unpacking every taylor swift conspiracy theory

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2 ай бұрын

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@michelle7002 2 ай бұрын

girlie i need you to do a deep dive into the weird ass conspiracy theories about princess kate rn…it’s getting weird and i think you’d love it!!

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

OMG yes

@morgantaylor517 2 ай бұрын

Poor Princess Catherine. She's fine, not being held hostage. We don't need proof of life, getting livid about how she's getting treated.

@yan5200 2 ай бұрын

@@morgantaylor517the only thing that is gonna come out fine is dat asss😂

@xfreja 2 ай бұрын

bruh she’s fine

@molly-katebritton9414 2 ай бұрын

We need to leave it alone. We k ow what's happening and the Palace have been very open about it. She's had a botched BBL and she's taking photoshop classes until she can wear jeans again.

@lthecatt9667 2 ай бұрын

It says a lot that over 20% is just a disclaimer not offending the Swifties. A certain part of the fanbase is WILD

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

protect me from the swifties

@sammanthaafreyy 2 ай бұрын

theres a large section of the swifties that are so ungodly unhinged they need therapy😂

@Dani-vu7em 2 ай бұрын

I basically said the same thing 😂 like love her music, afraid to be associated with lots of her fanbase lol

@walkingtheline1729 2 ай бұрын

Dude im a swiftie and there is part of the fan base that i absolutely hate

@ramalam98 2 ай бұрын

I came here to leave this exact comment lmao

@starkkissed 2 ай бұрын

you should do a swiftie iceberg like, from casual enjoyers to genuine fans to the most batshit insane people who deserve their internet access revoked

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

omg yes

@dakotalee6990 2 ай бұрын

As a Swiftie, 100% yes! Some of these people aren’t just unhinged, I don’t think they ever had hinges.

@xoxogossipgoat21 2 ай бұрын

@@dakotalee6990 wow hingeless - an interesting development

@passivelyobsessive5460 2 ай бұрын

based on the intro/disclaimer involved in this video alone, ehhhhhh...... 😬

@thevioletpsych 2 ай бұрын

yes!! i consider myself a swiftie but every time i tell someone that it has to come with a disclaimer like “not THAT kind of swiftie”

@mono9451 2 ай бұрын

taylor's better than me because if i were her i would contribute to the wildest rumors just for the giggles

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

oh same i would be like "i absolutely travel everywhere in a box why do you ask?"

@Izzywildflowerr 2 ай бұрын

i’m choosing to believe she has an anonymous reddit and tiktok and just adds to it

@molly-katebritton9414 2 ай бұрын

@@uncarleyI mean if people thought I was dating dianna agron I would do everything I could to keep that going

@tinymxnticore 2 ай бұрын

Do you honestly think she doesn’t though?

@MarthaRose92 2 ай бұрын

Right? I’d tweet Harry and be like “the cops are asking questions. They’re closing in on us.”

@zunairaaffan3964 2 ай бұрын

the absolute fear carley has of swifties is so hilarious like she looks genuinely scared

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

oh i truly fear them

@Cinema_Treats 2 ай бұрын

I’m mean some Swifties do literally Doxx and stalk people so they’re genuinely scary

@ClairaGavins-dx4ji 2 ай бұрын

@@Cinema_Treatsdoxing is not exclusive to swifties 😂 I feel like every fandom has crazies like that

@Aleee89 2 ай бұрын

@@ClairaGavins-dx4ji yeah but Swifties are a much much larger fandom than any other, so statiscally we have more unhinged weirdos than other fandoms

@starkkissed 2 ай бұрын

carley accidentally calling the new album 'tortured poets society' is so real

@niya8484 2 ай бұрын

so many people have been doing that 😭 at this point that’s the album name

@aashu1512 2 ай бұрын

I keep calling it dead poet's society 😂😂😂

@kaylamatters 2 ай бұрын

…is that not the name

@sophie427 2 ай бұрын

@@kaylamatters… WAIT YEAH ISNT THAT THE NAME ???

@starkkissed 2 ай бұрын

@@kaylamatters it’s the tortured poets department but i just call it tortured poets because i literally can’t get it into my head😭

@user-vt1wt9cu7e 2 ай бұрын

you’re so brave for starting beef with Swifties RIGHT AFTER dropping your exact location and time you’ll be there

@clobeeb 2 ай бұрын

Don’t say this omg I think you’ll actually scare her 😭😭

@slushiefromzolar 2 ай бұрын

anytime someone mentions the marauders fandom outside of ao3 or tumblr I have a mini heart attack

@xxleah_haydenxx 2 ай бұрын

ME TOO OML, I SLOWLY LOOKED MY SIRIUS WANTED POSTER DEAD IN THE EYE

@nontoxicpaint 2 ай бұрын

I NEED ONE, I AM SO FERAL FOR THEM FR@@xxleah_haydenxx

@gracetaylor4236 2 ай бұрын

so real

@mistycreek4584 Ай бұрын

A classmate brought it up last week and said we were insane and not in a good way and I just looked at my marauders bookmarks folder and said norhing

@olivia.3232 2 ай бұрын

my fav theory is she gets around in a box bc it’s both sooo absurd and believable

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

RIGHT i lowkey believe it

@bimbalazim 2 ай бұрын

@@uncarleyZayn from 1D actually confirmed that rumor!

@zomgmolly 2 ай бұрын

No she actually does get in a suitcase to enter/exit buildings (esp her houses) lmao

@lauraa2527 2 ай бұрын

@@uncarley For the Eras Tour, she arrives behind stage hidden inside a fake cleaning cart. So it wouldn't be the first time she's done something like that.

@wxrriorr 2 ай бұрын

@@bimbalazimno way really?

@poeticcinema5857 2 ай бұрын

My favorite quote from a Taylor swift post is “you’re still gay and that’s FINAL”

@Lavender_rain7 2 ай бұрын

You must be oomf cause that tweet was just💀💀💀

@annsofancy 2 ай бұрын

omg it was so bad😭

@maiianthe3280 2 ай бұрын

what djdjsjs ? /gen djdjsjsjs

@swara4704 2 ай бұрын

or the 'wait til lover drops we cant afford to lose sales'

@writteninthestars02 2 ай бұрын

I'm like 99% sure that account is a gaylor set-up account because I refuse to believe anybody can be that insane lol

@Talia778 2 ай бұрын

Carley’s disclaimers are so funny. She’s always so nervous.

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

always

@wolf-gh2dz 2 ай бұрын

"i'd rather offend a militia than the swifties" as if they aren't the same thing

@angieng6091 2 ай бұрын

me when studying: i sleep me when carley uploads: i wake

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

yesss

@tarekbouwmeester 2 ай бұрын

I once heard that taylor has webbed feet, they grew together becaude her parents wouldnt let her spread her toes until she was sixteen.

@lunalunaic4680 2 ай бұрын

i believe it

@LanaJulie33 2 ай бұрын

I'm howling 💀💀💀

@elenabe4718 2 ай бұрын

what 💀💀💀

@lemony3719 2 ай бұрын

That's so weird! I heard the same thing somewhere...

@ingrydjorgensen8110 2 ай бұрын

It’s true, I saw a picture on 4chan

@milaces1323 2 ай бұрын

You could actually do a six part series just on Taylor lore honestly, but the conspiracies is a good start. I'm seated for the lecture ma'am 😂

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

so true

@parandrius773 2 ай бұрын

never forgetting uncarley's 1hr video about taylor's relationships and she wasnt even giving too many details lmao

@ChantalOderSo 2 ай бұрын

Video starts at 7:33 before that she's just putting out disclaimers to make sure swifties don't sent swat teams her way

@katieveggie11 2 ай бұрын

webbed feet is so good because she can never prove it wrong without letting the dogs out for free

@xxleah_haydenxx 2 ай бұрын

she has got the dogs out for free plenty of times already, thats what makes the webbed feet joke even funnier 😭😭😭

@iwouldgiveyouthemoon_ 2 ай бұрын

didn’t she do just that in the anti hero video ? 😭

@anita-ji4xb 2 ай бұрын

she had her feet out on the cd of her debut album 😭😭😭

@openquin1 2 ай бұрын

Shake it off

@seruhhhhhh 2 ай бұрын

babe wake up uncarley posted another niche video

@user-iv9vj9yp7r 2 ай бұрын

*mainstream

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

WAKE UP

@ames_elaine 2 ай бұрын

i don't live in toronto but these watch-a-longs make we wanna relocate

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

DO IT

@graceelizabeth130 2 ай бұрын

@uncarley im in england and im like hmmm i could make that journey

@MauraVH 2 ай бұрын

Same when they did the one with Twilight I was looking up if I could plan a trip to Canada just to do that ':D

@missaturn6494 2 ай бұрын

6 minutes of disclaimer and "don't kill me", proceeds to just tell me, a swiftie, the funniest shit about Taylor Swift lore and memes that I love. And I'm with you, she was in that suitcase, I will believe it forever. She's taking rides in fake janitor carts for The Eras Tour and the football games, it all started in that suitcase.

@sheikad0w 2 ай бұрын

i forgot about the All the Young Dudes conspiracy, it actually punched a nasty laugh out of me - also, i cannot express just how excited i am for that marauders video, bc that fandom has an embarrassing chokehold on me

@RandomlyAchievedBrilliance 2 ай бұрын

yesss😂

@lea2767 2 ай бұрын

one of my favorite taylor related conspiracy theories is that lorde and jack antonoff had an affair and that’s why her and lorde aren’t close anymore

@amandakopecky662 2 ай бұрын

@uncarley pleeeeaaaaase do that one! The PowerPoint is even done for you 💀

@hanpear 2 ай бұрын

oh my god no way lol

@writteninthestars02 2 ай бұрын

what lmfao I've never heard this

@mhmhmbmltfapomtydt 2 ай бұрын

@@amandakopecky662 can u link the ppt here omg i want to read it but can’t find it

@fynnsternis6432 2 ай бұрын

oh i'm dumb i thought the harry styles snowmobile thing was still part of gaylor and was waiting for the reveal how mr styles committing vehicular manslaughter was proof that taylor swift is gay 😭

@Chronicallywitty 2 ай бұрын

This could be true, next theory everyone need to push 😂

@janekatevandyke4355 2 ай бұрын

gimmie ten bucks at 20 minutes, i could make the connection

@MarbleSodaPop Ай бұрын

I made a connection of how those theories could be part of each other Okay, so if Taylor Swift is gay, then her relationship with Harry Styles was fake, likely to cover up the fact that he committed manslaughter. And if the cover story is a very early "date" that would prove that it started for the cover-up. Another big part of the Gaylor theory is that she is revealing it through her music, so part of that would be revealing that her relationship with Harry was fake and showing that it was only to cover up the fact he accidentally killed people. That's how Harry Styles committing vehicular manslaughter would prove Taylor Swift is gay, which is not something I thought I would ever write, especially since I don't listen to Taylor Swift lol

@liana7010 2 ай бұрын

thank you for spoon-feeding us another tswizzle brain rot video, bestie!! also so excited for the marauders one

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

always

@walkerthurman4437 2 ай бұрын

“We cannot argue she’s not writing songs that are. Period.” So true bestie

@TarannosaurousRex 2 ай бұрын

I had never heard of the "Taylor Swift wrote All The Young Dudes" conspiracy and that's so absolutely insane its hilarious, i'm on board!

@jazzbina 2 ай бұрын

being so early to a breakdown of taylor swift conspiracy theories is the most swiftie thing my non-swiftie ass did

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

so true

@8Forester 2 ай бұрын

This little pig is humbly grateful for today’s offerings, thank you!

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

anytime bestie!!

@nikkik291 2 ай бұрын

I never wanted to be a MissKingBean(19)89 truther but then she goes and has a bonus track called The Black Dog

@M_edits_3 7 күн бұрын

😭

@bugwaterbuffy 2 ай бұрын

if someone started a rumour i was dating dianna agron i would also not EVER correct that rumour.

@_bebeboudeur_ 2 ай бұрын

i will say we're secretly married

@El1society 2 ай бұрын

right??

@witchywoman2008 2 ай бұрын

The Wolfstar thing is so funny because I can relate half of Taylor’s discography to my favourite ships and I don’t think that makes her part of my obscure cartoon fandoms from the early 2000s

@BlueOnMars 2 ай бұрын

ACTUALLY PEEING MY PANTS CARLEY TALKING ABOUT MARAUDERS PLEASE MY FAV THINGS ARE COLLIDING

@blahblahhh78 2 ай бұрын

these videos keep getting more and more niche and i love it

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

hahaha thank you

@liana7010 2 ай бұрын

and our parasocial relationship strengthens!! hope you're doing good, bestie

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

yesss

@camipco 2 ай бұрын

4chan is explained best by "you know how sometimes on websites people in the comments are awful? well, a site that is just that."

@fairlyjamie644 2 ай бұрын

That photo of Taylor and Karlie haunts me

@silentpartner9957 2 ай бұрын

I was laughing at myself for knowing all of these because wow my brain has been fully rotted by this woman and then I got slapped upside the head with "Taylor Swift is the author of this massive fanfiction that defines a massive online fandom" like thank you so much for ruining me even further lmao

@TheMakeupChair 2 ай бұрын

This is what I needed today!! 🙌 next time I’m in Toronto I really hope I can catch one of your live gigs! 🤞 love from Ireland 🇮🇪

@x-gate-gate-gate 2 ай бұрын

I weirdly have noticed your comments on other channels I watch so... good taste lady 😉

@TheChristianna321 2 ай бұрын

The traveling in a box thing is the most realistic one to me. I think it's been confirmed that she travels to stage at the eras tour in a Janitor's cart, so this doesn't feel like a stretch. It is a very small box though.

@isobelmason9505 2 ай бұрын

carley calling me a piggy when im sat eating watching

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

oh noooo

@isobelmason9505 2 ай бұрын

@@uncarley yesss girl feed me the slop !!

@pinkyhc4130 2 ай бұрын

The Taylore runs deep.

@akabunny 2 ай бұрын

these conspiracies sound like they’re pulled straight from Evelyn Hugo

@frankensteinfan 2 ай бұрын

omg im so excited for ur marauders video 😊😁😁

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

sooon!

@pietrofacchi3325 2 ай бұрын

"tethering on the edge of mental collapse" really does not sound like the prime/ideal state of mind to dive into taylor's lore if you ask me but this makes this whole video quite admirable really

@littlemissneverseen 2 ай бұрын

I think just enjoying her music and being a fan of hers is enough to call yourself a swiftie

@littlemissneverseen 2 ай бұрын

Also, ME! came out on Lesbian Visibility Day so that’s that.

@honorhonor4458 2 ай бұрын

immediately woke up from a dead sleep because i sensed the queen had returned. praise be

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

omg psychic

@honorhonor4458 2 ай бұрын

@@uncarleynvm. got to the part of the video where u mentioned all the young dudes and i had a that's so raven style trauma flash

@lozpyle 2 ай бұрын

when you said finnick odair i heard finna go dare and i think that confirms my brain has melted

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

rip ur brain

@spacedoutsprout 2 ай бұрын

I am not a swifty but as a former lesbian, I heard "Betty" after my swiftie ex mentioned it & was shocked to find out it wasn't about a woman she once loved.... WHAT was that, Taylor?

@jaz_luo_studio 2 ай бұрын

Re-watched The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes on my flight, hopped off the plane, came home, logged onto KZfaq, and get greeted with an ad that you're hosting a Catching Fire watch-a-long. Poetic.

@ViktorMiranda1 2 ай бұрын

So good to have you back! Glad you were able to recover and hope you know you got a bunch of people who are here for you! Truly appreciate what you do.

@elitettelbach4247 2 ай бұрын

Welcome back! Your videos are always so fun! Also omg the watch-alongs sound amazing.

@charlottemay7256 2 ай бұрын

FINALLY I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A MARAUDERS VIDEO ESSAY!!! i'm not in the fadom at all but i've always been so fascinated by the fact that so many people just collectively agreed on this lore and started a whole fandom for it. like how did this happen.

@mistycreek4584 Ай бұрын

I wasn’t there when it started, but when I joined it was basically two rules. Fvck JKR and AtYD is our canon. Marauders are some of the best people I’ve met online at this point, and I’ve met some of my closest friends from it

@weknowtheend_ 2 ай бұрын

oh i’m so sat for this, thank you diva🙏🏻

@saige2975 2 ай бұрын

when i was younger like 12 i genuinely believed she didn’t have a belly button😭😭 i feel like 12 is old enough to not have fallen for that?? but i did 😭😭😭😭

@Lukkilikka 2 ай бұрын

The 4chan one I kinda believe just because it feels like it'd be such a relief for someone like Taylor to enjoy that kinda anonymity oocassionally

@lissahartvigsen3851 2 ай бұрын

Literally love when Carley posts 💗 genuinely so entertaining

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

omg thank you!

@MicheleKlinger 2 ай бұрын

This video was pure gold! When I first read about the Taylor Swift/government conspiracy theory where they rigged the Super Bowl….I laughed and sighed at the same time and I’m never going to feel that way about anything ever again

@moth3934 2 ай бұрын

I can’t wait for the marauders video, I’m hyped

@staceywells159 2 ай бұрын

You uploading has made my day!! Thank uuuuu

@zaviee4662 2 ай бұрын

Hey carley you’re doing so well!! Please give your hippocampus a hug

@maryyoder1421 2 ай бұрын

AAAAUYGHHHH SO EXCITED FOR YOUR MAURADERS VID!!! That fandom is sooo fascinating

@Mickeyking.16 2 ай бұрын

Carly please don’t ever stop making these videos I need them so survive 😭😭😭😭

@ellanenalive 2 ай бұрын

i am literally in love with this video. the swiftie and marauders stan in me DIED. youre a literal queen

@Katie-vz3mq 2 ай бұрын

Carley I can’t tell you how much I needed this today

@girly.pop7 2 ай бұрын

it’s like you knew exactly what i needed rn

@isabellefreitag_ 2 ай бұрын

hope you're fully recovered and well, bestie! wish you all the best 💜

@johjohxoxo 2 ай бұрын

Just what i needed. Thank you 😭😭 this is gonna boost my vibe UP. Thank you thank you for your vids

@lilitbeglarian7942 2 ай бұрын

once again, these videos are the only thing keeping me sane rn. thank you for your sacrifice

@herrengelsful 2 ай бұрын

you have no idea how much i genuinely love your videos. your humour is everything.

@rohemgiovanna 2 ай бұрын

Saw the video the second you posted it, amazing as always! But now, 6 days after I was studying and listening to fleetwood mac and thought I would love to see a video of you covering the drama between stevie nicks and lindsey, I think you would serve as always, like the other pop culture videos you did! Big hug from Brazil!🇧🇷

@francessmith2934 2 ай бұрын

Nice way to start my morning!

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

good morning

@wallismcmillin8044 2 ай бұрын

your reaction when trying to explain wolfstar is so real i absolutely loved this.

@dangomilk6702 2 ай бұрын

I haven't finished the video yet but I can't get over how good your hair looks right now !

@amymargaretttt 2 ай бұрын

thank you for this service.

@dutchgrrl 2 ай бұрын

Carley, my sis and I just LOVE your vid's not just because of the content, but because of you. You make us laugh so much and we have integrated some of your lines into our own conversations🤣

@shovalgilead3802 2 ай бұрын

girl i cant tell you how much i needed this chill video today

@cormack4708 2 ай бұрын

Just bought tickets to the watch along for me and my bestie. SO PUMPED!! Also the stars really aligned perfectly for this one because I live in Germany and just happen to be visiting Toronto that weekend 🤯

@liliamendes4715 2 ай бұрын

These videos are my happy place pls don’t stop posting 😭😭

@london2753 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for blessing me with your voice as I work on finals, 10/10 vibes

@marinadellorco6324 2 ай бұрын

Yaaaas. My much needed dose of pop culture ❤ love these videos!

@dianelabatista2235 2 ай бұрын

Ive been a TS girlie since fearless, with that being said i love u for this video, thank u for ur service Carley 🫡

@moonlightcarrot14 2 ай бұрын

your videos make me so happy!! i think yt hates you because i dont get your new videos in my yt feed ever even tho i am subscribed and have the notifs on 😔

@hanpear 2 ай бұрын

I tuned out for a second and suddenly you were talking about marauders fanfic, amazing

@luciacall2337 2 ай бұрын

Carly plz plz PLEASE do a unpack the Fleetwood Mac drama in a vid sometime 😭 it would be pure chaos and so entertaining. (Ily and the pod btw ❤)

@allieyang9447 2 ай бұрын

girlboss has uploaded this is the best day

@uncarley 2 ай бұрын

yess

@emmaditzy 2 ай бұрын

I LIVE for your videos. It's nice to know someone is also as obsessed with deep dive research into pointless topics at 3am as me. Also PowerPoint ftw. Can I just say how much I relate to you. I loved your intro, because your satire is just fucking brilliant. P.S. also same; Having a good week this week though, determined to.

@sejhammer 2 ай бұрын

how do your eyebrows always look so perfect!!

@erinnorris 2 ай бұрын

omg so thrilled to hear the marauders video is coming

@hayleethompson7082 2 ай бұрын

obsessed with you omg

@beckthewreck6488 2 ай бұрын

gaylor is only a theory bc there is TRUELY nothing scarier or more real than that reaaaaaaally close 👀"best friend" a girlie has in highschool when shes figuring out how queer she is. and then the bestie says "no i didnt even see you like that" and ur crushed for decades after

@JamesLawner 2 ай бұрын

Gaylor deserves its own rabbit hole deepdive, because there’s even a google doc/slideshow presentation that explains everything, like how Taylor had an apartment in NYC for Karlie Kloss and that it was stocked with Karlie’s fave snacks. (Full disclosure: I’m not a Gaylor believer, but there’s some sus “evidence” that’s kinda peculiar). Also, I have my own crackpot theory that Taylor Swift is secretly a Marvel fan, or just a comics fan in general, because her songs sometime have references to comic book characters (She even has a song that’s all about Superman!). She wore Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool costume for Halloween one year, she was heavily rumored to play Dazzler in an X-Men movie, and she followed (or still follows?) Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen on Twitter!

@nooooooraq4479 2 ай бұрын

the Taylor conspiracies that I both love and loathe are that people keep saying she wrote books, like the nonfiction that ended up being a BTS book, the whole Argylle thing, and now a poetry book written by “t.a. swift” I agree with the capitalism point Carley made, if she wrote a book we’d know!

@marianahughel3025 2 ай бұрын

Missed u girl! 🫶🏼💗😃

@rebeccal7927 2 ай бұрын

I hate people who laugh at taylor swift for "obviously being a straight woman" because how the heck would we know that from the little info we have about her personal life?? Can we not just take the music she makes and read it the way it means the most to us and not speculate?

@hectorrobertocontrerasmiranda 2 ай бұрын

As a thank you for your service this time I'm also praying for your mentions. One never knows how they will take it

@erotiszm 2 ай бұрын

taylor swift is one of the most aggressively heterosexual women I have ever seen in my entire life

@Cinema_Treats 2 ай бұрын

This is so real “Gaylor” is so wild that is a straight white woman if I’ve ever seen one

@candacetirado2514 2 ай бұрын

Painfully heterosexual

@MadelineWrites 2 ай бұрын

I know I don't get this vibe at ALL. And i'm saying this as a femme lesbian, so it's not because she presents in a traditionally feminine way. It's just...vibes. You can tell. I am baffled that anybody would think she's queer.

@winterviveca5976 2 ай бұрын

she gives me strong romantic asexual vibes but I feel gross speculating about something that is so not my business, yet I feel the need to finally get this off my chest

@th-bx6bq 2 ай бұрын

as a mini gaylor, it's def possible she is super straight and the rumours are complete fantasy, but you have to admit that the image/opinion we have of her is completely fabricated since she was fed to to us for years as the boy crazy girl next door innocent type. for all we know she can just as easily be straight as she can be queer in some form. so gaylors aren't basing it on her persona as much as on her history w intense female friendships that seem to end super abruptly and are reminiscent of break-ups, sus lyrical references and industry gossip etc, since we all know the truth of who she is without the public facing persona is somewhere in between, that's all