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@beccaf2626 ай бұрын
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@Guro-Blue-kun6 ай бұрын
Yes, was about to comment this. @@beccaf262
@CommanderDarcy6 ай бұрын
Bro noooooo Hello Fresh is super unethical (to say the least) with their employees and is anti-union
@DragonitaPurple6 ай бұрын
What other have said too. There's many controversies with hellofresh including worker exploitation. It's not a good look.
@alw12176 ай бұрын
nope, that's not the one
@claramiqo76916 ай бұрын
Shipping real people has always weirded me out. Fictional? Sure. Go for it. They're not real. But real people? No. Just....no.
@MissCaraMint6 ай бұрын
Yeah. It’s one thing looking at two people and going “ you know I think they would hit it off if I introduced them”, but quite another to be so invested into the lives of real people that you actually ship them. That is just so uncomfortable and gross.
@Lemoncakelover6786 ай бұрын
And it's between a grown adult and a teenager too so it's extra gross
@underbakedbeanie6 ай бұрын
I’ve never really liked shipping real people either. It’s just…icky to me.
@claramiqo76916 ай бұрын
@@Lemoncakelover678 Seriously! Like ugh! x.x;
@claramiqo76916 ай бұрын
@@underbakedbeanie Like if they consent to it? Cool. Otherwise? Just don't.
@TotalFreakZoid5 ай бұрын
"But she's underage!" "She won't be for very long!" *physically retches up my lunch*
@SleepySloth27052 ай бұрын
She's literally the female Onision
@Pleasetiemyshoes6 ай бұрын
given i grew up with Lily; i can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no Tara. Tara started as a 14 year old that lily made up saying she was raped by someone in the trailer park who was convicted and she had gotten pregnant by the rapist. She "wanted lily to raise the baby" yet nobody ever saw either of them. There was also no convicted rapist of a 14 year old in the trailer park There was no Tara, there was no baby, ever. Lily also claimed "tara" had an older brother and younger sister both of which she was "sexually involved with"
@danielcouturier856 ай бұрын
I watched your vids on Zena and Poppy’s channel. Very eye opening. (Hi from a fellow Canadian)
@prettyevil66620006 ай бұрын
There's some definite interesting psychology behind the made up family. The hero complex and narcissism involved in wanting Lily to raise her r-baby. The fetishization of both r-word and incest. And using Tara's account to push Lily's romantic partners to engage in NSFW activities with Lily that they are otherwise not comfortable with. Very highly sexualizing this underage girl and using her as a mask to make her a-b use seem less direct and also safer due to the age. Some definite crap to unpack here. Would like to know more about this Tara if only to unpack it some more.
@WobblesandBean6 ай бұрын
So, this would have been _before_ she transitioned, yes? She sounds like this kid named Logan I went to grade school with, he lied about *_everything._*
@thunderflare596 ай бұрын
That's quite a laundry list of fetishes.
@joethehero26 ай бұрын
How could Lily get pregnant? She's M-to-F.
@sgsummerisle6 ай бұрын
"I would have never expected someone who made my little pony and Steven universe videos..." oh my sweet summer child xD
@AerynKDesigns6 ай бұрын
lol right? Rule 34.
@Renkencen6 ай бұрын
@@AerynKDesigns Not just that but the whole shitty controversy drama from those two shows!
@sgsummerisle6 ай бұрын
@@Renkencen YES! Especially on Tumblr, the Steven Universe discourse was WILD and so bizarre... And of course MLP is just freaking wild.
@Renkencen6 ай бұрын
@@sgsummerisle I was a former brony so nuff said about the drama. SU on the other hand, while I liked the shows but thanks to the fandom, I refused to aknowledge the shows as in bringing it up in a conversations about cartoons! I know it's not Rebecca Sugar and her team fault but still, I will never forgive the fandom for what they did to that artist for drawing Rose "thin" and GashiGashi!
@sgsummerisle6 ай бұрын
@@Renkencen I saw a totally serious thread about how shipping Lapis and Peridot was wrong cause Peridot (a thousand, million?) Year old gem was "child coded" so it was the P word, and then they said even if that wasn't the case shipping people with a height difference was problematic because there's an inherent power imbalance. Guess I have to divorce my husband because he's too tall 🤣 That rose shit is bs. I love the fat rep in SU and am a fat person, but get a life people, it's fan art. You don't have to like it.
@van_codes6 ай бұрын
calling contrapoints a terf is so wild lol
@morphingfaces6 ай бұрын
For a while she was throwing non binary people under the bus and friendly with buck angel a gender essentialist and transmedicalist
@SpiritOfMontgomery6 ай бұрын
Mental lmao
@cidevant0026 ай бұрын
She also called EssenceOfThought a terf.
@bobtheball53846 ай бұрын
That's hilarious unironically
@lavenderteadreams6 ай бұрын
I mean no one ever uses the word "terf" correctly anyways. People literally call Evangelical tradwives and right-wing anti-feminists terfs, calling a trans person a terf isn't any more crazy than that imo.
@cjboyo6 ай бұрын
Please never blame yourself if you have trouble enforcing boundaries and someone pulls this shit. I STRUGGLE to communicate my needs. Recently my partner realized I’d been doing something (non sexual) for them that I truly didn’t want to be doing. I had never said anything because I struggle with people-pleasing. You know what their response was? To try and figure out how THEY could help ME feel safer with communicating my boundaries and to APOLOGIZE for not realizing. Not to blame me for struggling with this. THAT is how a loving partner reacts
@flamiaminu55366 ай бұрын
Exactly. I'm so glad you have a supportive and loving partner like that
@777Rowen5 ай бұрын
Glad you have a loving and supportive partner. Check out the book Not Nice. It helps with people like us who struggle with people pleasing.
@Sassayyyyy4 ай бұрын
This is so rare 😢
@777Rowen4 ай бұрын
@@Sassayyyyy Even if that were true, the fact that it even happens at all is a bigger issue here. ✌️
@mikalcarruthers6 ай бұрын
I think this video should be titled, "Why Lily Orchard is garbage." I never even heard of this woman until now
@DystopianOverture6 ай бұрын
Or like her Steven Universe video title 'Lily Orchard is garbage, and heres why'
@devinsauls91376 ай бұрын
Oh I get it. As a jab
@mikalcarruthers6 ай бұрын
@@devinsauls9137It's a jab towards Lily
@Kimmaline6 ай бұрын
Who stole the title format from HBomb
@devinsauls91376 ай бұрын
@@Kimmaline She WHAT?! 😱
@jvever49046 ай бұрын
The fact that Lily Orchard accused Rebecca Sugar--who is Jewish--of being a nazi in her original Steven Universe video is literally insane. And the fact that she was transphobic to Rebecca for being nonbinary in the same breath is so fucking hypocritical. I'm not surprised she's an even worse person past that.
@thanglongnguyenvu38156 ай бұрын
Excluding the whole Lily Orchard thing and if Rebecca was a nazi or not, wouldn't being Jewish kind of...irrelevant? I never understood that. Let's say someone Jewish acts and talks like a Nazi, wouldn't their heritage be irrelevant?
@samgeorge14526 ай бұрын
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 I mean yes, technically, a Jewish person can be a Nazi if they hold Nazi beliefs, but given the whole history with Nazis and Jews, you really shouldn't throw out an accusation like that lightly at a person who would've been killed by the Nazis.
@alexanderhunt886 ай бұрын
I think transphobic for nonbinary is a bit of a stretch.
@kyleinthejar68296 ай бұрын
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815It’s the fact Rebecca is *not* a Nazi that’s relevant here. If Rebecca truly was spewing Nazi ideology, then yes, it would not be distasteful to call it out. But she wasn’t. Lily didn’t apply the word appropriately, she used it as a weapon against a Jewish creator. It would be unacceptable even if Rebecca wasn’t Jewish, but the fact she is just rubs salt in the wound.
@TheDizzieC6 ай бұрын
She never accused Rebecca directly or being one, just said that Rebbeca is not very critical of them, or seems to push the idea that Nazis can be forgiven.
@CainXVII6 ай бұрын
I do NOT like that she named it Stockholm, I live there. Can I sue for defamation?...
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
Yes absolutely and also emotional damages
@MissCaraMint6 ай бұрын
I live in Norway. Is that close enough to join this lawsuit?
@talloncusack6 ай бұрын
It’s probably inspired by/referencing “Stockholm syndrome” to be fair- as an American I can tell you that’s probably the association people have with the word almost more than the city itself- but…yeah, the implication makes it even more disturbing
@SuperEasywalker6 ай бұрын
@@talloncusackWell Stockholm Syndrome stems from a hostage situation located in Stockholm, the city, in which the hostage started to identify with the criminals.
@SugarbirdyOvO6 ай бұрын
@@SuperEasywalker And, from what I've heard, Stockholm Syndrome isn't even real, the police involved with the initial situation made it up because they failed to do their jobs and used a fake condition to invalidate the woman's protests against them. Quite fitting for the story it's named after, if that's true.
@katherinealvarez92166 ай бұрын
I really do not understand this lady's hatred of Rebecca Sugar and ND Stevens.
@olive926 ай бұрын
bitterness and jealousy
@bumblebeeproductions16736 ай бұрын
Just 1% valid criticism, the rest is just bitterness
@eh-reelytel47786 ай бұрын
I got swept up in the hate train from her video that I thought Steven Universe was bad.....but then after a long while I realized, wait no it's not? I love that show, fillers and rushed plot lines and all
@D_YellowMadness6 ай бұрын
@@bumblebeeproductions1673 Exactly that.
@Kimmaline6 ай бұрын
Yeah, that was weird. The whole, "here is proof Rebecca Sugar, a non-binary person, is definitely coding anti-enby propaganda into the show," arc was kinda wild.
@StCrimson6676 ай бұрын
Lily has been allowed to run free on the internet for years simply because Lily has maintained a reputation for creating massive harassment campaigns against ANYONE who calls out her toxicity or even glances at her in a way she doesn't like so it's very refreshing to see that people online seem to have finally gotten over that fear and are now calling her out because I, no joke, attribute at least a portion of a lot of the drama in certain spaces online to Lily's fanbase and the type of behaviour that she's modelled and proved cover for. Lily is the proto-typical example of someone who is just rotten and toxic to their core, someone who has hurt everyone in their life, someone who has destroyed everything they've loved, and will not stop. She has had thousands of chances and has refused all of them. The only option left is to turn her name just as poisonous as her, so that no one will ever be unaware of her ever again.
@EliMfGen6 ай бұрын
i think you're taking the internet a bit too seriously
@1791071999996 ай бұрын
sounds like pokimane fr fr
@noctap0d6 ай бұрын
@@EliMfGenI think you're not taking it seriously enough.
@Drift_Potato4026 ай бұрын
@@EliMfGen Let's put you in her victim's place and see what happy to your opinion.
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
@@Guciom Her. As toxic as she is, she's still a girl. Or is Oprah Winfrey a man too?
@stabothegremlin6 ай бұрын
"Brittany wasnt playing world of warcraft fast enough" My friend who was drinking coffee: *slow turn lowering her cup* 🤨
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
Idk why it’s so fun for me to know people were watching my video together 😭
@stabothegremlin6 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkov She really likes your accent and your vids, we watch it in the background while we hang out ♥
@ananon35606 ай бұрын
MMO players be like:
@alexv33725 ай бұрын
Is it that deep? No
@alexistisby16016 ай бұрын
She needs to be investigated hard that’s just scary not everyone needs to be a creator. 😐
@mikalcarruthers6 ай бұрын
And not everyone needs to be around children either. I'm so sick of these creators using their underage fans for their inappropriate content. It never ends
@OdaSwifteye6 ай бұрын
He
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
@@OdaSwifteye Nah, she. Just as much a girl as she is toxic. We don't need to be accusing Ellen DeGeneres of being a man, do we?
@Iris_aftercut6 ай бұрын
@@OdaSwifteye🫵😂
@worthybutter20045 ай бұрын
@@OdaSwifteye Whatever.
@Magikalic5 ай бұрын
Rebecca Sugar: makes a cartoon for children about solving conflict through interpersonal communication and empathy for others Lily: anyway, this person's a Nazi
@beneil25 ай бұрын
"she" don't know what Nazi is at all.
@catsaremyfave13 күн бұрын
@@beneil2Why is the word "she" in quotes? Also the proper word is "doesn't"
@beneil213 күн бұрын
@@catsaremyfave ok "she" doesn't know what Nazi is at all!
@catsaremyfave12 күн бұрын
@@beneil2 Why is the word "she" in quotes?
@beneil212 күн бұрын
@@catsaremyfave I hate the fucking CREEP ok.
@Osskiar6 ай бұрын
Wild to see Lily being covered by people who aren't in fandom spaces. I've known of her since the MLP days and I'm glad other audiances get to know how messed up all this is
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
Ikr. Funny seeing non bronies talk about her. It’s refreshing honestly.
@hollieBlu3036 ай бұрын
I think it's awesome that the degenerates in fandom communities are no longer safe from the wider internet. Best move the commentary community have EVER MADE is calling out these reprobates. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside - in a non-furry way. No hate....just not a furry, lol 😂
@SoundlessDreamer6 ай бұрын
For clarification: Yes, you can ask yourself questions and have the anonymous filter on. [To the tumblr question]
@actual_corpse5 ай бұрын
The way the anon asks are worded and written.... Kinda sus... Some of the anons Lily responds to sound like she's talking to herself
@TheBanishedWind4 ай бұрын
Just sucks they login-walled asking in general.
@futurestoryteller6 ай бұрын
In the video "Violence is Golden" Lily made the claim that violence should only be used as a last resort, but that the death penalty is "obviously right" and shamed "Avatar: The Last Airbender" for not going all the way on it. I pointed out that not only is Airbender for children but that realistically speaking, kiling someone, who is defeated and already in captivity, no matter how atrocious their behavior, is nakedly not using violence as a last resort. Because this is logically irrefutable she didn't even bother to respond. She deleted my comment, and blocked me from her channel.
@antonakesson6 ай бұрын
I mean to be fair Superman the Animated Series got away with having an episode end with a mobster getting fried in the electric chair so I think Avatar could have gotten away with it if they where clever enough. It is just that Lily's point is crap anyways XD
@futurestoryteller6 ай бұрын
@@antonakesson I still feel the need to point out that the man who's killed on Superman is executed by the state, and not by the hands of the protagonist. Which is the issue here. Since Lily's argument was that Aang taking Ozai's power away and imprisoning him was "not far enough." Having the state execute a mobster on a children's show is... a bit unusual, but it doesn't constitute an endorsement. On the contrary: since it's clear Superman would never kill anyone.
@ananon35606 ай бұрын
People who complain about Aang not executing Ozai are guilty of forgetting 2 things: it's a kid's show, like you said, nonviolence ought to be modeled, and 2: the "last airbender" part of the title, Aang's the last one of the culture of pacifists, he feels the need to live up to that ideal
@futurestoryteller6 ай бұрын
@@ananon3560 True. He explicitly comes from a pacifist culture. It's against his nature and his education to kill somebody
@bluemariomedia83516 ай бұрын
Let not forget, For ozai, it a fate worst then death. He a man of pride so, imagine after taunting the avatar for being weak. The avatar first, anticipate his sneak attack. Then took away his power. Finally his son who he exile inherent the throne. He been humiliated at all level and for men like him will destroy them at their soul. He beg to die with dignity but instead he must live in shame.
@PaintSplashProductions6 ай бұрын
Yeah, as an old fan of her's from her pony days I can tell you Lily is kinda infamous not only in that fandom but just the cartoon community in general. There's an unspoken rule about just not talking about her especially when her fanfictions were found. Though I will warn you in advance, don't be surprised if she makes a video or a thread about you where she makes up lies to look good. She's done it before and she'll do it again
@marzemarcel95296 ай бұрын
Using the word "canon" for real life is WILD😂😂
@godslaughter6 ай бұрын
It is wild. Also, it can be really funny if you use it properly. That part is definitely a non-issue
@Quaxo215 ай бұрын
Ww3 is not canon
@marzemarcel95295 ай бұрын
@@Quaxo21 yet
@AudioAlure5 ай бұрын
@@marzemarcel9529Shit
@F1areon4 ай бұрын
fwiw the term originally came from Bible discussions, so it has some use IRL :P
@sterthester7366 ай бұрын
I used to watch some of her content. It took me a while to realize just how horrible and bad-faith her takes were, and it took one severe misunderstanding of the point of an MLP episode and a view of actual writers roasting her 'writing tips' in a video. Aand then I learned about some of her actual atrocious actions years later... I'm glad the information is reaching more people in a way that more people are likely to actually watch due to it being more condensed.
@foxtoons19996 ай бұрын
What MLP episode was it?
@sterthester7366 ай бұрын
@@foxtoons1999 Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep. The entire episode was about Luna's mental health and her internally punishing herself to a degree where it begins to affect the people she cares about and was on the verge of becoming physical harm, but was still entirely within the mind and nightmares. Lily of course decided this episode was somehow making self-harm a "quirky lovable trait!" or some bs. The entire POINT was for her to accept help from the people around her before it got to the point of physical harm, yet Lily decided it already was physical from the start. AKA she had no understanding of the actual message, which was a good one for kids that I don't think kid shows usually tackle.
@Parasolhyena6 ай бұрын
To be fair those same writers disregard those tips when they like a show. Heck Star vs basically followed their most hated "tip" writing from Lily's video: Writing with no idea where the plot will go. Then they twisted in circles to explain why it was good in Star vs, it was good in neither.
@primrosett6 ай бұрын
@@Parasolhyena genuinely who cares
@Leinad00016 ай бұрын
I think that's the same time I started to realise
@SaiScribbles6 ай бұрын
26:47 You can absolutely send yourself anonymous asks on Tumblr so always take their legitimacy with a grain of salt.
@rosenrot2346 ай бұрын
Its always so fucking funny when someone forgot to hit the anon button and reveals to everybody they're talking to themselves
@felinefatale93365 ай бұрын
You can send yourself annons but more recently, you need an account to send annon asks
@itsmia65215 ай бұрын
i adored your video about her
@mrholmess2 ай бұрын
i just love that the last videos i've seeing about both steven universe and lily orchard you were in all of them XD. love your artstyle and videos btw
@princekyle413221 күн бұрын
Having conversations with yourself online is so weird 😭
@leviathan82156 ай бұрын
I’m sorry she called Contra points a terf? Contra points is trans! That’s ridiculous
@MrJimmyTide6 ай бұрын
She called a Jewish creator a Nazi sympathizer.
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
And Lily is also trans. That’s why it’s doubly funny 😂😂😂.
@lacathouille6 ай бұрын
Calling her a TERF is not as unpopular an opinion as you think in the community (at least on the site formerly know as Twitter), with all the deradicalization stuff years ago, slur use, and all that
@liveangel936 ай бұрын
She also called Ethel Thurston (Essence of Thought), another trans woman, a TERF. I can't say for sure that this is a pattern of Lily's behavior, but it might be.
@AryTehCapricat6 ай бұрын
she calls anyone who criticizes her a terf. she uses her transness as a shield.
@TheDanishGuyReviews6 ай бұрын
"I was not expecting someone doing videos on MLP and Steven Universe to be accused of such horrific things." Since I know at least one Brony in jail for grooming, and a mob of Steven Universe fans driving a fan to attempt self-deletion over fanart they didn't like, I was totally expecting it!
@no-thanks-to-you4 ай бұрын
Paraphrasing a meme but the fandoms for properties like 'Heckin Wholesome Indie Quest: It's Okay To Cry: Gaiden' are always like this lmao
@entransify22 күн бұрын
Clarification on the SU fandom thing: she herself said her unalive attempt had nothing to do with that. she was in reality dealing with a ton of transphobic crap in her own household.
@whiteraven5626 ай бұрын
thank you for making this! I've seen whispers about her being trash but all the videos are like 2-hour long marathons. It's nice to have a condensed version
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
Glad to help!
@justingraves86496 ай бұрын
Same... I don't have the patience.
@whiteraven5625 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkov I would like to apologize for the rude comment I made
@TehFoamy6 ай бұрын
She's like a living incarnation of the most extreme and exaggerated aspects of Tumblr 💀
@Nathan-rb3qp6 ай бұрын
He
@costelinha18675 ай бұрын
@@Nathan-rb3qp She! Someone being an asshole is no excuse for you to be transphobic towards that person.
@Dragonmongamer3 ай бұрын
She’s more like Twitter personified
@TehFoamy3 ай бұрын
@@Dragonmongamer I mean yeah you're not wrong
@x__thesickest63886 ай бұрын
She cut off Britney because Britney said Steven Universe is better than MLP
@cheesebread36 ай бұрын
Oh my. Lizzy’s testimony is just gut-wrenching. I truly hope they are in a place of healing now.
@witchylizzy60244 ай бұрын
I am, don't worry :D And thank you!
@NovaDragon6 ай бұрын
So as someone who has been in the brony community is its a 50/50, you can find the most shy but amazing people who are wholesome, but on the flip side you get power hungry dictators who will abuse anyone and everyone they can who have 0 empathy. Brony fandom is a nice community heavily tainted by these people who relish in power, this is why the perfect community can't exist as if everyone was nice and polite it make it all too easy for someone to take control and become corrupt with zero push back.
@XenoJehuty846 ай бұрын
Fandom is always going to be a coin toss. You can find yourself in a section of that fandom who is awesome, but two other sections are complete A-holes, but those four past yander are cool as cucumbers. The best thing to do is find the people you get along with and stick with them and be open to fellow like-minds, but also be ready to gatekeep when creeps come a prowling.
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
And that's why I considered myself a moderate fan even back when I watched the show.
@biscuitygudness6 ай бұрын
i got into a spat with her on tumblr a handful of years back because i gently criticized her calling sheldon bigbangtheory "good autistic representation". even that was enough to get me lightly harassed for a few days so i can't imagine trying to come forward with allegations this serious without support... thank goodness people spoke up and this information is spreading.
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
I always had an issue with Sheldon's Messiah Complex. By which I refer to his genuine belief that his intelligence makes him *_see_* his fellow humans as monkeys but *_interpret_* the sight as them being goldfish. Just... gah. Even at my worst, I never sunk that low. Or lower.
@dante_09626 ай бұрын
Is she going even autistic or a good reason to claim that? Or is it like that writing “advice” where she had no idea what she was talking about?
@lxmesoda6 ай бұрын
@@TheBanishedWindthats not autism thats being a egotistical brat
@witchylizzy60244 ай бұрын
I'm sorry she did that. And I'm also glad to have had people listen to me
@justingraves86496 ай бұрын
Others that use alt-accounts: Creepshow Art; iiluminaughtii
@inkblooded10586 ай бұрын
I was about to say, I can't imagine how someone can be worse than illuminaughtii or Creepshow.
@JordanDragonAs6 ай бұрын
Johnny Silvestri Ukulele woman(I'm never saying her name, Lia( she will never be named otherwise)
@inkblooded10586 ай бұрын
@@JordanDragonAs Oh no no, horrible person. But there is being horrible and then there is... like, being a comic book supervillain.
@blueizumi6 ай бұрын
@@JordanDragonAs THE TOXIC GOSSIP TRAIN
@mikalcarruthers6 ай бұрын
@@blueizumi AW HELL NO! Don't remind me of that annoying ass song again
@maneruloquendero6 ай бұрын
Lily: "I never wrote Stockholm" Internet: "It's right here. It says "By Lily Orchard" Lily: "...That's another Lily Orchard" That's basically Lily's response to the Stockholm controversy
@willamcars12 ай бұрын
Its fucking wild to cus she refrenced it all the time in "season 1" of glass of water. Hell, the video "mommydagio = alicorns" is all the proof you need just from the title! Its a direct reference to the fics!
@oakenshadow67636 ай бұрын
Josh was in a relationship at the time, I'm pretty sure. He is now married to the person he was with, and has kids. WTF? Lily is just messed up.
@LotusMoon6 ай бұрын
What’s wrong with that? He seems to be doing great as a husband and father
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
Yes. Josh and Ari are married and have a twin son and daughter. I’m happy for them. And yes, Lily is garbage. No surprises there.
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
@@LotusMoonyes. He does amazingly as both.
@slayeroffurries11156 ай бұрын
@@LotusMoon are you illiterate?
@LotusMoon6 ай бұрын
@@slayeroffurries1115 uh no…should i be?
@BlackReshiram6 ай бұрын
Not my girl vangelina just dropping us straight into the lily orchard pool without kiddy floaties
@darklordsatan43836 ай бұрын
23:45 "I wrote a book" Bruh, Lily, your book doesn't make that stuff okay IRL wtf 😭 Is George RR Martin supposed to come out here, doing the stuff his characters do in the book, and then excuse it with "but you loved Game of Thrones"?? Edit: IT GETS EVEN WORSE???
@katharineeavan97056 ай бұрын
I think the part she as using as her argument was "and you all thought it was lovely", basically saying "you liked this fictional underage character getting it on with an adult so clearly you don't actually think it's wrong in real life" as if people can't and don't make clear delinations in what they consider acceptable and enjoyable in fiction vs reality
@darklordsatan43836 ай бұрын
@@katharineeavan9705 I mean, yeah, it's very clear she doesn't understand what is reality and what is fantasy. That's kind of what I was calling out. But she is at the same time trying to gaslight others into thinking her view is the normal one, when it just isn't. Any rational person can read the Game of Thrones series without thinking it would be okay if the author started acting as immoral as the characters.
@D_YellowMadness6 ай бұрын
That "just shipping their personas & not the real people" excuse will never make sense in any situation & using it will always be a self report. If it's a real person's persona, it's based on a real person.
@Parasolhyena6 ай бұрын
I agree with you but then there were youtubers who leaned into the shipping, they actively made content directed towards those fans. I still find it beyond strange but seeing content creators lean into it was even stranger.
@D_YellowMadness6 ай бұрын
@@Parasolhyena Yeah, I can excuse it when the creators themselves encourage it but even then, I still find it awkward & think it's unhealthy.
@Andarthiel6 ай бұрын
Lily's behaviour sounds a lot like that of a narcissist, I knew someone just like her and that person was utterly horrible and impacted my mental health severely to the point where I ended up at hospital with an anxiety attack. There is only one solution with such people is cutting contact completely and blocking them on all social media and their phone number.
@AnOkayDogDad6 ай бұрын
I hope you're doing okay now..
@Andarthiel6 ай бұрын
@@AnOkayDogDad Thanks, I am after cutting all contact with her (this was back in 2015-2016)
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
Am now praying that you're doing OK these days.
@aidenhynes22556 ай бұрын
you,,, started MLP fanfiction with Lily Orchard??? That's certainly one of the decisions of all time
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
That’s literally the first fan fiction of anything I’ve ever read 😭
@Pinkiechu926 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkov I'm not a fanfic writer or reader..... But there are certainly better content out there than whatever Lily Orchard has said/made x_x A lot of the mlp fandom dislike her
@LotusMoon6 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkovpersonally I never read anything from LilyOrchard but I hear it’s best to stay away.
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
Girl, that’s not a good place to start for pony fic. No. You poor thing.
@aidenhynes22556 ай бұрын
@@VangelinaSkov You're missing out on an insane treasure trove. Trove of some of the best works of art I've read? Trove of the most depraved people I've had the misfortune of learning the existence of? Yes
@lupitaochoa10086 ай бұрын
ew. she did unspeakable things to her sibling.
@axelburkhardtАй бұрын
I've just read up on this and I'm absolutely shocked. I knee Lily was a shit person but this takes the cake. And the fact that I've BARELY seen people talking about it is absolutely fucking insane.. Her comment sections are all literally echo Chambers bc I've seen nothing about it there either..
@entransify22 күн бұрын
even more messed up is that they both were victimized by their older half-brother. Lily essentially went from victim to abuser just like that.
@DavidDumbedDown2 күн бұрын
@@axelburkhardt Because she blocks anyone who goes against her
@DavidDumbedDown2 күн бұрын
10:38
@DavidDumbedDown2 күн бұрын
I accidentally put blocked
@downbeatdialga13416 ай бұрын
Lily doesn’t realize standing by the video where she claimed Rebecca Sugar is a nxzi because they tried to redeem the Diamonds in SU, is equivalent to her writing that MLP filth and thus making her a supporter of preds. It’s hypocritical. If you’re gonna talk that way about someone else, you should be willing to hold yourself to the same standard, and shouldn’t be surprised if people question you in the same way.
@maddiemare50936 ай бұрын
Glad to see more content creators talking about her. She's been getting away with this vile behavior for years, it's so frustrating!
@ihave28diseasesapproximate515 ай бұрын
lily orchard hates steven universe with a passion because all the romances between the characters in the show are between two consenting adults who aren't siblings LMFAOOOOO
@dxitydevil4 ай бұрын
☠️ ☠️ ☠️
@Catnap_0-02 ай бұрын
LMFAO
@princekyle413221 күн бұрын
Literally 😭
@punky_brewster74026 ай бұрын
Honestly I am so happy that someone who exposed lily is finally mentioning Courtney’s story
@JohnSmith-uk6wh6 ай бұрын
Lily always left a bad taste in my mouth, even before I knew of her crimes. She was always rude and vitriolic to anybody who didn't share her taste in media, and she basically never had anything positive to say about anybody. She comes off as incredibly arrogant and condescending at all times.
@Al17016 ай бұрын
I have a question. Is the ex who said Lily wanted increasingly explicit artwork the same one she would constantly bash in her videos for a few years claiming her to be abusive and intolerant? Because if so…oof.
@NexLegacyAccount6 ай бұрын
Yeah. Yeah she was.
@g-coalitionbrother17295 ай бұрын
Yes. And she's also the same one Lily and her current inner circle stole the Orchard last name from.
@witchylizzy60244 ай бұрын
Yup! That's me alright!
@carnelianfox50106 ай бұрын
For better or worse, I remember her. The vitriol being the first and only thing some people know about her doesn’t surprise me, but Lily Orchard is just a deep, dark hole into an Eldritch abyss.
@tydahl28196 ай бұрын
... She's made so many long videos about exposing creeps in the community... I just thought she had anger issues, that's why I stopped watching... God, this one hits a little harder for me than other people we've seen crumble, I watched her come out and get together with her fiance.... I've submitted real fan art and reviews to her, this breaks my heart.
@NexLegacyAccount6 ай бұрын
You have no idea how much I appreciate this vid. So far you're the first person who has dug this deep and not shied away from it. Those of us who have known her worry for the people close to her, and the fans who follow her. There's a lot more evidence of her grooming audience members and dating them (or trying to) when they become legal adults. - Britt
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
Thanks for saying that! I’ll probably end up doing a part two going more into the stuff I missed here
@DoorsToHideBehind1566 ай бұрын
I haven't seen the word sheid written before, it looks like it's spelled wrong. I had the same issue with the word suid, like the lawyer suid, but it's actually sued.
@youtubeuserremainsanonymou90226 ай бұрын
I have seen zena and poppy handle this topic. They go quite in depth. How popular is Orchard? I only hear negative references to her, but nothing of value. Is this the algorithm not showing me her as she is popular to a younger crowd?
@LaliEx20235 ай бұрын
I love your lipstick color
@RiddleLeech7774 ай бұрын
Ngl, Lily is also a hypocrite due to one of the videos about shipping siblings when she has legit written fictions involving said ships. She is quite a fine one to talk. 😒🙄
@dxitydevil4 ай бұрын
Ong thats why a lot of her arguments aren’t worth much
@user-is7xs1mr9y6 ай бұрын
Let me guess: she cut off her friend because she spilled soda on her favorite MLP plushie. Edit: dang it. It's still equally as dumb and petty.
@amandap77335 ай бұрын
Your guess reminds me of the sweater from My Immortal.
@Wolfdog24166 ай бұрын
This is wild. My ex boyfriend was (and probably still is) a huge Lily Orchard fan. He practically worshipped her. I mean OBSESSED. Some of the things he did to me that led to us breaking up were very similar to the things Lily was doing to her ex. It’s so gross to think he was picking up on her patterns of behavior. He interacted with her as much as possible across all social media.
@juzahyodo5 ай бұрын
vangelina posted a video responding to the accusations brought forward by eot - before coming into the comments, i’d suggest watching it and coming to your own conclusions once you have heard out both sides.
@amberdawn8686 ай бұрын
I'm so glad to hear more people spreading the word about Lily and her actions and the accusations against her. I used to be subscribed to her, and after I stopped I found on Tumblr so many stories and reports and accusations made against her--including many with receipts, and including the multiples posts her sibling made--and I can't believe she's gotten away with so much crap for so long. Like... The awful Stockholm fanfic is probably the least bad out of the entire list.
@peepysprite6 ай бұрын
I want to point out as someone who was actually there: even though the _image_ of bronies was that of cishet adult men, _most self-identified Bronies were actually underage LGBT boys with developmental disabilities._ Fictional underage on its own isnt a red flag but when you are writing for an audience of _children, specifically children with a disability that makes them both gullible and not understand the difference between stories and real life,_ while using actual real-life ped0phile apologia, furthermore in a setting where CSA is a recognized harmful crime punishable by law, *then the fic is functionally a grooming tool.*
@ratgurl16 ай бұрын
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@KingKrouch6 ай бұрын
The way you word it, I think it's a bit strange to be making smut based on a children's cartoon.
@peepysprite6 ай бұрын
@@KingKrouchstrange isn't a crime or a sin
@neoqwerty6 ай бұрын
@@KingKrouch May I point you toward the prodigious amounts of Transformers smut (you can even filter for JUST the saturday morning cartoons for kids if you want to keep the comics out) of all configurations. Rule 34 isn't just a joke, it's basically an inevitability.
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
@@KingKrouch Even if said smut exclusively features adults?
@ouchiegiverjr4 ай бұрын
It’s insane that psycho has a following, Lily threw Joshscorcher under the bus and that was proof to me they didn’t care about anyone.
@is_just_diana6 ай бұрын
Vangelina had a boujee moment reading ✨️garbage✨️
@VangelinaSkov6 ай бұрын
Lmaooo
@Prince_Of_Fish6 ай бұрын
"I wasn't expecting someone who makes videos about My Little Pony and Steven Universe to be accused of such horrible things." Many are unsurprised, I assure you. Those are some difficult fanbases to want to be a part of.
@Cbawtam5 ай бұрын
It’s so disappointing that people didn’t even let VS (Vangelina) respond first, just straight up accused her of Ableism and Transphobia. Over a genuine misunderstanding that VS has now explained. And it’s interesting that now it’s been shown that EOT was trying to extort VS and was threatening to destroy her career that these same people aren’t apologising?
@smokun286 ай бұрын
I don't know how it is in America, but in Europe - yes, you have to provide a scan of your ID to watch age restriced content. that or VPN
@Oh.its.multiple6 ай бұрын
Was about to say this. Had to do this 3 years ago before I could properly watch age restricted videos, let alone get KZfaq premium. ETA: I'm also from Europe, the Netherlands to be specific. Maybe it's indeed just a regional law thingy?
@steampunk-llama6 ай бұрын
It’s the same here in Australia, which tracks given a lot of our privacy laws are v similar to the EUs
@wolfetteplays88946 ай бұрын
Literal big brother moment smh.
@AnOkayDogDad6 ай бұрын
They should apply this to America too for sure
@Clownacy5 ай бұрын
A browser plugin works too. Screw VPNs.
@cookietoonam1166 ай бұрын
I've gotten to the point where I think people use their mental health as an excuse to get away with things without facing any consequences.
@purpisfulnanogetic42515 ай бұрын
Yes
@BevyMulroy6 ай бұрын
I've paused the video to make this guess. I'm guessing that Lily cut her friendship off with Brittney because she was jealous of her. Edit: UNBELIEVABLE!! Wow!! Chick has some issues. I have friends that I game with and have NEVER got mad at them!
@LoreTheRacoon5 ай бұрын
I had an experience in her discord when i joined a patreon call and started talking with sketchy. Lily tried to talk over me then got pissed when sketchy told her to let me finish. She got super quiet and responding to everyone to the point Sketchy just sighed and was like "Not again" then she abruptly ended the call. That was a big final straw for me, only after did i find out about all of the other gross stuff with her.
@Nathan-rb3qp4 ай бұрын
He
@kirara25166 ай бұрын
It surprised me to know that not only had I watched some of the vids you first mentioned. (The Korra vid) but I was actually subbed to this person! Keyword "was." Thanks for your work in sniffing out dangerous people like her. It'ssaving many of us who might be following them blindly, like I was.
@Kenshin63216 ай бұрын
"I was not expecting someone who makes videos about My Little Pony and Steven Universe to be a groomer" - well, that was your first mistake right there.
@SeinIshamiado6 ай бұрын
Not all lgbt people are groomers.
@Kenshin63216 ай бұрын
@@SeinIshamiado lol I didn't say that were, you made that assumption all on your own. In fact, I didn't even mention anything about LGBT, I was only making fun of people who watch My little pony and Steven Universe lol. You said the quiet part out loud, not me.
@SeinIshamiado6 ай бұрын
@Kenshin6321 I watched mlp and SU and I liked both shows. But hey. Doesn't mean I have to go around hurting people. 🤭
@moviemaestro8006 ай бұрын
Adults enjoying kid-friendly media shouldn't be seen as a red flag, since it isn't 99% of the time.
@Kenshin63216 ай бұрын
@@moviemaestro800 ...that's the joke.
@David_the_Psalmist4 ай бұрын
When I first encountered Lily, I was excited to see someone rip into Legend of Korra. I realized pretty quickly that I would surely disagree with her on moral and social issues *a lot*, but I didn't want that to get in the way of having a good time at Legend of Korra's expense. Then I paid a little more attention and started thinking, "okay... this person might actually be a dangerous psychopath, politcs and personal choices be damned." Lo and behold...
@tzvikrasner60736 ай бұрын
Essence of Thought has a 7-episode playlist on Lily. They started detailing Lily's behavior two years ago, and the PDF is insane. There is apparently also a video game featuring potential CP of the MLP characters.
@oliviaclove45826 ай бұрын
The fact that I watched her while I was in middle and high school while all of this was going on still messes me up. I’m glad that people are finally talking about her on a larger scale cause this has been going on forever now it feels like
@lista23086 ай бұрын
I have a feeling that Lily named the story not after the city but after the syndrome
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
And you’d be right on the nailhead with that.
@Psnrspxb6 ай бұрын
So it's been a long time since i used tumblr but you can make multiple accounts super easily and so she could have made one to ask the question to answer it.
@bails1616 ай бұрын
This was such a common thing on tumblr back in the day! I remember a few bigger accounts being exposed for sending themselves questions to try to improve their image.
@Psnrspxb6 ай бұрын
@bails161 Yeah, that's what I thought, but like I said, it's been a long time, like almost a decade so I didn't want to definitely say she did.
@maddieb_996 ай бұрын
oh yikes.... i've never heard of this person, but holy crap 😨
@maddieb_996 ай бұрын
also, i hope none of the kids in her audience ended up sending her anything.... i can't even imagine
@DanDaMiniFig6 ай бұрын
I'm gonna guess lily cut brittney out because she couldn't handle a conflicting opinion of someone close to her WORLD OF WARCRAFT?? pitiful
@bakaichigo6 ай бұрын
I actually used to watch Lily back a long time ago, stopped when I once tried to make some artwork for a contest and didn't understand how the website or whatever submission process was worked. There had been a note that the entrants needed to provide info for payout incase they won and was not sure where to put it so I stuck that info in the only place I could easily see... 😆Got roasted for it, which normally wouldn't bother me, but she was so rude about it I just said "meh, I'm out" and never went back. I've been roasted for plenty of mistakes before, ribbed by people who are tough but ultimately mean no harm... That was not the type of (short) roast that I got. It was sad and the artwork itself was entirely uncommented on, I was played off like I was greedy when I hadn't even put anything other than the info I had thought was requested. I certainly wasn't expecting to win? Anyways, that was the only negative thing I ever had from Lily, probably because I wasn't that deep into any sort of viewership and hadn't heard anything at the time. I did hear later that Lily had said something about Contrapoints being a TERF, though, and wasn't sure it was true. Big yikes, I love Contra's content and there be no TERF there m8s. :x
@NewKira166 ай бұрын
Might be time to unprivate my video on her...
@cheesebread36 ай бұрын
Yea!
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
Yes
@TheBanishedWind6 ай бұрын
Go for it
@LushQueenPersonal6 ай бұрын
OMG my first thought in this video was, "I love her effortless style makeup with a red lip" and then you reference it at the end. YES, I love it, mad respect for anyone who rocks a red lip with confidence! It's such a good look, I love it.
@AllisonMiller306 ай бұрын
I’ve often said that the people you’d least expect are the people most likely to be the worst. Like, how sometimes the loudest feminist actually hates women.
@someonedraws10836 ай бұрын
28:50 - that part is partially true, only in europe though, which is why youtube treats me like a kid in my own country because I certainly won't share my ID with them... I doubt all of her audience is european, however.
@velentr6 ай бұрын
Thank you! I just had a minor panic attack believing I had been scammed😂
@bhunt7993 ай бұрын
For all the people that talk about how bad Doug Walker is, I always point to Lily Orchard, MisanthroPony or EDP as a KZfaqr that’s a worse person.
@R0NYFL0NY3 ай бұрын
Doug is just kind of a bozo and at worst negligent, a lot of the stuff regarding the Jewwario situation was totally outside of his control.
@Wiggimus6 ай бұрын
9:18 Okay, I'll guess. 🤔🤔🤔 Lily got mad at her friend because the friend wore a nail polish color that Lily didn't like. I have no idea, so I'm just going wild with my guess lol
@Wiggimus6 ай бұрын
Damn. It was over WoW? If I had a dollar for every time I've heard about one WoW player getting mad enough at another WoW player to cut them out of their personal lives, I'd have two dollars. Which, granted, that's not a lot of money, but it's really weird that it's happened twice lol
@lucylinia86946 ай бұрын
I don't read much if any of the MLP fics, but the ones I have read were pretty nice. They usually had wholesome stories and plots, with a lot of fluff and maybe a little bit angst. Things like a human waking up in the MLP world with no memories of their previous life, no cutie mark, and having to learn everything from scratch, making friends all the while.
@rsj28776 ай бұрын
Yeah, actually like i got an unironic interest with making a Oc pov fic similar to what you describe.
@dotthepixieking6 ай бұрын
A long time ago I got curious about Lily's writing since she had such strong opinions on it so I read through Lily's self-insert comic in pokemon world. It was... weird, there were a lot of parts that rubbed me the wrong way, but in the end, I thought "Everyone has some shitty fics they made, it's just unfortunate her's is open access". The second this video got to the sister part, my head had alarm bells going off as it reminded me so much of the comic. And now I just feel gross ;w;
@SageDarkwind6 ай бұрын
With "friends" like Lily, who needs enemies.
@dii47416 ай бұрын
Former tumblr user here! You could indeed send yourself anonymous asks. That's how people used to farm engagement sometimes or get their opinion out in a faux-organic way that didn't seem like a random rant
@dantevalehuntik286 ай бұрын
I was an active fan of Josh when the whole Lily Thing happened and it super fucked up seeing him talk about it all
@CreativaArtly6 ай бұрын
Ikr. She treated Josh like garbage. Watching his videos on her just made me hurt for him. Also she shouldn’t even have that picture of him in the tub, the hell? That’s always grossed me out. It’s absolutely disgusting.
@333Rich336 ай бұрын
@@CreativaArtlyI think the picture of Josh in the tub was from a skit he did during one of his reviews.
@TaraxOfficial.5 ай бұрын
Edit: vangelina responded to essenceofthoughts claims with a video that lays out her timeline of development and brings up concerning points to that put Ethel’s video in a new light. I no longer feel confident in the essence of thought video or Ethel’s claims. Would love to hear where you heard about and researched this topic
@ThePopo5436 ай бұрын
"I never expected someone who makes videos about MLP and Steven Universe to be accused of such horrific things" First time on the internet, eh?
@blaisecomicsartist53163 ай бұрын
Okay funny thing but when you mentioned people getting around the adult restrictions on KZfaq I did that when I was about sixteen so I could watch videos that were age restricted. It was anime content for the most part and I laugh about it now. Honestly though that’s what happens when your parents don’t really understand the internet.
@davidlevy7066 ай бұрын
I didn't think that _Steven Universe_ was for me either, but it turned out to be so much more (and so much better) than I'd anticipated. Please try watching a few episodes!
@rosenrot2346 ай бұрын
I remember not being super hooked until you first see Opal
@EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle6 ай бұрын
Felt weird when you went into a tangent about immoral fiction. Lily's behavior is abhorrent, and her writing and drawings just makes that behavior even worse, because she shows little to no boundary between the two. That said, fiction that explores taboo or immoral topics isn't inherently a reflection of the moral values of the artist or the reader. And no, you're not going to end up on any watchlists for looking at it lol.
@Nathan-rb3qp6 ай бұрын
His
@EdenNeedsAYoutubeHandle5 ай бұрын
@@Nathan-rb3qp Eat shit.
@Pleasetiemyshoes4 ай бұрын
what Lily wrote is CSEM in the country she lives in. she made and distributed CSEM by the laws of the country she lives in. ITS A FEDERAL CRIME whether you agree with it or no
@darkwitnesslxxАй бұрын
Aren't we talking fictional horses here? An adult horse is 3 Years old. I have not read this fiction, and won't, but I think you''h have a hard time proving its illegal even in Canada. Also since writing fanfiction is by far the least of things Lily is accused of, that focusing on it almost seems like minimizing the real horrid shit he's done. He allegedly assaulted his sister, and you are worried about ponies. That kinda gross imo
@GantaaOhime6 ай бұрын
"Multiple attempts to enforce my boundries" YIIIIIIKES
@datguy35816 ай бұрын
Prior to this, I had just watched the Korra vid. It rubbed me the wrong way. There was so much lying and misrepresentation in that video but oh my god is all this so much worse than just some dishonest media takes.
@jediMidgitTricks6 ай бұрын
She's mad cuz her friend wrote a story with her as the main character and used her real life attributes and the character was garbage and everyone hated it. Ah damn, I was way off
@nimanom71285 ай бұрын
what's your response to accusations of plagiarism of this video specifically?
@juzahyodo5 ай бұрын
she just posted a response
@riblaglaunti17195 ай бұрын
They're bullshit.
@grimori_6 ай бұрын
You mentioned it not being true that an official ID or credit card information is required to verify your age on KZfaq. I would like to say that in Australia, where I am from, I am required to input either a government issued ID or credit card information in order to view age-restricted videos. I don't think all countries have the same requirements for verification, but I can confirm it does require that information where I am.
@samh23405 ай бұрын
The only way writing a book about a 15 y/o running off with a 30+ y/o isn't sus is when it's explicitly about how that isn't a healthy dynamic. Like I'd read the hell out of a book where the 15 year old realises what's going on and leaves the adult. But I'm heavily suspecting that's not at all what lily wrote.
@ThePixelatedWarrior20085 ай бұрын
Me reading the comments on this video and seeing so many people jumping to conclusions just like Essence of Thought:
@lxmesoda6 ай бұрын
"these are all alleged" >shows receipts of lily's tumblr >shows stream clips of lily admitting some of the thing sin the video >mfw
@judgmentalanimal4 ай бұрын
I remember offhandedly mentioning Lily Orchard to a friend. She had no idea who Lily was so she looked it up. Her expression slowly shifting to horror as she read everything Lily allegedly did will forever stick with me. (She was also horrified by the sheer AMOUNT of things Lily had allegedly done)
@firesonic23Ай бұрын
The pokemon retrospective gives me a physical headache.
@Drift_Potato402Ай бұрын
That one has got to be rage bait. Like I get having different opinions, but her opinion ON LITERALLY EVERYTHING is the opposite of everyone else's. It's actually impressive how much shit she said in that video. My favourite part was her thinking that calm mind Gardevoir is this game destroying monster and it isn't a major competitive threat because no one (other than her and her galaxy brain) has bothered to try it.
@UnderdarkTrans3 ай бұрын
Honestly, if Stockholm was the worst thing Lily had done that'd be...fine. Like, you can say it's nasty as hell, but fundamentally it IS just a story about fictional characters doing fictional, fucked up things. It's honestly kind of disgusting that people try to conflate it to be just as horrible as the real, ACTUAL damage she has done to real people. No matter how nasty something is, writing about it is NOT on the same level of harmfulness as ACTUALLY DOING IT.
@TakashiDemonServant6 ай бұрын
I really hate Lily orchard I did saw the fanfic that Lily had a part in, it was disgusting to me.( I’m part of the Steven universe fandom, a few things she said about the show sounded like she was projecting onto Rebecca Sugar).