Jeenkz K This is one of the most egregious aspects of this entire fiasco.

I would agree with you but from all the backlash I've seen it would probably just be accused of being derivative and doing something that was a kin to the original trilogy

They also had a great opportunity to tell us the story of how the restored republic crumbled again....and decided to punt instead.

@@jeffpatton6358 the prequels were actually great when looked at as part of the bigger picture....sure they had their problems such as jar jar and aotc spending too much time and effort on the love story between padme and anikan...last time I looked it was star wars and not star love story but by and large the achived their aim of showing us the fall of the reupblic,palpatines rise to power and the transformation of the old republic into the galactic empire...rogue one notwitstading I don't know what this shit Disney is putting out but it's NOT starwars and NEVER will be.

@@jeffpatton6358 I know what you were saying....a lot of people hate the prequels and got on his case so in return he said "fuck you guys...I'm selling sw to disney....and if you think the prequels are bad wait until you see the garbage Disney are going to release and you only have yourselves to blame"....and he was right.

Solo failed because the fans boycotted it. They even said they were going to boycott it way before it was released. Its a shame too because I thought it was a really neat movie.

perfect analogy!

@@SniffHeinkel correction, if failed because the movie was weak through and through. Had the movie actually exceeded or even met viewer expectation those boycotters would've quickly recanted their decision to boycott the movie and have seen it. I saw it in the theater and I can tell you. Nobody in my family really enjoyed it. It was a chore toi watch. We could drone on and on about how the film didn't work, but what irked me the most was the the intro between Han and Chewie. It was as poorly conceived as possible. Absolutely horrible in every way possible.

@@SniffHeinkel Solo failed because it cost a mint and was hardly advertised. Fans barely had anything to do with that.

Charming to the last. You don't know how hard they found it signing the order to terminate your fandom.

Ha ha ha ha!!!

Ha ha ha...yup!

So this is how channels thrive... with smashed like buttons...

SamGuthrie1977 reading this took me back to that night. star wars will never be the same again

SamGuthrie1977 Reading that reminded of my experience watching TLJ with my family on Christmas morning (I was the only one in the pack that hated it BTW). Literally, the first thing that I said once the movie was over and the credits rolled was "well, this makes me appreciate the prequels more now. Everything I said about the prequels, I take them all back. This is worse." I'll even go as far as to say that I would watch the Holiday Special before I would ever watch The Last Jedi without a second thought.

He needs Gypsy! And could Cambot secretly be the Retroblasting cameraman?

Peter James Ledwith I agree with you on Solo. I actually have enjoyed the anthology films more than the two new chapters Disney put out...on a side note, I noticed Tom Servo and Crow as well...where wa as Gypsy? ( I know she used to sleep through the movies on MST3K)

mechachrist, Gypsy was probably sleeping through the podcast the way she did through the movies on MST3K...her loss...it was a great podcast

@@mechachrist fellow MST3K Bot Builder here. There is a reason for why many builders such as myself don’t have Gypsy. It’s because the part used to make her head is damn near impossible to find since the late 2000’s The part was an infant car seat from the late 70’s and early 80’s (one of the first of its kind) and as a result it was deemed unsafe and around 95% of them were subsequently recalled and destroyed by the US Government. The few that did survive were all used to build Gypsy by fans and finding a seat that is intact is incredibly rare and many fans like myself have resigned to the fact that owning a replica of Gypsy from the original series is next to impossible and the car seat in question has become a holy grail.

Geerladenlad Exactly! Just tell a good story that everyone can enjoy and escape to. Keep politics out, left or right.

Geerladenlad At least they were less blunt about that like in the OT and PT, instead of shoving it into your face.

What are these politics that are supposedly in these new Star Wars movies I must have missed them all I saw was characters interacting with each other please attempt to describe it without using gender pronouns if you can

Politics has been a part of Star Wars since the beginning. It's nothing new. Phantom Menace was ALL about politics.

KK is an ideologue -- ultra far left -- and Iger is a businessman. Iger is NOT a creative. Creative people are NOT in charge at Disney now. Some of the business types, like Eisner did before, have fallen into the trap of believing they're adequate story editors when they have no clue about storytelling and filmmaking. They're financiers and balancing the books and talking the heads off people to get money is NOT the same thing as writing and shooting movies! They're two different skill sets and very few people are good at both! Business executives are STILL needed to keep the creatives' feet on the ground and hold them to a budget. That's the way Disney used to be run, btw. There were two brothers -- Walt, the younger fellow who created the IP's and nurtured talent within the company, and the elder brother, Roy, who balanced the books and kept Walt from spending the company into the ground! Needless to say, there was occasionally friction between those two but for nearly 40 years they kept their company together and during that time it was one of the most creative organizations in entertainment! In the same timeframe, other studio moguls came and went but by the time the late 1960s rolled around, there were very few families still left in control of the studios they founded! I think one of the keys may have been the Disneys kept control of their company and owned the majority of it. Nowadays, the company is very much answerable to the shareholders and the CEOs feel compelled to deliver a certain percentage growth every year and that puts tremendous pressure on anyone. The problem is Iger (and Eisner before) doesn't have the touch that Walt did and can't sense or predict what the public wants. We're also in a very different world now where it seems almost every major thing has been done in entertainment and it's hard to come up with anything new. That being the case, there still needs to be a high level of quality maintained (which doesn't necessarily spending into bankruptcy!) and I think that QA is broken down for most of Hollywood clearly, and arguably for Disney, too. As a FORMER huge Disney fan, it was a disappointment for me to see Disney buy up the Muppets, Pixar, and LucasFilm and ignore their own classic characters and existing properties. Oh, Disney is focusing on the Princess line and I've got no problem if they want to exploit that market (without going crazy in either direction of the political spectrum) but what about the characters I grew up with? At this point, Mickey Mouse is a symbol/a figurehead hardly remembered for his classic animated shorts. More should be done with him, Donald, Goofy, and the other characters but Disney has stepped away from this except for some very dumbed down kids shows where the animation is all done in "puppet-toon" CG which frankly looks stiff and awful. There are web shorts that have been done with the classic Disney characters but they're very cheap-looking, limited animation affairs and hardly look anything like the best animated shorts done with these characters in the 1930s and 1940s! There was no reason for Disney to go on a buying spree other than the powers-that-be obviously had no faith in their employees and felt the quick, easy to fix the situation was to buy existing, ready-made properties and make quick cash on them. That hasn't happened -- the Disney Muppet TV shows and movies have been bland, the DisneyWars mediocre at best, and while Pixar is still successful it's mired in producing sequels to all its films because that's the easy way to make a buck. Oh, you still need a balance between the creative and business sides but it's not there at Disney today. It's driven solely by business and you have business people like KK who have NO IDEA how to tell stories and they can't read their audiences and they are certainly as hell do not understand the fictional universities/properties they're shepherding, either!

AvengerII my problem with Iger isn’t that he himself isn’t creative. It’s that he seems to be more interested in buying IPs before Disney properly cultivate the ones they have or just bought. My bigger issue is that Iger seems to not be clamping down on what his employees are saying to fans. In the past few years some major companies have become completely arrogant. With two of them being subdivisions of Disney. Then there is the espn issue but I’m not going to get into that here.

Guernicaman they already have Dave Filoni who was trained by George while working in the Clone Wars series but chose to stick him working on Rebels. Which was a great show but his talent could be better used supervising all creative at Lucasfilm.

Here was Lucas' plans for the new movies from a 2012 article the day after the sale to Disney... "What we do know thus far is that, once again bucking fan expectations, Lucas has decided to no longer use the revered books, the expanded universe as it is known, as they were mostly not his creations, not his stories but the ideas of others which were officially licensed by Lucasfilm with Lucas retaining the rights to draw from those stories, change them as he saw fit for future projects or avoid them all together which it appears he was now doing. Instead Lucas is launching an original story, one that will reportedly feature Luke Skywalker, now in his 30s or 40s, in a tale that will follow “Stars Wars: Episode IV - Return Of The Jedi. and will feature a young cast aged 8-16 as the new stars” Lucas felt the franchise needs to get back to being geared more towards families and kids, less darker than previous films. And while a treatment is done, it appears that George Lucas was open to other ideas." As for the writers...Lucasfilm brought back Lawerence Kasdan who wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. He wrote The Force Awakens and Solo. He has been just as vital to the success of SW as Lucas. Lucas brought him also to write Raiders of the Lost Ark. Lucas also gushed over the decision of J.J. Abrams as director. Lucas' idea for Episode. Also Spielberg sadly is no longer the director he once was. Like Lucas he seems to be more into the look of cartoonish CGI over story and also seems to be making movies based on books, real life events rather than original ideas. Lucas also shunned people like that on the prequels. Ron Howard wanted to direct a prequel, Spielberg was asked but Lucas decided to do everything himself, write and direct...he he was terrible at it. He also had yes man Rick McCallum as his producer, a guy who only worked with Lucas. Lucas is a good storyteller but his stories are best when others write the scripts. When Kennedy took over, Kasdan returned, some crew from the originals returned. James Mangold, who made Logan, has been tapped to write and direct Boba Fett...genius decision.

bigevilworldwide1 I already know everything you said. Your long winded comment was pointless. But thanks anyway.

A ton of people hated the Ghostbusters idea before they saw one frame. Make of that what you will. I know on the internet there were pockets of pissed alpha males organizing boycotts months before the trailer dropped.

No, more fans are waking up. That's why Solo bombed. When they announced that Lando is pansexual. I said I'm done with Kathleen Kennedy's Star Wars

It's different. Vader and Luke were in a duel right before the emperor. Ben solo was sleeping and he was just a padawan or something, no direct danger at the moment. Luke had plenty of time to talk with Leia and talk with Ben. Luke gave so many chances even to Jabba the hut before killing all of them.

TLJ is like a terminator, it can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse and it simply will not stop until SW is dead. I saw SW when it came out in 77, I was eight years old, but I refuse to gobble up any more plastic Bantha Poodo simply because it has a SW logo on it. The nostalgia of TFA sucked me in, fool me once shame on you, I went to see TLJ, fool me twice shame on me, but I won't be fooled again. George Lucas once stated, during the time he was filming the prequels and catching heat, that nostalgia can kill creativity, seems he was right.

Loki Fults that’s a great meme in the making! Just need an emperor photo!

Yeah, it was perfect, wasn't it?!

How's that even perfect? GB 2016 is a superior film compared to 1984 GB.

S4ns the only politics in these movies are the ones you choose to see but I guess women having positions of power is political now? Or like those silly people who made Ghostbusters by assembling one of the Premier all-star casts of comedians and actors to make a movie. What the hell were they thinking trying to make something they thought people would enjoy.

I think Sony knew the film they had was garbage, but knew they could manipulate people into supporting the film blindly if they controlled the narrative by making the “controversy” about sex and race. The saddest part of such petty, disingenuous behavior is they a like the little boy crying, “wolf.” By constantly vilifying the general public as racist and sexist, they trivialize the terms and debilitate attempts to criticize real racists and sexists.

Classic Action Figures it's impossible to make Star Wars movies that everybody likes there's too many time periods too many people's own special attachments to the time they watched it and there's just too much non-canon and Canon stuff spread out between cartoons multiple movies over multiple years Books & Comics. After they made the first one the cat was out of the bag you can never put it back in

i've never watched these movies but isn't the point of business to cater to the fans of your franchise first and foremost?Sure you should try and bring in new fans,but these old fans are the ones who will seeing these movies multiple times and bringing along their friends/family too rather than a casual audience who only likely see the movie once and probably won't pick up the bunches of merchandise either. I honestly don't think people wouldn't be as upset as they are if they hadn't made the clearly nostalgia money baiting choice of bringing the OT characters back for the ST trilogy. Think about it. You could cut all the OT characters out of the main movies(that's not even getting into the pointless prequels),replace them,and nothing in the plot would change that much. Disney easily could've just focused on the new characters and while fans might've criticized the movies,it wouldn't be as bad and they would've forgotten them. It's the blatant disrespect of the SW franchise and mythos that are getting fans in an uproar. All of the trilogies are meant to be an ongoing saga(not separate standalone movies),so when the connections between TFA and TLJ are inconsistent at best(when the latter is a SEQUEL),what does that say about how much disney respects the brand? It's even more baffling to me when you compare it to Disney's other main franchise:Marvel. All of the movies have more care put into them and certainly more respect for the source material. The timeline of the Marvel films are always kept in mind when making new films so it's never jarring. It seems to me that the Marvel movies had........ maybe not a rock solid plan,but at least something of a direction they wanted to go in and the fact the the main movies are such a mess tells me that that wasn't the case with the SW ST. Marvel had David Fiege to oversee the Marvel films and it was lucky that he happens to know the source material while also having good business sense.It's too bad they couldn't find such a person for SW. all the issues Kennedy has been having with the films behind the scenes shows that she's at least a little over her head.

Also, to me it's the height of hypocrisy that Disney declared the EU non-canon and yet pieces of the EU keep popping up in the Disney canon. it's like they can't make up their minds or they can't come up with their own stuff. The causal fan is not going to know fuck all about the EU so there's no point in putting it in there if they're aiming for a newer audience to begin with. I was surprised when i watched a video explaining that Holdo was an actual character in the EU.

And, might I add. In this world of hateful name calling and finger pointing I'm loving the troll free safety of RetroBlasting. Thank you again Michael and Melinda for putting a stop to it and giving us all a platform to discuss our passions for childish things in an adult fashion.

Davidt Dunlop Actaully some do and the PT politics weren't full blown far left crap. They could be even considered as pro-libertarian to some extent (God bless Bush, just kidding, he was big government money spending moron like the hypocrite liberals who complained about him). I support the separatists, they're far more interesting and contrasting than the Rebels/Republic (democrats/communists, the Ewoks are totally vile Viet Cong) vs the Empire (republicans or fascists/Nazis because it's practically the same-_-, ugh).

TFA was incompetent, TLJ was malicious.

It's a quote by Emilio Zapata.

I could not agree with you more on this point.

At this point I would rather see the fandom die on its feet then Star Wars because that's what's destroying my love of it and it has nothing to do with JJ Abrams Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson

jon coxe pump the hate breaks Thanos. Lucasfilm is there for the sole purposes to serve the fans. The movie going public and the fans don’t serve Lucasfilm.

Ben Kurth sweet I've never been called Thanos before! I like it!

I agree completely. This video expressed my sentiments about the new films to a tee.

I'll second that. You hit the nail on so many points. Especially about the state of arguments. If anyone is confused why people hate politicians, they should listen to the setup of this versus situation. I have zero interest in it and complete interest in watching a well crafted story. This is coming from the perspective of one who was less a fan and someone who just grew up with the toys and games. And speaking as a fan of Teen Titans, New Warriors, Doctor Who, Transformers, and Mass Effect, I'm way too used to this baloney.

jedipoodoo It seemed Feloni was forced to end Rebels abruptly. Another failure on Disney front office.

I disagree even people I know who didn't like The Last Jedi have cited that getting another Star Wars movie four months after having one was too soon

jon coxe I can respect that, and I know a lot of people out there who would use the MCU as a counter point but I won't because that's comparing two different things.

jedipoodoo I agree Marvel came out the gate not expecting to build the franchise they have but I'm sure they wanted to get there and they had some missteps along the way but it was built into their business model and entertainment model to pump out movies constantly like an actual comic book LOL where is before we had three movies for Star Wars never expected to get any more 20 years later we got three that I would say if the internet have been what it is now people would be calling for boycotts of them and then almost 20 years later we get more so it's impossible to compare the two logically