I think what it comes, sadly in the tma community a lot, down to is that people think drills like chi sau or any kind of partner technique equals to sparring, which is really not the case, no matter what kind of sparring you do, geared or bareknuckle etc..., we need to transfer the knowledge and mind muscle connections to free form sparring in order to make ANY technique work... otherwhise we are training for any other purpose but not for fighting

I think that a Wing Chun fighter's best defense against a grappler is "butterfly swords". 😆

Thats the best fighter to have ever lived. The notorious Wong Shun Leung. "Gong sau Wong" king of talking with the hands.

@izzowingchun this is a really enlightening video...I trained in an aggressive WC school years ago. Our Chi Sao looked kind of like this and we sparred too. This "one hard one soft" concept is really great. I may have been doing some of that unconsciously, but this really highlights this very well.

As a traditional Chinese martial artist I am a grappler. The important thing is to damage the opponent in Ernest fighting, I don’t care about the ground I can injure my opponent standing, I can do it using gravity as we fall to the ground and I can do it on the ground.

Loved this video - thank you!!

Izzo! another great video... thanks from Dallas

That was great!

Great stuff! Many thanks :)

I was first not sure about your channel, but i think i get the angle where your critique and your honest appreciation is coming from. I on the other hand begin to appreciate your kind of deep analysis of core principles, you have good eyes for the body mechanic details and you got me thinking for the second time after over two decades training this system. So thank you Sir great work!

That is wonderful content 👍

Great analysis 👍

You're right. It's remarkable footage.

Dom , would love to see you use these techniques against someone who is a seasoned grappler to prove the concept. Would be a cool video.

I remember when sifu och taught this to me and now I can’t stop using it!! You are right this is an amazing concept and technique!!

No grapplers were harmed in this video

Great video

All together now: wing chun doesn't have ground fighting! 😂

My Sigung WSL didn’t violate the center line rule in the video. The reason is that his opponent not forcing straight forward. This is just a natural reaction for WSL. In my view, WSL is “asking” his student “why this happens? Why I can hit you?” by chisao.

This is beautiful

Longer the video the better🔥

GREAT!!!! THANKS SIFU IZZO.

can i get a link to the video your viewing

Can you give an example of a Wing Chun Master using it agaisnt a Wrestler and not failing?

are there any videos of examples of this? (like a real fight between a wing chun practicioner and a wrestler?)

Wong Shun Leung was truly a master who understood Wing Chun's effectiveness and how it could be applied in real world combat situations. I'm so glad I started my training in his lineage. The WSL lineage is probably one of the best styles of Wing Chun. And I know because I briefly trained in William Cheung's style and it doesn't even come close to WSL's style. For me, WSL's Wing Chun is what real WC should be.

Sifu! Another great breakdown from you. One thing I don't understand is at 14:00 you mention the JKD people don't understand facing. When I was learning from Sifu Taky Kimura, we always faced and I continue to do so after all these years. I don't see how we could not face and be able to continue that forward energy. We've always referred to it as center line theory. I also don't recall strong side you mention in 13:34. We were always working on being ambidextrous. Regarding one hard one soft, if I understand you, that's like being on/off that I've mentioned to you before in another video. But yes, I know plenty of people that usually go in all hard on both sides. The one thing that I feel JKD people don't get that you mention is angling. It's one of the holes in JKD since there was never any teaching of the forms. This is something I started pondering 10 to 15 years ago wondering why WC people would poo-poo JKD people. That started my journey, like Jin Young to explore and go back to the foundation of JKD, the Wing Chun. Like you mention the lower body doing the work, the things we learn and do translate to all types of athletic endeavors. When I'm teaching my students, I use many analogous references to downhill skiing and dancing since I do happen to do both and I teach skiing as well. Both are movement analysis intensive like what you have a great eye for these days along with energy/sensitivity awareness and proper skeletal alignment. I tell my students how quiet the upper body is and the lower body does much of the work. You made me aware of the term Yu Ma which I've discussed for years but never knew the name. Chi sau is like partner dancing, feeling one another's energy, communicating movement and possible intention. Of course, we don't beat up our dance partner, LOL. It's interesting when you're working with Kevin at 19:23. I'm guessing you didn't use much chum kui and yu ma when you were younger? My thought is seeing how Kevin is pressing forward into you with his bad structure. You could easily tie him up and then use your Yu Ma and turning energy to ground him and manipulate him to either side of you then flank to his blind side, close the body gap completely for your attacks and take downs. When you start working with Kevin around 19:50 and talk about facing, we discussed that in JKD (and present day) keeping on that center line. One thing I haven't heard you mention but I feel you're doing is staying relaxed but with constant intention of going forward. I have some Tae Kwon Do students that are starting to understand the concept but of course, have a hard time doing... for now. Your skeletal alignment is also great with straight spine so your channeling his forward pressure through you to the ground. JKD people don't have that concept, I didn't for many years. JKD chi sau is weak in the sense that it's always been done in a static position, usually from yee gi kim yung ma position, no moving, no angling. In order to take pressure the stance eventually changes to bai jan but no one knows about straight spine and in many instances, sinking down and then using the rising energy like you mention so much. They use counter body weight shifting instead, which by nature what most people do. Mahalo for your enlightening video.

The problem is not bending elbow being 90. the issue is that even under stress the punches are always out of range. So the mind percieves no real threat. Mistakes will amount continuously. Where's the continual engagement. Firstly in reality you can retreat momentarily in hostile situations. It's not retreating your forward force. Forward force doesn't always mean stepping forward. Also, The elbow or collapsed pressure can be obtained once you achieve the bridge 'Kiu' and or the other arm maintains the same line of pressure and forward pressure... Forward pressure can be maintained even if backstepping or more correctly angle side stepping or cross stepping. Footwork is not unidirectional

That's some clickbait! 😅 Karelin! Love or hate - irrespective you are going to get a lot of interest on this video!

Izzo plz use the KZfaq gear wheel feature to open PLAYBACK SPEED to slow it down to your preference and help viewers watch a blow by blow explained.

In the first chisao example both participants are free to initiate movement. In the second chisao example only WSL initiates the movements, giving him a natural first advantage.

I like the videos of sifu Francis fong what he does with his wing chun towards grappling.

I love it. I do wonder tho.. is this how you should teach a beginner chi sao? I could imagine yes since you are "supposed" to learn chum kiu first

Good luck with that

I was taught to Chi Sao like this. I thought everyone did it this way until I started visiting other schools and attending seminars. I was always told I wasn’t doing Chi Sao. I just shrugged and said, “Ok.” I was told I was being too aggressive. Yet I am always empty…then full when necessary. Economy of energy and motion applied. Most schools don’t teach harmonies.

These breakdowns of more advanced concepts are so helpful to better understand why you are doing something and where to go with it. One of the issues I've been having in my Kali training is making sense of what's next, like how to get to what I want, how to better align myself for a more advantageous position, and how to grasp where my disadvantages are. I'm overthinking it but I recognize that lack of understanding. I feel more like I'm flailing than being tactical. Thanks for this insight!

Great vid, especially the break down of WSL chi sao. Easy to forget how well good Wing Chun can work against grapplers, and WSL didn't win all (or all but one, depending who you believe) his beimo fights for no reason. Whilst he had no significant ground game that I'm aware of, he certainly knew about stand-up grappling. By way of example, he once asked me to put him in a standing armlock of my choice several times at a seminar in around 1990, and just slithered out each time even though I was about a foot taller and much stronger. I've also tried to take down Sifu Clive Potter (WSL UK representative) to no avail on many occasions. One day.....

SLOW MOTION on KZfaq: You can do frame-by-frame with the "period" character to go forward, and the "comma" character to go backwards. It's a little slow but for this type of analysis might be useful.

One hard one soft is a concept and principle that’s also in drunken fist

Did you made a comment about Sifu Sergio? I would love to know your opinion about him!

And Sifu Francis Fong Same!

Hey I’m pretty new to your channel and I’d love to see some sparring

seeing this break down of my lineage is pure great... the video where u gets exposed really gives me a laugh lmfao...

Exactly, Royce Gracie. Demonstrated how easy it was to take a wing Chun guy down and dominate them, and they were being extremely respectful,,swapping some techniques with Samuel Qwok, Sadly at least at the time Samuel was still in 80’s and 90’s Major unrealistic demonstration of techniques, where it w was. ‘You do this straight punch and then freeze in time while I do all these techniques on you and of course you just let me do anything to you because that’s what you’ve been asked to do, most 80’s and 90’s gyms were stuck in that unrealistic d demonstration of how a technique is strong work., The Gracie’s helped to show finally that the old, pretty ridiculous looking back at it, way of practicing techniques while your opponent just stands motionless is just so far from reality that in good gyms it’s just a relic of the past, You can thro all kinds of excuses for that style of teaching and some can be valid as long as the student is always led to understand that , that kind of demonstration for what ever reason , has no bearing onhow the technique would. be employed in a real situation, which I only ever. go to gyms that practice techniques that have been shown to work and are practiced in varying degrees of reality, so that eventually in a real situation you can actually use the techniques , Yes the Gracie’s showed how easy it was to Samuel qwok to take a wing Chun guy down and I think there’s a video we’re he actually controls with ease and actual kung fu fighter , that. Could actually employ his technique and was actually fighting fit..

I had some wing chun at the Chinese restaurant the other night... delicious! However, when I went to the ground, I found all the tips left by previous customers. I then became the godfather of cha ching martial arts 💰💰💰

Does the hard and soft concepts allow you to take center on people who have equal skill as you like the guy from indy wing chun? I think you clearly have more kung fu than the guys in the video. Sometimes that allow us to get away with collapsing. I like the general idea of hard and soft in chisao that you are going for.

Better tell the wing chun guys in China who keep getting destroyed by MMA guys. Flat footed, standing square ,chin up,linear movement you can keep it.

Sprawl!

Interesting. You say this is 100% anti takedown content and yet not once in this video did I see Wing Chun used to stop takedown attempts. Correct if I am wrong but I did not see it. Also comments that it is a complete system. I am wondering how it defends an arm bar or rear naked choke. Or an ankle pick in wrestling.

Any advanced grapler would eat any wing chun fighter alive... Experience beats technique, and experience in combat, full power sparring is all what a wrestler do...

YOUR RIGHT! MY EXPERIENCE WITH JKD, IS THEY DONT KNOW WING CHUN, THEY MIMIC, BUT DONT UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE AND PROPER USE.

i have seen several fight against judo and jujitsu, and any other standing fight martial arts never gets close to them because once they close the gap they all lose instantly. these ppl were just not normal ppl, they were olympic athletes with few gold medals. so i wonder how wing chun would do against them.

Looks pretty weak. I'd take any of them on with Judo and I think they don't stand a chance

The only thing that works against a grappler is a better grappler.. particular styles are irrelevant on the matter.. since no matter how you call it, grappling is just grappling.. and it’s universal..

Not one single takedown attempt in any of the footage you're showing. Certainly great chi sao on display... but nothing here that will prove your point.

Wrestlling is bestvat wrestlling simple

This is definitely bullshido.

Lol. When you get used to roll it out for five minutes, that chisao is like... Not too useful But it's a question of you get distracted and the point is focusing but relaxed. About "chi sao, ppl believe it's the real fighting" , nope. 🤔 I mean. There's chi Sao drills since siulimtao, and sparring when chum kiu, cause of footwork learning, then start Muk yan chong, and sparring. People training with competent sifu, I presume that's the key in any martial art or combat,/defense system.

Izzo, my teacher liked your video and your way of looking at things! He really does not speak English, but he looked at your facial expressions!))) He could tell you a lot of interesting things about all these wing chun masters! The Chinese have a steak falling out of their mouths from laughter when they look at what is happening in the wing chun market))))

all I see is bad chi-sao 🤷🏻‍♂

Nowhere in combat fighting is sensitivity needed except in close range knife - again - wing chun is a military cqc combat system - they where assasins , nothing else. Strange people don't think - to bad for business? Read the history, go for thaiboxning , open hands when it comes to real world combat fighting, not WC.

One hard one soft? Who invented that. It's yin yang, positive and negative energies. Why do people change the names?

"Everyone has a plan until they get ass kicked." I only believe something when they perform their so-called techniques under pressure against a solid fighter. Now, let's talk about your thumbnail. Omg. Man. It is one of the Wrestling monsters. Even the prime Yip Man can not beat him using his advanced Wing Chun. Indeed another wrestler who knows Wing Chun might be able to use some Wing Chun once he negates the Wrestler's Wrestling techniques using Wrestling. There is no anti-grappling at all. You can not do anti-grappling. You just grapple only. That is it!

Came to see how WC works against grappling and this guy is just pushing magical thinking. Man, learn a bit of BJJ first.

I’m still waiting for how wing chun is good against grapplers…ok so u stand with them and then if u go to the ground then what? Training in ground and stand up is superior to just one or the other And no art works if you’ve never pressure tested it and trained it You see all These kung fu “masters” in China being easily defeated by MMA fighters Cuz these masters have never really fought anyone that isn’t complying with them

It's already been more than proven that it doesn't work.... just go and see the fights done with mma boxing karate, tae k...etc...as soon as they get punched they fall apart and run around trying to get away with it, sorry but it's the true😔

First: MMA is a sport Second: WCH is not Third: karate and many other MA systems got both standing and grappling plus floor fighting chair fighting throwing techniques, name it. Everything is useful and sometimes necessary. But nothing works for everything. You think karate (standing up techniques) does not work for sport fighting? Ask Lyoto MACHIDA and many others. Now take a boxer used to fight with gloves to Dublin and make him face a huge mother fucker angry Irish used to fight bare knuckle every night on a street cause he doesn’t like people or your face, most probable result: boxer dead. Do you feel me? This kind of debate is nonsense. Though interesting to watch. Makes me see how out of reality some debaters may be. Theorizing is speculating. That’s all it is. With my due respect, like someone said: “everybody’s got plans until they get hit in the face”. And all this a humble opinion in a still “free to talk” world.

Royler Gracie has already proven that any stand up fighting techniques won't work on grapplers. Wing Chun is no different. It's only being pushed like Bruce Lee is super human. But he's not. It's over rated because of movies.

Most of wc is plain garbage

allways bait them take a hit to end it respect from wales uk

The big problem with wing chung is the total lack of proper sparing and the thinking that chi sou is sparing chisou is for building sensitivity only it does come close to real combat, ps i have been teaching wing chun for over 30 years

JKD doesn't get it because that's not their point. JKD is basically MMA for real combat (war) and for uncontrolled situations whether it be on the streets or prison, that's it!

ip man did not pass everything on to his students, many of them show wing chun for the crowd and do business! Yip man showed the spring a little to Donald Mack, even explained it, but did not teach it)))));)