipresent pain? in this context, the expression of pain through emotional expression should make the person speaking about violence caused by racism much more credible; at the very moment someone intimately affected expresses emotions caused by racism, they exemplify the hurt caused by systemic violence, which makes them more credible in showing the real life consequences of racism. what about privilege, something that is much less visible and much more subtle than emotional expressions in the abovementioned context? is the distorting effect of privilige on how people understand the world not much more dangerous, as it is often less detectable? is it not much more dangerous to base legitimacy on 'objectivity', which is often defined as a lack of emotion, when this very state of being emotionally detached stems from privilege?
@janewiseman
@janewiseman 4 жыл бұрын
@@neray44 Great analysis and very well said.
@ashelymeador1824
@ashelymeador1824 4 жыл бұрын
This quote is everything!
@hazeldunne5895
@hazeldunne5895 4 жыл бұрын
It is very arrogant to assume that the slew of people who argue what you said in your last video didn't understand what you said. It is far more likely that either you didn't convey your message accurately or they are correct in their statements.
@erin9412
@erin9412 4 жыл бұрын
Hazel Dunne She’s about as defensive as a 12-year-old... majorly disappointing
@eringate
@eringate 4 жыл бұрын
That really creams my corn as well; when people tell you that you must have misunderstood when you don't agree with their points. So childish.
@torvaderon
@torvaderon 4 жыл бұрын
All of my classmates agree so you must be wrong. You know that there are literally billions of religious people. Does that mean there is a god?
@megamorpher1
@megamorpher1 4 жыл бұрын
but if she didn't convey her message accurately... doesn't that mean that people didn't understand her?
@brunettezprettyr4296
@brunettezprettyr4296 4 жыл бұрын
@@erin9412 are you done gaslighting?
@JustKet99
@JustKet99 4 жыл бұрын
22:15 "Science is science..." but... that's the issue. Science when looking at minorities is skewed. Some doctors TODAY think that black people cannot feel pain like other people can. From skewed, incorrect, science. Look at the statics of medical fatalities and minority comparisons. Black women are 5x more likely do die in childbirth. Yes, science is important to look at here but it's important to understand that sometimes the science is just wrong.
@brittb645
@brittb645 4 жыл бұрын
This is a case where the stats demonstrate how flawed "experts" can be. Obviously we cannot leave it up to obstetricians alone to solve the problem of black women dying more often in labor, where the "expert" fails because either the expert or the system is set up to fail black women.
@literallyimtrash7975
@literallyimtrash7975 4 жыл бұрын
not to mention the lack of trust the black community have with doctors due to test done on them such as the Tuskegee syphilis experiment
@Quetzalcoats
@Quetzalcoats 4 жыл бұрын
I generally admire Swayze's science led approach to veganism but it's important to be willing to think critically about any given scientific consensus too. Scientific consensus can be weaponised to oppress people and reinforce power structures. We've seen this happen many times with racial and ethnic groups, sexual minorities, and other victimised groups. It's not some neutral force for good.
@cassied.6731
@cassied.6731 4 жыл бұрын
Science and statistics are so ridiculously easy to manipulate, so easy that it often happens on accident as well as on purpose. That's why so much of it needs to be reviewed multiple times by multiple people. However, if a racist statistic is made and reviewed by people born and raised in a racist system, then they often can't or don't want to check their own gross bias.
@bimbowithadegree420
@bimbowithadegree420 4 жыл бұрын
It's like she doesnt know we had scientific racism and sexism for years. Remeber when they thought skull shape determined your intellegence and value? Or when women were diagnosed with hysteria and basically sexually abused with dildos as a cure? Plus she didn't look into the science, she missed so many studies that explain a lot of the things she misinterpreted. In sociology there's so much literature on institutional racism. This is her worse video to date
@CinnamonBasic
@CinnamonBasic 4 жыл бұрын
Let me ask you this. Is silence about animal cruelty contributing to it continuing? Yes. And you know that. Otherwise you wouldn't be a vegan activist. So you know damn well white silence about racism contributes to it continuing.
@sierrabird3817
@sierrabird3817 4 жыл бұрын
^^^ this. This video and the one prior were so astoundingly off putting in tone deafness and ignorance, the fact that she doesn’t get why it was so negatively received and doubles down and says this video is not an apology says a lot. I had to unsubscribe.
@sierrabird3817
@sierrabird3817 4 жыл бұрын
Rational Media bold of you to assume I can’t simply because my comment wasn’t intended to be a counter argument. I chose to say what I wanted to say🤷‍♀️
@sierrabird3817
@sierrabird3817 4 жыл бұрын
Rational Media and point of fact my feelings/emotions weren’t hurt. I’m not “running away” What a stupid interpretation of my words. Really says more about you than it does me bud.
@beccabasson4285
@beccabasson4285 4 жыл бұрын
Rational Media I’m mad you won’t join my mob so I’m going to bully you with emotional buzzwords.... so what vegans do to other people on a regular basis?
@MrBeetlejuice16
@MrBeetlejuice16 3 жыл бұрын
@@helena_5456 First of all, racism is not just an American issue but something that has a deep history in the entire western part of the world. I'm European and racism is still evident in my country and others in Europe so that's not even an argument. Secondly, no, it doesn't make you a bad person for being a vegan activist and focus your energy on animal rights. Advocating for animal rights is important and its good that you're doing that. Nobody's reacting to Swayze not dedicating her channel to BLM. What we're reacting to is that rather than just stating that she supports BLM but wishes to separate her vegan channel and human civil rights (which is interesting that she all of a sudden wishes, considering that she's been making videos about family vloggers, sharenting and antiwaxers which have nothing to do with veganism) she is making very inconsiderate and uneducated statements about racism. Her response to Lindsay Ellis' video on Dumbo and race was also very iffy and proves that she is very uneducated on the subject, and out of all the youtubers on this platform I would have expected her to lay off topics she clearly doesn't know enough about before making 40 minute long videos claiming things and making statements.
@rodeoclown777
@rodeoclown777 4 жыл бұрын
21:55 "Science is science, it doesn't care what color your skin is". I just want to point out that science is not neutral and academic/research institutions are themselves entrenched in the same unconscious biases & uneven power structures we see in wider society. Please look into the many studies that investigate racial bias in peer review, power dynamics in participatory or community-based research arrangements, discrimination in tenure & promotion, as well as the microaggressions that BIPOC scholars endure which lead to their early exit from academia (and therefore a much whiter lens in research studies). As a university librarian (i.e. information specialist) I always encourage the college students I teach to seek out a wide variety of sources/expertise and not just academic ones. I encourage my students to ask themselves, 'whose voice is missing from this scholarly conversation?'. To me, the better approach would be to synthesize evidence-based research from academics or solutions from public policy professionals AND put them in conversation with anecdotal or the lived expertise of activists. Activist input on solutions is necessary and we cannot solely rely on a one-way dissemination of 'scientific' recommendations divorced from on-the-ground efforts & realities. And my point here is more nuanced than simply "science must fall because it's colonialism" as you put it in 22:18 (sorry, librarian here...I compulsively cite 🤓). I am not suggesting we should ignore the science and only rely on activists for solutions, but I am bothered by your call for BLM leadership to merely voice their concerns and then stand aside and wait for the field 'experts' or 'professionals' to put solutions on the table when we know institutional expertise comes with its own baggage.
@cocowmn
@cocowmn 4 жыл бұрын
👏🏽 👏🏽 👏🏽
@lolataba7042
@lolataba7042 4 жыл бұрын
100% agree. Thank you for this comment.
@idastreeto6131
@idastreeto6131 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. All this. Science is not some magical solution to bias.
@JoAnyj
@JoAnyj 4 жыл бұрын
Well said. Like, why not both? Also, maybe the "experts" don't NEED to be black, following from Swayze's arguments, but it sure does fuckin HELP to have someone with lived experiences leading the movement and interpreting the data. Data and statistics can be skewed any which way you want depending on the person collecting it and their angle.
@Kveldred
@Kveldred 4 жыл бұрын
"Anecdotal expertise" sounds good. But... what if I'm a middle-class Hispanic fellow and my anecdotal expertise says that violence against people of color isn't a problem -- as I've never seen it myself, after all...? Well, that's just me, right? Doesn't mean much by itself. So maybe we should get some other people to add their "anecdotal expertise" just in case my anecdote isn't anecdata. That would result in a more representative view of the actual situation. My two or three friends should do it... unless they're very similar to me in location, SES, etc. and haven't had representative experiences either. So to be really sure, we should get a LOT of other people to add their anecdata, and try to ensure that they're not all similar types of people. NOW "anecdotal expertise" is really useful. But it can be hard to tell if everyone's saying the same thing, or if a certain percentage of us saying one thing is significant or just chance, so we should do some "anecdata collection" and statistics to better extract the meaning behind our collective experience. Lots of lived experiences, from a diverse set of people in an attempt to be representative of reality, operationalized and analyzed to ensure we're not just experiencing pareidolia: the best kind of anecdotal expertise, surely.
@toridanielle333
@toridanielle333 4 жыл бұрын
when we say "listen to black people," we don't mean "listen to black people and parrot what they say without any actual thought or intention behind that action." that's just performative activism. what we mean is, "listen to black people because we're the most knowledgable and have the most experience on the issue of our own oppression. instead of speaking over us, listen to our stories, perspectives and lived experiences and then DO THE WORK of being actively anti-racist by self-reflecting, doing research, and speaking out about injustice."
@bregieirofernandes
@bregieirofernandes 4 жыл бұрын
This seems so obvious to me. How does she not get this. Blows my mind
@AllPeopleUnite
@AllPeopleUnite 4 жыл бұрын
@@bregieirofernandes No defence of UV itended but some people, either because of having blinders/privilege or not being in activist spaces a lot (obvioisly UV is an activist but the vegan world is sort of removed from general Left activist circles, generalising here, not saying they never overlap) you could be surprised to see the most privileged people walking into a space and being the loudest, drowning out other voices, and not allowing space for others. It's something that in-person activist circles have had to proactively work to help correct, and that is echoed online. But if you haven't seen it with your own eyes, you might think "doest this point really need to be made" (though that assumption would be based on privelege of course because it would shock very few marginalised people to hear that even well intentioned people can silence and domiante others)
@alanathebespectacled
@alanathebespectacled 4 жыл бұрын
Marcie I’m getting the vibe she doesn’t have any meaningful relationships with black ppl and so she thinks she can turn this into an issue of philosophy to pick apart when ppl are dying in the streets bc she’s so far removed from it (and I’m not saying ppl need to have black connections to support BLM, you can and SHOULD also self-educate by reading black-authored books, watching movies or literally even following black activists on instagram). Like no one’s saying you have to become a BLM channel but amplifying some black voices and saying “Black lives matter” is not hard to do, especially when she says she acknowledges the horrific murder of George Floyd. Or at least don’t make TWO longwinded videos trying to prove that the BLM movement is WrOnG and you are RiGhT - it’s okay not to know a lot right now but maybe acknowledge that and try to learn more!! Reminds me of some of privileged, irritating philosophy majors I met in university. These videos are ignorant and self-righteous and I hope her views change/she apologizes in the future, but I’m not supporting this channel any longer unless that happens.
@julianburr2750
@julianburr2750 4 жыл бұрын
Come on, that would take humility and I don’t know about anyone else but Swayze has never appeared to be the most humble person on KZfaq, she appears to be very condescending and cold. I’m surprised people are so shocked that that has finally shown through. It’s been rather apparent to me. Swayze hasn’t come off as the type of person I’d want to know in my personal life and now it’s starting to click a bit more.
@PandaHeart88
@PandaHeart88 4 жыл бұрын
I have see many people who have said that white people should just say what your told to say, don’t think about it just do it.
@saint.hudson13
@saint.hudson13 4 жыл бұрын
You do know that prisons in the US are LARGELY FOR-PROFIT, don’t you?
@michaelfavata2720
@michaelfavata2720 4 жыл бұрын
8.2% of US prisoners were housed in private prisons as of 2017. That's a lot but it's not "largely" the case for the US.
@Propa_jo
@Propa_jo 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelfavata2720 yes, but people in state prisons are also forced to work (making furniture/clothes, as firefighters, picking crops) while the state is paid or profit off of that labor.
@michaelfavata2720
@michaelfavata2720 4 жыл бұрын
@@Propa_jo I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for letting me know. That does seem to be absolutely bizarre and perverse.
@Propa_jo
@Propa_jo 4 жыл бұрын
@Rational Media lol. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, " More than 4 in 5 adult correctional facilities [state and federal] offered inmate work programs and about half of all prisoners had work assignments in 2005. I'm sure it has gone up exponentially since then.
@mayahopemilton4581
@mayahopemilton4581 4 жыл бұрын
Rational Media prisoners make around $1-$3 per hour doing this work and prisons make profit from allowing the prisoners to work. You can do more research. Fact is that it’s corrupt!
@christopherbolanos3751
@christopherbolanos3751 4 жыл бұрын
Im not well educated enough to speak on either of these issues to their full extent, but what I find interesting is this concept of a “voice for the voices-less” in veganism. Makes sense, an animal cannot communicate explicitly, with words, that they are suffering. But multiple Black people are coming together and telling us they are suffering, and some of the same people ignore it, either deeming its not as important, or the kind of “facts dont care about feelings.” People arent animals, they can communicate and if they are telling you they are suffering, and a way we can make it better, should we listen?
@sully4159
@sully4159 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing comment. Us black people are not important to UV as animals are. We have been crying 😭 out for so long but what the fuck does she care and she is making a stand
@asmrtpop2676
@asmrtpop2676 4 жыл бұрын
I agree whole heartedly with the message you’ve said-I want to add that the thing is humans ARE a species of animal so that makes it extra fucked up to me when a vegan doesn’t care about social issues that effect humanity.
@michaelfavata2720
@michaelfavata2720 4 жыл бұрын
Is the message you're hearing from Swayze that we shouldn't listen to black people's suffering? Is she saying there's too much compassion for black issues? If that's what you're walking away with, you're simply not listening.
@blackarchon8778
@blackarchon8778 3 жыл бұрын
People are animals but i agree with the rest of what you said.
@milkandspice1074
@milkandspice1074 3 жыл бұрын
@@eleanor4759 As if marxists are a bad thing.
@bregieirofernandes
@bregieirofernandes 4 жыл бұрын
Dude that animal crossing speech at the end was EXTREMELY out of touch
@Kelly-cj9df
@Kelly-cj9df 4 жыл бұрын
Big yoinks
@vegacula
@vegacula 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't finish it 😬
@alexandrawilliams2509
@alexandrawilliams2509 4 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to see a video with actual facts and research, Cheap Lazy Vegan made a great one and linked dozens of sources for people to do their own research.
@cyssoK
@cyssoK 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s a great video but UV didn’t say anything contradicting it in this video. If you think she did then you totally missed her point!
@sopa4518
@sopa4518 4 жыл бұрын
I loved cheap lazy vegan’s take on it, and her recipes, I’m so happy there’s a rational and compassionate vegan in the movement
@mlorpf
@mlorpf 4 жыл бұрын
@@cyssoK well, no one is saying she did? But that doesn't mean that her videos on this topic haven't been shite.
@emmatoulouse7048
@emmatoulouse7048 4 жыл бұрын
Yes it was so thoroughly researched unlike Freelee’s which was tone deaf and incongruously insensitive. She had really gone off the deep end with her conspiracy paranoia.
@leedevee
@leedevee 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you could’ve included some actual arguments in your comment instead of pretending to devalue an entire, pretty well structured video by pointing people to a video by some other random YT’er.
@corab4045
@corab4045 4 жыл бұрын
I want to say something about science. You say that race doesn't matter when it comes to empirical facts. But we do know for a fact that science has been used to try to legitimize racism and put it on a scientific basis. Empirical data always has to be interpreted, and especially when it comes to social science, that interpretation is influenced by who you are. This is coming from someone who studies social sciences at university, I'm not skeptical about science, quite the opposite. But I do think that it's important for experts to be diverse and to represent the people they are studying. I know that you're saying "not all leaders should have to be black" and I agree with that point. But I disagree with saying "it doesn't matter which race the leaders have". Black perspectives matter, because science isn't as neutral as scientists like to believe.
@therachness1777
@therachness1777 4 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯💯
@yaash4123
@yaash4123 4 жыл бұрын
You seem to be unaware of peer review.
@therachness1777
@therachness1777 4 жыл бұрын
@@yaash4123 When your peers share your biases, what good are reviews?
@kaigaku4ever
@kaigaku4ever 4 жыл бұрын
Race science of the late 1800s was peer reviewed. Doesn’t make it correct or any less damaging. Science as a discipline is shaped by cultural and social assumptions. I’ve studied history of medicine and science for about 2 years.
@happycrafts_2310
@happycrafts_2310 4 жыл бұрын
@@yaash4123 Of course, but even then mistakes can be made and biases can slip through, which is why we need to make sure peer reviews are always top notch and that the people doing the peer reviewing are from diverse backgrounds. It's not enough to not be racist, we need to be actively anti-racist.
@emilyr8668
@emilyr8668 4 жыл бұрын
You can't just say "I'm taking a few days to learn/grow" and then not learn or grow.... this is basically the new "thoughts and prayers" come on...
@ggggwp4199
@ggggwp4199 4 жыл бұрын
What if you're, like, wrong? come on...
@themajesticallyikkyshow2172
@themajesticallyikkyshow2172 4 жыл бұрын
gg ggwp 🤣🤣 you love to play dumb. Keep on going buddy your accomplishing na da.
@reeceb1259
@reeceb1259 4 жыл бұрын
@Emily And systemic structural institutions of racism are the new Devil
@miantgv
@miantgv 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, so learning and growing means thinking like you, huh? So, someone is ignorant when they opposes your views. Very interesting.
@ginaschlitz6337
@ginaschlitz6337 4 жыл бұрын
The issues that BLM are fighting against are not Black issues; they are American issues. Americans that do not think they are their issues because they do not affect them are problematic. Acknowledge that.
@kaitlynmaddalena6210
@kaitlynmaddalena6210 4 жыл бұрын
Gina Schlitz then why state “Black lives matter”? Why not have labeled the movement as that? If BLM had actually been named ALL LIVES MATTER, the movement would not have been as controversial....
@Alicehad3cats
@Alicehad3cats 4 жыл бұрын
Because Black people were made marginalized for centuries and made most vulnerable, so they experience oppression built into our society at the most explicit and heightened levels.
@bl0nders
@bl0nders 4 жыл бұрын
Kaitlyn Maddalena because ALL lives can’t matter until black lives matter too. Yes, there are human injustices across the globe that need to be addressed, but how can you even have that conversation when there are major issues in our own backyard..
@torvaderon
@torvaderon 4 жыл бұрын
I am european so here is my outsiders perspective. I am a big fan of selectorat theory of politics. So why do black lifes not matter? One reason is that america is running just 2 parties. From the point of view of the polition black votes are garanteed to either vote for them or not. Its an easy demographic, if they have no choice but to vote for you. Why should you spend any money/time/legislation on people that you dont need to sway anyway? That's why blacks have been living in america paying taxes without representation to an extend.
@thefelicits
@thefelicits 4 жыл бұрын
Omg she actually invoked reverse racism ahh why did I ever watch this channel?? This is Freelee level self-awareness and morality. Does anyone know of any non-awful vegan channels on YT? Mexie seems to be the only one...
@mpagey3
@mpagey3 4 жыл бұрын
Also, ethnic studies are a thing. We literally study everything you claimed was just "lived experience."
@foureyeswonder
@foureyeswonder 4 жыл бұрын
Clearly she doesn't understand and value the social sciences and their legitimacy.
@lrtb19
@lrtb19 4 жыл бұрын
foureyeswonder which is sad because didn’t she study something like political science in university
@megamorpher1
@megamorpher1 4 жыл бұрын
who is "we"?
@CartonOfLife
@CartonOfLife 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I got a whole ass degree in Black and Africana Studies which is the study of the post colonial African Diaspora. There are peer reviewed articles by loads of interdisciplinary professionals, she clearly didn’t actually take the time to look into those resources. I don’t want to assume the worst, but maybe it’s because she isn’t interested in the facts of this, because they hurt her feelings because they unearth her worldview. Honestly it’s the problem I have had talking to a lot of my white liberal friends.
@user-yt5ek4zx1i
@user-yt5ek4zx1i 3 жыл бұрын
@@anjad.3656 philosophy is nothing like social science
@sadiyasassine6113
@sadiyasassine6113 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with many of the criticisms in the comments. Here is another: You missed one crucial question, which has been posed in both videos. WHY did you make this video? WHO are you helping? Even your actual point is a bad one. I believe the thesis is "People shouldn't get bullied for not speaking out." Fine. Yes. No one should get bullied. But you spent your energy defending bystanders rather than saying "Here is what I am doing to support Black Americans." That *hurts*. Influencers (or whoever you say is getting bullied) do not need their feelings protected more than black people need their lives protected. The fact that you spent your time and energy on this feels hurtful, because it shows what you think is important.
@dramatictrauma331
@dramatictrauma331 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you! She’s just complaining about such a non-issue. Like, she wasn’t even referring to influencers in general, just vegan activists. Which is already a pretty niche group to begin with.
@elianab5549
@elianab5549 4 жыл бұрын
YES. White feelings should never be put above Black lives.
@miriamdiaz2315
@miriamdiaz2315 4 жыл бұрын
Eliana B and when has she said that....
@miriamdiaz2315
@miriamdiaz2315 4 жыл бұрын
She doesn’t need you knowing what she is doing personally, she doesn’t want to be praised for being such a good person, literally she has never done that, she is talking about an issue and saying her point of view, that’s what this channel is all about
@hitva
@hitva 4 жыл бұрын
I really like Cheap lazy vegan video! She really did a better job educating herself
@heatherbaldwin2099
@heatherbaldwin2099 4 жыл бұрын
"Anger clouds our ability to accept criticism" she says as she obstinately refuses to accept criticism.
@megamorpher1
@megamorpher1 4 жыл бұрын
difference is: she is not angry
@ggggwp4199
@ggggwp4199 4 жыл бұрын
What if your criticism is wrong and you interpret anything contrary to your criticism as "not accepting criticism". Do you agree with my criticism of your understanding of how criticism works or are you going to "refuse criticism" by disagreeing with me? Careful, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite.
@phantasmic1000
@phantasmic1000 4 жыл бұрын
@@ggggwp4199 people are dying....
@ggggwp4199
@ggggwp4199 4 жыл бұрын
​@@phantasmic1000 Yes, we must stop police brutality and implicit racism.
@mollyproctor2862
@mollyproctor2862 4 жыл бұрын
No she is not. She actually is considering the criticism but disagrees.
@pamelaadams366
@pamelaadams366 4 жыл бұрын
I am stunned that you would characterize the comments on your last video as full of “toxic personal attacks.” I get that hearing criticism sucks, but the comments were hardly personal attacks.
@meanestmachine
@meanestmachine 4 жыл бұрын
Literally, I scrolled through allllll those comments and it was the most unified, reasonable comment section I’ve ever seen.
@rabbit__
@rabbit__ 3 жыл бұрын
There were so many comments of people who were just confused by the waffling behavior. People tried to explain why certain points were wrong, this is sad.
@grantcivyt
@grantcivyt 3 жыл бұрын
It's possible you don't see all the comments.
@Toaster-v1z
@Toaster-v1z 3 жыл бұрын
"I'm so so glad to have found out she is a horrible and awful woman." They're not hard to find.
@jaymitera2134
@jaymitera2134 3 жыл бұрын
yeaaa right!!!
@laurxcv
@laurxcv 4 жыл бұрын
"tonality matters" and then that big speech at the end about animal crossing? big yikes.
@lucasgarcia8285
@lucasgarcia8285 4 жыл бұрын
Laura Stable she does AC all the time at the end of the video is it really out of place?
@lissaw4
@lissaw4 4 жыл бұрын
Right! Then again, she doesn't seem to understand that "silence is violence" is not about proclaiming your support for the BLM movement. Rather that if you never speak on racism and unjust things happening to the black community then you are complicit in all of it - not just the parts you benefit from directly.
@Rennie212
@Rennie212 4 жыл бұрын
Lucas Garcia it seems like the wrong video for it
@catc4858
@catc4858 4 жыл бұрын
@@lucasgarcia8285 if she has time to play animal crossing every day then she has time to educate herself about BLM, racism & police violence, but she chooses not to. the 10 minute animal crossing update feels like a slap in the face in light of her recent videos
@lucasgarcia8285
@lucasgarcia8285 4 жыл бұрын
Cat C it’s her choice to do what she wants 🤷🏻‍♂️ she’s obviously against police brutality and racism so idk what more you want. She can’t care about everything on earth, though it is weird to me she didn’t research more, her BLM videos aren’t as well researched as the rest of hers but she still makes good points.
@Littlenik
@Littlenik 4 жыл бұрын
idk i wasnt expecting you to be so random about this. why not fully research the topic like you do all your other content.
@kyleyakich3800
@kyleyakich3800 4 жыл бұрын
She is such a disappointment to everyone and that is why she is so random with this. She will say anything for validation from either side
@outherewildinb2874
@outherewildinb2874 4 жыл бұрын
Swayze has a history of playing devil's advocate when it comes to racism.
@sofi88p
@sofi88p 3 жыл бұрын
She hates POC.
@ikemreacts
@ikemreacts 3 жыл бұрын
Sofi Unnatural Vegan is racist. It doesn’t mean all her other videos are suddenly garbage but if you continue to subscribe, know that she is that awful thing.
@kurtfranklin2680
@kurtfranklin2680 3 жыл бұрын
How dare you have an opinion if you’re not an expert on the subject. You must have hate in your heart.🙄
@bunbacheso
@bunbacheso 4 жыл бұрын
You just threatened to stop supporting BLM b/c you disagree with people's tone. If you only care about Black lives when Black people state their message in a way that is comforting to you, you are not supporting Black lives. What if someone told you that your life only matters IF you say things in a way they agree with?
@leviathanesque
@leviathanesque 4 жыл бұрын
what's so mind blowing is how many times do you think she's been dismissed and called an "angry vegan" in her life? you think she would get how it feels to be ignored and belittled because she didn't say her piece nice enough. it's shocking how ignorant she is and how uncaring towards Black people she's revealing herself to be.
@beckbabej
@beckbabej 4 жыл бұрын
"BLM" is not the same as the sentiment black lives matter. Of course black live matter, it's kind of insulting to imply anyone thought they didn't in the first place. BLM is a marxist political hate group, that doesn't care about black people at all. If all these old white politicians who have been in office for decades care so much for black people, why did they not do anything? Now they all suddenly love BLM?!? Red flag, red flag on the field my friends.
@yarabeydoun709
@yarabeydoun709 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@ANUBISMETAL
@ANUBISMETAL 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, that's literally the exact opposite of what she said.
@Angryalpaca1503
@Angryalpaca1503 3 жыл бұрын
@@beckbabej it's obvious that she ment black lives matter
@erinphillips8092
@erinphillips8092 4 жыл бұрын
As a long time viewer (who is black) this video, and the one that this is based on just hurt my heart, to the point where I am considering not supporting you any longer, and I feel the need to argue against one of your points. You state that black people shouldn't necessarily lead this movement just because they are black and that implying so is racist. Does that mean that a women's rights movement lead by women is sexist? Because there should be men in high ranking roles giving their input too? If you give a quick glance over the Wikipedia page on woman's suffrage in the UK you will quickly see that the movement was mainly lead by women and why should that be a problem? I have no problem with white people or anyone else supporting and rising to prominent roles within the organization, but a movement about the struggles of black people being lead by black people is racist? Just like I have no problem with indigenous groups having indigenous people leading their struggles in topics such as loss inland and the scary aspect that indigenous women in Canada and the US are going missing. Is it racists for them to lead that movement as well?
@rebekahp4083
@rebekahp4083 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent point, wish more people were commenting on this element.
@boop3260
@boop3260 4 жыл бұрын
Swayze: I'm all for single issue causes Also Swayze: except those predominantly run by and that elevate the voices of members of oppressed groups, that's not inclusive enough
@TheSpicydiva
@TheSpicydiva 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Honestly, this is the point that irks me the most.
@monalux9518
@monalux9518 4 жыл бұрын
I thought she meant that telling a white person that they can't be the leader of the movement is racist, not that having a black person as the leader is racist. I may be wrong though.
@lolataba7042
@lolataba7042 4 жыл бұрын
100% agree, I hope she can reflect and learn. I would love to keep supporting her but it is really difficult at this point.
@emmar4085
@emmar4085 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, this comment is going to be very long, but if you have a minute, here's what I think you missed about your last video. I get that you meant to advocate for single issue activism in your last video, but as someone who agrees that single issue activism can be good and someone who went into your last video completely open to what you had to say, I can tell you that you didn't manage to say that well. Frankly, you hardly said it at all. Instead of speaking about useful knowledge, effectiveness of activism, and mental exhaustion, you just used whataboutism. And then you presented criticisms of guidelines put out by one (1) vegan organization about BLM, during which you made it very clear that you aren't versed this activism. Which, okay, that's fine, you can stick to single issue activism and not understand these things, except you managed to misrepresent several of those points, both their effects and their purposes, to your audience. I'm sure some people were angry because you didn't say defund the police, but not everyone was. Please understand that the criticisms of your video largely didn't spring from the fact that you created a reasonable, clear video that happened to be against the current popular online activist consensus. They sprang from the fact that you put out a video so poorly done that you sounded like you just heard about half the issues you raised in it for the first time five minutes before and were processing them on camera with no additional information, all the while failing to make your professed point. To be clear, I don't think you're racist. I do think you are entitled to a well researched opinion on black issues. I don't think you have to fall in line with any one person, regardless of their skin color. But the people who commented largely weren't being racist either. They were voicing a very real frustration that you used your platform to awkwardly prattle on about something you barely understood, which had the effect of making some of it look bad. You don't have to become an expert in a new area, you don't have to leave your vegan activism behind, you don't even have to apologise. But please, please have knowledge as 101 as what a black space is at the ready if you're going to make a video like this again.
@kath2546
@kath2546 4 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@jasminechristiano1125
@jasminechristiano1125 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for stating this. I tried to explain this in a comment on her first video but I think I came off as too emotional. I agree that we shouldn't force people to speak on an issue but her picking apart things that she didn't even bother to find the definition of was baffling. I am used to her being so thoughtful with her rebuttals but that was insensitive and hurtful.
@jay1603
@jay1603 4 жыл бұрын
wonderfully said. I hope she sees this
@efolinsky
@efolinsky 4 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️💜❤️💜
@lex4302
@lex4302 4 жыл бұрын
absolutely this
@LadyxSky
@LadyxSky 4 жыл бұрын
It really comes off like you think that there has to be direct intent for racism to exist but that's really not the case. There's a lot of ways to perpetuate racism in well meaning ways but it's still racism.
@danielssister7086
@danielssister7086 3 жыл бұрын
This is something that needs more attention. It’s very common.
@isislee919
@isislee919 4 жыл бұрын
jeez swayze, how’d you manage to make this video even worse than the original?
@yanique6125
@yanique6125 4 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing. I am shocked by her response to this to be honest.
@TUG657
@TUG657 3 жыл бұрын
She only said that vegans shouldn’t be forced to talk about this topic. Very reasonable. She didn’t say she doesn’t support BLM, she just said we shouldn’t harass or shame people who decide to stay silent. It’s of course not ideal not to say anything, but it is allowed.
@saramcq
@saramcq 4 жыл бұрын
What’s really telling is the fact that you have ads in this video and that you chose to end it by rambling about animal crossing. Edit: Something else that I dont think has been touched on is your statement about your understanding of what intersectionality means. 18:05 "not harming other social movements with your own and still being able to respect single issue actvism". Intersectionality does not support or advocate for single issue activism, but actually brings attention to the fact that some injustices are not single issue matters. Professor Kimberle Crenshaw (the woman who coined the term) has a great tedtalk on youtube if anyone is interested.
@tiffanymarie2219
@tiffanymarie2219 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@faylinameir
@faylinameir 4 жыл бұрын
Mind you I haven’t made it to the end of the video yet but how is that different than any other video where she randomly rambles at the end and is monetized?
@Useernaamee
@Useernaamee 4 жыл бұрын
@@faylinameir Most creators decided to not monetize of of BLM or donate the earnings, profiting of the BLM movement for personal gain is not the best look and ending the video with an Animal Crossing ramble makes it seem like she doesn't see the topic as that serious and diverts from the attention this topic people think deserves and rather draws away from her wrongdoing by switching the topic. I know she has done this a couple times but it did feel different this time, I have to admit.
@saramcq
@saramcq 4 жыл бұрын
@@faylinameir I'm totally fine with rambling and dont make a habit of criticizing creators but somewhere in the middle of the video she says that she recorded her audio rather than filmed it to stay on script but ended up rambling anyway so ending the video w an animal crossing ramble of all things makes it all just seem sort of disingenuous.
@willie4982
@willie4982 4 жыл бұрын
She still has to pay the bills
@sorcha8063
@sorcha8063 4 жыл бұрын
The cancer comparison would be more apt if it was the hospital system that was literally giving people cancer.
@therelics7415
@therelics7415 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who thinks in an extremely similar way to you (namely utilitarianism/consequentalism) when it comes to policy efficacy and ethics, I really wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt about your first video. I don't believe that you made either of these videos with malicious intentions, nor do I believe that your misunderstanding of some of these issues are rooted in racism. Rather I think that your argument is based on a miscalculation of the consequences of silence (in this case vegan silence) on BLM and race issues. I understand your concern about the public protests given COVID-19 as that is something I have worried about myself, but I would argue that not all forms of protest have to involve physical demonstrations. In fact, the majority of BLM activists have spread awareness during this pandemic through digital means, especially social media. I also am sympathetic to your concerns about defunding the police, but I would again argue that supporting BLM does not necessarily mean you have to support defunding the police. The main concern for BLM is spreading awareness about systemic racism within the justice system, especially in law enforcement. There are some disagreements within the movement regarding solutions, but everyone at least acknowledges that police brutality is real and something needs to be done about it. Supporting BLM is essentially just saying you acknowledge that police brutality disproportionately impacts black people and you support police reform. I really want to believe that your reasoning is based on legitimate utilitarian concern for BLM's efficacy in reducing suffering, but you really lost me when you started suggesting that BLM activists are "racist" against white people for wanting to favor black voices over white ones when it comes to issues that directly impact black people. It really ruins your credibility because it shows how ill-informed you are about the pervasive problem of white privilege and its consequences for black people in all areas of life. I agree with you that extremes on both the left and the right are often entirely counterproductive, but you yourself are unintentionally drifting into that territory by espousing such a belief. As a data analyst who has specifically worked with survey data on attitudes towards racial reconciliation, I can tell you that you would be hard-pressed to find someone who believes in "reversed racism" that doesn't lean heavily towards the far right end of the political spectrum. Obviously black people are not a monolith, but in the same way scientific consensus in medicine or climate science matters more than the opinions of random discredited outliers (ie antivax doctors and climate change denying scientists), the opinions of the overwhelming majority of black people are the most relevant when it comes to reducing black suffering. It's not racist to suggest that we listen to them over individual white voices on certain issues when their opinions conflict, even when those white voices are considered experts. Believe it or not, implicit racial bias can distort even experts' assessment of reality and lead to scientific error. Look no further than the fields of psychology and sociology for evidence of how racism impairs the judgment of academics. The idea that there was a connection between race and intelligence was at one point the mainstream view in the scientific community and it wasn't until African-Americans were included in academic circles that this view was discredited (see "Contributions of African Americans to the Field of Psychology,"by Sheila R. Black, Susie A. Spence and Safiya R. Omari). In regards to your argument that vegans should not feel any more compelled to speak up on racism than they would for any other social justice issue, I would argue that you are using the same logic as anti-vegans who say that "no diet is truly cruelty free so why try?". I know you addressed this in this video, but it doesn't seem like you are really acknowledging the relevance of BLM specifically for vegans (a community that in western countries has largely failed to appeal to black people). This cultural moment has presented the vegan movement with a perfect opportunity to draw in more people of color by showing our solidarity with the black lives matter movement. As a thoughtful consequentialist, such a powerful opportunity to broaden the appeal of veganism should excite you as it would inevitably lead to a reduction in animal suffering. Also, there is a significant practical difference between calling out racial justice right now and calling out other forms of injustice. The attention that has recently been given to police brutality and racism in the media, in politics, and elsewhere has been unprecedented. Even many conservatives who have consistently denied the problem of police brutality in the past have expressed support for police reform and BLM in general. Vegans (at least in the US) would literally have to go out of their way to be silent on racism right now, so comparing BLM to Muslim oppression in China, for example, is not a fair comparison. You're attacking a strawman by claiming that people who say "silence is violence" are telling you that you have to speak up on every issue. No one is asking you to do that. We all know that it's impossible for us to be informed about every single atrocity. The point is that right now BLM is so relevant that it's literally harder to ignore it than it is to speak up about it. Silence is violence in that racial injustice is something that is enabled through passivity (particularly white passivity). I truly believe that you mean well and want to advocate for only the most effective forms of activism. I know that if you saw concrete data showing that the pros of vegans supporting BLM far outweigh the cons, you would support it in a heart beat. I would encourage you to look more critically at the data and try to open your mind to the possibility that you may be missing something here.
@asapjustjuice
@asapjustjuice 4 жыл бұрын
The Relics so so well said❣️
@zxyatiywariii8
@zxyatiywariii8 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to add from my own experience re Covid19 -- here in Minneapolis, I spent three days with a (racially mixed) group of friends peacefully protesting. I can't speak for any of the violence, which unfortunately certainly did happen, but our group was 100% non-violent. And re the virus -- Most of us have elderly family, so we took care not to become carriers in several ways: * We wore good masks * We used hand sanitizer before eating anything *We drove there with all the car windows open so there's plenty of air circulation *Those of us with vulnerable family or friends avoided close contact with them for the next 14 days It's been over three weeks now, and none of us have new Covid19 cases amongst our family/friends. So I just wanted to say it's definitely possible to safely protest. Much love and stay safe y'all 🙋🏾‍♀️😘
@bextree
@bextree 4 жыл бұрын
Great response
@ItsAsparageese
@ItsAsparageese 4 жыл бұрын
I'm on board with a lot of this comment, however -- hi, it's me, your NON right winger who thinks racism is racism period no matter who it's geared towards. It's really infuriating and destructive to perpetuate "people who feel XYZ way about specific philosophies are always/nearly always aligned with ABC political grouping". That's a straight up falsehood and that construct quashes discourse and perpetuates divides by one-dimensionalizing people into false binaries. People CAN disagree with the details and methods and applied beliefs of a movement that's largely left-wing and still NOT conveniently be in the categorically-dismissable Big Bad Other Group (and even if someone is right-wing leaning and has criticisms of the "cAn'T bE rAcIsT aGaInSt wHiTeS" idiocy, their political leanings DON'T ACTUALLY INVALIDATE their criticisms). Really shitty dialectic and toxic circular stereotyping to have dropped in an otherwise quite objective comment. Rhetoric like that is why we can't have nice discussions across the divides between variously-bellied Sneetches. When you discuss a topic in terms of "I assume most people who think X thing are in Y ignorable invalid categories", that just demonstrates several levels of fucked up assumptions and insular thinking.
@emmar4085
@emmar4085 4 жыл бұрын
Excellently put, I hope she reads this.
@charliechambliss5920
@charliechambliss5920 4 жыл бұрын
I just want to pop in and say, defunding the police is not just ‘defunding the police’. It’s about having other professionals answer to calls that do not require force or weapons instead of dispatching the police that can turn deadly. Its about giving more money and help and effort into unfortunate communities that may resort to gang violence and having to steal to survive. It’s about giving more money to education and the actual training in police and making more task forces that are solely trained in deescalation and social matters than the police forces we have now. We spend more on outfits for the police in riot gear and weapons than we do on the education system, and perhaps even the schooling that police get themselves. Defunding the police is about putting more effort into social and educational systems and reducing the ‘force’ of the police.
@shoopshoop7650
@shoopshoop7650 4 жыл бұрын
"Defund police" then saying giving more to police training? Im sorry, when you say defund police i thought you meant defund police. If that is YOUR message (because i know alot of people supporting the movement legit want police gone) then rephrase your message you are brodcasting to make it more clear and not get it mixed with people that actually want to defund the police.
@shoopshoop7650
@shoopshoop7650 4 жыл бұрын
Where did you get we spend more on outfits for police and riot gear then the education system? Are you talking about the US? Or another country? Source? Legit source please.
@charliechambliss5920
@charliechambliss5920 4 жыл бұрын
shoop shoop In the US, our teachers have to buy many of their own materials to provide for their students education. Teachers must spend at least four years to get the same salary that policemen get for going to training a MAX of 6 months. When you give more money to people who train for 6 months than for a teacher that studied for 4 years there’s a problem. Teachers spend money out of their own pockets to go above and beyond for students, but the police-force is issued riot gear, cars, and guns. In my opinion, this system is flawed if you just look at the salaries and comparing jobs. Teachers have the unique responsibility to educate children. If the educators are getting paid less then the enforcers, the loop will always be closed and unsolvable. Why would you want to get paid the same for 4 years of school if you could go to school for 6 months max? We need more educators than enforcers so that the US can get out of high incarceration rates and back on track to catch up with other ‘first world’ countries.
@shoopshoop7650
@shoopshoop7650 4 жыл бұрын
@@charliechambliss5920 you talked about us spending more on outfits and weapons for police than the education system. Their salary included in that may cost more than the education system, but that was not what you originally said.
@pollysshore2539
@pollysshore2539 Жыл бұрын
I do realize this is 2 years old. That said… I have been a 911 dispatcher for 2 decades and there are lot of initiatives that I support that fall under “defunding the police”. An excess has been heaped on emergency services for decades. Cut out a bulk of mental health funding? Put the fall out on emergency services. Cut the funding to help homeless people? Put the excess on emergency services. I could do this all day with numerous topics. I support more resources for various interventions but I do not think every intervention is well thought out. Many agencies outside of law enforcement stopped responding to calls years ago because their employees were getting murdered. They starting asking for police escorts and then started advocating for the police to handle everything. This is a problem that cannot be fixed easily. Personal note that may seem irrelevant but stay with me for a moment: I’ve spent most of my life studying the Satanic Panic and the psychotherapeutic pseudoscience that played a large role in starting and driving the 2 decade modern witch hunt. Repressed/recovered memory pseudoscience is incredibly dangerous bunk. It was supported by many on the left during the Satanic Panic and this is often missing from the conversation even though it was well documented at the time. Radical feminists heavily promoted RM pseudoscience and Satanic Ritual Abuse conspiracies in multiple countries. RM bunk was promoted on Uni campuses in the late 1980s and 1990s. Over a decade ago it made a comeback on multiple campuses. It was rebranded, as usual. Almost every group that is allegedly supporting efforts to defund the police as a way to reduce injustice is promoting this pseudoscience. A pseudoscience that drastically increases injustice while eroding - removing collective rights. That’s not even getting into the large amount of abuse that goes hand in hand with therapies designed to recover memories. It’s been one of the most grotesque things seen since lobotomies and electric shock, and the majority of patients are women and children. This is a major problem. Many groups are working against their own goals. Many left wing groups have been supporting and funding police being retrained in dangerous pseudoscience. They have supported police being retrained to violate more of your rights. Not all initiatives all bad, or entirely bad. Most of the riot gear and armored vehicles police obtain comes from military programs. It’s hand me downs of equipment that is rotting/not being used. This same initiative also provides generators and several other pieces of equipment that aid low income departments and help in search and rescue efforts, natural disasters, etc. Advocating to do away with the entire program, as many do, isn’t wise. One more note on the Satanic Panic, particularly the daycare hysteria that started 10 years into it… This was due to a movement that wanted to replace police investigations into abuse with investigations headed by social workers, and therapists. It didn’t go well. You can’t blindly leap into everything. There needs to be a lot of research on pros/cons and potential harms. Some are doing this with a few programs but there is an excess of s**t, too.
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
24:18 “i’m gonna keep not being racist and not seeing color”... to fight a system that sees race, you have to see it too and acknowledge it. If a Black person and a white person are saying the same thing about the issues at hand rn, amplify the black one?? Literally we’re just asking you to let Black people speak about their struggle and amplify their voices.
@mannypedib
@mannypedib 4 жыл бұрын
If you don't see color you can't see racism. I never thought she was one of those people.
@agatajabonska8560
@agatajabonska8560 4 жыл бұрын
@@mannypedib if you don't see colour and you only look on the inside of people, you are a hope for this world. Not seeing colour is what we all should do to end racism.
@Rennie212
@Rennie212 4 жыл бұрын
@@agatajabonska8560 I don't want people to not see colour. Being black is important to me and its not something I want people to ignore, I just don't want to be discriminated because of it. Not to mention that claiming not to see colour is just ignoring ones implicit biases that need to be addressed and dismantled.
@user-gu5xx5le2j
@user-gu5xx5le2j 4 жыл бұрын
🙌🏽✨
@Geoffrey454
@Geoffrey454 4 жыл бұрын
@@agatajabonska8560 saying that implies there's something wrong with not having the "right skin colour" and therefore we have to look past it in order to see the beauty on the inside. It's actually kind of racist, though I know you didn't mean it to be. Anthropologically speaking, race isn't real, but it's so important to acknowledge and talk about nonetheless, otherwise we can make no progress.
@eek42
@eek42 4 жыл бұрын
It's not racist to believe historically and systemically oppressed voices should be lifted up and be the leaders of the movement. That is how we combat pervasive and systematic bias and overcome it.
@minime7375
@minime7375 4 жыл бұрын
How do you lift up opressed voices (in this case black people) if you’re not allowed to speak up on the matter if you’re not black? Bit of a contradiction there. The slavery ended thanks to the initiative of white people in positions of power (not only in the US), why ask for allyship but demand complete obedience from everyone non-black? If a white person wants to offer support do you refuse it becase it’s not the type of support you want? It makes no sense.
@victoriaandrews4547
@victoriaandrews4547 4 жыл бұрын
@@minime7375 nobody said they couldn't speak on it. They said oppressed voices should be the LEADERS of the movement.
@riotgrrrl8807
@riotgrrrl8807 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. It would only be wrong if we already were at the same level, which we aren't. Her point reminded me of when anti-feminists say "Why is your equality movement called FEMinism?". Because we are not at an equal level yet and need to elevate the disadvantaged group, even though of course some aspects of the oppression harm the ones who mostly benefit from it too sometimes.
@Thisreadingcorner
@Thisreadingcorner 4 жыл бұрын
MiniMe lmao slavery ended because of white initiative? Not black people rising up in revolution and damaging enough property, causing enough ruckus that white people HAD to stop it? Try again.
@minime7375
@minime7375 4 жыл бұрын
Alexandra Y. I recommend you study your country’s history in more depth than they teach you in schools. That goes for everyone posting uninformed replies. Also if i hear “opression” one more time i’m going to vomit. You don’t know what opression is, the poorest of the poor in the US is richer and more free than millions of people around the world. Who opresses you, did you have your parents arrested in the middle of the night because of a joke mocking the regime? Were you denied college education based on your family? Did you ever have to wait in a line for hours just to buy bread or milk? Were you forced to work in a factory or in the fields at the age of 10? If not, you’re not opressed. All the negative things that i listed happen in countries where the people in power actually opress the population.
@tyghe_bright
@tyghe_bright 4 жыл бұрын
You know what would have been a great thing to do? Discuss and promote black vegans. Talk about vegan-adjacent political issues that affect black people like food deserts/food access, food justice, food autonomy. But instead, you've doubled down on a bad take. Did you not discuss this with your black friends? Do you not actually know any black people?
@alexandrawilliams2509
@alexandrawilliams2509 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, if she didn't feel compelled to speak specifically about BLM, she could have 1. promoted black vegan companies and influencers 2. talked about how veganism has a race issue 3. said absolutely nothing at all, which would not have been a good look, but infinitely better than this.
@lydiacopes5687
@lydiacopes5687 4 жыл бұрын
Josh Segal people were also specifically attacking and mocking Chinese food, saying they eat bats and Chinese restaurants are disease ridden... that’s just not true, it’s based on vile racial stereotypes. And plenty Chinese food is plant based- she could talk about white vegans embracing tofu but not supporting the cultures it comes from. There’s so many racial issues that intersect with food and can also relate to veganism she could have talked about instead of this garbage.
@louisac303
@louisac303 4 жыл бұрын
pretty sure she’s said in the past she lives in Oregon, a state that’s nearly all white because of ~various historical property law and triple lettered hate group related reasons~ so yeah, she probably doesn’t know many people of colour
@outherewildinb2874
@outherewildinb2874 4 жыл бұрын
@Danny Wade You're right! That's why so many take issue with her supposed 'single issue activism' because there's strength in numbers! The issues we talk about are not self-inflicted, they require those outside of the communities in question to stand in solidarity. It's not an either/or, and considering that many advocacy groups are taking the intersectional approach, ask yourself why Swayze preoccupied herself with this discussion instead? Choices were made.
@antoinettekminor
@antoinettekminor 3 жыл бұрын
This comment wins
@margaret5166
@margaret5166 4 жыл бұрын
“If you don’t want carefully researched science and philosophy videos I can understand if this channel isn’t for you” ....dude you have to understand how defensive this sounds when SO many of the commentators seem to be longtime subscribers and people who avidly watch and enjoy your videos. It seems like the most common response is that it is really disappointing and an aberration for you to do so little research and reflection before posting about a topic. Seriously, what is more likely: that hundreds or thousands of people who ordinarily enjoy your content actually DO hate reason and logic and their reaction to these two videos proves it-or that that you have a blind spot on this topic and missed the mark here?
@gazneregina5373
@gazneregina5373 4 жыл бұрын
I think she was addressing people who don’t normally watch her videos and cake because they were referred by a friend. I would assume that many people aren’t interested in philosophy videos or just don’t get philosophy (which is fine, it’s not taught in school to virtually anyone), so it makes sense to me that she included that disclaimer. However, I can’t say for sure because I don’t know her motives. If I were to give her advice for making this message less unpalatable, I would ask her to be very conscious of her tone (she tends to be smug) and for gods sake do not discuss animal crossing at the end!!
@tiffanymarie2219
@tiffanymarie2219 4 жыл бұрын
Why does this feel more like a 'clapback' than her taking the criticism to heart and growing from it?
@imadetheurllonger
@imadetheurllonger 4 жыл бұрын
I guess we had too much hope
@kateheartsowls
@kateheartsowls 4 жыл бұрын
Because that’s exactly what it is :/ the white fragility really jumped out
@liepa9287
@liepa9287 4 жыл бұрын
@@genericswiftie. we live in and we learn, it's just a shame that someone with a platform like hers lets it get the best of her
@WhiteCollarCrimeDNB
@WhiteCollarCrimeDNB 4 жыл бұрын
Because it is just a clapback. "Not an apology." Lol okay clown.
@j.k.3056
@j.k.3056 4 жыл бұрын
It's like she doubled down rather than doing the research and the readings that everyone recommended. It's so disheartening. I don't think she's ever even read a single book on systemic racism.
@davidtolbert8446
@davidtolbert8446 4 жыл бұрын
20:46 "The idea that anybody benefits from police violence or urban poverty or marginalized youth being poisoned with lead or food deserts or any of that or any number of other issues disproportionately affecting the black community is just incredibly ignorant." While virtually everyone would benefit overall if we dismantled all systems of oppression, privileged groups do receive tangible benefits from them. For example, white people benefit from being preferred over other minorities, especially black people, when it comes to pretty much everything including employment, education, health care, etc. Not to mention that there are obviously people who benefit from some of the things you pointed out, such as private prisons that benefit from aggressive police that are more likely to start fights and arrest people and send them to jail than to deescalate conflicts? What about the politicians who go out of their way to marginalize and disenfranchise black people because they know it will suppress turnout?
@emmar4085
@emmar4085 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't even catch that line. I already knew she didn't do any research for this video, but wow. And UV's telling us to trust the research. We do! We know about the private prison system. We know how poisonous drinking water ends up in faucets. We know how lead paint stays on the walls. We know about our broken school system. Money! For private prisons, police making overtime in arrests, politicians who get donations, contractors who donate to politicians to get contracts worth many times more than their donation, landlords, and people who own property in good school districts and want to keep their property valuable. What research are you reading that missed this? People followed the bread crumbs and found the money making rackets. There's nothing "incrediblly ignorant" about asserting these facts!
@saraelkassabany3735
@saraelkassabany3735 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment! Her statement at 20:46 really struck me too for this exact same reason. I wish she would do the work and research about this topic.
@scathach2815
@scathach2815 4 жыл бұрын
Dylan Roof wasn't shot dead for killing 9 black people at a church a year ago. And the cops even took him to Burger King!
@lydiacopes5687
@lydiacopes5687 4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch the whole video do I didn’t hear this statement which is ridiculous on its face. If you can drive black peoples to live in polluted areas, then white people can live in the less polluted areas! They also don’t have to worry about paying to clean them up or forcing businesses to pollute less, because people don’t pay attention to black communities being poisoned. This is extremely easy to see given Flint MI still doesn’t have clean water so many years later, and who is paying attention to this issue? Black people are, but not enough white people to actually fix it, which is disgusting in the extreme.
@poorsarah
@poorsarah 4 жыл бұрын
When she said that my jaw dropped. So painfully ignorant.
@Thisreadingcorner
@Thisreadingcorner 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so frustrated but there are so many great comments here which is the only saving grace of this sad attempt at the upper hand. Honestly so aghast at your disregard for the lived experience of black people and the very real expertise of black activists, scholars, and organizers. You're honestly blowing my mind by claiming that black people can't have space to discuss black issues by themselves without white people injecting themselves. One of the most glaring missed marks here is your claim that science is color blind - I mean the examples are right in front of your face and you would rather call black people "crazy conspiracy theorists". Addiction isn't even a good comparison, you watched other people experience it, black people live their own interactions with anti-black racism, sexism, transphobia, etc. Angela Davis has been advocating for abolishing the police and prison industrial complex for decades, maybe do some reading before you tell black people that what they need is actually MORE officers on the ground with more money. De-escalation training doesn’t work. Policing in this country isn’t broken, it’s doing exactly what it was meant to, adapted from slave patrols and weaponized against people of color and poor people to fund a prison industrial complex. If you don’t want to try to understand that, the least you could do is not talk down to black people like some kind of white savior ugh. This is perhaps the most disappointing take I've seen on this. wow.
@Nicotine027
@Nicotine027 4 жыл бұрын
100% Agreed. This. Her comparison to addiction was inappropriate. As black people, we live these interactions everyday. It's not like a substance that we voluntarily began to abuse that went out of control. I also found her comparison as a weak way to fish for sympathy.
@elianahadassah1197
@elianahadassah1197 4 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@elianahadassah1197
@elianahadassah1197 4 жыл бұрын
Juneteenth wasn’t taught in school, is Juneteenth a conspiracy theory? our own history was never taught to us, some of us have been taught lies thanks to the involvement of other people that never experience it.
@gabriellapotter4746
@gabriellapotter4746 4 жыл бұрын
This!!!! Thank you 💗💗
@redapples5403
@redapples5403 4 жыл бұрын
I came back to see if she had responded to her previous video. Clearly she doesn't get it, so disappointing.
@nadines.1107
@nadines.1107 4 жыл бұрын
Do you realize how often you chuckle about the arguments of people who are not of your opinion? Is everything that doesnt line up with your views or what you think is the only possible logical way of thinking ridiculous?
@smellsabelle
@smellsabelle 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this was very much bothering me as well. Incredibly condescending.
@marsramon
@marsramon 4 жыл бұрын
you could have used this large platform you have to uplift Black vegan activists/youtubers, share resources for protesters, showcase Black business, or literally anything else. sure, activists may have one thing they focus the most on, but why would American activists NOT want to speak out on the MOST PRESSING and widespread issue getting the most attention in the US right now??
@marsramon
@marsramon 4 жыл бұрын
follow Sweet Potato Soul, The Brown Vegan, Rachel Ama
@angelalee7012
@angelalee7012 4 жыл бұрын
Well, let's just cancel her then. That's what we do with people who don't conform or act in the way we want them to.
@mzmoon100
@mzmoon100 4 жыл бұрын
Totally! Some creators I follow just took a few days off and promoted a bunch of Black creators and helped donate and petitions. You don't have to make a speech to use your platform; you can just direct your audience.
@mannypedib
@mannypedib 4 жыл бұрын
@@marsramon thank u!
@dramatictrauma331
@dramatictrauma331 4 жыл бұрын
Angela Lee No ones “canceling” her. People publicly disagreeing with her or un-subbing doesn’t remove her platform. That’s how free speech works. You can say what you want, but people are allowed to respond to you.
@erikae6183
@erikae6183 4 жыл бұрын
Theres a spectrum between silence and mindless parroting/ all consuming activism though right? It takes one minute to say "hey i am not the best educated to be a resource on the matter, but i want to be clear that racism has no place on my channel and racist comments will be deleted" (or whatever). Like idk, how clothing stores might put an LGBT pride flag in their window. It's not relevant to their content, its not saying "we are an lgbt resource", but it signifies "we want to stand with you and try to make you safe here"
@riley3984
@riley3984 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah! Drop a couple of donation links to bail funds or other similar charities alongside the typical animal charity links with a quick post in the community tab. You don't need to change your channel content to make that happen!
@Moo-fb2kb
@Moo-fb2kb 4 жыл бұрын
lmao stores that put rainbow flags up aren't doing it to sHoW sUpPoRt they want your money.
@stadzh
@stadzh 4 жыл бұрын
but she clearly has publically supported blm (on twitter). people still somehow miss her point - she's not saying she herself is against ever posting anything blm, she was just talking about how it's illogical to expect and demand an entire catagory of activists for another cause to extend their activism to it. she herself has in fact tweeted and retweeted about it, so how are people still attacking her personally for not supporting blm? i dont understand
@rebekahp4083
@rebekahp4083 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@sandwichblt9111
@sandwichblt9111 4 жыл бұрын
But why do you think they do this? I’m gay and even I recognize it is for their financial gains.
@BlackPhoenix00280
@BlackPhoenix00280 4 жыл бұрын
The Animal Crossing tangent in this video was extremely tone deaf and inappropriate
@tempestlefavre1275
@tempestlefavre1275 4 жыл бұрын
I am rather certain that Swayze did that purposefully.
@brunettezprettyr4296
@brunettezprettyr4296 4 жыл бұрын
Ya'll are exhausting
@elfee7981
@elfee7981 4 жыл бұрын
It's not helpful to call black people racist when they just want someone who has experienced what they experienced to be the leader of their group. Imagine a self-help group for women who experienced rape and sexual assault and they didn't want a man who may has studied gender roles but has never made any sexist experiences himself to lead their meetings and speak to the public on their behalf. Would you call these women sexist? It's not discrimination if you think that someone who has personally experienced injustice is more fitted to lead a justice movement.
@ig7002
@ig7002 4 жыл бұрын
A self-help group is not comparable to a social movement. You just proposed a fallacy known as false equivocation. That group would be to improve the emotional status of the participants on a micro level. The changes we need right now are on a government level. The intention of the blm movement is to make changes in society itself. We need experts to verify that these are the changes we need. Now, everyone can agree that experts are needed. If you choose less qualified experts only because they are black, then yes. That is racist.
@elfee7981
@elfee7981 4 жыл бұрын
​@@ig7002 I get what you're trying to say, maybe I should've rather compared it to the "Me too" movement. My core statement was that someone who has experienced a specific kind of injustice like racism has more credibility and is more suitable to lead an injustice movement. For example someone who has experienced sexual assault is more suited to lead "Me too" and someone who has experienced racism first hand is better fit to lead "Black lives matter". Do you agree or disagree with that?
@blabit4983
@blabit4983 4 жыл бұрын
Seems to me you misinterpreted the "black space" argument. No one was trying to take away your right to free speech, they were simply saying that your video takes the focus off of the issues that matter and puts it on fringe insignificant issues instead, and you should consider that when making the video. "You shouldn't have made that video, it caused harm" is not the same as "you should have no right to free speech."
@BigBeatlesFan121
@BigBeatlesFan121 4 жыл бұрын
I just want the people in the comments to understand that there is a difference between the performative activism we can see on social media that supposedly signal what people care about and not saying anything on your platform but doing the work in your personal life by attending protests, donating to non-profits, volunteering, and calling out racism you see in your daily lives. Not everything you do for the cause has to be in social media and just bc it is doesn’t mean you care; and just bc it isn’t, it doesn’t mean you don’t.
@Alyssa-vk3lb
@Alyssa-vk3lb 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! There’s also a difference between saying “hey, I know I have a platform and you’re probably wondering how I feel. I support BLM but I’m contributing offline” And making 2 videos about why she thinks it’s okay to be quiet when she has a large platform where she almost exclusively shares her opinion on topics.
@BigBeatlesFan121
@BigBeatlesFan121 4 жыл бұрын
Alyssa Kidwell i Will say she often doesn’t talk a lot about social justice issues going on around the world and more often than not stays in her vegan lane (which is fine). But I will say exerting this much energy for your view point on this (which ngl i could have made so much better if she told me to write the script lol) does seem counterproductive
@yeoman2k1
@yeoman2k1 4 жыл бұрын
But she's now done two videos on the topic that would have been time better spent educating her followers on systemic racism and laws. Not debating whether or not she should be obliged to support an activist group just because she's a vegan.
@Alyssa-vk3lb
@Alyssa-vk3lb 4 жыл бұрын
BigBeatlesFan121 I get you 👍
@adelazillner7713
@adelazillner7713 4 жыл бұрын
Yep! This is a great comment especially for our time. Many white people have started posting about BLM recently, and unfortunately, much of their activism on social media does not reflect outside of there. As a white ally, I make sure to expand my activism outside of social media, for instance, by donating and volunteering, as well as having important conversations with friends and family about racism. This is a great point to see anywhere, especially at this time when many who talk the talk of activism do not walk the walk.
@xxxWolFangxxx
@xxxWolFangxxx 4 жыл бұрын
"A random book by another extremist" I've actually read the book in question and it's a collection of essays, poems, and stories by vegan academics and activists of color. You would know that if you actually looked it up before offering your hot take. For those who actually care I recommend it, it's very good, and honestly Swayze seems to desperately need the information in it
@xxxWolFangxxx
@xxxWolFangxxx 4 жыл бұрын
@@vretnamkosan2202 yep, that's the one! It's very short and very good!
@thistley_42
@thistley_42 4 жыл бұрын
Vrettakos An Yes, I’ve just downloaded it and so far its a really thought provoking read. It’s such a shame Swayze didn’t actually read and engage with it rather than dismissing it such an offensive way as I think it presents viewpoints she really needs to properly engage with rather than just straw man. Hugely disappointing as these videos have been the comments section has actually signposted me to a lot of great resources, which is a silver lining of sorts.
@dianasegura1
@dianasegura1 4 жыл бұрын
Thistley _42 Yes, completely agree. It’s especially disappointing because she does bother to read actual extremist quack books (e.g. christina’s raw vegan book) before making her video but just completely disregards this one? I don’t know if it’s deflection or if she’s being defensive but I never would have expected it from her. I’m thoroughly disappointed and sad that I have to unsubscribe since she was one of my favorite channels.
@kristentocherspoon6034
@kristentocherspoon6034 4 жыл бұрын
Your first video on BLM made me cringe, but I figured you'd get plenty of replies from people who are smarter and more educated on these issues than I am, so I kept my mouth shut. When I saw you'd made a follow-up, I honestly hoped, despite the title, that you had listened to some of those people and improved your ability to speak to these issues. I guess not. First of all, you may have been receiving requests to discuss Black Lives Matter, I don't know, but I sincerely doubt that anyone asked you to make a 30-minute long video explaining all the complexities of the issue. You could have simply made a community tab post like many other KZfaqrs have, expressing support and linking to black creators doing similar work or other work you appreciate. If you're not ready to speak to the issue for 30 minutes without putting your foot in your mouth multiple times, then it would be better to be a supporting voice and let others lead the conversation. Second, you said "I think having safe spaces dedicated to puppies and kittens... is a good and necessary thing for everyone's mental health." I agree with that, but your channel ain't it. THEN you go on to say that black people having a forum to discuss racial issues without white people cutting in to invalidate them is "way worse" than having dedicated locations for black people... which is a really troubling statement on multiple levels. "Safe space where I can enjoy pictures of puppies and kittens and not think about terrible things happening in the world, yay. Safe space for other people who are not like me to discuss issues that pertain to them without constantly having to defend their own perspectives... not OK." Really? Do you believe that, say, women should have forums where we can discuss sexual assault and harassment without men constantly chiming in to say, "Well *I* wouldn't do that," or "But what were you wearing?" If you're OK with spaces like that, you should be OK with similar spaces for black people to discuss their experiences. I am not hearing ANYONE say that white people are not entitled to opinions on matters of racial justice. I don't see that in the comments you showed in this video. This is a straw man argument, and I'm disappointed to hear you making it. What people are saying is that not every moment or every context is appropriate for us to express those opinions. We've done a HELL of a lot of talking over the last... forever, we could stand to shut up and do some listening. Third, you argue that there should be no issue with a white person leading a movement for black advancement because they could be sincere. That's not the argument. The issue is one of understanding and commitment. You amply demonstrate in the last couple of videos that you don't understand terribly well what it is like to be black in America. I don't either, which is why I probably would not choose to make two 30-minute long videos explaining to other people how they are doing their activism wrong. And black liberation is just not personal for white people the same way it is for black people. That level of commitment matters. I've watched liberal, progressive white people do a great job hiring POC, only for them to be the first ones laid off in hard times. The commitment just doesn't go as deep, and we need to admit our human failings and stand aside. I'm not going to try to explain intersectionality to you because I'm FAR from an expert in such things, but... I'm pretty sure you are misunderstanding it. Getting tired, but point 5: YOU BENEFIT FROM RACIAL INJUSTICE. So do I. You may not support it, you may not want it, but you benefit from it. Recognizing this, and recognizing the effect it has had in our lives and on our thinking, is fundamental to understanding our own position in the world, and from there what we can DO about injustice. Sixth, I can't believe I'm having to say this, yes it IS a problem if black voices are regularly drowned out by white ones. My goodness. Was it fine for men to shut women up because for hundreds of years, men were the more educated and knowledgeable and women were kept ignorant? Of course not, our perspectives were valid, and listening to them led to progress for everyone, and better lives for women which is a good in and of itself. Why the hell are black people and other marginalized groups not due the same respect and recognition? And to say that people with PhDs have every right to speak over less educated people smacks of elitism. I've watched your videos criticizing elitist vegans, you should know better. Seventh, despite other comments you have evidently read trying to direct you to the right place to learn what "defund the police" means, you clearly have not followed their guidance. At the same time, you assert that many of the commenters have not watched your video. Pot, meet kettle. I do not understand why you spent so much of your time on this if you want to be a single-issue activist. You started your last video criticizing another person for doing exactly what you did, and asking why they couldn't post a simple, "Black lives matter" and be done with it. I would ask the same question of you. Honestly, I'm profoundly disappointed. You were helping me transition out of eating animals with your non-judgemental approach to omnivores. Sounds like I need to find an alternative source of information and inspiration.
@Geoffrey454
@Geoffrey454 4 жыл бұрын
Using words like "extremist" and "conspiratory world view" bothered me, too. Like a lot of people reject vegan claims of how poorly animals are treated in factory farms because they sound like conspiracy theories and the vegans sound like extremists. I'm not saying "you're either with us or against us", but rejecting everything as a big conspiracy theory just so you don't have to do any actual research smacks of personal feelings outweighing fact to me. I almost think Swayze DELIBERATELY misunderstood some of those comments because occasionally it sounded like she was threatening to pull support for BLM because of the "extremist" views of some. I don't really know what that means, but it's pretty shitty to do that rather than checking out the claims that are actually being made.
@user-uu1sg8ht1x
@user-uu1sg8ht1x 4 жыл бұрын
Very well put
@laurenpresley8480
@laurenpresley8480 4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s a lesson in condescension we call all use this as a opportunity to further develop discussions.
@karlsvensk393
@karlsvensk393 4 жыл бұрын
Cheap Lazy Vegan and Sweet Potato Soul are good.
@redheadedstepchild9814
@redheadedstepchild9814 4 жыл бұрын
Rational Media weak
@skydawson3147
@skydawson3147 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t really sound like you looked into what “defund the police” means
@slider292
@slider292 4 жыл бұрын
If "defund the police" doesn't mean defund the police, maybe clowns like you should find another phrase?
@louie.lenard5795
@louie.lenard5795 4 жыл бұрын
slider292 seems like you haven’t done any research either. It’s doesn’t just mean defund the police and that’s it. It implies redirecting funding to other resources like strengthening communities, investing in crisis intervention and education. It’s about PREVENTING crime rather than just punishing it
@MsRose00
@MsRose00 4 жыл бұрын
slider292 He did not come up with the phrase.
@catbeara
@catbeara 4 жыл бұрын
"I don't think defund the police means what you think it means" did pop into my head while watching this video 😪
@skydawson3147
@skydawson3147 4 жыл бұрын
slider292 I don’t see an issue with the phrase. Defunding the police is a part of the idea, just not complete defunding. Just means you put less into the police budget and reallocate that money into the community or to professional first responders for certain situations. Pretty cool idea to me.
@obienator
@obienator 4 жыл бұрын
Did, did she seriously go an Animal Crossing update to end the video?? The lack of reading the room, and flippant attitude....unsubbed.
@TicklyRoach
@TicklyRoach 4 жыл бұрын
wow I didn't watch that far. Jesus
@EbrithilEdward
@EbrithilEdward 4 жыл бұрын
After a whole episode of ridiculous vitriolic comments by wildly unhinged people bent on misunderstanding and misconstruing each and every utterance she makes, I can honestly say I found the light ending about her world on Animal Crossing an absolute delight.
@esotericone9101
@esotericone9101 4 жыл бұрын
@@EbrithilEdward Of course you did.
@brunettezprettyr4296
@brunettezprettyr4296 4 жыл бұрын
@@EbrithilEdward wait wait, what do you mean!!!?? You're supposed to be ANGRY!! AND FURIOUS! How dare you be content!!
@outherewildinb2874
@outherewildinb2874 4 жыл бұрын
@@brunettezprettyr4296 Cold rationality is a myth. Being removed from empathy is not a good thing. It tells us where she stands and we have that right. Your reaction tells us much too:)
@antoniotaylor2808
@antoniotaylor2808 4 жыл бұрын
Y’all she compared BLM to Ben Shapiro and the ALT right, and about her precious free speech is under attack...”extremist”? I-....there’s so much ignoring this video...
@mannypedib
@mannypedib 4 жыл бұрын
That's when I stopped watching
@antoniotaylor2808
@antoniotaylor2808 4 жыл бұрын
mannypedib Same unsubscribed!
@outherewildinb2874
@outherewildinb2874 4 жыл бұрын
Her 'sceptic' both sides approach really jumped out lmao
@psin8986
@psin8986 4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest considering how a black person (who most likely is already emotionally exhausted) would feel watching these videos. Would they feel supported? Would they feel seen? Would they feel safe?
@PhilosophyLines
@PhilosophyLines 4 жыл бұрын
Why would someone saying that they support BLM (but have healthy scepticism of certain claims of the organisation, like some black people) but adding that they don't think people should be shamed for not making pronouncements regarding it make black people feel 'unsafe' or 'not seen'?
@alexandrafryer4499
@alexandrafryer4499 4 жыл бұрын
I would suggest considering that maybe not all black people are emotionally exhausted, some black people actually feel empowered. There's a lot of generalisations going on lately. For example, would an empowered black person NEED to be supported by UV ? Do they NEED to be seen by UV ? Does their safety RELY on UV ? I don't think so. Not everybody in any one ethnic group thinks the same way.
@eleanor4759
@eleanor4759 3 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? How one of Swayze's viewers feels is not at all her responsibility. How we each feel regarding ourselves and society is on us
@CarnismDebunked
@CarnismDebunked Жыл бұрын
Many black people agree with Unnatural Vegan. BLM is a scam anyway.
@allisonshine6022
@allisonshine6022 4 жыл бұрын
So I missed the first video, and based on the “this is not an apology” vibe, I thought I was gonna come to the comments and see everyone ignorant on BLM and she is standing up for the cause...but now I see it is the opposite!
@JaySmooth
@JaySmooth 4 жыл бұрын
Same!
@isabelnecessary5915
@isabelnecessary5915 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was expecting! God was this a disappointment
@GeeBri
@GeeBri 4 жыл бұрын
I’m happy there are comments giving resources about BLM!
@jenathent4840
@jenathent4840 4 жыл бұрын
It’s extremely Disappointing......
@mary-catherineelizabeth7277
@mary-catherineelizabeth7277 4 жыл бұрын
I used to agree with you on the issue of supposedly "mindlessly repeating talking points," until I realized that that relies upon the assumption that points made by black activists aren't worth repeating. As a white person, I've gotten a lot into leftism and activism on various issues that don't affect me, and I've never felt like I "couldn't speak" or that people wanted me to just "repeat talking points." What has happened is that I have taken the time to not only listen to everything every random black person has to say, but to read serious black thinkers like Angela Davis and Malcolm X, and to listen to the lived experiences of BIPOC, which unto itself made me value their "talking points," because they have experienced things I cannot understand. I still don't agree with listening to "everything every black person ever says," and I don't feel that this has been asked of me. But when the black community at large, from the working class and black trans women with no platform at all up to icons in the black community like Davis, generally shares the same or similar perspective, it's most likely based on an understanding that I don't have, and therefore is something I should make an attempt to understand- and THEN repeat/amplify it. Not because I was told to, but because it's genuinely the right thing to do.
@torvaderon
@torvaderon 4 жыл бұрын
That is great I am glad you found a topic that interests you. I think the most beautiful test to see if you understand something is to say it in your own words ;)
@elianab5549
@elianab5549 4 жыл бұрын
YES. Exactly so we’ll said
@groundedgameplayx
@groundedgameplayx 4 жыл бұрын
Precisely. And re. "Defund the police"-- the police are simultaneously underpaid while being grossly overfunded. It's the allocation of funds, the budgeting and pay structure, that makes it so cops are underpaid. You (Unnatural Vegan) make it seem clear that you are not open to new information, as you generalize these criticisms as being a doomed echochamber, assuming that we aren't capable of actual research. Many of us who share these beliefs have educated ourselves our entire lives or have college degrees in these subjects like politics and sociology. You are willfully remaining uninformed and resisting the true sentiments rather than choosing to educate yourself. I don't even know where to begin with this video honestly. Edit: and you refuse to books written by scientists with what you consider or assume to be extremist views? You're intentionally exclusive with what science you choose to expose yourself to? As if legitimate scientists can't have extremist views? And your thumbnail: "pity poor me. not only am I doubling down no apologies, but I, the victim, am blatantly & carelessly disregarding any criticism." I'm still honestly surprised how much is wrong with this video, I've barely scratched the surface.
@LisaLisa-hf3ht
@LisaLisa-hf3ht 4 жыл бұрын
I believe you are not understanding her statement of education. She is referring to higher education and deductive thoughts and reasoning and not only listening to someone's experience. If we look at the numbers (BLM will hate this) very few blacks are killed by white police officers compared to other races. I believe she is open to FACTS, not conjecture. Defunding the police~ We can't do that it will not work. Do we need to change policies...heck YES! I have heard some asinine ideas on this. The bottom line is (and many black people have said this) burning down buildings or your community doesn't work and that is a knee jerk reaction emotionally. When I found out last night 3 cops were poisoned in NYC many things went through my mind that were not good. The difference is I want justice (legally) for those that were hurt and my reaction at first was inappropriate. I will be honest and will get hate but this is the truth...the people that are rioting (not protesting there is a difference) have not matured enough to get past their emotions and to think logically. The only way to make effective change is to sit down at a table and come up with a solution. Defunding the police or stealing a TV in the name of one of those killed is irrational at best! I wish people could put their own egos aside act like an adult and have a conversation.
@pythonjava6228
@pythonjava6228 4 жыл бұрын
This
@Momoxdear
@Momoxdear 4 жыл бұрын
Social science is still science. You waxed poetic about data while providing nothing when there are countless peer reviewed studies talking about social issues and impact. Might want to take your job more seriously next time.
@olympicmascot2345
@olympicmascot2345 4 жыл бұрын
Roséquarkz thank you for this!!!!
@sonyab.1051
@sonyab.1051 4 жыл бұрын
Roséquarkz yes!!!! Social science is science. I’m shocked that she didn’t even provide data like she normally does. Ugh sadness because I love her videos :(.
@courtney_j
@courtney_j 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. This video was such a contrast to the well-researched one about trans issues she made in response to Stef Sanjati. Why the lack of research in this one?
@CinziaDuBois
@CinziaDuBois 4 жыл бұрын
Most of us live a system where our political world is severely detached from the society it's running. In the UK, white, pompous, privately educated pomps make decisions on welfare, food stamps, public transport, education and social reform, when the whole lot of them grew up in a world with a silver spoon in their mouths and have never known true financial or social struggle in their lives. Our politicians can't relate to us, and for that, we suffer. Posh toffs don't know what it;'s like to go on the doll or live on the streets, but a lot of socialists and liberals can relate - sadly, they don't have the power to implement policies which change the system for them. You have probably had similar frustrations with your own government... The same goes for a system which is lead by white people in the name of black people. How can you not see that? It's not classist to say the government needs more repsentation in it when it comes to class, race and gender, and it's not racist to take a step back and say "you know what, we need black-lead research papers and black people at the forefront of this' (I'm amazed you of all people consider reverse racism a thing to be quite honest. It's not). Saying black people are more efficient at being in charge of reforms which directly affect black lives isn't saying no white people should be involved, but white people really shouldn't be in charge because they can't relate to the black experience and don't know the intricacies of what affect white systems have on black people and POC. Black people are dying and suffering because white people are in charge of the social systems which impact their lives. To say that the current system is effective and can be sorted out with potentially better white people is ignorant. They've lived under a white-ruled system for hundreds of years and look where it's got them - even the most well-intentions white person isn't capable of creating overhauling ineffective systems on behalf of black people (urgh, even writing that sentence made me cringe - the white saviour vibes that came from such a sentiment grossed me out). Listening to black people doesn't mean white academics and white politicians and policymakers sit in a room with black people, hear what they have to say and then go away and do the work - it means overhauling the system which excludes black people from those spaces in the first place and giving them to space to finally make the changes they need using their expertise and knowledge. Also, the animal crossing outro - yikes. That was so "now I've hardheadedly and defensively slashed back at people over my uninformed opinions about BLM, let me get back to my white agenda of Animal crossing gameplay because that's what the viewers REALLY want to know about in this video.' I'm disappointed, I must say.
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your statement but I wouldn’t even say that leftists have necessarily experienced poverty and injustice (surely, people who have are more likely to be left-leaning) but we just actually care about other people, not just ourselves. That’s how I see it anyways.
@Neuchowski
@Neuchowski 4 жыл бұрын
if people don't allow these conversations to become casual and normalised isn't there a risk they will stop happening when BLM is no longer trending?
@gailisaacs2
@gailisaacs2 4 жыл бұрын
Race doesn't necessarily make you a better advocate for speaking up against racism (it probably does usually but not always) because people of the same race will have different lived experience. This is how people like Priti Patel can prevent immigrants coming to the UK, who are essentially the same as her parents, because she has never experienced wanting to move to a country with better opportunities and a better quality of life because her lived experience does not include that. It's also why you can find black republicans speaking out against the BLM movement because their lived experience is different to a majority of black people. Now I wouldn't want those people on a panel about racism and equality because they would probably say everything is fine and move on. A person's race alone does not make them able to solve the issue of systemic racism. I agree a panel of white people probably wouldn't do much good either but to say that white people can't be leaders is a but much. We know Jeremy Corbyn was anti-apartheid and had he been elected PM he probably would've have done a lot more to push forward on systemic racism, would he have done it by his own white self probably not but he would have been a white leader in charge who would've probably made positive changes towards racism in the UK. Denis Goldberg another white man who was imprisoned alongside Nelson Mandela in the Rivonia Trail and was a prominent activist against apartheid. To say that white people can't also lead the change of systemic racism is a problem I think. Obviously black people need to be listened to, obviously there are black activists who have been campaigning against systemic racism for a long time and they shouldn't be ignored but neither should the white people who stand alongside them who have also campaigned for the same changes for just as long.
@jasminechristiano1125
@jasminechristiano1125 4 жыл бұрын
I agree and yes that outro was cringy.
@user-so4jg1bo5f
@user-so4jg1bo5f 4 жыл бұрын
when taking about black spaces there is a point you are not understanding. Black people aren't saying that white people should not have their own opinions on black issues. The point being made is that there are and should be spaces for black people to conjugate, talk, share experiences, feelings, and opinions without white people interjecting. Think of it this way, if you are a person who suffers from alcoholism or you have ptsd, or go to meetings for parents with autistic children, you do not want a person who does not experience these things to constantly be in your meetings giving their opinion on your issues, experiences, and life! and you cant say well what about the therapist that help these people, they aren't their to give opinions but to give support and listen which is what white people should do. for so long white people have been in positions of power, feeding us their opinions, their policies, their solutions, and who has it served. Please tell because I want to know. What you don't understand is that black people have been going through the trauma for years, this trauma is rooted from systemic racism, racial disparities, systemic oppression, poverty, cultural encapsulation, white supremacy, ethnocentric monoculturalism , generational incarceration, human degradation, and dehumanization. When trauma repeatedly occurs at some point people get exhausted and need a safe space, their own space and if this does not include white people and their opinions then so be it. There is a time a place for everything including white opinions, and when we are ready to share to white people we just want y'all to listen and support.
@agatajabonska8560
@agatajabonska8560 4 жыл бұрын
So are you Ok with white people having their own white safe spaces, where black people are not welcomed?
@Taletree92
@Taletree92 4 жыл бұрын
The comparison to supportgroups gave me a deeper understanding than I had. Thank you for educating!
@sophyaalamudun301
@sophyaalamudun301 4 жыл бұрын
Agata Jabłońska The point is that white people already have these spaces. Most spaces in America are made for and predominantly run by white people. Black peoples are excluded and pushed out from these spaces.
@OnAlmostAnyEvening
@OnAlmostAnyEvening 4 жыл бұрын
Agata Jabłońska if we use the example of a support group for people with PTSD...why would people without PTSD need to go off and start their own non PTSD group? It would make no sense. Black people having spaces where they can be unapologetically themselves and talk about their experiences without white people stepping to try to invalidate them is totally valid. Why would you create a whites only group? So you can be unapologetically racist without be called out for it?
@user-so4jg1bo5f
@user-so4jg1bo5f 4 жыл бұрын
Agata Jabłońska I'm completely ok with that. To be honest they already occupy many spaces in which they are allowed to be themselves and share their experiences without being given an opinion from other, specifically black people.
@Angeline1331
@Angeline1331 4 жыл бұрын
She started out criticizing someone from Anonymous for the Voiceless for doing the same thing she has spent two videos doing.
@jenathent4840
@jenathent4840 4 жыл бұрын
It’s honestly ridiculous how she can’t see what’s she’s doing.
@starylize
@starylize 4 жыл бұрын
exactly!
@annaericsson6160
@annaericsson6160 4 жыл бұрын
Wow what a hard listen this was. Theres so much wrong information and you have such a condescending attitude towards the critisism. I think one of the worst things is how you keep stating you're not a racist. Racism isnt that black and white (no pun intended), You can care about black lives and still act racist and have racist thoughts and opinions. I see a lot of comments and videos from black people that took offence to your video, so to just shake their opinions and their hurt feelings off by claiming you're "not a racist" is extremely... Well, racist. But i dont know why i bother trying to make you understand this, its clear you dismiss all of this critisism as hate.
@rikkirikki4892
@rikkirikki4892 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of white people really think that racism is just self-professed racists, when in actuality the racism that tends to affect people the most is the kind that doesn't wear it's bigotry on it's sleeve. That kind of racism, the kind that doesn't call itself racist, is much more insidious because white people who can't see it for what it is end up defending it or saying it's just people expressing their opinion or "just facts" or "just a preference" or whatever. Racism isn't just people who are aware and proud of the fact that they don't like Black people, although that is obviously also racism. The world would be a hell of a lot simpler if it was. I mean shit, I've heard Neo Nazi leaders say they aren't racist. Many white supremacists say "I'm not racist, I'm just looking at the facts of race and I'm trying to be realistic about the solutions!"
@rikkirikki4892
@rikkirikki4892 4 жыл бұрын
@Hailey Nicole Especially because those people believe they're being anti-racist! When in fact they're doing the opposite by thinking everyone is "the same" and not "seeing colour" -- that's how we get ideas like "affirmative action is racist against white people" and other nonsense. It makes sense if you take a surface-level look at it ie "this gives one group preference over another, therefore it is racist" but that's because the colourblind approach to racism leaves out all history, context, and collected data about racism. It ends up being racism presenting as tolerance, and the people who do it *really* believe they're all about equality, fairness, and tolerance. I've noticed this happens a lot with people who don't have a diverse group of people in their life as a side note.
@Dolleemixtures
@Dolleemixtures 4 жыл бұрын
Yo, so Jack of all trades, master of none is only half of that quote. It's "Jack of all trades, master of none, often better than master of none." Meaning a person with widespread but not master knowledge is usually more knowledgeable than someone who isn't a master. Most people aren't masters, most people aren't Jacks. Jack of all trades is clearly a good thing
@bethanmae
@bethanmae 4 жыл бұрын
I think you meant to write "often better than master of one" - ie. it's better to have a general knowledge of many things than have ultimate knowledge of only one thing.
@mlorpf
@mlorpf 4 жыл бұрын
@@bethanmae That makes a lot more sense :)
@Dolleemixtures
@Dolleemixtures 4 жыл бұрын
@@bethanmae did I?? I think you're right! And that makes even sense! Jack's are better than masters and non masters!!!
@megamorpher1
@megamorpher1 4 жыл бұрын
... so what? :D
@unoffensiveusername1887
@unoffensiveusername1887 4 жыл бұрын
If you don't feel knowledgeable on the topic, maybe don't speak on it? I think if you had come out and said "I've been asked to talk about this, and frankly, I'm just not knowledgeable enough" I think it would have been received a lot better than "I don't think I or anyone else is obligated to talk about it and let me take 30 minutes to tell you why." I like you, Swayze, I always have. I'm not walking away from you channel. But I honestly feel like you've spent an hour talking out of your ass in defense of something you have confessed your not knowledgeable on. Specifically telling people that because you're not knowledgeable you maybe shouldn't be talking about it. Not my favorite Swayze moment.
@unoffensiveusername1887
@unoffensiveusername1887 4 жыл бұрын
*you're Dammit
@tayyylor
@tayyylor 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with this wholeheartedly. You don't have to speak out in support of BLM specifically, but there's a civil rights movement happening outside of your window and your take is we shouldn't pressure people to be supportive of it? I like to see inclusivity in what I support, and I want to hear from everyone that they're taking antiracist actions.
@TeamSugoiFrog
@TeamSugoiFrog 4 жыл бұрын
Taylor Moessinger so youre more comfortable with the performance activism?
@torvaderon
@torvaderon 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting perception of what contribution to a discussion means. In you view knowledge is transfered like dumping water from one cup to the other. So if you have never received any bit of water in you cup about blm you shouldn't talk about it. I'd like to disagree here. Imo knowledge is critical and her criticism on the silence is violence crowd or individual commenters was genuine and also adds to the knowledge of everyone.
@addangel
@addangel 4 жыл бұрын
TeamSugoiFrog I know I am. I'm much more comfortable with people saying they support blm and anti-racism than those making elaborate points on why they shouldn't be obligated to take a stance. even if you don't agree with blm practices as an organization, you can still come out and speak against racism and police brutality. there's no excuse for silence imo
@missioncontrol893
@missioncontrol893 4 жыл бұрын
I understand that you are validated by the usual good feedback relating to the research and overall understanding that goes into your other 'vegan' content. However, that does not mean you know it all. If you are surprised by the criticism you have received, take a moment to understand why. Humility will take you a long way.
@kurtfranklin2680
@kurtfranklin2680 3 жыл бұрын
Mission Control she’s surprised by the criticism because she didn’t realize that so many of her fans were woke nut jobs.
@julissiajones6198
@julissiajones6198 3 жыл бұрын
@@kurtfranklin2680 "nut jobs"? OK 🙄 I support the movement and also agreed on everything she said, but some of the commenters have valid criticisms, and them voicing those criticisms doesn't make them nut jobs
@kurtfranklin2680
@kurtfranklin2680 3 жыл бұрын
Julissia Jones I noticed you didn’t take issue with me calling them woke. I don’t think all the people criticizing her are but jobs. But some are, based on their comments. At the very least they are far less rational and emotionally stable than UV herself. UV wasn’t surprised that people disagreed with her. She was surprised that so many list their shit. Perhaps you’d prefer the term “emotionally unstable.”
@cynd.9029
@cynd.9029 4 жыл бұрын
How the heck does this video end with an animal crossing ramble? I mean.. what??
@obienator
@obienator 4 жыл бұрын
It seemed totally tone deaf, she could have ended the video with links to Vegan BLM causes....but this was so bizarre I had to leave.
@myamoore502
@myamoore502 3 жыл бұрын
She’s out of it. Completely. Check her recent video.
@jazy3091
@jazy3091 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. It really really looks like she's doing everything in her power to make sure the BLM cause is diminished and belittled.
@Mary-ix6pw
@Mary-ix6pw 4 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to applaud all the people out there trying to help UV understand. Personally, I have learned a lot from the comments and I feel supported as a black woman by this community. I think the comments are more helpful for people that view her videos and need a reeducation from the 'Karen' nonsense she's spewing.
@Rg-es9kv
@Rg-es9kv 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like your only happy about 'right' opinion being stated and you want her to be educated as such, but you say help understand as if there is a choice for her to engage in discourse in order to her to reach this truth, this is indoctrination which is not helping someone understand
@eleanor4759
@eleanor4759 3 жыл бұрын
'Reeducation' ie. Indoctrination/brainwashing.
@Mary-ix6pw
@Mary-ix6pw 3 жыл бұрын
Rational Media Are you going to address her racism? If it helps, I’ll take off the word Karen. How about I just call her racist?
@Mary-ix6pw
@Mary-ix6pw 3 жыл бұрын
R g I wasn’t talking to her. And yes, I am happy when someone is right
@Mary-ix6pw
@Mary-ix6pw 3 жыл бұрын
Ellie I sure, why not. You can define words any way you’d like. My one year does it all the time.
@JoAnyj
@JoAnyj 4 жыл бұрын
27:09 yes, *obviously* you should not be assuming any of your commenters are accurately representing the movement, so you should do your own research, learn from some *experts* and get back to us, rather than relying on your viewers to educate you when you're being tone-deaf
@notthefather3919
@notthefather3919 4 жыл бұрын
Here's the thing you still don't get. You felt it necessary to make a video about how people shouldn't have to speak out on something instead of either speaking or staying silent on it. That's why it came off to people the way it did. You took time on your platform to essentially say "this is my platform and you can't tell me what to do". No one expects an apology because it's a waste of time expecting one from someone so privileged to make videos, during a particular social crisis, about how they shouldn't be forced to speak on it even though they have pointed out how other vegans have failed to have compassion for other sentient beings.
@swirlyful
@swirlyful 4 жыл бұрын
I think it makes perfect sense, because there was already overwhelming public advocacy for BLM but nobody really from Swayze's position putting out her viewpoint. So, her making the video was kind of adding a new viewpoint, and thus worthwhile.
@notthefather3919
@notthefather3919 4 жыл бұрын
@@swirlyful yea. Just like there was no one from Swayze's privileged white woman position putting out their racist anti-black view points. That would've been worthwhile!! Are you serious? What value did she add to the conversation? She could've kept her tone deaf viewpoint. Sorry, you're going to have to try something else.
@beau4588
@beau4588 4 жыл бұрын
@@notthefather3919 speak on itt
@lalabox777
@lalabox777 4 жыл бұрын
this IS her platform. Why let yourself be bothered by what she says on it. That's kind of the point.
@notthefather3919
@notthefather3919 4 жыл бұрын
@@lalabox777 wait, the woman who had made a career out of pointing out what others are doing wrong on their platforms? Please. Try again.
@julesava6775
@julesava6775 4 жыл бұрын
As a doctoral candidate at a R1 University, I can promise you that white scientist and intellectuals don't have the the same understanding of the black experience as any black person. Experiencing something for yourself weighs heavily on your understanding. Knowing what it's like to be black is not like understanding the symptoms and treatment of cancer. There are so many daily intricacies that non-black people will never be able to study in books. This is why black people need to be given a voice and should lead these conversations. This doesn't mean that white people can't contribute and also share their thoughts, but they shouldn't overpower the black voices because this movement is about THEM! And thats even an extreme comparison because usually it's not a question of whether a white scientist, lawyer, economist should lead BLM versus an uneducated black person. There are black intellectuals out there too.. and their black experience only amplifies their education when leading these movements. As a black person, I've never been able to "pick and choose" whether to care about BLM. Must be nice for you though. The way you're treating this reminds me of how "vegans for health" act. Yes they still support veganism but if they made the empathetic connection to the animals and how it feels to be them then they would most likely think of their veganism a little differently. It wouldn't be about them but about the animals. For a moment, imagine how it would feel to have a loved one wrongfully killed by the police. Or on a smaller scale, imagine if you and your family member got pulled over twice and much, received twice as many tickets, and were most often disrespected. Shit gets really annoying after years and years. And then it sucks even more because you don't even feel comfortable calling the cops when you actually need help because you know there is a chance that it might backfire on you. I guess maybe "defund the police" would sound more extreme to me if I actually benefited at all from their overwhelming presence. You know a lot about about veganism and I've always respected your informed open mindedness but this is not that same vibe. You seem very defensive and uniformed. The latter is fine. I believe we need to normalize people admitting that they didn't know enough and were wrong about a topic. Saying I don't know enough is a fine excuse; ideally, you should educate yourself afterwards but we can't know everything about all things so I think it's understandable at the least. However, I would encourage you to reflect on why you are so defensive on this topic. Also, did you say that systemic racism is a conspiracy..? I'm just going to assume I misunderstood you. Last thing I promise, maybe look into the definition of racist because yikes. Someone stating that 'all white people have implicit bias which has an affect on their activism' is not racist or even predjudice. But you repeatedly used the term incorrectly and it seems like you're throwing it around in a bitter way which is interesting because typically people aren't that defensive about name calling when they KNOW they don't belong to that term.
@scathach2815
@scathach2815 4 жыл бұрын
Systemic racism is real. One really good example: Redlining.
@Littlenik
@Littlenik 4 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY !!!
@Jen18812
@Jen18812 4 жыл бұрын
"There are black intellectuals out there too.. and their black experience only amplifies their education when leading these movements." Really great point.
@julesava6775
@julesava6775 4 жыл бұрын
@M H If you are the doctor that you claim to be then I'm going to trust that you are smart enough to find these studies and statistics on your own. The research has been done; the facts are there. Furthermore, I'm a structural engineering PhD so, even though I do donate time and efforts towards helping unprivileged communities, my dissertation research doesn't really overlap. But for intersectionality purposes, I have been on a couple engineering ed papers and we've looked at systemic racism and sexism within the engineering education world. Due to these results, we've actually received a NSF grant to work on our departments diversity. Very exciting :) So thank you for the research suggestion but I'm already ahead of you. Lastly, your ad hominems are quite hypocritical and telling😂
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
Scáthach i’m assuming that this is highly related to redlining but also: suburbia was originally just for white people.
@ZeBeFruity
@ZeBeFruity 4 жыл бұрын
If not for the Black Panthers, the 504 Sit In in 1977 prob would have been unsuccessful and People with Disablities would have no rights.
@ZeBeFruity
@ZeBeFruity 4 жыл бұрын
one right won was universal design, which btw helps bikers and strollers. : )
@SirNomad
@SirNomad 4 жыл бұрын
100% fake news.
@thaichillidippingsauce593
@thaichillidippingsauce593 4 жыл бұрын
or the LGTQ+ people
@jennoscura2381
@jennoscura2381 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yes! I am disabled and I really dig the Black Panthers. When discussing gun rights I love using the picture of Huey Newton with a shotgun standing in front of a window that says "Black Panther Party for Self Defense".
@sinisterjuggalo4364
@sinisterjuggalo4364 3 жыл бұрын
*citation needed
@Trekkifulshay
@Trekkifulshay 4 жыл бұрын
Even though you claim to take criticism this whole video feels like you're stomping your foot refusing to take anything on board.
@HIEEE2112
@HIEEE2112 4 жыл бұрын
I am so disappointed in you. But one thing I want to point out--there were five ads on this video. If you do support BLM, put your money where your mouth is and donate your proceeds from this mess of a video.
@byrnetdown6076
@byrnetdown6076 4 жыл бұрын
@Rational Media emotional bullying????? so you're racist or ??? you can just come out and say it 👀
@AmethystQtz
@AmethystQtz 4 жыл бұрын
@Rational Media are you Unnatural Vegan, just commenting defending yourself using a different account?
@byrnetdown6076
@byrnetdown6076 4 жыл бұрын
@English Woodland black lives matter doesnt have anything to do with marxism? but okay? try again?
@kyrawesley8152
@kyrawesley8152 4 жыл бұрын
@English Woodland being Marxists is complete irrelevant to the discussion. Their marxist take just means they recognize how capitalism plays a role in the oppression of black people (slavery, school to prison pipeline, the department of justice report done on ferguson police showing how they were profitting off of harassing black people)
@leonamay8776
@leonamay8776 4 жыл бұрын
That's actually a really good point. I'd respect her much more for that.
@lolaagurl
@lolaagurl 4 жыл бұрын
I've been a subscriber for years and have enjoyed Swayze's ability to explain her opposing views, as well as critique her own previous missteps. It is surprising to see her create such an uninformed video. Several of her retorts in this video heavily rely on assumptions, sly condescension, and fallacies. It also seems as though she's purposely refusing to understand comments in their entirety and completely disregarding those who have critiqued each part of her stance across various social media platforms. Swayze, with your research skills, you have the ability to find and analyze research pertaining to racism/defunding police/abolition. You have the ability to learn how white supremacy is throughly embedded within America's social fabric. Why did you make two videos back to back that clearly display your lack of understanding? What was the purpose of the video? I am a black woman who supports BLM, prison abolition, and police abolition. I actually agree with you that all silence is not violence, but because most white people do need to be quiet and listen to the experiences of black people that they so often do not engage with. Thats why the purpose of these videos confuses me because you're arguing for your right to be silent with one of your points being that you're admittedly not well informed. Its almost as if your videos were in attempt to help other white people feel less bad about not taking the time to educate themselves about their privilege in the US? To compare some of the talking points to flat earthers or write them off as conspiracy theorists was shocking to say the least. Black Americans have been chronicling their experiences with racism and white supremacy since slavery. There are several theorists and "respected" (I say that in quotes because you may have some unpacking to do regarding what you view as respected) social scientists, and PHDs that have released peer reviewed studies regarding the impact of racism and how white people benefit from this. Again, I know for a fact you would be able to access this research if you cared to learn more. In conclusion, you do have the right to stay silent and you could've done that while taking some time to truly learn of the horrific history of fellow Black Americans. Making videos to argue your choice to be silent while also remaining condescending and willfully ignorant was where you missed the mark.
@miantgv
@miantgv 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, so she is ignorant because she doesn't share your ideological views, huh? Such a dogmatic and fallacious position. How ironic that you dare to talk about fallacies.
@renelaramee
@renelaramee 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve unsubscribed. I have been transitioning to a more plant-based lifestyle and trying to find someone I agree with but you are not it. I beg you to watch Cheap Lazy Vegan’s (Rose) video. It is very comprehensive and focused unlike yours. You’ve posted two 34 minute videos saying you support BLM but that’s not the message I received. Commenters shouldn’t have to explain everything they mean. TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR RATINGS MORE PEOPLE HAVE DISLIKED THAN LIKED and it’s not because they don’t know what they’re talking about or they want you to stop advocating for veganism, it’s because you decided to speak and show that you don’t actually know what BLM stands for or what defunding the police means. It was so painful for me to watch these videos and see where you stand. You won’t know what it’s like to feel oppressed and so I think you should do some research and listening just to understand what you are supporting. On “silence is violence”, I think it is doing more harm than good at this point. The goal was to have people say if they support BLM or not and spread awareness. It’s very simple and I’ve seen a lot of KZfaqrs just post a small thing saying Black Lives Matter and a link to the website. I don’t really believe that silence is violence unless someone is a bystander in a situation and they don’t report it or at least tell the truth when questioned. I think it was really immature to say that people are conspiracy theorists and that they’re uneducated. It’s invalidating and the exact reason that Black Spaces exist. They just want to be heard. Black people aren’t in power and we are just looking for real equality and that won’t come from people who benefit from the system that brings them up and pushes us down. You will probably never have to teach your children how not to not get killed by the police and that is why black voices need to be heard and taken seriously.
@eleanor4759
@eleanor4759 3 жыл бұрын
Probably not a good idea to only seek out people you agree with. That's called an echo chamber
@eleanor4759
@eleanor4759 3 жыл бұрын
Black people are not in power because America is a majority white country. Just the same as white people are not in power in India. Are there white spaces there?
@rebeccaflack8889
@rebeccaflack8889 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Swayze, I’m sorry that addiction has taken people close to you and caused you to suffer. That is truly awful. But... I’m not sure that addiction or cancer are the best examples to help think through why people want to include black people in decision making regarding stoping police violence and racism (conscious and subconscious) generally. Recognizing that we can all find an example that fits our own narrative... I think a closer comparison to make would be to look at another identity that is marginalized in our society. For example, I believe that a person who uses a wheelchair should be included in discussions on how best to build accessible buildings. As a person who doesn’t use a wheelchair, I probably wouldn’t be able to think of all the things that aren’t accessible to someone who does. Of course, this doesn’t mean that a wheelchair user who has no other building credentials should be made the architect. But just because the architect has been to school to design buildings doesn’t mean they are equipped to think through the best way to make this building wheelchair accessible. In a similar vein, I don’t know if it is enough to rely on the ‘science’ that is already present, as we need to recognize who is doing this science and what has been missed/still lacking in evidence. Of course psychologists and economists are essential to solving these problems. I don’t think anyone is arguing that, and if they are idk what to say. What I think is that including the people who experience this violence on a physical, emotional, mental level in these discussions, as well as being involved in deciding if a given solution will actually have a positive impact on their community, gives us the best chance as a society to end violence against black folx.
@rebeccaflack8889
@rebeccaflack8889 4 жыл бұрын
I rewatched the video a second time and here is another thought I had... I think potentially pushing to include black ppl in the leadership of this movement is in itself an attempt to change the system (of institutionalized racism). What I mean is that black folks are disproportionately not in leadership positions and this both contributes to and is a symptom of systematic racism. (To be clear I have come to this video with an open mind to what you have to say)
@Jen18812
@Jen18812 4 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccaflack8889 In response to both of your comments, I just want to say you make so much sense and this is a really good point that I think Swayze - and I hope you're reading this - can latch onto and incorporate into her logic regarding this. It's really helpful for me too because while I get what Swayze is saying, I realize I wasn't allowing myself the full picture which would lead me to my most critically-formed conclusion. Your comment helped me get there. Thank you.
@elianab5549
@elianab5549 4 жыл бұрын
that is a really well thought out analogy!
@Geoffrey454
@Geoffrey454 4 жыл бұрын
@@rebeccaflack8889 we're also forgetting the fact that there are many black experts in the fields necessary to build policies and reforms and that giving those roles to others would be similar to casting a white person to play a black person's part in a film.
@clarabrandaog
@clarabrandaog 4 жыл бұрын
Your explanation was great. It's such an easy to understand point and I don't get why Swayze 1) don't understand it, 2) don't accept that people are criticising her because she misread an entire situation and 3) refuses to answer every single amazing comment like.your explaining point by point what she claims "we didn't understand of her logic"
@rosesandgold
@rosesandgold 4 жыл бұрын
30:06 "Some topics deserve more careful consideration that others; they shouldn't be spoken about mindlessly." Yet here you are speaking about an issue you admit having no education about mindlessly. What also struck me as really counter-productive is your blind faith in research and your claim that only people who scientifically research topics should have their voices heard. Statements like this really indicative about your ignorance on how research is being done in fields outside of the "hard" sciences like biology, chemistry, physics etc. There is so many issues with the canon being historically westernised and representative of only white people and there's so many problems with POC not being able to advance in academia despite having all the credentials AND lived experience (which btw why are you discounting lived experience as not being valid just because it's not "scientific"? this is alone speaks volumes about how you are completely unaware of your privilege). More recently academia has made efforts to open out in fields like area studies which have been historically represented mostly by white voices to give marginalised groups the ability to advance in their fields. Not to mention that academia itself is founded on Eurocentric Enlightenment ideas about knowledge and upholds racist power structures. I might not be wording all of this correctly (English is not my first language) but I strongly strongly encourage you to read up on why academia in itself can be extremely problematic when it comes to social sciences, area studies and humanities. I also encourage you to check out "how not to travel like a basic bitch" on instagram who's very active in this regard and might be able to teach you a thing or two. And yes, she has a PhD, since this clearly matters so much to you.
@ramyakiran6653
@ramyakiran6653 4 жыл бұрын
And additionally, even the 'hard sciences' have roots in racism. A lot of medical research was done on slaves, and a lot of that information now is off the backs of the exploitation of black people. And even now, the rates of mortality in black women during childbirth far exceeds that of white women. Science in and of itself is not unbiased.
@marilouneko2340
@marilouneko2340 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you i was looking for this comment!!! She comes off as so unaware of the eurocentric systemic racism in academia!!! Very disappointing
@honeymoon1809
@honeymoon1809 4 жыл бұрын
As a black person who's been subscribed to you for years, I think I need to officially unsubscribe. These videos come across as lazy and entitled, and it really bothers me that you're using Black Lives Matter as clickbait on monetized videos in which you justify why people shouldn't have to support it. You say you support the movement but you're using it for your own gain while also downplaying it's importance and it's kind of gross.
@foureyeswonder
@foureyeswonder 4 жыл бұрын
Same. Well said.
@reeceb1259
@reeceb1259 4 жыл бұрын
Feel free to return once you've broken through your delusion. Until then, you won't be missed.
@stone-sama7314
@stone-sama7314 4 жыл бұрын
lol, k bye
@Gabriela-mp9zr
@Gabriela-mp9zr 4 жыл бұрын
リース狼 calling someone delusional because they don’t agree with you is the new calling a woman crazy when she just doesn’t like you lmao
@sarahantonietti4867
@sarahantonietti4867 4 жыл бұрын
❤️ I’m joining you in unsubscribing
@solgorlero2683
@solgorlero2683 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe "it doesn't make you bigoted or apathetic to withhold support", it just makes you privileged and entitled.
@eleanor4759
@eleanor4759 3 жыл бұрын
Or you don't support them.
@Angryalpaca1503
@Angryalpaca1503 3 жыл бұрын
There is so much nuance in people because of their unique experiences and it would be arrogant to generalize them, because you just don't now them
@phoebe543
@phoebe543 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who unfortunately has spent a lot of time in rooms with specialists, you should know that the modern understanding for doctors is that there are always “two experts in the room”, their words. The reason for this is that experiencing your condition absolutely does give you a form of insight inaccessible to empirical evidence. That’s what doctors believe and it’s why the doctor has to listen to the patient and work with them. Experts of any race can and should provide empirical evidence and advice to an effected group, but it’s the people experiencing the issue who need to make the final decision. You should know also that “defund the police” doesn’t mean getting rid of them or cutting salaries and training. It’s a confusing slogan, but the actual proposals behind it come from academia, not the BLM movement.
@kristin6237
@kristin6237 4 жыл бұрын
Defund the police does mean get rid of them tho 💀
@BRhymesss
@BRhymesss 4 жыл бұрын
Kristin no, defund the police doesnt mean get rid of them. It might be a future goal, but really it means reducing the police force and shifting a lot of their budget to different areas that would actually benefit the community.
@sivacrom
@sivacrom 4 жыл бұрын
Look, nobody should have to say this; it should be really obvious. And I regret having to point this out. But, in a free society, where ideas are debated, words matter. Say what you mean, mean what you say. If your slogan says something different than what you mean, it’s not the right slogan. So when resources don’t get reallocated because not enough people got onboard with “defunding the police,” you’ll only have yourselves to blame. Preview; the take away will be, “Next time let’s pick a slogan that accurately describes what we want.”
@BRhymesss
@BRhymesss 4 жыл бұрын
sivacrom do you have a slogan to recommend?
@andrew-song
@andrew-song 4 жыл бұрын
B Rhymes Yeah, “demilitarize the police.” Misnomers have no common place in society, so saying “defund the police” completely detracts from the sentiment, and thus the message is lost in translation. The phrase shouldn’t even hint at defunding public resources, it should hit at reallocating wealth distribution. Not taking away from a privilege that many communities benefit from in the name of local security.
@ThePookkii
@ThePookkii 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible lack of self-awareness and disregard to think critically about the issues your viewers raise. So much in this video and the last reflects willful ignorance. Your subscribers can be a wealth of knowledge if you respect their opinions enough to consider.
@PhilosophyLines
@PhilosophyLines 4 жыл бұрын
What wilful ignorance were you thinking of? I'm sure you have read Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Coleman Hughes, and other black writers who criticise elements of BLM, right?
@PhilosophyLines
@PhilosophyLines 4 жыл бұрын
@Hailey Nicole I'm not tone policing, I'm suggesting they are ignorant of certain black perspectives. They are acting as if reasonable disagreement is impossible. Somehow I suspect you haven't read the same writers.
@Nicotine027
@Nicotine027 4 жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyLines Black people aren't a monolith. Just because there are black writers who disagree with BLM's tactics doesn't mean BLM's tactics are fundamentally wrong.
@shelby2117
@shelby2117 4 жыл бұрын
I love it when white people say, "black people are not a monolith". Of course we're not, but consensus matters and right now the consensus among the black community is that we're sick and tired, of dying at the hands of police, of having a poorer quality of life, of being 60 years out from legal segregation being abolished but still dealing with being 2nd class citizens in many respects. Stop trying to cherry pick to suit your needs or arguments and just listen. Close your mouth and listen.
@layanxoxo9924
@layanxoxo9924 3 жыл бұрын
The amount of uneducated claims in this video is beyond what I can handle. I have recently found your videos and binged them, but finding this is honestly making me sick. There is no way I can support you anymore. It makes me so sad.
@lionsoupp
@lionsoupp 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think that people are saying that being black counts as a "credential" and that unqualified black people should take leadership positions over qualified white people simply because they are black. They are saying that, historically, white people have held positions of power due to their privilege, so it's important to uplift black voices and have qualified black leadership. It almost seems like you purposefully missed the point. Also - wanting black leadership instead of white leadership isn't "racist" towards white people. I honestly didn't think you were the type to believe reverse racism is a thing.
@null6955
@null6955 4 жыл бұрын
i think whats also troubling is that she used peter singer, a flexible vegan, to defend her point. yes the vegan movement can have prominent voices, huge voices, like peter singer because he does a net good for the cause, even if he sometimes isn't vegan. what she misses is the power struggle between white authority and the black community, the silencing of black voices for decades, the lack of black people in powerful, decision-making positions, etc. the idea that a liberation movement should be led by someone who doesn't need liberation is fucking laughable.
@booplesnoot6645
@booplesnoot6645 4 жыл бұрын
She's trying! What the heck!
@fairysoda5612
@fairysoda5612 4 жыл бұрын
@@booplesnoot6645 if she was trying, she would educate herself. in her last video she said extremely rude and ignorant things and didnt even apologize for it. shes not trying.
@sufode
@sufode 4 жыл бұрын
Yes they are!? Are we living in the same world? Did you watch the video where she verbatim read the comments stating that having white leadership in the blm movement would be wrong? REVERSE RACISM???? How about if you discriminate based on race you're racist? Your skin color is not a reflection of your god damn competence and neither is it a reflection of your values. We need to stop understanding statistics as a reflection of individuals.
@emmacalledrosey
@emmacalledrosey 4 жыл бұрын
Racism is systemic and institutionalized. Racism can never be directed toward white people because we inherently benefit off the institution of racism against people of color.
@forestgreen9002
@forestgreen9002 4 жыл бұрын
Unnatural vegan a few videos ago: Tone, and the way you say things matters Also Unnatural vegan: This entire video.
@honeydew1678
@honeydew1678 4 жыл бұрын
Take a listen to these black content creators that explain the content in this video💖 THE OFFICER TATUM, BERNYTREE66, CONSERVATIVE TWINS for another point of view! Amplify these black voices if you believe BLM! you can find them on youtube. sit through at least one video to show your support. ✨
@lauragalloway6040
@lauragalloway6040 4 жыл бұрын
I think the police should stop murdering black people. I think we should rethink the way we do law enforcement in this country. I think I can think these things without doing hours of research and studying... I find this video unhelpful and frustrating. It sucks to feel bullied into speaking up. It sucks not knowing what to say because you’re uncomfortable or uninformed. But never forget: the choice to say silent is a privilege. The choice to compartmentalize and justify that silence with logic or reasons is a privilege. The silent don’t need us to defend them. Their discomfort is a tiny fraction compared to the discomfort of hundreds of years of oppression. Stop sticking up for people who don’t need it. Stop defending people who don’t need a movement.
@danielladner374
@danielladner374 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why people are disappointed, she supports BLM. Not knowing, understanding, or supporting every nuance of a movement is understandable. People have limited bandwidth on all of the issues they can fight for and fully understand.
@mlorpf
@mlorpf 4 жыл бұрын
"Painting people who don't support the BLM as a monolith is frankly racist" - does she hear herself?
@mlorpf
@mlorpf 4 жыл бұрын
How many times does she say "you're being racist against Whites" (paraphrasing of course) in the video? I think it's four....
@jrh6707
@jrh6707 4 жыл бұрын
@@mlorpf what's even sadder is that people literally seem to believe it's impossible to be racist to a white person. You can be racist to any race lol
@Angelickumi
@Angelickumi 4 жыл бұрын
@@jrh6707 That's not how racism works. Anyone can have prejudices. White people don't experience racism. Use Google about why I would say that before you reply with your wrong ass opinion. Thx
@BloodyWiccaG
@BloodyWiccaG 4 жыл бұрын
@@Angelickumi People can be racist to any "race". White included. It's in the name... It's prejudice against a "race"/ethnic group and believing one is superior or inferior to another. I know at least 2 places where white people suffer racism. Also not saying white people suffer as much racism as other ethnic groups just saying it is possible.
@1saramak
@1saramak 4 жыл бұрын
@@BloodyWiccaG I'm going to literally copy/paste something as a response to this comment. I read the below the other day and I felt that it explained it very well. I don't know what the two places on this planet, you're talking about, are - but I believe by large that this applies to western countries. And especially in this context. A black American simply does not have the power to be racist towards a white American. "Taking this definition at its word, then, would suggest that it is possible for a person of any race to experience racism if someone treats them badly for this reason - even white people. But this definition of racism leaves out one crucial element: The power structures that uphold and perpetuate racism. Racism doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It exists within a hierarchical structure with power at its core. Racism only works because one group has power and other groups do not. And it is white people who - historically, and in the West at least - hold the power when it comes to racial divides, thanks to centuries of Eurocentric beliefs and structures that continue to privilege and centre whiteness."
@OMGiSwaggerz
@OMGiSwaggerz 4 жыл бұрын
Who said you have to drop all other activism to speak on it?
@trescafresca14
@trescafresca14 4 жыл бұрын
Humility is a trait you could work on. You seem arrogant and dismissive and disrespectful. You opinions are valid but the delivery is very out of touch. This is a huge issue that affects human lives, your neighbors! Stop laughing joking and talking about animal crossing. Take this seriously and show some respect.
@andersonmlina
@andersonmlina 4 жыл бұрын
ugh. unsubscribed 😔🙄
@null6955
@null6955 4 жыл бұрын
25:18 "experience is no substitute for a phd" is true but i think you're missing the point. you can have biases or blindspots and race and experience definitely comes in to play then. also who is talking about credentials here? people are saying listen to black people when they talk about what police violence has done to their community over people who have not experienced it. that is literally like saying listen to cancer patients when they talk about what cancer did to their body over people who have not had cancer. you're also talking to a group of people who are very, very, very suspicious of authority, with good reason, and your tone is not helping (just like you pointed out in your original video of the girl using blm to push her own agenda).
@PhilosophyLines
@PhilosophyLines 4 жыл бұрын
But for instance in the UK some BLM activists in interviews have complained about black people being killed in the UK every day, which is a huge exaggeration. 13 have died in police custody in the last 10 years, and the police shoot dead about 3 people a year, including all races. So their own reported experience can be way off the mark, by two orders of magnitude.
@null6955
@null6955 4 жыл бұрын
@@PhilosophyLines can you give me a link to this interview? are they saying black people are being killed every day or black people are being killed by police every day? pretty big distinction.
@justcallmeteacup4711
@justcallmeteacup4711 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I resent that she seems to think we can't have both. That we're really so dumb that we'd send some nobody off the side of the street to organize and speak for a movement 🙄
@null6955
@null6955 4 жыл бұрын
@@justcallmeteacup4711 hey you need a phd to lead a liberation movement everyone knows that 🙄 seriously tho the bad takes in this video really are something else.
@chelsealiddypivtorak9282
@chelsealiddypivtorak9282 4 жыл бұрын
You're coming across as ignorant and insensitive, which is especially emphasized by the fact that you ended this video talking about animal crossing. Maybe take your own advice and not talk about BLM anymore - you're definitely not obligated to, especially if you're going to spout off on issues you don't know about. Take some time to listen to Black voices. I agree with other commenters that you're going to look back on these two vids and cringe. Edit to say that I generally enjoy your content and I appreciate that you question things and form your own opinions, but these two videos are really making me reconsider watching this channel.
@chelsealiddypivtorak9282
@chelsealiddypivtorak9282 4 жыл бұрын
One more thing: You're criticizing people for being "extremists" for using words like "violence" and "racism," while casually calling a whole bunch of commenters racist. Hmmm... yeah I gotta unsub.
@nordette
@nordette 4 жыл бұрын
I as well will no longer be supporting her videos. This was disturbing and eye opening. Thank you for being an ally people like you are very important to the cause.
@MattbyNature
@MattbyNature 4 жыл бұрын
I just came back to the video to look at the comments again. I used to love her content and would just binge watch older videos while doing housework or meal prep. I could kinda ignore her take on intersectionality (those videos have been removed now) but this went too far. Watching her leaves a really bitter taste in my mouth now
@anapanda7111
@anapanda7111 4 жыл бұрын
This is extremely disappointing. I’ve watched your channel and supported you for years because you’ve always been extremely well researched and rational, and I really don’t see why that all stops now. You clearly know very little about this issue and you clearly have not tried to learn more. You can and should care about more than one thing at a time and there is no excuse not to, even if you’ve released 2 30 minute videos excusing your actions with no research or education to back it up. I will be pulling back my support because this is honestly ridiculous and you are not the person i thought you were
@randomusername1895
@randomusername1895 4 жыл бұрын
Hadn't watched her in while and thought I'd catch up. The white privilege is astounding and she's condescending as hell to BIPOC 🙄 soooooooo disappointing
@stay1ify
@stay1ify 4 жыл бұрын
Gosh, you’re totally missing the entire point and truly taking too much personally. It’s simply not about you. That’s all. The point is you can’t center your whiteness in this movement. That’s all. No one would begin to try to silence you. Geez.
@megamorpher1
@megamorpher1 4 жыл бұрын
but isn't that what this video is about? it's not her place to advocate for bml because she is neither black nor an expert on the issue. so she doesn't want to talk about it publicly on her job. the 30 minutes of her talking might have confused many viewers as to what exactly her point is but this originated because people pressured her to talk about things she didn't feel comfortable talking about... which is exactly what you critizice her for
@AllPeopleUnite
@AllPeopleUnite 4 жыл бұрын
My first video that I saw and that got me subscribed was last year when UV went through that "anyone can be vegan" video (the title of UV video was "This is What Vegan Privelege Looks Like") and showed such an emapthy and understanding toward the effects of poverty, exclusion and the blinders that class privelege can create. It was such a great video. This is like the opposite.
@LR11306
@LR11306 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed!! I loved that vid. Why isn't she creating bomb content like that but about white privilege Etc? I couldn't finish her first blm video and I can't finish this one either. It's making me consider unsubscribing. I want to see if she actually listens to her subscribers....or continues to be defensive
@leviathanesque
@leviathanesque 4 жыл бұрын
Lydia R i would love to see her talk about racism in the vegan community online, how black creators are often overlooked, etc, but no. we got this mess instead.
@AllPeopleUnite
@AllPeopleUnite 4 жыл бұрын
@@leviathanesque Exactly!
@poorsarah
@poorsarah 4 жыл бұрын
How can you not see what that person was saying about black space. You forgot to highlight the part where they said “we never said it’s off limits to white people” you know it’s important for white people to speak up. Black space is about creating space for the people who are experiencing the oppression. They who have traditionally not had the chance to speak about it and be heard. They need to be given power to make the changes that need to happen. Those who already have power need to use it to support the unheard. Black space is about making room not replacing. Your interpretation of that comment is just really infuriating. You clearly have a huge blind spot when it comes to this issue.
@mlorpf
@mlorpf 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for elaborating on what she was missing, I actually failed to read the parts that she hadn't highlighted. All the times she says "parrot" or "without questioning" sounds like a bad faith reading of "trust that black people know more about racism because they're the ones affected by it". And the reverse racism crap was just... Ugh.
@ReeshaDovahSil
@ReeshaDovahSil 4 жыл бұрын
I am terribly disappointed in you. As a person who did such a good job learning how wrong you were about the benefits of a raw food diet, I don't understand why you cannot and will not apply the same sense of personal humility to another subject that you either truly do not understand or are willfully twisting to support your already-formed opinions. It might not be today, and it might not be tomorrow, but if you are the good person I would like to believe you are, some day, you will look back on both of these videos, and you will cringe just as hard. I have watched through both of the videos in full before commenting. So please do not hide behind the excuse that I didn't watch your videos or listen to what you said, as you have done for so many other viewers calling you out for hurtful comments. You continue to indicate in your counter-arguments that you are right and anyone who disagrees with anything you have said either didn't watch, didn't listen, didn't pay attention, is under-informed, or is somehow racist against white people. Let's put aside the fact that white people cannot suffer from racism because their skin colour is not used as an excuse to oppress them by those who are members of the powerful majority (which is white people). The aggregate of your assertions is childish. You are being childish, stubborn, selfish, and willfully ignorant. You've misrepresented the concerns of your viewers, you've insulted us, and you've chastised us for being uninformed -- all while you yourself seem to be hearing for the first time about important subjects related to this cause from the very comments you're reading. This makes you also hypocritical, and as you're using straw man arguments to support your hypocrisy, you're also being intentionally fallacious. If all you were saying was "we shouldn't bully people if we don't personally see them speak out about a particular issue," you wouldn't have so many thought-provoking, detailed, explanatory comments from disappointed and inflamed long-time viewers who are desperate for you to see what you've done, and continued to do, wrong. You have also said that it's fine for white people to talk over Black people so long as the white person is an "expert" who somehow "knows better" than Black people what Black people need. You have also said that the need for Black spaces is awful and racist. You have also said that people who disagree with you and point out that Black voices should be lifted up and amplified by white people, in order to help address the built-in inequity that automatically suppresses those voices, are somehow racist. You haven't only advocated for a reduction in bullying - which could have easily been a video about cancel culture and the wild assumptions it sometimes makes - you have used the cause of BLM to insensitively and ignorantly attack and hurt your viewers who support the fight for the removal of the systemic barriers to equity. I am ashamed. I've always thought you were much more mature than this.
@EvangelineWhitney
@EvangelineWhitney 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this needed to be said.
@takocos
@takocos 4 жыл бұрын
It's buckwild to me, that she can call Freelee out for doing this, but can't see it in herself. Criticism is not bullying, it is not because people are too emotional, it is not a misunderstanding. This is actual constructive criticism for her.
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
Bumping in hopes she reads this
@agatajabonska8560
@agatajabonska8560 4 жыл бұрын
White people can't be discriminated against? What are you talking about? If an Asian guy punches a white guy only because he hates white people, what is it, if not racism against a white person?
@3xsxs953
@3xsxs953 4 жыл бұрын
Your heartfelt comment really highlights just how much she's hurting her (especially black) viewers with these two videos. It's all just so, so sad and disappointing.
@ashley-bd5ik
@ashley-bd5ik 4 жыл бұрын
Are you seriously talking about animal crossing after such a serious issue? so incredibly tone deaf.
@fluorite1627
@fluorite1627 4 жыл бұрын
I thought so too
@olivia4394
@olivia4394 4 жыл бұрын
Does she not usually do this same thing after other serious videos?
@imadetheurllonger
@imadetheurllonger 4 жыл бұрын
I think the main irony is this: You say that you want to focus on only veganism because it provides your viewers with carefully researched and well-thought-out content. Great, wonderful, love it, why I'm subscribed. The issue is that you feel like you can flippantly make TWO 30 minute videos where you talk about BLM and race politics and simultaneously acting like you know what you're talking about while also admitting you don't know much about it at all. The fact that you can say "I'll just make a 30 minute video about BLM and race politics" and not do the research that you so desperately needed to do honestly speaks volumes. I had an entire written reaction to the whole video but I think this is all I really need to say. I'll be withdrawing Patreon support because I honestly feel just sick with how uninformed you're comfortable with being. I hope you change your mind. I am still here for the vegan videos though. I started watching you fully intending to never stop eating meat, and I now intend to go vegan. I'm grateful that I was here to hear your criticisms of other vegans, the meat industry, and the harm and cruelty occurring every single day which we vote for whenever we buy meat and animal products. But man, if advocating for single issue advocacy makes a person say things like you've said...that's not a good case for single issue advocacy. Edit: Someone asked to provide some resources to learn more, and I think this should go in the body of my comment since I got a lot of thumbs up on this comment. We Were Eight Years in Power by Ta-Nehisi Coates How to be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge Any essay by James Baldwin Anything by bell hooks (she's good to read especially if you have trouble understanding why "reverse racism" isn't a thing.)
@elianab5549
@elianab5549 4 жыл бұрын
YES so well said. honestly disappointing
@kaylayontef5850
@kaylayontef5850 4 жыл бұрын
Okay but like, can you give us some of those resources so we can get the information shes missing? Like some examples? Because honestly, shes gotten me way more on to the BLM movement with these two vidoes than a lot of other things I've seen.
@familia.liliaceae
@familia.liliaceae 4 жыл бұрын
It really seems like she has a double standard when it comes to how much research she’s willing to do for this topic v. literally all her other videos on veganism lmao
@danielliu9616
@danielliu9616 4 жыл бұрын
You guys are dragged into a horrible BLM cult, please wake up!!!
@phoenixpetterson825
@phoenixpetterson825 4 жыл бұрын
“Jack of all trades, master of none” left out the “but better than a master of one”
@FloorKitty1016
@FloorKitty1016 4 жыл бұрын
Swayze, I really like your content on veganism. All the careful research and well thought out discussions on veganism and related issues is what made you my favorite vegan KZfaqr. However, I am beyond disappointed with your last two videos on BLM. For someone who normally conducts such careful research, you've refused to educate yourself further on systemic racism and white privilege even when begged to do so by your audience. Instead you dig your heels in and continue to reiterate your previous points while admitting you know very little on the topic you're speaking about. It's not about your original, main point (which btw I partly agree, people shouldn't be bullied into showing their support for BLM on social media, but at a time like this, they should feel COMPELLED to at least make a quick note about it on their platform if they have one and learn more about the issues on a personal level-- it's important that white people acknowledge their unintentional, inevitable role in the oppression of POC and take action against it. EVERYONE should MAKE time to do these things, not just non-activist people who "have the time"). What I'm most upset about is your refusal to educate yourself when called out for ignorant claims and a clear lack of understanding about these issues. Your videos on veganism are great, but I feel saddened, frustrated, and disappointed by your recent videos, particularly your refusal to educate yourself. By refusing to educate yourself on how you, as a white person, harm the black community by holding the beliefs and stances you've expressed in your videos, you are absolutely a part of the problem, despite how well intentioned you might be. I don't believe in cancel culture, but I'm so upset and conflicted about supporting your content right now. I'm no longer a patron or a subscriber. I'd love to see you come back with a fresh take on these videos after having done some more research. Please, educate yourself. Do better.
@3xsxs953
@3xsxs953 4 жыл бұрын
"Are you saying all white people are against equal rights for everyone" - No, Swayze, that's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that black people who have lived experiences BEING black (something white people will never have) know more about the struggles of black life under white supremacy than white people do, and should be the ones leading the effort for black liberation. ALL white people (yes - ALL) benefit from white supremacy - even the well-meaning, educated, and "woke" white folks. Just like all animal farmers benefit from maintaining their livestock - no matter how sympathetic they may be, no matter how much they window dress the slaughtering of animals with marketing terms like 'humanely raised," etc. - they benefit from the system being maintained, they benefit from empty incrementalism, and thus should NOT be leading the movement to end animal farming. Radical change almost only ever comes from the outside. Expecting a deeply-rooted and established system like the prison industrial complex, for example, which literally profits off the labor of imprisoned black bodies, to suddenly stop one day and go "oh, actually, you're right! We're so sorry, we'll stop disproportionately arresting black men for small crimes and marijuana possession and release all non-violent offenders now!"... is comically unrealistic. So yes, white people can and should be allies to the black liberation movement, they should seek the educate themselves, but they should be taking their cues from the black community, and listening to their needs. I don't understand how that is even remotely controversial and the fact that you don't see it is seriously worrying.
@samanthab6642
@samanthab6642 4 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of black perspectives on this that the media ignores. You can seek them out and easily find them but most people nowadays unfortunately are unwilling to do so and get defensive.
@ConverseLove1000
@ConverseLove1000 4 жыл бұрын
This is a perfect summary. How she cannot understand this is so troubling.
@MistedForest
@MistedForest 4 жыл бұрын
This is well said. I think she thought that if you are non black then you can't be in BLM in a leadership position. For example if there was a team of 10 people leading a BLM campaign, 8 were Black and two were not would this be a problem? What if the 2 of the 10 had connections and expertise to support the other 8 to make the movement do well. The civil rights movement had many white and non black people in leadership roles. They may have not been the face of the movement as we know Martian Luther King Jr was one of the main faces. I think that BLM or any other movement that talks about the marginalization and safety of human beings based off of race, or nationality should have someone from that race or nationality leading the movement. And that when people who are not inherently effected by it or have privilege can be of immense help then the people of that movement can choose if their experience/expertise would elevate their movement. So long point is 80/20 rule.
@mylifeisaparty
@mylifeisaparty 4 жыл бұрын
“We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.” -MLK
@KiraldoTheGreat
@KiraldoTheGreat 4 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏
@S1mPLiimAR1a
@S1mPLiimAR1a 4 жыл бұрын
Dueces.
@julesposada
@julesposada 4 жыл бұрын
You can tell this isn’t an apology video by the sheer number of midroll ads in it lol
@VictoriaWiggins
@VictoriaWiggins 4 жыл бұрын
Unsubscribing from you, despite what others are saying, actually isn’t hard. It is not hard for me to unsubscribe from someone who is so insensitive to the issue at hand. You brought so much positivity into my life, thanks for that. Glad you showed your true colors.
@leedevee
@leedevee 2 жыл бұрын
‘True colors’, haha, wow. Reducing someone’s pretty well voiced opinion to ‘you’re a bad person’.
@CarnismDebunked
@CarnismDebunked Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you may have had an emotional reaction and got swept up in the 2020 manufactured media hysteria.
@gladis2646
@gladis2646 4 жыл бұрын
I am amazed of how condescending and tone deaf you’re being in this video. The only thing saving this mess is the number of comments with valid, researched and informed take of the many many ways black lives don’t matter in western countries. US in particular. This video further show that you’re not interested in listening or learning from black voices. No points in keeping this conversation going.
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