street shoe size is a 12 and i got the upmoccs in a 12. the upmoccs feel like a half size smaller than the 5.10 moccasyms and UP does not stretch as much as the 5.10

@@jarvo7723 You said you wear a 5.10 Anasazi VCS in 12 and you took the UpMoccs in 12.5 just to be more all day comfortable. So for me it sounds like Anasazi VCS size = UpMocc size. For me this is left UK 9 and right UK 10, since my feet are different in size (44.5 or UK 9.5+ left foot and 45.5 or between UK 10.5 and 11 right foot).

Do you feel the shoes are wide?

I don't wear them too often anymore but they're still holding up. Ethier my foot grew or I got tired of tight shoes, but they feel just a bit too tight when i put them on

So these didn't stretch as much as I hoped and they would still hurt my toes after wearing them all day. I ended up getting a used pair of 5.10 moccs in size 12.5 and they almost feel too big, but are fine for the easy all day trad I'll do. I think the rubber is good, I've smeared with no problems and haven't noticed any issues. Looking at them now they seem pretty similar, but the toecap rubber on the UPMocc is peeling up from the fabric and I've done ~30 pitches in them. I'm not sure how much crossover there is between UP and pre adidas 5.10 employees, but check out the catalogs of both and you'll see shoe siblings I'll wear the UPmoccs out sport climbing and theyre fine for me, but I dont climb harder than 5.10. I have a beat up pair of anasazi vcs i wear in the gym

@@jarvo7723 Cool, thanks mate! I've been looking at a few of the Unparallel and 5.10 options both.

@@thesii213 I've been eyeing the five ten grandstones too.. If they ever come out :|

@@jarvo7723 You ever check out Butora? Super comfortable and their rubber is on Black Diamond as well. I love the fit, although the rubber is maybe not as sticky as I'd hope? Still, people get on podiums with them regularly so what do I know?

@@thesii213 I almost got a pair of butora high tops but didn't pull the trigger. Need to check em out next time theres a demo at the gym. My friend had a pair of the BD ones that were gray/black... Forget the name but good for cracks and all day comfort