Rest in peace KK

THIS IS MY FUCKING BELT. RIP KK

@100 kg but still a record...

Pete himself was my deadlift idol years ago. He was doing non peaked beltless 535x14, 565x12 from a dead stop.

Let's hope so. Untested sports will forever remain niche. IPF imo is more relatable to a broader audience. Also, with the strict technical rules and stiff bar it's much better than some of the fuckery in other federations. It offers a long term frame of reference.

True

I don’t even keep up with lifters outside of my clients and guys at my gym anymore so I get that. I’m just not as interested either

Jesse norris would still be a force to deal with in powerlifting, but career, kids, loss of passion caught up to him.

You could imagine my surprise at my first local comp when my paltry 505 total at 82.1 got me a gold.

@@tv26889 I thought he got injured? But yeah can't blame him, at some point as a man with a family, you need to make some real money.

Very true. The injuries ramp up big time.

This is absolutely true the push in gear(💉) and size is always causing a burn-out or injuries. - I remember that guy from the UK luke richardson when he lifted in the IPF the guy was on fire after it he did go to strongman and start to use and at the young age of 25 he had so many injuries(bicep tear lat tear hamstring tear) that it's almost sad to see.

@@brucepower3429 I have been following Luke since his IPF days and it is extremely sad. He has great potential but each time he gets strong, he tears something.

@@brucepower3429strongman has an inherently higher injury risk due to there being more than 3 lifts to train for most of which are less stable And even ipf lifters are enhanced

​@@mongoosekhan3079I met luke a few times what's happened to him is shocking he teared his bicep then had knee surgery comes back tears his lat comes back tears same bicep comes back tears his hamstring all those injuries needed surgery I feel bad for him he come Into strong man with a bang winning Europe strongest man he was nicknamed the future his body has gave up fair play too him if he comes back but from my own experience he will get hurt again it's hard to say I'm done my body which was once the strongest in the world for his age and still is

Really solid explanation. Couldn’t agree more!

Pete, its that powerlifting when you were doing it wasn't even really a sport. It was more of a way of life, an artisting way of expressing pain i could say. There was a beauty in it beyond what it is becoming now for the most part: just another sport.

Well said

Less heart and less passion? Wtf? Have you talked to all of them to make such bold claims? How can you even strive to be the best without heart or passion about a thing, in this case sport? Ain’t nobody at the top just for the bigger numbers, that can’t be possible. They have to love the sport for long enough to learn to be patient in order to get strong/be the strongest. Your assessment is false or at least I strongly disagree with.

​@@derherr8498i can understand why you disagree, but i just cant change my feeling about things in the world right now: everything is becoming more robotic, mechanic, more efficent maybe but with way less soul and individuality. Powerlifting feels the same. Just watch at the passion of george leeman, pete, dan green, brandon lilly. It wasnt even a sport for them, it was a way of living. Now great athletes but meh.... something feels just different.

Not really at this point seeing 700LBS to 1000LBS deadlifts or squats on or off the platform are becoming "normal" but that's it i remember when 400KG was a big deal that became "normal" but the weights past that are still difficult to achieve on a consistent basis even 400KG is difficult on a consistent basis. - Eddie his 500KG was in 2016 only thor and jamal did it 8 years later ray williams is still the only one who did 490KG in sleeves julius maddox is the only one benching close to 800LBS/363KG. - 20 years from now there is not much of a difference the human body can only take so much.

@@brucepower3429 The same thing is always said in every field of performance. 4 minute mile. 2 hour marathon. deadlift world records. any football statistical category. homeruns in baseball. bodybuilders looking like they were designed by Stan Lee... inconceivable things are often limited by the illusion of their inconceivable nature. If 900 lb deadlifts are becoming common today, that would imply that 1000 lb deadlifts will be common in time, and then 1100 and so forth...the human body is limited by factors of our understanding of it and how it interacts with the force of gravity, both physical and figurative. It's the main reason we are still on earth; we love to push shit to the edge.

@@markwelden7393 you believe what you want i respect it have a great day. 👍🏻

@@markwelden7393 The four minute mile was broken 50 years ago. If what you’re saying made sense we would have seen a 3 minute mile by now, or hell why not a 2 minute mile? But in reality the record has only dropped 16 seconds and that was done back in 1999 with no progress since. So in reality there are limits to human performance and we won’t know what they are until the records stagnate for a long period of time. We could be right on the cusp of that point or it could be a ways off still.

@@timk8258 look at the mile record progression up until 4 min...look at how many high school kids have blasted through a 4 minute mile with ease in the last 25 years. Prior to 2000 there was 3 of them. Post 2000 there have been 15+ children that have gone sub-4. what I am saying absolutely makes sense when you know anything about how much a single fraction of a second matters in middle distance and short distance running, as well as even elite long distance running. there are certainly limits to what the human body is capable of, I just don't think we are anywhere near them. there was a 9 year gap between 4:10 and 4:09...and another 9 year gap between 4:01 and 3:59. a 25 year gap between 3:43 and 3:42 seems entirely reasonable and given the value of a 1 second drop in that time - it's a quantum leap to anyone that is a middle distance runner at that level. Record progressions usually involve lulls and then bursts; there are a multitude of factors involved in this, but to assume that we have seen the last burst of say, 5 new WR's in the mile in 5 years, is pretty silly to me - particularly considering that the mile is a freedom unit race that is run virtually solely in America. If you consider the rate of which people get to 900 lbs deadlift, and how that rate has blown up in the last few years, I fail to see how I am far off in suggesting that we are going to see some insane lifts in 20 years. Feel free to refer back to this thread in 2044...I'm happy to engage in this conversation to boost Pete in the algo, however. So thanks for taking the time to respond.

It's like the Chinese teams in weightlifting- often times people commit their entire lives in training knowing that they are competing for 2nd place at best.

I’d say more so they don’t want to bother spending the money traveling for these meets John is at

If Larry had never hopped on the sauce he'd be another Bobb Matthews and still in

It’s comparable to when an nfl offensive lineman retires and loses 80 lbs like Joe Thomas

Very true! They are strong as can be!

Maddox is coached by Josh Bryant i thought?

@@RoadTo340kg He was being coached by Wenning when he was backsliding.

I think this is a very reasonable explanation. I’ve noticed a big of a shift to more drug-free lifting and all around health as well.

When did raw lifting fade?

​@@SinnedNogara starting around 2015 or so. That was the end of the "Golden Age" of raw lifting. When in a short period of time guys like Pete, George Leeman, Dan Green, Jeremy Hamilton, Lilliebridge, San Byrd, Brandon Lilly, etc. all sterted to exit the sport in a short timeframe for one reason or another.

@@adrianpap1374 Way more people compete in raw lifting now than they did in 2015, and they're lifting much heavier weights. Raw lifting will probably fade eventually, but it's extremely popular now.

@Erebosmagnus maybe more competitors, but it's less popular in terms of fans. Can you name any IPF or USAPL current champs?

Drug tests are easy to pass it doesn’t mean anything. If professional organizations like the NFL has people passing testing and they make billions of dollars compared to a poor sport like bodybuilding and powerlifting, what makes you think people in drug tested federations like Russ can passing testing. You can’t be this gullible to believe that Russ Orhii is natural.

Pete seems a bit ignorant of the rest of the world,only knows what goes on in the good ol USA

neither. he seems to be all around proportional, which also matches his well-roundedness

also, yeah. people cope about all sorts of things.

He has long arms. He’s built better for deadlift than bench, but of course he has a world class bench. Take a look at the angles behind his knees and at his hips when he starts the pull-they’re relatively “open”. That’s a good position to start a deadlift in; he’s built for deadlifts. The bench is more anomolous.

On second look he appears to be proportionate, maybe just being so stacked and relatively short made it seem like his as where shorter Definitely wouldn't say they are long

@@Bigramt, we can argue about it back and forth forever, but the key to a good conventional deadlift is open angles behind the knee and at hips, usually caused by relatively long arms and shorter torso. He doesn’t have Lamar Gant arms, but his arms are long for someone who has benched 500+ routinely at 198 lbs. Compare him to literally anyone else who benches 500+ at that body weight. I’m aware he now trains at 218 or so, but he was one of the best natural lifters of all time at 181, and when he was thinner, it was easier to see that his arms are pretty long for that weight (or 198). Maliek Derstine (a monster at 181/198) is an example Of someone with short arms (because he’s short). Haack isn’t short for the 198 weight class.

His name doesn't appear on OP. The biggest deadlift for a lifter over 60 is 330kg from our very own Terrence Titus

selection bias. the people you see get the most attention is the people that at the very least wanted a lot of attention almosy always

It's just as popular as ever. Individual people lose interest and it just seems that way to them.

if anything, it's more popular than ever before.

Raw tested powerlifting is more popular than ever. Look at IPF worlds, sheffield numbers or some of the french meets. Untested though might be dying.

Thank you sir! I've been training to run 100 miles in under 35 hours in the mountains. 2 months left to go till the race and then I'll put some size back on. I've been off PEDs as well for 3.5 years. Bodyweight is still 205 lbs!

Massive difference between tested PLing and the Olympics. Tested PLing is dominated by countries with independent drug testing, athletes that don't make a lot of money, and are subject to real out of contest testing. There are no large scale political factors, or huge corporations with millions of dollars of ads riding on athletes. Could this change down the road, sure. But for now it's very likely the top IPF guys from North America and Western Europe are natty.

@@yaroslav64 you really think they’re stronger naturally than the best enhanced lifters are while enhanced? Use some logic

@@dantethunderstone2118 sure thing let's use some logic. The population of tested lifters is so much higher than untested I'm not sure if people understand. Worldwide there's probably what 10 times the number of natty lifters? 50 times? So immediately you'd expect the top lifters to be far more genetically talented. On top of that the training, nutrition, and coaching in untested is notably worse. And finally something I don't think gets talked about. Untested lifting might actually create a negative selection bias because extremely talented natural lifters can progress so quickly they don't see the point of hopping on a ton of gear. The sport is way too young and fragmented to have a perfectly efficient breakdown of talent.

@@yaroslav64first of all, there’s way more people on peds than you think. Second, most untested lifters start off as tested lifters just like John haack who I believe was likely natural when he competed tested then he switched to untested when he started juicing. Someone like Jesus though, I believ started off natural, obviously, and then realized he was strong as fk and squatted over 700lbs. Then he put 150lbs on his squat in a year. You might say what’s the big deal with that? I put 150lbs on my squat in the past year. Jesus went from 750 to 900 in a year and he had already been lifting for over 7 years. And since then he’s put another 150lbs on his squat. In the span of 3 years he added almost 300lbs to his squat, now in at least his 10th year lifting. That should set off Alarm bells in anyone who knows how progression works head. You can claim it’s just genetics but that would suggest someone with similar genetics and steroid should be significantly stronger but he is the strongest powerlifter ever

hey those are around my numbers ouch

Lol you must be playin. Pete is one of the kindest realest dudes in the game and the way other lifters and athletes speak to and of him speaks volumes on this.

Yes, true but you always say what you lift at the weight you weighed in at and with 24hr weigh ins you can fluctuate a lot in BW the next day for a meet.