UPDATED* Planetary BMX Freecoaster Troubleshooting & Maintenance

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4 ай бұрын

Troubleshooting and Maintenance tips for BMX freecoaster hubs that utilize the Free Night Planetary clutch.
In the time since my last video covering this I have learned a lot about how to tackle the issues that can come up with these hubs. Most of the time any issues you are having can be solved relatively easy so hopefully this video can help!
If you try the things outlined in this video and still can't fix your problem feel free to reach out to Free Night, the company that made your specific hub, or myself.
Note: I uploaded this video a week or so ago with a method for installing drive side hub bearings that could have the possibility or damaging the clutch upon install. This video removes that segment and addresses better technique for installing this bearing.
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@joebyrne6211 12 күн бұрын

Thanks so much for this video Brant. I’ve got two of these hubs on wheels built by Albes and the second one that I just received has the “wobble” going on. I checked the jam nuts first, which didn’t solve the issue. So I called Zach to get his feedback. He’s such a cool dude and is sending me a fresh set of bearings and a new clutch assembly. Now that you’ve given such a solid explanation, I’ll swap the bearings first and see if that solves it. Also, really good info about the lubrication. Thanks again.

@Brant_Moore 12 күн бұрын

Glad to hear it’s getting worked out for you man. We always wanna help people have the best experience possible

@BmxDaD761 4 ай бұрын

Your explanations are spot on. Great tutorials 🤘

@Tingley19 Ай бұрын

Hey Brant, just wanted to let ya know i got her running again. I finally just took the clutch apart and wiped down all the parts and shit and put it back together. Somehow that has it back up and running strong as new. Thanks man.

@Tingley19 Ай бұрын

Remembered seeing how you disassembled the clutch before so just did that. Hah idk how it did anything or affected anything but here we are.

@amenstep 2 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot Brant for this helpful tips! 🙏 I have a problem right now with damn squeaky sound that drives me crazy. Now I know how to fix it 🙌

@dopelordz 4 ай бұрын

The slipping issues in my testing is basically due to the cones not being tight enough, if you don't hear the cassette noise at all its a sign you risk slipping. I believe lube between the top hat and the axle is moot, because when the cones nuts are up tight the top hat is sandwiched tightly between the inner ring of the sealed bearing in the driver and the inner ring of the sealed bearing in the hub. This is then locked to the axle via the cone nut. So when you have the cones nuts up tight, the top hat effectively becomes part of the axle in a similar way to the spacer inside a bottom bracket. This I believe is why you get the slipping when the cones are not tight, the planetary needs a stable base to perform the differential. The flip side is people who have over torqued the cones nuts crushing the tophat which can result in the same thing. Also the O-ring does need to have some resistance for the same reasons as above, so I prefer some minimal dry lube here. One thing you don't address is the random engagements in fakie which for me was only made better by a lower torque on the cone nuts. The loudness of the cassette noise was the only indicator of the torque, for me a loud cassette noise meant more random engagements. However finding this torque point between pedal slipping and random engagements was hard and took lots of experimenting and found it best when I could just barely hear the cassette noise. Also, because the hub has only cone nuts and not locknuts, it can come undone if you are not careful when tightening your pegs on the frame. I am pleased to say that since getting the 1.5 mech all my problems have gone away, I can run cones nice and tight, tight chain, with the number of random engagements in fakie (almost) eradicated. One other tip for removing the springs from the pawls is if you slide a cocktail stick inside the spring you can pull them out without fear of them pinging off never to be seen again!

@Brant_Moore 4 ай бұрын

Just to clarify for anyone reading..the amount of people who had issues with the hub not engaging when pedaling forward that had the problem completely fixed by cleaning the axle and inside of top hat washer is way too many to call it moot. Just did it for someone at rays this Saturday whose hub was slipping. The lubricant could be clearly seen on the axle and he didn’t have a single issue after it was cleaned off. Jam nuts were checked for tightness first as well. The o rings inside the top hat washer need friction against the axle for engagement to work and if there’s lubricant present it allows for slipping. I’ve yet to experience random engagements that were caused by anything hardware related. It’s always been dependent on the trick being done/if the back wheel is moving or stopped when it starts rotating backwards or the speed moving while the trick is happening

@dopelordz 4 ай бұрын

@@Brant_Moore why did you put tri-flow on the top hat then if it needs friction?

@Brant_Moore 4 ай бұрын

You referred to between top hat and axle in your comment. In the video I suggested for lubricant to be put only on the outside of top hat washer between clutch and it. The outer surface of top hat that contacts the clutch o ring needs a drop of lubricant to stay quiet and not ruin the o ring with too much friction. The inner surface that contacts the axle should have no lubricant so that the hub engages properly.

@dopelordz 4 ай бұрын

@@Brant_Moore Yeh I just realised that tri-flow is in fact dry lube lol, I use a squirt of WD and wipe it. You've got a loose axle assembly, connect the lot up like your other video minus the planetary. See if you can rotate the top hat round the axle when its all clamped up tight? I just dont see how the top hat can rotate around the axle if its clamped between the bearings. I bet the ones you fixed with grease on the axle had bled lube / grease into the O-ring part too.

@odysseybmxboy 4 ай бұрын

If u have wobble even if u have everything tight could be the hub shell and definitely get some loctite 638 and put around the hub bearings this worked for me no wobble and been running smooth

@twentytolife4401 4 ай бұрын

Love my Alienation Venus coaster. My only thing is it stays engaged if I fakie right foot forward and wont go into coaster mode. If I'm left foot forward to fakie, no issues. So the hub has me spooked but I'm getting use to it. A big plus is how much lighter it is compared to my Shadow Optimize coaster.

@owendagenais837 Ай бұрын

I have had the BSD revolution hub for almost 2 years. And I have always had issues with it engaging when I land fakie. I tighten the cone nuts and even put lock tight to try and keep the cone nuts tight. But this only fixes the problem temporarily as I can feel the cone nut break loose when I peddle and therefore cause the hub to engage when I land fakie. I would appreciate some recommendations on what I should do.

@AvedisMusix 4 ай бұрын

I got the cult astro wheel and some times when I ride super fast it literally screams but goes away during the next ride sesh

@user-fu5jd4jt4k 2 ай бұрын

hola el conjunto de embrague es el mismo que trae una free night ? por que no trea la arandela C

@10isawsome 29 күн бұрын

Dam, I gotta disassemble my whole back wheel because the hub won't engage when I'm trying to pedal:( Can my bike just work for more than a few weeks 😭

@giovannisalis4805 28 күн бұрын

hi, I have one of these hubs but it's a little bit different because I have a spring in it, it's still a planetary free coaster?

@Brant_Moore 28 күн бұрын

Sounds like a hybrid system hub

@giovannisalis4805 28 күн бұрын

@@Brant_Moore yeah maybe, but I can't figure out the name of this hub, if you find something about it answer to my comment please

@timlocher4829 4 ай бұрын

Whatever happened to the spring loaded clutch upgrade instead of the oring?

@Brant_Moore 4 ай бұрын

It’s coming soon. Was in production months ago

@timlocher4829 4 ай бұрын

@@Brant_Moore nice that and a maybe a female axle from rnc would be cool

@Tingley19 Ай бұрын

BRANT HELP ME PLS. wish I could call you man. I have been through your older version of this video way back when I first got my planetary hub and was trying to learn more about servicing it. Finally got to where the engagement is giving me an issue and it’s only when already pedaling forward because when it’s stationary it always engages first to get the wheel turning, then won’t engage or most of the time doesn’t engage at all unless I back pedal like I’m about to fakie out of a 180 or whatever. I stripped her down, wiped out and tightened everything hard as I can. And it still is only some times engaging!? What is my problem brotha?! Fuck my life. I just got my bike put back together after a deep cleaning and shit too, haven’t been on it for a few days, of course now I get her spiffed up and back together, it’s time to get back into her guts. 😂 guess I’ll have this on repeat today.

@Brant_Moore Ай бұрын

My suggestion would be to contact the company who made your hub with a reasonable calm email stating what’s happened and what you’ve tried. It sounds like you might need a new clutch for it but I can’t fully tell without seeing it right in front of ne

@Tingley19 Ай бұрын

@@Brant_Moore thank you brotha! I might just order the clutch and skip the back and forth. I appreciate you as always.

@deadb0yy 20 күн бұрын

If you remove the clutch, would the hub work as a normal cassette?

@Brant_Moore 20 күн бұрын

No because the pawls spring downward

@deadb0yy 20 күн бұрын

@@Brant_Moore even if you added the spacers that make them spring upwards?

@Brant_Moore 20 күн бұрын

You’d have to keep the spacer that’s within the clutch on the axle as well so that there’s no open space on the axle. Not sure if it’d work or not but it seems like it could.

@deadb0yy 20 күн бұрын

@@Brant_Moore would be awesome if it works! Thank you for the advice!