I did a bunch of research on PEX before going for Uponor a couple years ago. On any metric, except material price, I believe it comes out ahead. My favorite fact is that is the only system (that I know of) that utilizes the physical properties of the material to secure the connection. After expanding the PEX, it clamps down on the fitting over time as the crosslinked polymers try to return to their original shape. Other systems use crimps or push-clamps that are under stress holding the pipe on the fitting, so I consider it a matter of time before something fails. And by my estimation, the time I saved re-plumbing two bathrooms easily paid for the Dewalt PEX expander compared to working with copper.
@Freedacarlo3 жыл бұрын
Was health assessed as one of your metrics? Do we know about any long term water quality issues with these types of plumbing systems?
@DetailCarPro3 жыл бұрын
@@Freedacarlo Pex is used a lot in EU (where standards are much higher than US) it's safe. There has been some studies that show leach in HIGH chlorine environments in the US. But only certain brands and in all brands it generally diminished to the point of being undetectable after 30days. Pex overall is very safe.
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
Okay now research Zurn its expandable just like Uponor without the dangers of leaching chemicals, please research a little deeper I know it's not proven that Uponor pex-a is dangerous but some experts say it is so why take a chance when you've got a choice and still have a pex-b thats expandable
@TheGreatElectron3 жыл бұрын
@@Freedacarlo I didn't specifically look into health but given that these are made of long-chain plastic polymers I wouldn't expect them to be particularly susceptible to leeching into the water. And in a comparative sense there is no flux residue, solder, or oxidation as could be seen in a copper system - but I'm certainly no expert.
@benrichards50693 жыл бұрын
Rehau #1
@brinkman49253 жыл бұрын
I've got three reasons why uponor is the best. Today's video is sponsored by uponor.. I guess 2 more to go from here?...
@danbedard2903 жыл бұрын
Except it is
@eliroy78333 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@K-dog20203 жыл бұрын
It may be the best but when the video is sponsored by one of the choices, you instantly lose any credibility that you have. You use to get good honest reviews on KZfaq but with all the people all about the money and getting sponsor ship deals, it has become like those corny late night paid infomercials.
@renderwood3 жыл бұрын
@@K-dog2020 Within the past few years Matt has gathered so much popularity that I don't anymore trust his judgement to be unbiased. Stuff he recommends might be good but not necessarily the best. It will not be the cheapest, because companies that have money to market will also increase their prices.
@MichaelM-to4sg3 жыл бұрын
Ok, then ignore his presentations and refer to ASTM test ratings. 5106 is the best rating I’ve seen for any Pex. Then try using it. Compared to anything we’ve used, Uponor is best handling, especially in tight stud bays. The only issue I have is fitment required investment in Milwaukee M12 platform tool. We’re already invested in Hilti, Metabo and Makita battery platforms, did not need another battery-charger to deal with but that was part of gig.
@Ball_cock3 жыл бұрын
I'm a plumber. My company has been using Uponor since the beginning. Can't stop, won't stop.
@supernova89623 жыл бұрын
you should tell them to use Press fittings... so much better.... no flexing when its hot
@sambojones86813 жыл бұрын
As a general terminology clarification pex a, or b are both tubing not pipe like copper and cpvc are tubing. The distinction being, pipe defines size of inner diameter, and tubing defines size by outer diameter.
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
If you are that technical you might want to measure PEX 1/2 inch tubing the outside measures right around 5/8's of a inch so the information is a little off
@footlongburrito3 жыл бұрын
They are all tubing including copper
@michaelangelo63782 жыл бұрын
Pipe is metal or concrete, tubing is everything else
@sambojones86812 жыл бұрын
@@michaelangelo6378 what about copper tubing?
@Pepe-dq2ib Жыл бұрын
@@sambojones8681 and stainless steel tubing for flares....
@skFriberg3 жыл бұрын
The whole "this is a review of X and why X is the best option, sponsored by X" is so weird. How could anyone trust your judgement fully when they are paying you to speak on their behalf?
@gregw23883 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's kind of gross, even though I really believe Matt is an honest guy.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@gregw2388 Matt may be somewhat honest, but he is a top level shill, no question.
@PhotonHerald3 жыл бұрын
Look at Matt's history. He's been talking Uponor up for years. For God's sake! He's putting it in his own house! YES, the guy is being sponsored. And he probably got a nice deal on the stuff used in his home. But if you were sponsored by "Crappy Pex Systems", a place that's exactly what it says on the tin, would YOU use it in your own home? Look back through his vids. He's done quite a bit of Pex and fitting testing.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@PhotonHerald LOL! Somebody got their panties in a bunch. It's cute how you hit the thumbs up on your own reply.
@PhotonHerald3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Huh? Pretty sure I didn't. But if I did, sorry if it offends your delicate sensibilities.
@19jdjnr3 жыл бұрын
Love watching Matt’s videos, and I do believe he shows good construction methods with quality products.. but I also believe there are much cheaper, yet still quality alternatives to the products he pushes
@jwblount78023 жыл бұрын
for all you people make sure you realize this is just his opinion on the pipe. But keep in mind no matter what type of pipe you use if put water in it it will freeze. Anything with water can freeze the only difference is PEX no matter which you use does not break when frozen. He is leaving a lot of info out!!
@number1pappy2 жыл бұрын
We used pex "A" uponor in our renovation and I am extremely happy with it! I would highly recommend you get a cordless expansion tool. I started with a manual one and within a couple of hours I decided to drop the hammer on a cordless one ! Lol! Yeah it's pricey but your arms will thank you! But not having to worry about frozen pipes and the money you save on fittings will make you happy. Doing a re- plumb with pex is remarkably easy as well. I highly recommend you start with a plan first though! Don't just try and follow your current plumbing. Oh and go up a size from your current pipes as well.
@stevestalock32003 жыл бұрын
I've toured one of Uponor's plants in Minnesota. Their quality it very impressive.
@ultimatejeep3 жыл бұрын
This was a 15 minute Ad for Uponor. If they gave me free products for my home “renovation” of course I would say it’s the best. I prefer unbiased opinions on building supplies.
@cjgetreal Жыл бұрын
Uponor has discontinued the manufacture of blue and red pex due to premature failures and resulting class action lawsuits. Evidently the clear is not affected as the addition of the red and blue color affects the material. Whole house repiping is starting to happen on less than 10 year old construction. Guess Matt might be one of them eventually. There is should be a disclaimer to this show to inform his audience.
@Roy-ij1wq Жыл бұрын
The class action suit against Uponer claims that the problem with red and blue Uponer is a result of the pipe being overheated after it is extruded to get the dye to stick. This allegedly causes the pipe to fail prematurely. The clear is not included in the law suit.
@SaintlySaavy11 ай бұрын
Yup started to see it in the service side here in Houston. We have seen it on clear pipe too however. We have seen enough over the past three years that I am switching over to the pureflow system and using our remaining expansion stuff for house to meter replacements. Apparently, chlorine protection is degraded also that causes the tubing to weaken on the hot side. I will note that ALL of the repairs we have had to make on leaking uponor was on the hot side.
@alexanderlavoie54618 ай бұрын
Have the leaks specifically been at or near the joints where is been expanded?
@WallStreetBeggar3 жыл бұрын
Uponor is the bar for pex products. Use it for all our pex projects, never had a leak...actually the only leaks we've ever gotten when we charge the pipes is usually on sweat fittings or thread fittings, never once failed an Uponor fitting.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
That's weird, I always use the cheapest shit I can get my hands on...never had a leak with PEX either. It's almost like all flavors of PEX are extremely reliable and arguing about the difference is absurd....
@guytech73103 жыл бұрын
The weakness in Uponor is with the plastic fittings that can crack. I think the plastic fittings are ABS plastic. But even a 12 year old can run uponor and install with no leaks. Its pretty much fail proof.
@WallStreetBeggar3 жыл бұрын
@@guytech7310 I don't believe the Uponor fittings are ABS, they don't publish an exact make up of the plastic, but it's definitely a higher quality fiber reinforced plastic. I've tested these fittings up to 500 psi, and they've never blown out. Actually holds for like a good 2 days before losing any pressure. Even then it holds 100 psi forever. The pex itself does deteriorate if exposed to the sun for too long, but I've seen fittings left outside for a few years that still solid, although discolored
@guytech73103 жыл бұрын
@@WallStreetBeggar I have some crack when getting installed, usually when trying to man-handle them in a tight spot. I am sure they are find under pressure. They're just not a s strong a brass.
@18twilliams3 жыл бұрын
You are wrong about the pex needing 90s to fit that install! pex has cornering reinforcers that will allow it to corner just as well!
@RaddestDad3 жыл бұрын
Yep without flow loss.
@Nyorostx3 жыл бұрын
This video is sponsored you forgot that 😉
@carrabellicusp3 жыл бұрын
I use corner brackets all the time all the time. Consumer Reports he ain’t Sponsors always affect the narrative
@TheSteelArmadillo3 жыл бұрын
So you need brackets to make sharp bends. Weird.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
It's always so funny when Matt thinks he's an expert on something because somebody sponsored him.
@PootsPastures3 жыл бұрын
We have gotten a bunch of crap for our pex plumbing videos, not sure why though it's so obvious that Pex-A is superior! Thanks for the video!
@dannybutler52193 жыл бұрын
Question, for the icemaker line, why didn't you just come straight down, rather than putting the bends in?
@likeafamily4life3 жыл бұрын
Possibly they were at the end of one length of pex and instead of placing a coupler and then 4 feet to the right, installing a tee fitting do the drop down, they just decided to put the tee in to join the two so there would be 1 less fitting in the run. That's the best reason I can think of, but yeah, I would prefer the cleaner install with fewer possibilities of accidentally hitting pluming when installing a picture, cabinet, etc.
@tomsawyer47763 жыл бұрын
Because I got lots of freebees to do it.
@number1pappy2 жыл бұрын
Yeah ,I was thinking the same thing.
@dondumitru70932 жыл бұрын
Coming in late to this question, but here are my thoughts: The icemaker line is going to a shutoff valve. The valve needs to be in that specific location, in order to be accessible. And it looks like the tubing must enter the valve box from the top due to how the box is constructed. So the supply tubing must make two bends - a bend to come right and enter the cavity where the shutoff box is, and another bend to return to the correct up-down orientation in order to match the fitting on the valve. I guess the tubing could have done those bends as 45 degree angles instead of 90 degrees, which would use a bit less tubing and avoid sharper bends. But the tube also has insulation added to it, and maybe the insulation is easier to work with and gives better coverage if the tubing goes thru the studs at 90 degrees instead of 45? I dunno. But I think the main answer to your question is to look at the fittings on the shutoff box: The tubing enters from the top.
@Wombbatts3 жыл бұрын
A MINOR YET WELL SPENT upgrade...under sink plumbing...instead of running flimsy 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 inch trap and fittings and then converting to 2 inch at the wall. Convert to 2 inch ABS pipe at the drain tailpiece and use 2 inch ABS for everything including removable trap. Sturdy, serviceable, without any of those prone to leak joints found on 1 1/2 drain fittings.
@TimKaseyMythHealer Жыл бұрын
Excellent information for a person who only needs to do this once and doesn't want to do a half ass job! Going to be checking prices & tools, or tool rental for Upanor.
@nicklk3 жыл бұрын
Apollo makes a great selection of Pex-A
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
And surely Matt has never heard of that. If that was true Matt knows nothing about the building industry!
@MichaelM-to4sg3 жыл бұрын
Very poor chloramine oxidation rating compared to Uponor
@jreyman3 жыл бұрын
Rehau is Pex-A.
@robertdemaine38183 жыл бұрын
Apollo has a PEX A product series that can be purchased at Home Depot. Some stores have it in stock, others don't. Uponor is not the only company making PEX A.
@darienredsox18783 жыл бұрын
Sioux Chief makes PEX A, as well as a PEX B that can be used with both crimp fittings and PEX A expansion fittings.
@joegasparro23953 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this channel. I watch a shit ton of KZfaq and follow hundreds of channels. I have never seen a comment section where a KZfaq creator gets more shit from their audience than this guy lol. Matt seems pretty honest to me, he says what he likes AND dislikes. why is everyone always so pissed at him in the comments ? You all understand no one can afford to keep a channel this size going without selling sponsorships and ads.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Matt has a really bad issue with tactfulness - he always uses sponsors in the most insulting and clearly delusional ways possible. He generally expects you to think the sponsorship has absolutely no role in his opinion and he would like it all the same if it wasn't free. The bottom line that isn't true for any human no matter how hard you try, if you don't have to feel the pain of purchasing it yourself then that is a big deciding factor on whether you think it is a good product or not. BMWs would be great cars if somebody else buys them for you, you'd probably give it a great review. But if you overpaid for one and it was always broken, you might have a different attitude toward the product. I agree Matt gets more shit than other people, this isn't just some weird fluke, he brings it on himself.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@treyhart6861 That entire thing has been such a disaster. It would be embarrassing for a newb to remodel/teardown/rebuild in the most expensive/confused/mind changing way possible like he has...but Matt is supposed to be a high end builder with experience. He should be embarrassed the way this remodel/rebuild/give matt free stuff contest has turned out, that's not a good look for your business in front of rich clients. It really says "I don't know what the hell I'm doing, I only use stuff people give me, and I figure it out as I go!"
@DetailCarPro3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Ryan, I'm going to disagree with you. Most of us who have done anything for 20yrs+ can tell you we all make mistakes. We continually learn from those mistakes and attempt to keep up with an ever changing market & Products. I make significantly less "mistakes" then I did when I first started as an apprentice, but I also strive to continue learning every day. Rather then being that "old school" guy who won't change his ways... My2centsworth.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@DetailCarPro Not sure what you are "disagreeing" with, I'm not talking about mistakes, I'm talking about really bad or complete lack of planning and business sense. It's not something to disagree with, Matt's house and the things he has done and said and then changed 40 times is a complete shit show. Would be one thing if he was just some guy building a house, but he's supposed to be a high end home builder. Matt has shown with his own house build how totally disconnected he is from reality. Surely something that happens when you spend too much time working for people with too much money...but Matt really isn't in their weight class himself. Even his old buddy Jordan Smith has been taking pot shots at him on his channel for not living in reality.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@treyhart6861 However you look at it his house project has been a constant shit show. He has no plan for what he is doing, he's changed it 27 times. At this point it's just whoever will give him free stuff to install. That's fine if he wants to do that for his own home, but it makes him look like a fool when he claimed the whole idea was buying it was to remodel it from youtube in a realistic way. From the very first video everybody was yelling at him and calling him a moron that doesn't understand ROI, it was not realistic in any way, and, it's only gotten worse since then. *It's very funny how many people called it, before Matt ever figured out what the hell he was doing.* Seriously, go back to the first episode and read the comments, it was hilarious. It seems like he was just using youtube as an excuse for his wife to let him buy the neighbor's house...because he seems like the kind of guy that has to ask his wife for permission.
@utubota55223 жыл бұрын
When I started using PEX, Wirsbo was the only option available to me locally. I have used Uponor extensively since. I have tired PEX-b for hydronic heat and have not had any issues, but for the reasons you stated, I prefer Uponor. Also, the heat gun allows you to replace a fitting without cutting off the pipe. Thanks for the comparison.
@MichaelM-to4sg3 жыл бұрын
Uponor is rebranded Wirsbo.
@stephenjohann95783 жыл бұрын
Matt, I think I may have mentioned this in another Pex video. Souix Chief also makes Pex-A and fittings, carried at the big green box stores. They moved manufacturing from Mexico to USA, actually here in Missouri. I don’t know how it compares to uponor, however I have plumbed my house, an auto shop, and a few other odd jobs with it with the Milwaukee expansion tool, all functioning fine. Nice I can drive 10 min. And get everything I need.
@shawnd5673 жыл бұрын
I use Sioux Chief in the Midwest! Great stuff!
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Matt knows god damn well those products exist. He forgot as a matter of convenience.
@TheDogDad3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Why you mad? You sponsored by Souix Chief or something?
@aldoogie8243 жыл бұрын
Lots of flavors. Can you do a follow up video on recirculation of the racetrack design - are you letting a newer smart heat pump water heater balance it out, or adding a recirc pump , and if so, can't that affect the trigger of heating the water at the tank? Would love to learn more about your setup. One bonus tip on going with Uponor - making the connection in a tight corner or hard to reach spot; this alone makes it worth going with Uponor fittings over crimp. ONE reason you want to go copper - if you have a rat problem. I mean address the rat problem, but if you're plumbing in an old house that's just too susceptible, rats are known to chew through pex. As always, another great video.....on the build show! p.s. if you made it this far, then go ahead and smash the like button...do it.
@MJ2020203 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Personally, I chose UPONOR and their expansion system because the clear and easy endpoint of the fitting system made me 100% confident. I never used B and always felt I was over paying a little but that being 100% confident about the connections was worth the small increase in price. You pointed out that the labor costs in fittings and time in testing each connection may even make Upon more economic.
@Appytail3 жыл бұрын
Read on PEX B F1960. The world have changed since 1980.
@mr.redneck27153 жыл бұрын
people do not get it pex B uses either type of fittings!
@Appytail3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.redneck2715 It is not PEX B that makes it expandable. It is ASTM F1960. If a PEX is ASTM F1960, Then, and only then, it is expandable. But as far as I am concerned, I know now that Matt Risinger would say anything if a sponsor ask.
@mr.redneck27153 жыл бұрын
@@Appytail i’m not sure what you’re saying but I know you can buy expandable fittings and tools for Pex B
@Appytail3 жыл бұрын
@Don Hawley "PEX A" and "PEX B" refers only to the chemestry and fabrication methods of the piping. PEX A refers to the ancient "ENGEL" method. PEX B refers to the far newer "Silane" method. ASTM F1960 (Sometime called cold expansion PEX) refers to the expandability and compatibility with such fittings. www.astm.org/Standards/F1960.htm ASTM F1807 Refers to crimping PEX: www.astm.org/Standards/F1807.htm For example Zurn PEX B is both ASTM F1960 and F1807. Meaning you can use both crimping and expandsion methods. Best of both worlds. And having a far stronger piping.
@williamdwyer33023 жыл бұрын
hitting 20 below temps last few days,cant ever remember pex ever bursting. as you stated use as few as possible fittings in walls,more home runs to main supply runs the better.still use grandpa's copper in machanical area's to stiffen up pipeing supply's.customers have confidence and like a good a strong looking material.keep it straight,level,plumb or good right angle.word of mouth is the best avertisement for good paying customers.
@carstenneustadt74543 жыл бұрын
drinking game: one shot for everytime Matt is bending one of those pipes.
@jamescole31523 жыл бұрын
No thanks, not an alcoholic.
@justinhale56983 жыл бұрын
What about Zurn's expandable Pex B?
@ozz1ful3 жыл бұрын
Sponsored by Uponor...no conflict of interest here in the assessment.
@willlemmond19093 жыл бұрын
It's superior. More cost but better product
@bobbiac3 жыл бұрын
I mean.. it's really good. He probably got a crazy discount so yeah .. bit ..
@ZombieHedgehogMakes3 жыл бұрын
@@willlemmond1909 Agreed. I'm have a small re-plumb and I'm using Pex-B because it was a bit cheaper for the crimper and pipe.
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
Take my assessment and make your own judgments. I’ve landed on Uponor as my favorite.
@davidweeres7973 жыл бұрын
He's been talking about Uponor products for almost 2 years, at least, before getting them to sponsor a video. I know this because I remember sitting in the Uponor break room at 1am watching his video talking about the product I spent 12 hours a day making... Too think that a company that he likes sponsoring him ,after seeing how supportive he is of it, means he losses credibility is asinine... You just want a reason to complain about something.
@mattstiglic3 жыл бұрын
Been installing pex since it first came out.....guess what? Either one is fine. Prefer crimp pex because I find it faster and doesn't require expensive battery operated expanders. Every bit as effective at potable water distribution. And don't start with the "uponor is true ID" nonsense either. Your shower valves have 3/8" inlets. Same with faucets etc. Just size your piping correctly and volume and pressure should be perfect. Good uponor commercial though.
@JS-hl1oc3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. How often are you going to find a heat gun in the field during plumbing? Why would the ID of the fitting matter when the flow is controlled by the end fixture that is 3/8". I've been making pex pipe and fittings for various leading manufacturers in the US for years. He does not understand the science. A1V1 =A2V2.
@JS-hl1oc3 жыл бұрын
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@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@JS-hl1oc There's a lot more Matt doesn't understand than science. You can tell by his delusional beliefs in taking the bible as a literal text book...anybody who can do that is delusional and does not base anything on their life in "facts". In Matt's head, more expensive = more better, just because it's more expensive. (And they gave him some for free!)
@jamescole31523 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 You think you evolved from ocean slime.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@jamescole3152 That's got to be one of the stupidest insults I have ever hard.
@Hangovna3 жыл бұрын
The great part about PEX A is if you mess up and need to take the connection apart, you simply cut the white ring with a razor and heat it up with a heat gun, it opens right up and pops off. Can reuse the expensive fittings at will. SOOOOO much easier than copper!
@feral6642 жыл бұрын
Uponor was the first of the non push fittings to fail on your pressure test. Don't forget to mention that just because they sponsor the video
@DetailCarPro3 жыл бұрын
As a plumber for 25yrs I can also bring up another point with Pex A vs B. Pex A you expand the pipe for fittings which means that the memory of the pipe is making those fittings stronger. Also with Pex B if you do not oversize the system accounting for the flow restriction of fittings (since they fit inside the pipe) and use a crimp fitting. You asking for callbacks in regards to pressure at certain fixtures. No such worry with Pex A as the fittings present no restriction/reduction. (Sorry posted this before watching end of video) =P
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
Excellent points!
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
And as a plumber since the late 80's I've never since a pex-b job that was plumbed right have a problem because the angle stop or straight stop drops down in size alot more than the fitting so if any one who's ever had a lost in pressure because of using Pex-b fittings the plumber was a hack or and didn't plumb by code or there water pressure is to weak to begin with ,and any real plumber will tell you the same thing I just said the fittings on PEX-a is a Selling point and yes I do use expansion fittings but I've never seen the lost of pressure with Pex-a crimp fittings unless the house was plumbed wrong ,think about it supply lines less than 1/4 inch in diameter.
@shawnd5673 жыл бұрын
You won't see or feel a noticable difference plumbing with pex b vs pex a expansion fittings. Viega pex ran a test and the flow only dropped 1-5% using like a dozen fittings. Idk about you, but the vast majority of my pex runs are maybe a handful of fittings and rarely hit peak usage like in their testing. In reality, you won't see any difference and don't need to size up pipe.
@micruner51633 жыл бұрын
Can you use crimp with Pex A? Or it must be used with the expansion fittings?
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
@@micruner5163 yes you can use both crimp rings or original expansion rings I've used viega sleeves many time for plumbing repairs.
@thomassheppard26903 жыл бұрын
Why not compare Uponor PEX A with expansion fittings to Zurn PEX B with expansion fittings? Seems like a better comparison.
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
True story I've use Uponor a long time and just started using Zurn and I like Zurn better so far because it is a stronger tubing and doesn't leach a chemical taste in the pipe and I'm able to use my hundreds of Uponor fittings on Zurn pipe , if I find out I don't like it in the future I can switch back and still use the same fittings, I can say the expansion ring are a lot better they have a real stop , I buy rings buy the hundreds and the last batch of Uponor expansion rings the stops didn't work ever time I would expand the 3/4 pipe the ring would slip and I'd have to cut the pipe and start over it was a damn nightmare trying to use the 3/4 rings I must have thrown 60 or 70 rings away looking for rings that the stop would actually stop instead of slipping.
@jacksak3 жыл бұрын
@@plumbbuild6517 Somewhere else here I asked about leaching, so I'm glad you mentioned it. I'm amazed that anyone would use a pipe or tube where plastic chemicals leach into the water. If that's the case, I'd never install the plastic. I'd rather have copper in my system.
@swneighbours2 жыл бұрын
Apollo and Sharkbite are now making Pex-A tubing and fittings which you can get from the blue and orange stores. I still did my house with Pex-B.
@jack_brooks3 жыл бұрын
I'll go to Uponor when they get the power expander below $200 and get the pipe into the big box stores.
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
Fair points
@thaitichi3 жыл бұрын
Yup. As good as uponor is, pex B and its fittings are widely available.
@PhotonHerald3 жыл бұрын
You can get the manual for under $100. If you want the power expander, and already have a battery system you're using, you can get the tool for around $270. Yes, if you're just doing one job with it, that's a waste of money. If you plan on doing multiple PEX projects, the term you're looking for is "ammortization".
@AndrewMiguelez3 жыл бұрын
@@PhotonHerald If you're doing one job, they have decent resale value. Selling it for 2/3 its MSRP would be like renting it for a day, but you could keep it for a year and use it as much as you want first. I'm a cheapskate, but if the tool cost is the problem, I see ways around that.
@mdhofstee3 жыл бұрын
On the Pexuniverse site they sell Pex-A but its under the Sioux Chief brand so there is other Pex-A providers just not like Pex-B where on the site they have Viega, Sioux Chief, and Everhot.
@muskaos3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the brand I bought from Pexuniverse when I bought the supplies to replace the steel pipe I had with PEX. Did not get the power expander, used the manual one, because I'm not going to spend that much on a one off tool.
@GeorgeFrick3 жыл бұрын
Of course Uponor is better; but there is nothing wrong with Pex B. I'd do Pex A if I were having someone build a home for me and I had seven figures.... you know... someone like Matt. But it's been taking all of the fun and information out of the show having you only suggest top tier stuff like this. It's not informative; it's just a commercial... and more and more episodes have been this way.
@RaddestDad3 жыл бұрын
I’m a lowly construction worker and I did all the plumbing in my house with Pex A and expansion fittings from Sioux Chief.
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
I agree that PEXb is good too. I’ve used it successfully for 20 years. I simply think Uponor has some advantages. What do you mean by “top tier” ? expensive ? Doesn’t seem that way to me except for the pricey one time tool purchase.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@buildshow The tool is more, the pipe is more, the fittings are more, because they're all brand name stamped and patented. That's what you're paying for. How can you be unaware that all the parts, including the tool, cost more?
@PhotonHerald3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Feel free to start an Uponor PEX-A competitor and drive the prices down. Matt is a high-end builder. And on most of his projects, there's a LOT of money involved. And if spending more up front cuts down on labor costs *AND* prevents him from having to come back to a project to FIX something during the warranty period on a home, it saves time (i.e. MONEY) in the long run. He's not recommending this stuff because because "Hey! Look at the price tag I can put on it!". He's recommending it because, from his perspective, he thinks it is a better product. He's not running a "How to build a crappy shack for as little money as you can get away with." channel. And nobody's saying you have to take the "top shelf" option on everything when YOU build. But, if you want to put SPECIAL care and focus into certain aspects of YOUR home build/rebuild? Maybe go for a better option on JUST those certain aspects.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@PhotonHerald You're an idiot. You have totally missed the point. I was responding to Matt's comment directly, he doesn't appear to understand that this product cost more than the others. He seems to have this problem on a recurring basis.
@CRE8TEDbyGod3 жыл бұрын
Didn’t the uponor pipe burst first in the video about pressure testing?
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
Pressure yes. Freezing no
@grocerysmart Жыл бұрын
I dont think the heat gun repairs the weak point of the kink, but it may restore the shape. Give that pipe a super high pressure test on a bench and see where the failure happens....
@jaredford76973 жыл бұрын
Very excited to see the full tour of the plumbing system
@supernova89623 жыл бұрын
I'm from NYC...I study plumbing.... the best plumbing I think is the best is in Massachusetts. They know there stuff ...Every state is different. FYI Pex is still not legal in NYC ... and part of California. There is a reason why.
@patrickletham91103 жыл бұрын
REHAU is easily the better system. Better warranty and immediate pressurization are 2 of the better options upon or can't offer
@joeltell84843 жыл бұрын
There warranty is only their word , but I still love their product
@footlongburrito3 жыл бұрын
@mattrisinger another fact that is equally important. It spends its service life as the only pipe that will continue to become water tight, squeezing tighter forever. No other pipe period can do that.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Right...other pipes are just permanently solvent welded or soldered or use mechanical threads. FAR more "tight" than any shrinking plastic!
@fritzwang63003 жыл бұрын
I like that you can't dry fit expansion pex. How many of us out there have dry fit some crimp fittings and missed crimping one of the rings, only to find it the hard way when you re-pressurize the line.
@shawnd5673 жыл бұрын
"I don't even know if another company makes pex-a." Such a shill for uponor you don't even look elsewhere. Sioux chief makes powerpex A and it's like half of uponor. I use it all the time. Reading the forum it looks like Apollo and Reheu make pex A as well.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
But he must have done research on the product to come to the independent conclusion that it's better right? The fact that they paid him probably has nothing to do with it. And I still believe in the tooth fairy.
@jasonbuter94933 жыл бұрын
and wirsbo
@joeltell84843 жыл бұрын
Rehau invented pex a piping
@AnthonyBrusca3 жыл бұрын
It could just be what's available in his area
@MichaelM-to4sg3 жыл бұрын
@@joeltell8484 Not true. Wirsbo invented PexA. Wirsbo has been rebranded as Uponor several years ago
@brent10413 жыл бұрын
I personally think the main reason plumbers use uponor is because of the special tool needed to expand it. If any home owner wanted to fix or add anything in later they don’t have that tool, so they just hire a plumber. But with pex B a $20 crimper and your good to go and diy that water softener or water heater replacement yourself.
@DrD64523 жыл бұрын
You can buy a manual Pex A expander tool for $100 on Amazon. It comes with 1/2", 3/4" and 1" heads plus the cutting tool and it works great. The down side is you have to rotate the head for each pump whereas the power expanders rotate the head for you.
@Vikingstw3 жыл бұрын
This might be the case but trust me if you are a plumber you don't want to be under a crawl space using a crimp tool when you can be using an expander tool. I got two crimp tools and and an expander tool. Expander tool is king and by far easier to use IMO.
@vhannroy3 жыл бұрын
Though there was some good information in this, I feel it is pretty dirty to have one of the products be a sponsor of the video. I respect what you do but this one was just a bit too slimy.
@dokenboken55423 жыл бұрын
What's really dirty is not disclosing the sponsorship in an upfront manner. Unlike many KZfaqrs, I believe Matt when he says he thinks something is the best.
@vhannroy3 жыл бұрын
@@dokenboken5542 he is required to by youtube policy. It is not something noble he did
@Dunkdamonk3 жыл бұрын
@@vhannroy ok besides the sponsor of video and the maker of video.... the only system your gonna find any up to date plumber or hvac guy using is uponor. Uponor pro pex is the dominant player with their expansion system for potable and non potable/heating applications. I get what your saying but this is just a video telling people who don't know already what is best in the field. Rehau has recently come out with a better overall expansion style pex with superior specs all across the board, but it is still trying to get its name out there. Most of those specs won't concern the majority of homeowners anyway though. They help for the installers for the most part
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@Dunkdamonk Of course the guy installing it who paid for the ungodly expensive crimp tool and can appreciate it's flexibility better likes it...does the homeowner care about any of that?
@Dunkdamonk3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 were you asking something?
@BlackhawkPilot3 жыл бұрын
Looks like a good way to fix the OEM mess in my RV.
@pulporock3 жыл бұрын
In Oz many brands sell Pex A pipe. But Uponor left Oz, after only 18mths. Yep the best system, loved it since I first used it.
@FranciscoTChavez3 жыл бұрын
I've managed to uncrimp things that people said were permanently crimped via kinking. I did it by slowly messaging the pipe back into shape by slowly applying increasing force (in a messaging like motion with my finger tips, without pushing too hard) on the apposing sides at the points where they're at their hardest to cause the shape to bow out at the point where it's been crimped inwards. I've never done this with PEX (so I don't know how that would fair), but I have done this to deformable plastic pipes that weren't meant to be bent. The process does take a minute or two once you find the right amount of force to slowly cause the pipe to deform back into shape.
@reddbeard20303 жыл бұрын
Has there ever been a study that shows how much erosion happens with the different brands of pex? How much plastic ends up in the water, cold & hot?
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
None.
@reddbeard20303 жыл бұрын
I hope someone will see this and find out this info. Most of us have micro plastic particles floating around in our bodies as it is.
@Dracopendragon0133 жыл бұрын
There have been leaching tests that show uponor pex-a releasing a chemical into the water, don't remember what the chemical was. Pex-b on the other hand doesn't leach at all.
@reddbeard20303 жыл бұрын
@@Dracopendragon013 How about "micro particles"?
@Dracopendragon0133 жыл бұрын
@@reddbeard2030 not that i know of
@DAMMDAUGHTERS3 жыл бұрын
Very excited to see the race track system on your house! Many videos on PEXa manifold systems, but none that I've found on a racetrack. It makes a whole lot of sense, but I really want to see it!
@maxcondra49912 жыл бұрын
The uponor fittings are full port since you have to expand the pipe to make the connection so its more like copper and you won't have restrictions at the fittings
@georgedavall94493 жыл бұрын
PEX B is actually stronger, just lacks the expand ability and flexibility of PEX A. Is PEX A / Uponor the way to go? Yes, if you can afford or borrow the $500.00 M12 Milwaukee Uponor expander tool, and if you have access to place that sells PEX A. For the average Joe, PEX B with the barb fittings and crimp tool Matt used in this video ( blue handled SharkBite brand) works quite well, and is very reliable, and more affordable! If done right, I.e. follow the instructions carefully, the connections are very strong and reliable. Make a few practice crimps before doing the actual fitting. An exception to what Matt said; the PEX that snakes through the wall directly behind him, could be done with PEX B. PEX B can safely handle a 4-5 inch radius, and there are bend supports that facilitate such bends. This video has some useful information, but misses the mark, IMO. YMMV Peace
@00HiGhGuY003 жыл бұрын
The only problem with pex-A is due to to it's softness, it will leach more chemicals into the water. I was always under the impression that pex-A was the only type that you could use expansion fittings on. However, recently I learned of a company (Zurn) that makes pex-b with expansion fittings. This is most likely what I'll use when I build my house. I'll be using a whole house RO filtration system, and it seems counterproductive to make ultra pure water but them use piping that leeches chemicals back into the water.
@pwhsbuild3 жыл бұрын
What chemicals are being leached?
@alwaysfrosty25412 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m glad I was trained to pipe in commercial settings and not residential. How are you going to insulate your pipes when you drill a 5/8” hole for 1/2” pex? Always over size your holes for full size insulation on your piping
@michaelbryant40263 жыл бұрын
Pex B by Zurn can do both with the same pipe!
@williamshields9723 жыл бұрын
Why is the water line to the ice maker insulated?
@dfw_motorrad13293 жыл бұрын
"All the flavors of PEX" Cherry, blueberry. Sometimes there's plain. Not nearly as tasty.
@richardglazer78133 жыл бұрын
Of course Uponor your favourite they are sponsoring. They are good though. There are others....
@gardengatesopen3 жыл бұрын
What about a comparison on chemical composition of the pipes? And what kind of reactions happen with the plastic and chlorine, & chloramine, does anyone know? If one type of pipe is more flexible, then there MUST be SOME composition differences. Safety in plastics with our water is important. Sometimes these things may be overlooked by manufacturers. Or not? I dunno. Tell me! Here's Why: These pipes are carrying our water to the showers, where there is often steam made with the water, and having plastic chemicals leaching into the water from the pipes can be very unhealthy with breathing in chemically loaded steam. ▪︎ Then of coarse the obvious: drinking water, and water that's used to clean dishes we eat off of. I just want to know what plastic chemicals are being used. AND how do they react with the different chemicals water companies are adding to our city water. Yes, all cities may be different in which chemicals they use. However, I've heard of the chemical chloramine is being used instead of chlorine, (it's cheaper) and it has been having all kinds of chemical reactions with different metal water pipes. It's really not good. Actually, it's worse than not good, it's poisonous as an end result. So I'm just wondering what kind of reactions happen with plastic pipes, and different water chemicals? I know it's a big question. But water is a big part of life.
@ragtop503 жыл бұрын
Apollo makes PEX A as well, as it is the brand most available in my area (actually at Home Depot, which is a surpride). But I agree, PEX A is the way to go!
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
And Matt damn well knows this...
@MrJramirex3 жыл бұрын
There are other Pex A manufacturers. Mr Pex, Sioux Chief to name a couple. Zurn makes some Pex B that can be expanded just like Uponor. I love the way you plumbed your house except for the water heater part. That's a bunch of fittings in such a small area.
@jwblount78023 жыл бұрын
All pex B can be expanded. It's purpose is to give options to use expansion fittings or crimp fittings
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
@@jwblount7802 that may be true not sure but I did put a section of PEX b on my own hot water line that was white on the out side and had a black liner not sure what brand it was but I did expand it and its been holding up for around 5 months so far I've been meaning to replace it but I had ran out of Uponor, but seens then I've started using Zurn
@jwblount78023 жыл бұрын
@@plumbbuild6517 I use Zurn 99% of the time on my houses that I plumb. I crimp all the time but sometimes my customers buy faucets or whatever that require expansion pex B covers both. Whether you use crimp or expansion you get 15 to 25 year warranty from the pex pipe company. The white pipe with the black linen I used to use a while back and it was Pex B as well and I have that 10 plus years with that pipe with no problems.
@plumbbuild65173 жыл бұрын
@@jwblount7802 yeah I just switched to zurn so far it's great it may just be my new go to tubing thank for your comment about zurn I think I'm going to like it ,I use uponor for many years but sometimes you have to make a change
@elbuggo3 жыл бұрын
What should be used more often is bend supports. Can save you a few extra connections.
@guytech73103 жыл бұрын
Cannot use bend supports in tight places or through studs.
@Vikingstw3 жыл бұрын
I love the bend supports use em all the time.
@jeffreydevoti70003 жыл бұрын
As the President of The International Brotherhood of Rats & Mice (IBRM), our membership reports PEX is the favorite piping system to keep our collective teeth sharp.
@JW773 жыл бұрын
I just did the calculation for you. Cross-section area of 0.61" circle is 60% larger than 0.48".
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
OK, so bump the size up one. WTF is the problem?
@Mrcaffinebean3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 run 1in pex instead of 3/4? That is a lot of added cost and complexity just to get the same performance as pex a.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@Mrcaffinebean PEX A is more expensive also. What are you doing with all that water anyway? 3/4" PEX B with fittings should be plenty for most household purposes. Anything above 3/4" PEX B is usually the wrong choice for hot water applications and overkill for any interior cold water usage.
@MichaelM-to4sg3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Depends on application. We typically run 1” or 3/4” main recirculation “racetrack” line for hot water, depending upon size of home & hot water demand. We run a 2nd 1” to hydronic manifolds as most homes we build here in high Rockies are in-floor hydronic heated. 1” PexA is pretty easy to handle in 2x6 wood framing. 1.25” PexB is required for similar volume capacity which is much, much stiffer making installation more laborious and subject to kinks just fishing lines.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelM-to4sg Sounds like a pretty large home, not typical for most Americans. My main water line is only 3/4" with a bunch of fittings that restrict flow, anything bigger than that wouldn't really add anything to my house. 3/4:" water meters are pretty standard in the US, 1" and bigger are for the fancy pants people. And I must say, it's still quite a bit of water for multiple users.
@lolMyke3 жыл бұрын
All great points and it’s the truth. You’ve got it figured out in my opinion Matt! Pex-A .. 3/4 trunk and 1/2 branch with hot water recirc 👌👌
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Love this setup. So happy I did my house this way.
@BK-fy2xi3 жыл бұрын
The only problem with trunk and branch is the popularity of on demand water heaters...If your the kind of person who will stick with a tank style then it is solid gold
@supernova89623 жыл бұрын
But this is standard when you up the size... you can not go 1/2" Pex to 3/8" pex return you know why....cause it dont exist in Pex... your 3/4" Pex is really 1/2" ...People are under sizing the whole piping system.
@MedoKojiZiviOvde3 жыл бұрын
For anybody worrying about microplastics in your water, the harder the plastic the less likely you'll have microplastics in your water.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Also stop being an idiot about inert food grade plastic that passes harmlessly out of your shit. Kind of like eating a penny.
@MedoKojiZiviOvde3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 asbestos, silicon dust are also inert...
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@MedoKojiZiviOvde But those particles are harmful to breathe, this is a proven fact. There are no facts to support PEX is bad for you, and it isn't going in your lungs. It goes out the shit hole, which is a very different process. You can literally eat an entire bowl of ground up PEX, it won't hurt you. It's cute how you hit the thumbs up on your own posts. Actually, I think pathetic is the word for that... Have you noticed nobody agrees with you?
@MedoKojiZiviOvde3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 Asbestos and silicon dust weren't proven to be harmful for over 2 millennia of usage. It was recognized as harmful only 50 years ago which is nothing considering to the scale of human society. Microplastics and nanoparticles physically have very similar properties as the other two. If you read about some scientific articles on the subject perhaps you would you would be more informed. Using insults as argumentation sure proves your level of education. I'm a chemical engineer by trades and occupation health and safety specialist just to let you know.
@madprunes3 жыл бұрын
@@MedoKojiZiviOvde what would you prefer to use then copper, ever heard of copper toxicity? Science has come a long way they now have much better equipment to determine risk factors, so unless you are going to go stainless steel pipes PEX is the best option.
@aspees Жыл бұрын
There is a class action lawsuit against Uponor for defective pex tubing. The red & blue become damaged from the inside.
@hanko57503 жыл бұрын
I have used PEX B .. nevermore. Currently I am replacing 70+ year old plumbing in "this old house" and I am using PEX A for a variety of reasons: Flexibility. Ability to connect a fitting inside of a tight space where accessing with a crimping tool would be impossible. Memory; if you kink PEX A .. just heat it up, need to change out a fitting .. just heat it up, PEX A will go back to original shape. And yup I ran Uponor .. but they didn't sponsor me. ;) I used all brass fittings as they can be reused, whereas the plastic are one use fittings. Oh and I have a DeWalt expansion tool. One last thing. When bending the PEX you are not putting crimps in the tubing, you are kinking the tubing. LoL!! Just picking on ya Matt! But with PEX A when someone would say its kinked I would say .. What kink!? ;)
@McCuneWindandSolar3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to tell you why I recommend Uponor, because i'm sponsored by Uponor. But if I have to spend more money on specialty tools then I don't want it.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
I hate it when I have to spend my own money on things!! Products that are free are always so much higher quality.
@shawnd5673 жыл бұрын
Real world testing on pex b vs expansion fittings so a very small difference in flow. (1-5%) The other thing I noticed is pex a fittings may have a larger ID, but they are much longer than pex b fittings. So the restriction of pex b is discernable.
@shahsmerdis3 жыл бұрын
But they all have much smaller ID's than copper counter parts . Which actually Is a noticeable difference for half inch. You cant really run a long line with half inch pex without noticable headloss
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@shahsmerdis PEX B flows just as much as any other pipe product, you just have to choose the right size. Yes, the nominal size is a bit smaller than traditional pipes...so use one size up. If you can't figure that out you shouldn't be plumbing anything.
@shawnd5673 жыл бұрын
@@shahsmerdis The ID is indeed smaller than it's copper equivalent but there's a key difference, no fittings or sharp turns. Pex bends and curves without a fitting, giving it much better flow characteristics. You can run 10gpm through 1/2 pex, which is far more than you'd ever need through that pipe.
@aron69983 жыл бұрын
Take a shot every time he says flavor....I dare ya lol
@jamescole31523 жыл бұрын
Alky ^^^
@michiganengineer86213 жыл бұрын
I like the flexibility of the Uponor system, I do NOT like the cost of the required installation tool! Most new builds are going to take the flow restrictions of the standard PEX fitting into consideration and go up a size in piping to compensate so that isn't a real factor. However, on your "kink test" I'd like to see a PRESSURE test done with that section of tubing. Dollars to donuts, if that section is going to fail it _WILL_ fail where it was bent and then heated.
@skliros92353 жыл бұрын
The tool will pay for itself on the first job in labor savings. Even with that kink, most water supplies don't get high enough of pressure to be of concern.
@Jesse-gv9tf3 жыл бұрын
Pex-A is the best. The ease of installation, the cost of materials and labor reduction is amazing. I've seen galvanized and copper burst. I haven't seen it with pex-a.
@JadeDragon407 Жыл бұрын
Good option if you're a plumber, do a lot of plumbing or doing a build like you are there. The expansion tools looks to be $600, which is a heck of an investment for something that would rarely be used in the realm of home repair; kind of a down side about it.
@kidalwys3 жыл бұрын
I like pex b and viega pure flow system.
@c4n4d43 жыл бұрын
Why I think uponor is the clear winner... THIS VIDEO SPONSORED BY UPONOR not a bad thing just poking fun. Also, why do you insulate cold water supply lines?
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
It’s indeed a sponsored video, but you should know that I reached out to them for sponsorship as I truly believed it was the winner and I wanted for my build.
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
I only insulted hot. Except for a few cold lines in exterior walls. (I’m in TX and have 2” of exterior insulation FYI)
@c4n4d43 жыл бұрын
@@buildshow Yea I noticed you insulated the hose feed out to your porch aswell. Thanks for the response, love what you're doing. I'd love to get into it here in the SF Bay Area but stuck in my basement for the last year pretending to enjoy civil engineering. Much rather be out on site making high performance and long lasting builds. Let me know of any job openings :D Looking forward to more videos on the house progress
@chrisv_b3 жыл бұрын
Did you attempt to correct “kink”in both? Only showed one in the video? Plus the 2 minutes heating, getting the heat gun, etc would cost more in labour then a fitting? Cost comparison and ease of use, install, and complete package with fittings and so would be helpful?
@buildshow3 жыл бұрын
It can’t be repaired on the PEXb. Fair points on labor. I could see a run of pipe going a long distance and getting a kink in one spot after spending 10 min getting it run. Better to repair then add another fitting in my mind.
@chrisv_b3 жыл бұрын
@@buildshow understood, thanks for clarifying.
@DetailCarPro3 жыл бұрын
Part of the demonstration has other real world applications. Say you pipe freezes but doesn't burst. On Pex A the frozen pipe will return to original over time. Pex B you would have to repair the freeze expansion section of pipe (due to weakening) even if it didn't burst.
@cryalowicki3 жыл бұрын
As an editorial note, I don't think you're doing your brand a service by doing this kind of comparison on a sponsored video. I think it really hurts your credibility. You didn't frontload the sponsor disclosure at the beginning, and I'll bet that less than 25% of people watching this video are going to make it to the end with the disclosure. I'm not saying this to hurt you, I'm a huge fan and you've taught me a ton about building science. But I don't think this is the right direction for you and your company to go. Just my two cents and I'm open to hear an opposing viewpoint.
@marcostankless75262 жыл бұрын
what I can't find on KZfaq is how best to connect new Upanor to old Upanor. Like what if a home has Upanor from 10 years ago and you want to tie in with something. Would you do something about that? I contacted Upanor but they never replied. Another thing is that Upanor may be the best of the Pex, but it is still not 3/4" inside diameter like Copper. So there will be some reduction of flow as compared to copper. If you measure a Upanor 1" plastic fitting, you will see 3/4" inside diameter. I guess that means we should all really be plumbing with 1" Upanor instead of 3/4" but no one does that, except for mainline & water softener loops, etc.
@scind25853 жыл бұрын
A class action lawsuit was filed in Colorado in July 2021. This lawsuit alleges that the blue and red colored Uponor is defective. And the arguments and exhibits in the lawsuit are stunning. The red and blue Uponor Pex is allegedly only a coating. In order to get the coating to adhere to the PEX the tubing is heated. This heating process degrades the PEX and drastically shortens its like. Allegedly. UPONOR is a small Finish company. My review of their financials tells me that this lawsuit, unless dismissed by the court, could be devastating.
@angelmaldonado79673 жыл бұрын
That's a plumbers dream. Fewer fittings equals fewer places a leak can form. The most likely place a leak will occur is at a fitting.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Plumbers LOVE leaks....that's what pays the bills....
@ttfweb13 жыл бұрын
In the end, the best would be the least expensive- total cost - that meets the spec: reliably get you the needed water where you want it for a long time. The other “emotional” arguments you present with numbers don’t really “hold water” - pun intended. I’m an engineer, so I have to be logical. Nice video.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Could not agree more. Spec it to work properly, use the cheapest material that will accomplish this spec. Anything else is a stupid waste. But it's pretty obvious that Matt does not understand the concept of ROI. And hell, if you get it all free why not use the most expensive stuff and then brag to everybody how it's better? Matt *LOVES* to brag...
@Shakrii3 жыл бұрын
Have to disagree with this logic. Meeting spec dose not mean it has to last (unless your goal is planed obsolescent) especially considering the costs of replacement (talking in general, not this video in particular) will frequently end up being more expensive than using better quality parts that exceeded spec to begin with. While I enjoy his videos, the frequency of major flaws and comments about materials independent of increased cost (that are not financially viable for many) get tiring.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@Shakrii You are incorrect. If something properly "meets spec" for said purpose, then it is a good product, and there should be no reason to believe it would ever need to be replaced within the expected lifetime of a house. "Meets spec" doesn't mean "use the cheapest shit you can find". There's a place in the middle where you can find quality products, without spending triple what everybody else does, but it won't be the cheapest way to do things either. Example: PEX A and PEX B have the same life expectancy. PEX A is not in any way more reliable than PEX B, it will not last any longer. You can argue the fittings flow more, though if you "spec" it correctly, that is choose the correct size, it wouldn't matter if you use PEX A, B, C, or Q. No matter what kind of pipe you use, it probably will not last 200 years. The problem with Matt is he thinks this high end shit should be in absolutely every house, including the 99% of people who can't afford it. And then he talks down to all the "normals" who don't have this high end stuff, and also are the majority of his viewers. The vast majority of his viewers are not rich people, they live in normal spec houses, if that. The reality is he's building a $600k house that will be worth $500k when he's done. That's why everybody keeps saying Matt has no idea what ROI means, and as a result, can't be a very good businessman. He's also the wrong person to get plumbing advice from, he's not a plumber, nor does his business employ a plumber. He doesn't build anything either, he sits behind a desk, that's what his experience is in. If I need to know how to make a conference call, Matt's the guy to ask! If you do a little googling about net worth and years in business, you might find Matt isn't the builder he wants you to think he is. It's sugar momma paying for all this stuff, and donations like some kind of homeless person. He wouldn't be using this stuff either if he had to pay full price like everybody else.
@jameschupp22303 жыл бұрын
Although brass uponor fittings are better, than the plastic uponor fittings? Is it worth the cost? Are you 100% comfortable the plastic uponor fittings won't crack in the corners? like on the t's
@thebackwoodsmechanic50293 жыл бұрын
Uponor flexibility is great. If it does get kinked you can use heat guns to work it out unlike other Pex. Less fittings is money and less fittings reduce how mucch you reduce your water flow. Uponor fittings always try to squeeze to its fitting and it saves you money on a buying fittings, your most expensive cost over the initial tool investment . . Uponor does expand and tries to reduce to its normal size . Uponor always tries to reduce to its original size. I'm a tradesman so I've dealt with all aspects of plumbing at some point. Pex fittings work fine if you upside the tubing to compensate for the flow. The stainless steel route is fast and good in tight places but crimping copper rings holds better but the tools are one expensive . They are better then pvc / cpvc but I personally like copper for durability
@effervescence56643 жыл бұрын
Use Pex-B almost exclusively when not using copper and overall find it faster than using Pex-A due to the time it takes for the tool to expand when comparing to the crimp or sharkbite style fittings on Pex=B. Had a couple occasions when Pex-A contracted and actually pushed the barbs out but someone should always be following behind and checking joints and all joints should realistically be put in a maintainable location regardless of your preferred installation material.
@PeterSLusk2 жыл бұрын
I notice Uponor has stopped distributing the red and blue versions of their PEX A due to lawsuits. Apparently the process Uponor uses to add color to the pipe causes the exterior of the pipe to become brittle and as a result, over time, may crack and leak. At least that's what the lawsuits claim. There must be some truth to it, else why else would Uponor discontinue the blue and red versions of their PEX? The unpainted, or white, version is still for sale and is not part of the lawsuit. Have any of you seen or experienced any failures? I started to remodel part of my house and have installed some Uponor red & blue, but think I will replace it with the white unpainted version while the walls are still open.
@jreyman3 жыл бұрын
Matt, REHAU is the only other competition to Upanor. Any differences between the two PEX-A brands is rather insignificant. Both are PEX-A, and both have all of the same advantages over PEX B and C, including making long runs, without using lots of couplings.
@tnnutcase7259 Жыл бұрын
@matt risinger Can you do a review of PE-RT tubing and real world use of Smartclick connectors?
@willlemmond19093 жыл бұрын
Everyone hating on Matt for being sponsored by a product he uses anyway. Pex A is far superior but comes with an upfront cost. In reality it's probably the same or as cheap with risks of crimp fittings or cinch fittings that are more prone to leaks.
@Xiph19803 жыл бұрын
No, it's not that he's sponsored by a brand he uses, it's because he's sponsored by a brand in a video where he specifically compares that brand to competitors. There's obvious conflict of interests there. I'm not saying U is a bad product, but they sure won't greenlight this video if a completely balanced review turned out they would not end up on top.
@Xiph19803 жыл бұрын
To clarify, normally in a video like this, you'll maybe get a sponsorship for a crimping tool manufacturer that's related to the comparison, but doesn't cause one side to have a vested interest in, _and_ the means to influence, the outcome.
@ricbada58062 жыл бұрын
Matt that link i sent is from the guy who first started using type A in the states you may find it interesting. BTW I really enjoy your episodes find them very educational easy to follow & really appreciate that you only use quality parts and devices ect , thank you for your shows God bless 🙏.
@jeffllord41683 жыл бұрын
Pex a all day , way faster/ very easy to work work. Don't expand in cold temps tho that's when u get leaks. Coming from Canada Ontario
@gregerthal50123 жыл бұрын
Sioux Chief and Rehau also make pex a pipe. Nothing wrong with Uponor, but its also the most expensive pex a out there.
@jacobframe87693 жыл бұрын
"I'll be honest" is a phrase that just bothers the hell out of me.
@SupremeRuleroftheWorld3 жыл бұрын
its the salesman/womans version of "i am not racist, but....". because the next thing they will say is a load of BS.
@joelpage41653 жыл бұрын
And stop saying Flavor!
@supernova89623 жыл бұрын
That so true...so does that mean he's been lying most of the time. I be honest...but I will lie about the products I'm using cause I'm getting it for free.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@supernova8962 No question, Matt is full of shit, anybody that thinks he is unbiased is clearly stupid. And quite HONESTLY, Matt often isn't very honest!
@somedude-lc5dy3 жыл бұрын
don't forget the importance of being able to run to the hardware store to get more fittings to finish the job.
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
Plenty of other companies like Apollo and others make PEX A and the associated fittings, Matt just conveniently "forgot" that numerous other brands exist that he damn well knows about. You can buy fittings at larger sized Lowes/Home Depot.
@somedude-lc5dy3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 , I've been to many lowes and home depot stores in 3 states and never seen pexA. What store are you talking about?
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@somedude-lc5dy I'm not going to list every Lowes/HD in the US. They exist. They also sell it on their websites.
@somedude-lc5dy3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 , I'm not trying to call you out. I'm genuinely curious. I've never seen expansion pex in a lowes or home depot, and I've like to know what areas have it. website ordering isn't helpful, there are lots of places to get expansion pex, likely cheaper than lowes/hd. so, if you please, can you tell me what state/region you're finding expansion pex?
@ryanroberts11043 жыл бұрын
@@somedude-lc5dy I am not the stock manager at Home Depot/Lowes. They sell these products, I don't know where you are or what stupid stores you're going to. Both Home Depot and Lowes operate different kinds of stores, they are not all the same, usually in larger cities they have more professional type products. They DO in fact sell these things. And even a store that doesn't stock them, can probably order them. Also if you can't be bothered to look on the internet, that's how you find the stock at a local Lowes/HD. I'm not going to do that for you. They will literally tell you exactly what is available at your store, and if you want something that isn't, you can find which store does have it. Of course, there are lots of other places besides Lowes and Home Depot. Anywhere you find those stores, there is probably a plumbing supply house nearby.
@ltsgarage77803 жыл бұрын
The very Best PEX system is Copper piping. Nothing Better!!!!!
@Xiph19803 жыл бұрын
Dude, seriously?? You're doing an A vs B comparison, sponsored by A? That's..... well, a new low really. By all means get sponsorship, I don't mind, but this is just full blown shilling. Pretty pathetic. I'm just one person so my opinion really doesn't mean that much, but to me you pretty much lost all credibility.
@mitchdenner97433 жыл бұрын
He's just showing facts about the differences between the two. Don't worry you can still make your own choice.
@probst99999999993 жыл бұрын
Meh the slimy thing to do would be to not admit that it was sponsored. Everything he said seems like a reasonable conclusion based on the demonstrations.
@PhotonHerald3 жыл бұрын
He's done A/B comparisons EXACTLY like this before. He's done fitting tests as well. This one happened to be about the product he's putting in his house. As it focused primarily on the Uponor stuff, he asked Uponor to sponsor.
@MrRosalez233 жыл бұрын
we are all in acknowledgment that the Pex A was burned and it will never change its color back
@JLT23422 жыл бұрын
Love to watch your videos, you always have a clear and easy understand explanation. Can I make a two connections on the 3 inch long piece (in other word can I expand at two ends of the 3 in long piece of Pex A)?
@markthomas4083 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@dwdirt3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bust your bubble but Apollo makes Pex A as well and it’s much cheaper than Uponor and it’s available at the Home Depot